The San Francisco Call. Newspaper, January 22, 1899, Page 2

2 THE SAN FRANCISCO CALL, SUNDAY, JANUARY 22, 1899 FULL STENOGRAPHIC REPORT OF THE INVESTIGATION. DAY OF INTEREST BEFORE THE COMMITTEE Proceedings of the Investigation Enlivened by Strong Tes- timony. Bulla's Name Was Brought Im by the Statement That Money Had Been Offered for Second CALL MENTO, HEADQUARTERS, Th SACRA- tee of cor special in at 2:30 in the Assembly chamber, with six members present. Wade. as usual, was the absentee. The following is a verbat “eedings Mr the committee Mr. Anderson ave him ation 1t to recall remember 1o not something member just you_were on he other day? nd the S of your tes: had a con- cour: } n ) a Vi Benjam! answer it is here, is that “I at that consideration that was ow, do 'you, Mr. . while he didn’'t thority to gh the co was the impl m {t? tion. ation that he was willing— advance money to you have thing waid said conv the rs this > e understanding t that st in his directly to v with nd n regard to the financial part, Mr. had th n his office—isn’t it 1s8ed with him_abou would b Well time . Gree: ther ing about it? ). He id not ask you about that at all? A. Not that I know of. 1 did not try to enter into discussion with him at all, be- cause 1 want to discuss the ques- tiop wit 2. Did nt to discuss it, then, at u also testifi sation of Mr. n Green tried to do there wi ou that Mr. Perkins— ‘s s r Perkins wanted Mr. Grant to his candidacy? , also at the me time, in the said t he wi will- ou i your election? ; 1 not make any direct prop- osition to you—did he?—at t time, that he would assist you in this election if you would vote for Mr. Grant? y t is he did not express A: No, sir—no; tha it 'In_wprds. I know didn’t make any direct proposition of that kind. to draw your inference. A: Yes, sir. Q: There was no such statement. of any sugh trade us that, made by Mr. Green? ted. u do not £o state now? All you did was P Q. How often are Sometimes twi ou in San Francisco? a week; sometimes once a week. ui, gu you know Mr. Herrin? . No. sir. Q. Did you never see him? A. Never saw him, to the best of my knowledge. I never saw him to know him; wouldn't know him if I saw him now. Mr. Bacon—I do not think I desire to cross-examine the witness any further, and probably it would not be seemly in me. The chairman—Well, Mr. Anderson, from what language or incident in con: nection with that interview— The_witness—What interview do you mean? Q.¢Under discussion in this examination. A. Mr. Benjamin? Is that right? The chairman—Yes, with Mr. Benjamin. Q. Did you ]draw the inference that you ed to? he made—I guess I will have S réler A. Well to tell the whole business and make a connecting therewith: Mr. an attorney in Vallejo and un once in a while—Falirfield is count; at—on busine: Whether he was at my office once or ce T can- not say. He may have dropped in there casually. But at this time he came to see me. My private secretary, who attends to all my personal business and corre- spondenc r. Hilborn, was in the room and was excused; and he came in there and sat down and commenced to talk, and told about people that he had seen and then went on to tell that he .thought My, comes the Grant would surely be the next United | States Senator anu that Mr. Green had told him that if I needed any money up there that I could have some in my dis- triet: and 1 immediately most positively and emphatically told him that he, know- ing me as well ‘as he did—my reputation as T thought it was understood—should have told him that such a proposition would not be entertained by me. But he went on to say that he had been in our igation met this afternoon | You | o 1 to the witness 1 tleman will | > ask Mr. An- unless the vou re- | v whole | 5 the im-| Choice Votes by His Friends. | county con\‘e*m and that he thought | T was under so®e obligations to him an that if Mr. Perkins—it was Mr. Perkins' wish that Mr. Grant should be the next | Senator from the south—and that if_Mr. Grant was the Sepator Grant and Per- Kins together could have a new office stablished of United States Deputy Dis- trict Attorney and that the office would be given to him. Now, 1 am merely relating what hap- pened.’ This all occurred at the same con- versation, and the inference was that he wished me to vote for Mr. Grant for that purpose, to t him, and that this money would be given to me to assist me. I wish at this time to say that in this matter 1 have no personal feeling against Mr. Grant. 1 honor and revere the name of Grant as much as any American citi- zen does—his father—and that Mr. Grant, personally, at any time that he has been brought or introduced to me—I have never gone to him myself—has acted a perfect gentleman; and Mr. Perkins, it is not my belief that he—that is my belief—that he directly tried to influence any one. The chairman—Mr. Perkins? A. Yes; because after the election I personally met Mr, Perkins on the street here one day In Sacramento and I only talked with him a minute or two— Bacon—This thing, it seems to me, is_assuming the character of argument. The chairman—And eulogy. The witness—You asked me where T | got that inference. 1 am trying to tell you that the inference was givén me that Mr. Perkins and Mr. Grant desired tha | that anot consideration would position for my acquaintanc | Jamin, and that ‘was all re the same time as the conversation ahout the mon That is where I got that infer- The chalrman—At the time you met M; Green in his office In Ban Franelses afir: | the incident that you have mentioned wherein you met Mr. Benjamin in your nf_xu‘-: w‘:t.\ ark\':' reference made to the conversation that y 's ponvel you had had with Ben- ® _And, as T remember it, 1 in San Francisco_once first, ed a card from Mr, Green, and 1 recelv and I had that in my pocket when I went. i r e thing over with | my private secretary. and he told me that i <‘:9 wondered why Mr. Green wanted to see m home, and I talked t supposing, of course, that my tion had been reported to him, » said maybe somebody else was t to get money from him on the supposition that it ‘was coming to me, and he thought it was but just that I i form Mr. Green that I did not want any money, or not to pay any to anybody else on my account. ‘And the next time that T got a _card from Mr. Green 1 went up to office and told him in as few words as possible. | _The chairman—You thought it was pos- | sible somebody was trying to sell your | vote to Mr. Grant? % | A. Yes r. { . Well, at that conversation did Mr, Green disclaim any responsibility for what had been said to you? A. T don’t think that T went into the matter in detail. As I remember it, it was | Just casually mentioned. 1 wanted to | inform him that nobody had any authori- | tv to speak for me, in"any way or man- ner. Q. What did Mr. Green say, if anything, with reference to whethe:r anybody had authori to speak for him? A. Well, T don't remember of uim say- ing anything. The chairman—Has the committee any- thing else to ask? Mr. Bacon—I want to ask the gentle- man question, and call his attention to 2 question on page 110 of this transeript, in which the following question is asked and answered “And at this interview in Green’s office, was anything said Green or yourself as to the fact Benjamin had seen you and con- h you on that proposition?’ And ferred the answer to that is, “I really don't re- membe Now, you remember it. . I say, as near as I can state 1 was called in there before the com- | mittee without any thowght about the matter-—-as near as I can remember it was rred to. remember this question be ing d, which is following, “Don’t you remember that the Ineldent occurring in the Suisun office was referred to in the { n\|_w sation in Green's office?” Answer, No. 3 A. 1 believe I do. | Q- You so testified then? A. Tt was only casua]l{ referred to. | Q. 1t was only casually referred to; that was all? Now, don't you remember that was not referred to at all? | | | | A. It is my remembrance that it was | cas: v referred to; yes, sir, Q. Now. then, Mr. Anderson, you say that in this conversation with Mr. Ben- jamin—you give details of that conversa- tion here to-day that you did not give before, in which you say that Mr. Ben- jamin said that if Mr, Grant was elected to the United States Senate there would | be an extra office created and that he would be the beneficiary of that office, No hould not your inference have been | that Mr. Benjamin wanted you to vote for Mr. Grant because possibly he might get something out of it? Waould not that have | been a fair inference? A. If he hadn’t talked about this money | —and that he came from Mr, Green. | Q. That is right; but answer my ques- | tion: Would not it be a great deal fairer “ln{eronclfl that Mr. Benjamin wanted you | to vote for Mr. Grant because he would Hw able to get some employment out of 2 A. Weil, my inference was that they were working together. ¥ Q. Will you answer my It too? A. Why, of course I got an inference that he was interested. Q. Wil you answer my question! TIf vou did not infer from that that he would | like to have you vote for Grant because if you did and Grant were elected that he might get to be Deputy District Attorney? A.d! 8ot an inference that he was inter- ested. Q. You won't answer my question, will you? A. I have answered it as near as I can. Q. Will you answer it “yes” or ‘no” whether you got such an inference as that? A. Repeat your question again. Q. The question is this: DId you not get the inference from your conversation with Mr. Benjamin that he wanted you to vote for Mr. Grant because if Mr. Grant were elected he would secure employment in the way of an appointment as a Deputy District_ Attorney or the office that you ment{orll}d’! SR A. I have got an inference, yes, alon with the other. y’ . Q. Yes, you inferred that? A. Along with the other one. Q. Now, Mr. Green, in your conversa- tion with him in his ce, did not say anything about Mr. Benjamin being Dep- uty District Attorney? A. No, sir, he did not. Q. It was not referred to? A. No, sir. | . Q. Did not say anythi: jsznln's n;plrauon at all question: ,ubout Mr. Ben- . No, T, Q. In fact, the conversation that you A had with Mr. Benjamin was not referred to by Mr. Green especially, so far as you say, anything about the details of what that conversation was? A. If it was referred to it was merely casual—just that this coaversation was had with him and I wanted him to un- derstand that there not any money needed there. £ Q. Now, this testimony that you have given in answer to the questions by the chalrman is to show to this committee why it was that you drew the inference that you testified to the other day — is that it? A. Draw your own inference from the testimony. Q. Draw m%‘ own inference from the testimony ? vell, you can answer my question. You have given this testimony, and, as I understand it, is is for the pur- pose of showing to this committee why you say vou got the inference that you @id in your testimony the other day, is it ot? A. I have related the whole incident as I then did. Q. What for? What did you relate it 8 for? You related it in answer to the uestions put to you by the chairman, idn’t you? A. Yes, sir. Q. In which he asked vou what the cir- cumstances were that caused you to draw this inference? Isn't that true? And then you related those circuristances? A. Yes. If you want my secretary I will be pleased to get him, or if you want any gentleman that Mr. Benjamin talked with, The chairman—Were these conversa- tions, any of them, in the presence of any other person? A. Not directly; but my private secre- tary was excused from the room. Q. He was not present, then? A. No; but he knows what was said after he left. 3 The chairman—Mr. Mellick, there is a matter that I desire to call your attention to. Unless your motion to reconsider the matter of the issuance of those subpenas the other night is pressed, those subpe- nas will be ordered. T Mr, Mellick—What subpenas, Mr. Chair- man? The chairman—There are the subpenas, as I remember them, for M. H. de Young, Willlam F. Herrin, John D. Spreckels, C. 5. Lamberson and Judge Wylie. That Wylie matter, 1 think, is altogether su- perfluous, but the Lamberson matter I think is of some consequen iy Mr. Mellick—Take them up separately, cannot you? Take the Lamh(’r!an case. The chairman—In the case of Lamber- son, to reconsider that I hope the motion won't be pressed. Mr. l\lrl‘l‘lckf! will withdraw the motion as to that. The chairman—The clerk will issue a subpena for Charles G. Lgmhergnn of Visalia. How about Mr. de Young? Thus far the history of the committee has been that anybody that asked for a subpena has got it—has got it on rumor or what- ever it was. My own feeling, gentlemen of the committee, is this: That we ought not, probably, to have been as free in that matter as we have been in the past, and that the same amount of frecdom should not be taken in the future. Mr. Lardner—I feel that the time is about to come when the taking up of every ‘idle rumor, without the name of the party is given, should be discontin- ued. That is how I feel about it. If the person will come forward and give the name and the place of the conversation, So we can Dbe reasonably sure of some- thing, it would be different; but mere idle rumor and a refusal to give the name, I view that with some reluctance, with some doubts. Mr. Mellick—Do you refer to the Lam- berson case? Mr. Lardner—No, I do not. 3 Mr. Mellick—I just want to say to put myself on record in the Lamberson case— I want to put my statement this wa Personally 1 think it is absolutely usele to send for Lambersgn, but if the rest of vou wish to send for him, send. “ Mr. Lardner—State your reasons why. Mr. Mellick—For the reasons that Mr. Bacon's statement to this committee was {hat some person whom he could not re- member had said that Lamberson said that Mr. Cosper said someéthing. Now, then, that is the reason why I don't think that he shouid be‘visent for. i Mr. on—No, I_did not say a; “ngr, )?:CMEIHFK. I don‘t think you had better discuss that any more. Mr. Mellick—It is none flll your business vhether I discuss it or not. wi\"‘l?nh Bacon—All right. I will tell you what I sald, then. Mr. Mellick—Well, say it. \ Mr. Bacon—I will. What is the use to rehearse that? 1 do not care to adver- tise that thing any further, Mr. Mellick. It is in the record what I said and what vou said, and there is no use taking up the time of the committee discussing it. Mr. Mellick—It is none of your business whether I take up the time of the commit- ee or not. : §lr. Bacon—I guess that is true. Go on and take it up. : ”;\(ilr. MellicKCAs 1 say, T just simply put my protest in, and if the rest of you want him, why, all right. 5 Mr. La Baree—I think it is settled in re- gard to Mr. Lamberson, and probably in fegard to these other propositions, think, after this—and I make the motion to this effect—that if any more accusa- tions are made they be in writing. I of- fer a resolution to that effect. The chairman—I do not know how the committee feels on that proposition. It strikes me like this: The word “accusa- tion” is a strong one. I do not feel as if it ought to be incumbent upon this com- mittee to insist that a written accusation should be made before a witness is sent for to prove anything; but if a man comes forward here and in writing states cer- tain facts that he expects to prove and gives the names of the individuals by whom he expects to prove them, it seems to me that ought go be as strong an ac- usation as we need. 5 Mr. La Baree—Well, then, T amend my motion to that effect, The chairman—Is there a second? Mr. Lardner—I gecond the motion. The chairman—Then I will state the guestion this way amd see if you agree with me upon it: It js moved and sec- onded that henceforth when we call wit- nesses by issuance of subpenas it shall be only upon a written statement of the matter expected to be proved, together with the names of the persons by whom they expect to prove those facts. Are there any remarks? Mr. Mellick—Don't you think it would be well to pu that thing in writing in the case of Spreckels and Mr. Herrin and Mr. de Young? The chairman—I do_as far as I am per- sonally concerned. You ask in regard to_me—T am only one. Mr. Mellick—Mr. Chairman., I can see some reason why we should have Mr. Herrin and_Mr. Spreckels—] mean Mr. Herrin and Mr. de Young—a little reason in it, by reason of that same Call article saying_that our Speaker had gotten $500 from Mr. Herrin, although I think it ought to have been brought up here, con- necting Burns with it, or something, but the committee has overruled me and is going to issue the subnenas anyhow. But in the case of Spreckels we haven't any statementshere that he knows anything in the case except that Mr. Burnett stated the other day that Leake referred tosome higher authority knowing something, and thought that must be Mr. Spreckels. Mr. Burnett—Mr. Chairman, as I under- stand it, subpenas to those gentlemen are already issued. and they were simply held over to give Mr. Mellick a chance to— Mr. Mellick—And I moved a reconsidera- . Burnett—What on? . Mellick—On issuing these. . Burnett—All of them? . Mellick—Yes. . r. Burnett—Now. your own statement in regard to Herrin and De Young is sufficient to subpena them. That very charge—that very statement that Mr, ergh: had gone to Mr. Herrin and asked for $1200 but had secured only $800, that is sufficlent, entirely sufficient, so far as those two are concerned. The chairman--7 agree with Mr. Mellick that there is sufficlent ground to subpena Herrin and De Young. Gentlemen, are there any further remarks upon the ques- tion? 1 will say to Mr. Melllck, in that connection, that your motion to recon- sider would not be in order now, until this is disposed of. Mr. Mellick—What is the question? The chairman—It has been moved that henceforth when subpenas are to be is- sued they are to be issued only upon a written statement setting forth the facts that the person cailing for the subpena expects to prove, together with the names of the persons by whom they expect to prove them. _ Mr. Mellick—Now, Mr. Chairman, will that. a ply_to members of the committee as well? If we want, or any member of the committée wants to subpena any- body, we write it out and file it with the committee? The chairman—Yes. with the clerk. Mr. Mellick—Well, I am in favor of that understanding. The chairman—The point you make is this: That we are not to take all these idle rumors, but if a man had a rumor strong enough, that he has faith in it sufficient to say here: “I want a John Doe subpena.” setting forth the facts. Mr. Mellick—That is all right, because it will give any member of this committee a chance to file that, and consider it, in- stead of ;zom%' off, as appeared to me the other night, In issuing subpenas in this y. L the motion was put and declared car- € Mr, Alden Anderson—Do I understand that there is no denial -f the fact that morey was offered to me, and that it was absolutely refused? A member—That has not been denied. Mr. Anderson—Then there is no use for me to summon any corroborative testi- mony. Mr. Bacon—Mr. Green admitted that he offered you money. Mr. Anderson—Then it will be unneces- sary for me to do so. — C. E. WASHBURN TESTIFIES. C. E. Washburn, being duly sworn, testified as follows: The chairman—Mr. Washburn, where do | you reside? A. kfis Angeles, Cal. Q. What is your business? A.Tam a newspa{\i’r an. Q. In what capacity are you & news- paper man? A. I am telegraph editor of the Los An- geles Times; at present acting as legisla- tive correspondent of the Times. Q. Have you with you the paper in which the charge is made in the Los An- feles Times concerning the offer of $3000 or a_vote for Bulla? A. No, sir. I thought I had it, but I find in going through my pockets that I have lost it. .]Q. Do you know of any such transac- tion? A. I was told there was an offer made for a_vote for Buila. | Q. \-,Vh"e did that conversation take place? A. In the Assembly chamber, to the | best of my recollection, last Monday | morning. | Q. In whose presence? | A. Myself and the gentleman who gave | 1 me the information. Q. You were alone together? Q. Then what did Belshaw say? Mr. Bacon—I think, Mr. sellick, that ‘would be entirely hearsa Mr. Mellick—Belshaw is a member of the Assembly. The witness—If the committee will per- mit me, I think the better way would be to put Mr. Belshaw on the stand and let him state what he heard. Mr. Mellick—His statement would be corroborative, yes. The witness—I am willing to furnish the committee with any information I have. Q. What did Mr. Belshaw sav to you about the matter? A. Mr. Belshaw said that he had a con- versation: with Mr. Dale, in which he ask- ed him whether any offer had been made to him, and Mr. Dale stated that some financial offer had been made to him. Mr. Dale had told him? 0 DA na socal ohoat it bel $30007 5 e speak about eing $3000? A. He did not. . Q. Well, then I do not see as there is anything secret about it. A. T don't understand that there is any- thing secret about it. The story, as I am informed, has been told to at least two Assemblymen and possibly one or two outsiders. I simply request that the com- mittee do not ask the name of my in- formant, the man who gave me the In- formation. . Now, what was the conversation that you had with your informant? A. I went to him before the Assembly .met and sat beside him in the seat, asked him if there was anything new in the sit- uation, whether there was any prospect of a change in the votes, and while I do not recall what he said in that respect I think he made the statement that he did not know of anything. Then he said to me, he say “Jimmie Copeland has been tr: ing to get me to vote for Bulla.” I sa “Yes?' He says: ‘‘Yes, he came to me on the street and asked me if I was ab- solutely tied up, and I told him no, I did not understand that I was tied. Then he said, if such was the case to not make | any promise, or words to that effect, but arrange to vote for Bulla for second | chotce.”” Mr. Meliick—Did had heen offered §: A. This gentleman did not make that statement to me. Q. Did he any amount? ‘What inducement did he or words to that effect. he say to you that he 30002 Sl(vm ol T S 1, ACCORDING TO HIS OWN TESTIMONY. A. Yes, sir. Q. So others were not in hearing? A. Yes, sir. g . Q. From whom was such an offer said to come? A. From a party named James Cope- land, understood to be at one time an at- tornéy, or something of that kind—some relation with the Southern Pacific Ralil- road. He is now a practicing attorney in Los Angeles City. Q. Has his office and business in Los Angeles? A. Yes, sir. Q. To whom was such offer made? A. A member of the Assembly. * Q. A member of the Assembly—which member? A. 1 would prefer, Mr. Chairman, that you wouldn't ask me that question. While anything that I might relate, I under- stand, was not given to me in absolute confidence, still, as a newspaper man, I think the gentleman is entitled to. some consideration from me, and T believe that the statement has been made in such a way that the committee can arrive ‘at the name of the Assemblyman without my slVing the information. R Q. I presume the committee would be willing to let you off on that proposition if you put us in the way of learning it in any other way. If you can do so, you may do it. A. There is a gentleman of this com- mittee, Mr. Mellick, who claims té have the information as to the source—as to my authority. Mr. Mellick—I was just gunning a bluff on you, Mr. Washburn. [ The witness—Don't run bluffs on me. Mr. Mellick—Was Mr. Dale the man? A. 1 must request that the committee do not ask me the direct name of my in- formant. I hardly think it is proper for a newspaper man to betnfly a confidence, even If it is not requested— . Did Mr. Beishaw talk to you in re- gard to the same matter? A. I have talked with Mr. Belshaw in regard to the matter and he has tola me practically the same story. . Then, Putnng it another way, did not Mr. Belshaw speak to you about it being Mr. Dale? A. Mr. Belshaw said that he had a con- versation with the gentleman with whom 1 discussed this suhject. E . Well, did not he sng.thu he had the conversation with Mr. Dale? . that he had A. T believe that he did sa: a conversation with Mr, D; & 5 “Well,” he said, “he said he would fix it e; he could arrange it all right for . says: “You mean a monetary consideration?’ He said: *‘Yes."” . Now give us the conversation. A. What conversation? 1 have related the conversation I had with him. Q. Relate it word for word, as near as you can. A. Well, T say that I went to him be- fore the Assembly mef. No, no. I don’t mean the particulars. The conversation rignt after he spoke of Jimmie Copeland. A. You mean my conversation with this Assemblyman or his conversation with Copeland? Mr. Mellick—No, no. Your conversation with this Assemblyman. He said that Jl&nmig’ Copeland met him on the street, did he? A. Yes. Q. Then what did he say? A. Copeland—mind, now, I am repeat- ing this now to the best of my recollec- tion. I won't vouch for the accuracy of the language that either of us used; and 1 also wish to state that I do not consider this statement I am relating now was one made in confldence, because there was no request made of me that I should regard it as confidential. He said to me: “Cope- land asked me if 1 was absolutely tied up, and 1 said—this or some such way— 1 was not; did not consider myself tied, or words to that effect. “Well,” he says, “don't make any arrangements, then: you stand to vote for Bulla for second choice (or something of that kind) and we will make it all right with you.” Then what did you say? . You mean this other— 3. No; right after he said that, what did you say? A. I says, “Did he offer you any con- sideration?”’ T says, “‘What consideration d he offer?” ““Well,” he says, “he he would fix it for me—make it all right th me.” I says, “Da you mean by that money consideration?’ e said, “Yes.” Q. Then what did vou say, or did he A. Well, I cannot recollect whether the Assembly was on the point of meeting, but I do know what I had in my own mind, and it was this: That before I fireesed the question any further with im I would endeavor to see Copeland and trf to get the information about the $3000. T went downtown after the Assem- bly had adjourned, looked for Copeland, and could not find him; @14, In the pres! sure of getting out my copy early that evening. I let the thing go until—oh, 1 should fancy it was 1 or 2 o'clock in the morning. 1 was sitting in the lobby of the Gnl%en Eagle Hotel and a certain par- ty came to me and said that this Assem- blyman had told him that he had been offered $3000 to vote for Bulla for second choice. QkThnt this Assemblyman that you had talked to— A, leeu.D s . Mr, Dale? 2. I do not mention his name. I was told that this Assemblyman told this par- ty that he had been offered $3000 to vote for Huber for second choice. % Q. Bulla, you mean, instead of Huber. A. T said:” *“That is ‘what he told me, with the exception that he did not speciiy the amount.” : : Q. And_was that certain party in the Golden Eagle Hotel an Assemblyman? Then that was another of the indefinable rumors going around that you based your story on? R AT thought possibly there might be some mistake in the amount, because I did not know Mr. Jimmie Copeland could raise $3000 1 he had. the Sml.[h(-jn Pacific Railway sack at his back, or was working for Dan Burns, and I went to this Assemblyman next morning and put the question” to him directly in this way, so 1 didn’t think there could be any mistake about it. I said: “When Copeland offered you this $3000 you refused it; did he r the price?’ and the semblyman “No .'And how long since Jimmie Cope- lafid was an attorney for the Southern Pacific Railroad? ‘A. Well, now, when I say that he was an attorney I cannot swea : ly. I have been told that he had railroad cases among his other business, and what- ever statements I made in that respect, as far as I know, are hearsay 7 Q. You do not know whether he was ever an attorney or not? ' A. 1 could not state that of my knowledge. Q. In the article you refer to a pa being here. What do you mean by th A. Oh, that is simply a josh. Q. The Assemblyman mentioned no sum whatever? A. Not at that time. Q. And he did not tell you that Cope- land mentioned any sum of money? A. Did not tell me that at that time. Q. Well, did you see Dale after this, then, and talk with him about tne same case? A. I have seen Mr. Dale several times. Q. Did you talk with him about this game case? Did you him more about {t? Did you see him again about this? A. 1 do not see how I could say that I saw Mr. Dale again about this case when 1 did_not state that Mr. Dale was the man I spoke to. Q. This same Assemblyman, then? A. Yes; I have discussed with this same Assemblyman this same case. Q. What did he tg]l you the next time? A. Weil, we did not go into that fea ture of it. At that time when I put th question_to him the second morning, “When Jimmie Copeland offered you this $3000 and you refused it, did he raise the rice?’ he w on.to say—he ans he question, No.” and he says, sorry that I told vou that yesterd: own car says: ‘“There have bheen one or two newspaper men come to me and asked me in regard to this case,” and he 3 “I have said nothing about it. “Well, but,” I said to him f Copeland is making these offers,” [ , “‘yours is not the only vote in the embly 1 says: ‘“He certainly must ant other people besides yourself, and he must have similar offer to some other says: “The statement will get out, and some one will be interested in taking it before the investigating com- mittee, and the story will come out an: way.” ' “Well,” he says, “I think possibly it may. AR | fathered the inference from that—and it Is the only inference that I have—that this Assemblyman did not care to have me mention his name, and I have resé)eected his confidence to that extent; and I have not touched upon the story, except in the way in which you have seeén in the Times, and the only statement I have had with him regarding it since is what he has volunteered: himself in my presence. Q. Did he ever, in any conversation with you, mention to you that he had beéen offered any definite sum of money? He mentioned in my presence. and in the presence of another gentleman in the Golden Eagle last night, that he had been offered that sum. Q. What sum? . $3000. Qrg‘lqd_.]ast night that he had been Q. By James Copeland? A. By James Copeland. Q. Who was this other gentleman? A. Well, T will ask the chairman if he thinks it is necessary that I answer that question. The chairman—Well, that is a matter for the committee to decide. Mr. Mellick—It seems to me that this is no confidence to be respected. 1 am will ing that he should not tell the name of that Assemblyman. Being a newspaper man myself, I appreciate the confidence that a newspaper man must have. But here he is in the presence of a third arty and in the Golden Eagle Hotel, and do not think that that is a confidence to be respected at all. I think the third party ought to be mentioned. The chairman—As a matter of law, neither party is protected from a state ment of facts before such an investiga- tion as this. If there is no objection to that, it is so ordered. You will be obliged to answer and state the third party’s name, Mr. Washburn. A. Captain Barbour of San Diego. Mr. Mellick—Is he in the city now? A. I think so. Q. Now then, Mr. Washburn, relate the Snm‘firsauon that you had last night in etail. A. Well, as a matter of fact, there was =0 very little of it that I cannot relate anvthing more to say than that this A semblyman said that a false impr ion had gotten out that he had said that the money came from Bulla. He sai W never made any such_ statement. H said: “I never accused Mr. Bulla of pa; ing out this money.” He said: “T never thought such a thing.” He said: “M understanding of it was that this mone was offered to me to keep Mr. Bulla in the fight. For instance, if he should lose a vote, that there might be a vote ready to take its place,” and he said: “When Jimmy CoMeland offered me the $3000 I dld not understand that the money came from Bulla.”” Q. Then what did you say? A. 1 didn’t say anything. Q. That was the extent of the conver- sation? ‘A. So far as T recollect it. Q. Did Barbour say anything then? N . No. Q. What_else do you know about this case, Mr. Washburn? A. _'gh!: Bulla case? . Yes. A. Well, T do not know that I know anything. 1 will leave it with the rest of the committee; there are a whole lot of rumors. Q. Did_you not tell a gentleman in the Golden Eagle Hotel the other night that the policy of the Times was to defeat Bulla in any instance? .. I don’t remember that I stated any- thing of the kind, but I think the columns of the Times will be the best evidence that they do not want Mr. Bulla to be United States Senator. Q. Did you not say that to a_gentleman in the Golden Eagle Hotel? A. T cannot recall any conversation of that kind. Mr. Mellick—Well, T do not know as that makes any difference in this investigation. That is all, 1 think. Now, Mr. Chairman, I do not understand that we are leaving Mr. Washburn go for good—my under- standing being that it was Assemblyman Dale. ow, then, we get Assemblyman Dale and Captain Barbour here. Here is a direct charge—one that we must trace down. After we have gotten Assembly- man Dale here and he does not prove to be the man with whom he had the conver- sation T am not willing that Mr."Washburn should be let go from giving the Assem- blyman’s name. fotion was made that a subpena be issued for Dale and Barbour. Seconded and carried. The chairman—Gentlemen, I have a communication to call your attention to: “January 21, 1899. “To the Chairman—Dear Sir: It hag been stated that D. M. Burns expende the sum of $19.000 to secure the election of members of the present Legislature. A statement was made by Mose Gunst of San Franecisco to Mr. E. F. Preston. Mr. Preston has expressed his . willing- ness to appear before vour committee, if 50 ordered, and to testify to the conver- sation between himself and Mr. Gunst. I respectfully request that you issue sub- penas to secure the attendance before ¥our committee of Mr. Gunst and Mr. ston. L. L. LEVINGS.” Now that contains substance enough to Justify a subpena by the committee, but 0 that positive- | est that #he form that we is suggest that we return this to Mr. 3 ings with the recommenda that he: ut it into the form of a statement Lha.} s to prove by Mr. Preston an t certain things and cite them. Because, if we depart from our rule, we are going tg have all manner of trouble. he communicati as returned to Mr. vings for revision. J. H. BARBOUR TESTIFIES. J. H. Barbour, being sworn, testified as follow Mr. Melliek—( give your full n A. Barbour Vhere do you live? 24 the Golden A. I was in the Go night and met those Q. Was there gard to_Assembly iila? as there a convers: lemen; ¥ tion with re- s vote chang- do not recall distinetly whether there was any conversation directly with regard to his chenge. I think a remark was made, though, something to this ef- fec! nged, it was ex- yected that some else would change Mr. Bull: make up for M. Bulla’'s . Ass strength. emblyman Dale said that? ber whether it was A. In no_ spe this matter at all. It was casual talk, the character of which I do not definitely recall. I pald no particular attention to it. There are so many 0TS D around that I regarded this as one numerous rumors that we hear all the while with regard to anybody and every- body. ; Q. Did Assemblyman Dale say that he had been offered $300) by an attorney by the name of Copeland A. I do not think so, sir. recollection. Eav Q. Did he say anything about $3000? A T do mot racall that he mentioned Not to my any specific sum at all, or that any_in- ducement had been offered at all. he that kind. Still might bave made some remark of As I tell you, there are so s comin:x to us here that I pe little ntion to the talk. I was not there for th: purpose of an in- terview or being interviewed at all. Q. About what hour was this last night? A. T should think somewhere about midnight. In the lobby or in the saloon? & My recollection is that it was in the saloon. Q. Did you hear amy mblyman, whether Mr. Da anybody_eise, say anything about offered $3000. to change his vote? ; T do not think so, sir. ‘T have heard OMmOon Fumors nce the publication he in_the Tim 1d probably talked of it with numerous parties, but that any cific statement of that by anybody in a definite way I do not re- call. I think none has ever been made to me. Q. I do Is it ¥ recol- lection tk not mentioned that convers: that interview all? A. I do not think so. At the sama time I would not swear positively that it may not have been mentioned. 3 Q. Was it_mentioned any other time— 3000—when Mr. Washburn was present? A. I could not say. Q. Or when Mr, Wa present? : A. As I tell you, I haye heard the com- shburn was not mon rumor since the publication was made in the Tir A number of times; possibly have heard it mentioned by half a dozen people. Who fhey were or the circumstances under which it was men- tioned I could not give you now. Q. Was anything said in that conversa- tion about the money possibly coming from Colonel Bu or his friends—Col- onel Burns or Colonel Burns® friends? A. Not to my recollection. Mr. Mellick—Mr. Washburn, do want to ask h ny questions? ir. Washburn—No. s chairman—Captain Barbour, you known that the rife with storfes _about bribery - sale of votes the 1 . have you not? . Yes, full of them. Q. Are’they so_common that you would not remember the fact that the charge of bribery was made in your presence? A. T think if any distinct charge of bribery of any individual member of the Assembly had been made in my presence in a definite way I would certainly recall you t. Q. You are a friend of the candidate named R. N. Bulla, are you not? A. A friend? Q! Yes ; A. I never met Mr. Bulla until the last few days in my life. Whose candidacy by your influence? A. My influence is so doubt if it is available in didacy. I came up here as friend of are you supporting limited that I anybody’s can- a neighbor and Grant's to do anything I might be a to in his behalf. Q. That being a fact, you are seeking to aid in any way you might, in your weak way and manne you suggest. If any charge of bribery had been made in your presence do you think you would remem- ber it? : 3 A. I say if any distinct and definite charge had been made in my presence I should remember it. ation there between the ou and Mr. Wash- burn? A.I did not understand that any specific charge of bribery was made of anybody or by anybody. What T understood was if anything of the kind was said that it was one of the common rumors that are cur- rent all the while in regard to yourself and everybody else. g 5 Q. Was this conversation at that time directed against any particular individ- ual? Was it not directed against R. N. 2 1a? A. Well, the only suggestion that T re- call that would reflect in any way upen Mr. Bulla was that an arrangement had possibly been made to keep his vote good. Q. Keep his vote good? Al Yes. Q. By what A ¥ means? By {hrowing sufiiclent strength to him; if he lost any, to keep his vote good. Q. Well, that far it would be ail right, would it not? A. T think so. Q. Now then, was there any suggestion in that conversation, or was there not a suggestion that Mr. Bulla or some au- ADVERTISEMENTS. Drunkenness Gured It Is Now Within the Reach of Every Woman to Save the Drunkard. A TRIAL PACKAGE FREE. The Remedy Can Be Given in Tea, Coffee or Food, Thus Absoluté‘ty and Seeretly Curing the Pa- tient in a Short Time Without His Knowl- edge. This cure for Drunkenness has shed a radle ance into thousands of hitherto desolate fire- sides. It does its work so silently and surely that while the devoted wife, sister or daughter looks on, the drunkard is reclaimed even against his will and without his knowledge or co-operation. The discoverer of this grand remedy, Dr. Haines. will send a sample of the remedy free to all who will write for it. Enough of the remedy is mailed free to show how it is used in tea, coffee or food and that it will cure the dreaded habit quietlyand permanently. Send J. W. Haines, your name and a 918 Glenn buildis dress to Dr. Cincinnatl, will mail a free sample of the remedy to you, securely sealed in a plain wrapper, also full Jimrctions how to use it, books and testimonials rom hundreds who havé been cured, and every- thing needed to aid you in saving those near and dear to you from a life of degradation and ultimate poverty and disgra Send for a free trial to-day. It will brightea the rest of your life