The San Francisco Call. Newspaper, January 19, 1899, Page 2

R o St M T S i S e THE SAN FRANCISCO CALL, THURSDAY, JANUARY 19, 1899. U INVESTIGATORS SHOW DETERMINATION TO Close and Persistent Questioning Compel Unwilling Revelations as {0 Green and Brown, Grant's Campaign Managers, Reluctantly Give Up a Part of Their Financial Transactions With Legislators and Then Brave the Anmger of the CALL HEADQUARTERS, SACRA- MENTO, Jan. 18.—Owing to the late- | ess of the hour it was impossible to | 11 of the verbatim report of the the Investigating it is ap- b last proceedings ore night and pend UNFINISHED TESTIMONY OF W. S. LEAKE ON TUESDAY | | absence' and . re- | , when 1} got J told Mr. Green 3 Is that rig | tell you, d Friday, Saturday he had been t? 1 eve Mr. Wright, during al 1 the time he first met him time you have Jjust W was ~ for ig Wright told | t that time—I ight was for Mr. with Mr. n at here han t, W he met your t you have | that he ‘went fon, the first mself and Mr. | Wright there, at he was ap- office was able to Mr. fact th: st thing t d of when he got to & t Mr. Wright was fav he ther. | was _ apprised | # r| money and was fo to make his his to make cam- since | always been for had Green told Grant—until me he was always he commenced to derstood it? Mr. Wright ald he got 1, “You know how ow much the other 1 o did he mention? ned the name of Senator tate how much Senator Cut- how much other any ask one guestion? 5 5 3 £ 1) & 8 . Green and tua id to discharge an s to a gentleman | 1 onversation that he was still indebted to | . Green for this money and would pay A. He told me he was going to.pay it ack because he could not keep his agree- or Mr. Grant. se that language? had promised to vote for nd “clrcumstances have cannot, and 1 think it is I shoul® return the Tho_chairman—In this converration with Mr. Green did he ac any time state to to how much money Mr. Cutter, this other gentleman you have men- t d d received; or did he say any- g about tha A. No. I don’t know that Mr. Green has ever mentioned Mr. Cutter’s name to me in any connection that would concern this committee. Q. Or Mr. Raw, or any other member | of the Assembly? { A. 1 decline to answer. | | | Mr. Lardner—Upon what grounds? The chairman—Let us make this clear. Mr. Lardner—On what ground Mr. Leake? ir. Mellick—What was the question? I not hear. e chalrman—The question is Intricate and involved with another, so I will mak the question definite: In any convers tion that you have had with Mr. Green ias he at any time detalled to you any | amount of money that he has expended in behalf of any member of this Assem- | bly? | A. Now, Mr. Chairman, I think i is due to_me to at least consult my attorneys. Mr. Mellick—Maybe I can get at it an- other way, Mr. Leake. A. Mr. Mellick, there are certain things told to a man In confidence— Mr. Mellick—Well, 1 am trying to get aroun t in this w: Mr. Grant and | Mr. Green were very anxious to get the | of The Call, were they not? A. Now, Mr. Grant never spoke to me | upon the subject in his life. I only met | him once, and it was just simply a friend- ly little talk. I do not know that the hip was ever mentioned—that is, | Grant. | ell, when Mr. Green saw you, you ood .thet he was acting for “Mr. A Q. We I, he came to you as manager of i s, sir. : | | . Call to get your support fors M. &nt, did he no A Yes, sir. . Q. When was that? A. Since T came to Sacramento; since | ‘the Legislature convened. | Q. And what dld you say? A. 1 told him that'1 was not the owner, | and 1 was simply carrying out my in: structions; that there was but one man | T knew of who could change the policy of | the paper, and that was Mr. Spreckels, | and he would have to see him. Q. Did you tell Mr. Green that you | didn’t think Gra that effect? A. Yes, sir. Q. And what did you ask of him then? | A. Well, really I don’t know. You would | have to fog my memory a little on that. | - Q. Well, did you doubi—in some words— doubt his ab to to vote for Grant as he claimed? A. Yes, there was—I think the claim | was 33 or 3i—somewhere along there. 7| doubted that. 1 do not know as I ex- pressed that to Mr, Green. it could win, or words to | | et as many members | ago. Two or three people told me about | . And you menti ther & it and really, Mr. Mellick, I don't, want e B Qe to refuse to answer any o our | Q. Jilson. Did- he say that he h; - questions—but I meet men _every | gisted Mr Jilsen? ¢ oY e |day, and they tell me about the|° A He did not. Let it be understood mumber of people they. have got.| that these were the three names Mr. Mr. Burns' men tell me they have | and all that, and I don’t think you ought t think these men w | that Mr. Green said fight he had put money, and that you had | | of it had it been disposed to support Mr. | election? | whether you shall divulge this high au- | thority that knows o | declined came up. He told me that he had as. sisted Mr. Raw in his election finan-|in view, on the part of The Call, to de- cially. feat the candidacy of D. M. Burns? Q. Did he tell you in what amount? A. That is the attitude of The Call. | A. No, sir. Q. Do you know of any improper meth- ?, Did he tell you in what manner Green | ods used on the part of D. M. Burns to paid out the money? secure votes to himself for United States ELICIT ALL THE FACTS the Spending of Money. Assembly by Refusing to Tell AlL Q. Did Mr. Green then furnish you with A. Thank God—no, sir. a list of the Assemblymen—the names of | Q. You mean to say, then, that Mr. them—those who were golng to vote for | Green never told you that he had finan- Mr. Grant? | clally assisted any other leglslator in his A. No, sir. | election than Mr. Raw? Q. Did he furnish you a list of the As-| A. And Mr. W semblymen in whosevote he had putmon-| Q. And M; ey, or Mr. Grant had put money | A. Yes, sir. A He B rt | Q. In this conversation with Mr. Green, aven't you or The Call some such | 3}d he say to you that he had assisted et y a - Mr. Raw by paying the money personally i oA LI to Mr. Raw or to somebody for Mr. Raw? L AV ' i R h at is the fact in that matter? o RV e niy 1 have related the conversation as a existence? .| near as can remember it, Mr. Chair- rh':i I'h)‘\‘n: flJ‘;“L".k rrom‘pqm ?‘“le;lx::\t | man, that he had assisted him financially. Want to see it and I nave not seen it. | Now, what that amounts to, you are as to see it and ) | ableto judge as T am. 2 Whol es) ”;; E;:i‘li:;‘h;fi;’l’ | Q. Did he say that he had assisted Mr. | Cutter? again to where you went loose a whi R back le Wright mentioned to me, not Mr. Green. | _Q.T understand you. T wanted to find | whether Mr. Green had mentioned the require me to repeat those conversa-| same names that you say Mr. Wrignt fons. ad— Q. No, as a newspaper man m, got all the members of the Legislature LL STENOGRAPHIC REPORT OF THE INVESTIGA nection with the Clough and Dan Cole episode? A. No. The facts in addition to those which were published in the ,Paper‘ which in subSta~c> were: That Mr. Cole had written to Mr. ugh and agreed to pay his election expenses, and Mr. Clough de- clined it. All those things have been pub- lished—all that we know about it—in the paper. The chairman—Do you gentlemen desire any further questions? Mr. Bacon—Yes, I would like to ask a vcu say you had a con- versation with Mr. Green in which he was speaking to you of the chances of Mr. Grant's election. Did he at that time show vou a list of the men who would vote for r. Grant? A. No, sir; he did not. Q. He has never shown you such a list, has he? A. No, sir. Q. He has never shown you any list. and never has claimed to have a list of men that he has assisted by furnishing them money for their election expenses; has he? A. No, sir. Q. Except the two instances of which you speak? A. No, sir. Not at all. Q. Never claimed that he had such a list and never spoke of such a list; did he? I mean Mr. Green. A. Now, you have kind_of Tun two cfl\:estinns together there. He did tell me that he had thirty-five votes that were going to vote for Mr. Grant. . I am asking you now about a list of men that he hng assisted. . Now, also, you have run two ques- tions together.’ 1 want to be understood. He has never told me of any list, or his assistance of any other candidates than those . W that T have told you about to-night. ‘hat I wanted to have you make that he never had claimed or mentioned to you a list of names of men whom he had assisted. The chairman—That is all, Mr. Leake. BALANCE OF TESTIMONY OF MILTON J. GREEN TUESDAY The report of the testimony of Milton J. Green Tuesday night was not sent in full owing to the lateness of the hour. Following is the portion omitted: Mr. Mellick—How long since that As. sembly district was doubtful, that you had to get a good nominee up? A. Well, I don’t say it was doubtful at any time; but I remeémber two years ago that Mr. Wright was a_candidate at that time and it was deemed necessary or ad- visable by the Republicans to get an in- dependent Republican out. of the way. Otherwise Mr. Wright's election two years ago would have been in dauger. Mr. La Baree—Mr. Green, did you give any other contributions to any other par- ties? Mr. Lardner—Did Mr. Wright know that you had funds of Mr. Grant in your hands? A. He did not. Mr. Mellick—I have not finished up my q s. Now there is a point right Awr ; that they had to get an independ- ent candldate out of the way in order to Wright first in order that we will not | amount of the one you have in mind? ! have too much confusion in the line of | our examination. Mr. paid out to— Mr. Bacon—Now, Mr. Chairman, T sub- mit that that question has been asked by the chairman of this committee and it is absolutely improper to allow Mr. Mec- Enerney to ga into that question. Mr. McEnerney—He said that he kept no books of account and I want to ask him if he kept any memorandum. Mr. Bacon—He has already answered that fully. The chairman—Mr. Green, I understood you to have answered me that when you can secure your data you can then tell how much money you have received from Mr. Grant and how you have expended it? A. Well, I don’t know that I could give the details of the expenditures. I cer- tainly can of the receipts. Q. And that letter—if you are given time you can get that? A. Certainly; anything that I have at my disposal. I have nothing whatever to conceal in the matter. Mr. Mellick—Does that memorandum re- fer to contributions to various legislative candidates? A. Oh, to county committees and every- thing of that sort. Mr. Mellick—Having contributed moneys to county committees, did you contribute any in Mr. Wright's district after he was nominated? A. Not a dollar. Q. I do not mean for Mr. Wright, but to the County Central Committee fund in that district. As soon as he was noml- nated, did you know whether that dis- trict was absolutely safe Republican? A. Well, the subject was never men- tioned again between us. Q. Well, you knew it as a matter of fact, did you not? Well, of course, I knew that when the nominations were all made his nomi- nation was equivalent to an election. But that fact was not determined for some time, for the reason that there was con- siderable of an independent movement in Alameda County this year and quite strong talk about fusion nominations. Q. How was it, Mr. Green, about that $7502 Was that paid before Mr. Wright's election or after he was elected? A. Oh, that was before his election. Mr. Sanford—Well, after his nomination? A. My recollection is that it was after his nomination; still I am not certain. Mr. Mellick—I think you said a while ago that it was in November? A. No; I sald that the obligations that he owed were due in November and he wished to anticipate that by asking me to take it up. Q. Can you get that letter here that he ‘wrote you? A. Yes, sir. The Chairman—And the check? A. No; I have no means of getting the check. Mr. Mellick—What did you say to Mr. Grant when you went to him and got that 750. A. I think I showed him the letter and he asked me what I thought about it, and I said it was all right and that I would drélt hat did you mean by saying that it regard as sacred certain confidences; ame time, to be plain, I have Mr. Green wanted the support 1l—it was time for them to get fight—and that you said: “I don't | ay with you,” and | “Here are the men; here are the nam nd gave you a list nd said, ““Here are the men” into whose heard of such a list or that there is such | a list to be such a list? A. I probably know of it, same as you do, Mr. Mellick. You know the people | have been talking about the list; and if | there is such a list in existence probably The Call could have obtained possession obtained. Do you know of Grant for United States Senator. Q. Did it obtain it? A. Not to my knowledge. I referred Mr. Green to Mr. Spreckels, the pro- prietor of the paper. The chairman—Do you know of any- body who has the list of the names of members of this Legislature of whom it is | said that Mr. Green pald money for their A. I know of no such list in existence, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Mellick—Well, it is your best in- formation that Mr. Spreckels or The Call has some such a list? A. 1 don’t think Mr. Spreckels or any member of The Call staff has any such information in their possession, because if they” had it they would'certainly refer it to me. Q. Well, as I understand it, then, you mply wanted to ask your attorney as to £ such a list? A. No, sir—no, you asked me if Mr. Green ever spoke to me about paying anybody’s expenses, and I asked to be excused. The chairman—I asked if Mr. Green | had ever told you of having put any money into the campaign of any one of the members of this Legislature, and you MILT GREEN BEFORE THE COMMITIEE. to answer, as I remember. I may not have it worded as I had it at| Mr. Mellick—Mr. Leake, without telling first. ‘the high authority, cannot you tell us A. Not out of any discourtesy to the | something about that list? First, what Chalirman. have you heard about it, anywa: I do not want you to break any confldence, but what have you heard? A. Just simply a rumor that the news- paper men here—the reporters—bring in this information. They are sent out to chase it down, and every other man that you see has heard of a list of that kind, or seen it; but you never can get close | enough to it to %?[ hold of it. | Mr. Mellick—Well, now that you ha\'e! | we understand that, but | is vour position, as I understand | That vou do not desire to divulge names of any persons whom Mr. aid to you that he assisted in Am I right? you. the ireen has making their campaign. A. Yes, sir. And that you declined to answer un- A it will throw any light upon this investi- | Upon the ground that I don't think consulted with your attorney, wouldn't you just as leave tell that “high author- 1ty ? 3\. 1 do not understand that I have con- sulted him on that point, and I think you misunderstood me about having this “in- | formation from any high authority. I“ have heard quite a number of people dis- | cuss the proposition. I have been told by | a number of people that there is a list in | existence with thirty-five names upon it | that were going to vote for Mr. Grant first, last and all the time. The fact that they did not vote for him *‘first, last and | all the time” is pretty good evidence that that list does not exist; so we stopped hunting for it. | Mr. Mellick—Now, as Wright voted for Colonel Burns, and as we are authorized gation that is now being made. Mr. Mellick—Well, Mr. Green certain parties? A. I will have to decline to answer. Q. (After witness consults with his at- torney) Do you still decline to answer? A. Will you please ask the question again, Mr. Chairman? The chairman—Did Mr. Green, at any time, state to you the names of members of this Legislature for whose election he had expended money? The witness—Well, now, seriously, Mr. Chairman, I don't believe the committee cught to force me to answer that ques- ticr; but my attorneys have advised that I must answer it. Q. Well, 1 want to consult on that prop did teill | ositlon. The only question in my inind | to dig out any improper methods that is of whom It ought to be first asked. 1| have been used, do you know of any im- think it ought to be asked. I do not Proper metnods used by Colonel Burns n getting Mr. Wright's vote? A. I know nothing of the relations be- tween Colonel Burns and Mr. Wright. The chairman—Did Mr. Wright in any conversation that he had with you ever say anything to you or hint to you as to what those circumstances were that you have mentioned that he sald had arisen that compelled him not to vote further for Mr. Grant? A. No, I did not ask him what the con- ditions were. Q. Did he ever intimate to you what were his inducements to change his vote from Mr. Bulla to Mr. Burns? A. No, sir. T have only had the two | conversations with him that I have told | you about, Q. You have had the krow that you are the proper party to ask it of first. A. 1 bope you will ask the other party. The chairman—The committee decide that you must answer the question, Mr. Leake. The witness—Mr. Green told me on two different occaslons— Q. Now start in by giving us the time and place and persons present. A. 1 cannot do that. It has not been very long ago, because I have not known Mr. Green very long. It is since 1 have been in Sacramento. Q. Since the Legislature sat? g A. Yes, sir. On two different occasions the question came up about this man or that man influencing certain members of the Legislature; and Mr. Raw’s name urpose steadily A. No, sir. That is as far as it went, except to tell about certaln people, in cer. tain parts of the county, that had got some—Dillman_Bros., or Fillman Bros.— something of that kind, but I don't know —people that T am not acquainted wite; therefore, that nobody could influence Mr. Raw_away from Mr. Grant. Q. Did he Indlcate to you in any man- ner how much that assistance had cost Mr. Grant? A. He did not. Q. Did he say .nat he had assisted them financially in the interest of Mr. Grant} A. He didn’t put it that way. Q. How is that? A. He did not put it that way. Q. Now state his conversation, exactly as he stated it, as nearly as you can. A. Well, sll'l’lpli’z that there was no fear but what Mr. Raw was going to stay with Mr. Grant, because he had assisted Mr. Raw financially. Senator by any member or members of this Legislature? A. No.. I don’t know anything that was done that was improper. If I did T would publish it. We have published everything | about Mr. Burns_we could get hold of. The chairman—Do you know of any im- proper methods having been pursued by any other candidate for United States Senator in that matter? A. No, sir; I do not. Q. Can you point to persons or papers that may be broughtbefore this committee whereby they may learn of the lm!:uro er use of money or other influences in the matter of the election of United States Senator? A. No, sir. T believe I have told about all that T know in connection with the matter, Mr. Chairman. Now you asked me if I knew of any other undue influ-| ences being brought to bear. My atten tion has been called to the fact of a state- | 2 8 ment published fn The Cajl, I thinic it was | - . an interview witn T. son and some Q. Yes; he, Green, had assisted Mr. | gentleman that came down to persuade Raw financially? it was im to chmie his vote, in whic understood that the vote was changed in consideration of some threat about not A. Of course, I draw my-inference from it the same as you gentlemen can. . Yes, all of us do that. etting any State patronage. It was pub- A But' I don't want to put words in | fic' property and was published In the pa- Mr. Green's mouth. per. owever, I did not get the inter- Q. His language was this, then, was it— | yjew. that Mr. Raw would vote for Mr. Grant| Q. Djd you have any conversation with because *“I" assisted him financially in | Mr. Jilson? his election? Was that it? i A. No, sir. A. Yes, sir, . What member of your staff did have? Q. That was the substance of "it. Any . That I could not tell you. It was other member of the Legislature that he mentioned? published some time ago. Mr. Mellick—Have you any facts in con- & elect a Republican, when, as_a matter of fact, two vears ago Mr. Wright re- ceived ‘the largest Republican majority of any member of the Legislature, and | that is an overwhelming Republican diss trict. Now you simply had to get his nomination. "I do not understand how you can say that that money was con- tributed to ‘the election of a Republican to the Legislature. A. Well, if Mr. Wright received that nomination and was elected he would be- come a part of the Republican legisla- ture, wouidn’t he, if the Legislature was Republican? Q. If Mr. Pringle was elected, would | not he have been a part of it? A. Yes, sir. But It happened that I knew Mr. Wright and did not know Mr. Pringle. Q. Therefore because you knew Mr. Wright your friendship was great, and you were the manager for Mr. Grant. Did you not expect that your contribution of $900 would naturally lead to his voting for| Grant? A. No, sir; not at all; be- cause Mr. Wright had said before that—several months before that— that if he were elected to the Legis- lature he expected to vote for Mr. Grant. Q. You wanted to keep up your friendship? A. I don’t know what you call it. . It was simply a case of a friend being a candidate for the Legislature and I was willing to assist in secur- ing his election. Mr. La Baree—You were sure that you were aiding a Grant man then? A. I certainly thought so, yes. Mr. McEnerney—I would like to ask a few questions. The chairman—Very well. Mr. McEnerney—Does Mr. U. S. Grant keep a bank account in the city and coun- ty of San Francisco? A. No, sir. Q. Do you keep a bank account there? A. I do not. Q. Do you keep a bank account in Oak- land? A. No, sir. Q. Do you keep any bank account? A. No, sir. Q. Have in the months? A. No, sir. Q. On what bank were the checks that you recefved from Mr. Grant drawn? A.-Well, T don’t remiember. It was the National Bank in San Diego, but I can- not remember the name. . Q. Upon what bank was the check for $750 drawn by Mr. Grant with which you canceled Mr. Wright's obligation? A. I presime on the same bank that he was in the hablt of drawing on. Q. You have received divers and large sux'q’s of money from Mr. Grant, have you not? A. Well, divers—not’large sums. Q. You have received many sums, have you not? Mr. Bacon— Mr. McEnerney is going clear outside of the examination that has been made by the committee. All the questions I asked were within the line of questions asked by the committee. This is outside of anything that has been gone into by the committee itself. he chairman—I understand that to be the limitation. The attorneys are con- fined to the matters inquired into by the committee. I intended to go into that line somewhat, but I wanted to finish up this particular matter with Mr. you last eighteen 1 was all right? What did you mean by that, that he was still friendly to Mr)‘ Grant? A. No; not at all. I thought that he would refund it. You took no note or anything of that kind? A. There was his promise in the letter. 2. Kpu never got any note? 0. The chairman—Was Mr. Wright | lag SNt 8t that) of Fled States Senator. time financially responsible? A. Well, I really do not know about that. I think he was manager of the Call- fornia Title and Trust Company at that time, and I knew that he had stock in that institution. Q. He had recently gone through insol- \‘Pnr‘{, had he not? A. T think it was two years ago that he went through insolvency. To the best of my recollection, I think he went through about_two years ago. Q. You made no examination financial standing? A. No, sir. Q. You learned it on the credit of his W_,raonallty, and expected he would return into his A. Yes; I had his written letter stating that he was on his way to Oregon, and that he expected to close up that trans- action at that time, and that there would be $2000 due him. Q. You did not inquire into the chances, or whether his expectancy was based on good reason or not? A. No; I didn’t stop to reason it out that way. He asked me upon receipt of the letter to telephone to his friend. He gave me his name and the number of his tfelephone in Berkeley. Q. The man to whom the money was paid? A. Yes. Q. That was Yeazell? A. I believe that was the name.: It was a very peculiar name, I know—one that I had never seen before. Mr. Mellick—Mr. Grant sent you money at different times for two different funds —different purposes—sent it to you by checks on the San Diego Bank? Now I suppose, not having any bank account in Oakland or in San Francisco, you went and got that cashed and carried the money in your pocket? A. No, sir. Q. Then how could you make these contributions? Take the Wright case? A. Oh, if T had a check of 31000 or $2000 1 would probably get it cashed—prabably get $200 or $300 in coin and a certificate of deposit for the balance, and I would cash that from time to time as I needed it. Q. In what bank did you deposit money that wa{ and take certificates of deposit? A. Well, I think it was in the—some- times in the Crocker-Woolworth and sometimes in the First National. Q. In San Francisco? A, Yes. Mr. McEnerney—What bank in_ San Francisco is _the correspondent of the bank in San Diego? A. My recollection is that it is possible more checks than one were bank checks drawn by the San Diego bank on the Clrocker». ‘oolworth Bank in San Fran- cigco. Mr. Bacon—Draft? A. Yes; checks or drafts. Mr. McEnerney—Payable to your or- er? A. I presume so. Q. You never had anybody else to in- dorse them—you always got them for vourself, did you not? A. I always drew the money. Q. And it was on your indorsement alone that the money was pald? . Yes. Q. It was not on Mr. Brown's? A. No, sir. Q. A;:d the money passed through your hands? . Yes, I think so. Q. Some_of it came by draft on the Crocker-Woolworth Bank? A. One, at least, and possibly more. The chairman—How much was the A McEnerney—Have you any means | of telling what moneys of Mr. Grant you | | glected to_the Legislature who A. I do not remember now. It wa: or_$3000—somethin, ] g like that. Mr. Lardne: hat was the largest draft you re d that you remember of? A. Weil, 1 don’t know. It may have been $2000 or $3000; it might have been $4000. Mr. McEnerney—Were you in the habit of acknowledging the receipts of these drafts to Mr. Grant? A. No, not aiway Q. Do’ you keep vour letters? | " A. T keep press coples of all I write, | Q. And that you wrote to Mr. Grant? A. Well, T think so. e all his press copies- of all letters which he | Mr. Mellick—You understand, Mr. Green, that the subpena that w erved on you orders you to bring all those papers here? Don’t you understand it s0? A. I suppose that is the nature of the subpena—yes, Mr. McEnerney—I would suggest, Mr. Mr. Grant to Chairman, that you reques bring his bank account. Mr. Bacon—Mr. McEnerney, is this | trial of the libel suit against The Call? . Mr. McEnerney—Mr. Bacon, I am a cit- izen of the State of California, and these gentlemen are representatives of the Whole people, and 1, as a citizen, suggest | when they are investigating these charges they should adopt appropriate means of arriving at the truth, and one of them is to bring Mr. Grant's bank account and his return check. Mr. Bacon—Well, I make my objection to that statement on exactly the same | grounds that you Fut your right to put that statement. am a citizen of the State of California, and interested in this | Legislature, The chairman—There {s no profit in| your discussion, gentlemen. If you will | permit me we will go on with ‘he work | of the committee. 1 do not want to be harsh in these matters, but we do not want to spend time in discussion between the attorneys. This has got to be a per- sonal matter between you two, and not a | proper matter hefore the committee. a Mr. Bacon—There is one more que: I would like to ask. As I unders your resolution, ~gentlemen, attorneys are here simply 'for the purpose of pro- tecting witnesses, or parties whom they represent? A. Yes, sir; that is right. Mr. Bacon—And ‘perhaps something that he wishes if it is his own witness? The chairman—Yes. Mr. Bacon—That is the spirit of the res- olution, T understand, introduced by Mr. mellick? Mr. Mellick—That is it. Mr. Bacon—I have followed that exact- ly. In that line -I merely t to ask Mr. Green one question now that I think of. Mr. Green, Mr. ake in his testi mony here to-night sation had with the Del Paso saloon here in town you told him that on one occasion you went to your. office in San Francisco and there found Mr. ‘Wright in conversation with Mr. Grant. That was_ prior to the time that any money had been advanced by you to him. | And at that meeting at your office Mr. | | Wright said something to you about this $200 to_buy Pringle off. Was that true| or not? A. No, sir; it is not. Q. Did you have any such conversation as that with Mr. Lea at this place here in Sacramento, or any other place? A. To that effect? Q. Yes. A. Or in those words? Q. Yes, or in those words. A. I never told Mr. Leake that Mr. ‘Wright came to the office and Mr. G and I were there together, becaus never did. Q. He never did? A. That is to the best of my recollec- tion. He certainly never came there when Mr. Grant was in the-office and sald any- thing about Mr. Pringle, and I never told Mr. Leake so. Q. Did Mr. Grant know anything at all about your relations with Mr, Wright, or what you were doing for him? A. No, sir; absolutely not. | Mr. Mellick—Mr. Green, how long will | 1t take for you to get those papers here? | A. I do not know. 1 am very busy just | now. Mr. Bacon—What papers do you want, gentlemen? Do you want papers to show that he had paid Mr. Wright some money? He had admitted that he paid him some | money. Mr.” Mellick—No. We have only gone into one branch of this matter, and we | want all the letters. Take that “Sutter | Club” letter of Mr. Wright. We want | all the letters that passed between Mr. | Grant and Mr. Gyeen in reference to con- tributions in this campaign—the Senato- rial campaign. All bank checks or drafts that are obtainable by Mr. Grant. A. Well, I have not any bank checks or | drafts, or anything of that sort. The chairman—I think the subpena cov- | ers every possible kind of data that| can arise. I meant it when I drew it, any- | way, and he will understand his subpena. And’ the only question in my mind now is as to what time the adjournment of this committee, and the examination of Mr. Green, should be made to. I am in- clined to think that it would be better for the committee if we would go on with | Mr. Green in the morning, and then we | will have to have an adjournment and | have him before us again after he has got | | his data. There are lines of this examin- to suggest to bring out t he | ation_that T would like to go into—that I | | would like to complete hefore we dismiss him from the stand. The witness—Gentlemen, before you | leave this branch of the case I want to | say, if I have not said it in terms before, that I never gave Mr. Wright a dollar of money to influence his vote in electing | acted a promise from him that he would vote for Grant for United States Sena- | tor, and he never did promise me that he would vote for Mr. Grant for United States Senator; and that there was no consideration—that the contribution 1 made in that primary election over there was in no sense a_consideration for Mr. Wright voting for Mr. Grant. Mr. Sanford—In the meantime you wera not handing money out promiscuously to people that were opposed to Mr. Grant? A. 1 can say on that question, if vou wish it, that 1 maae contributions dur- ing the campaign to gentlemen who were never voted for Mr. Grant, never promised to | vote for Mr. Grant and who were not aware that I made any contributions to their campaign. _ Mr. Mellick—Will you be prepared to g0 on with your testimony in regard to which_legislative districts” you have ex- pended money in in the morning without reference to these other letters? Will you be prepared to go on with that testi- mony in the morning? | dence o | I ever had I never ex-|F any letters for ATt does| not requi that. - i Q. Then .wh won't need to walt ey y a0 e letters? o - na forthe letien the letters bear all. at &' this letter from I understand 3 Frigl R te- Mr. Wrig made_a_stat it 1 reter wna he will probably make \he same siatement bere to-morrow? i .‘T have g the substance of the letter, gentlemen. Mr. McEnerne fied to the subst wh document itself. The committee then adjourned until 10 o'clock this morning. THE MORNING SESSION OF THE COMMITTEE The committee met in room 16 of the Capitol building at 10 o’clock a. m. The following proceedings were hi Senator Cutter—Mr. Chairman, I see by the testimony of Mr. Leake of The Morning Call, given here iast evening, that he has cast a reflection upon my character which absolutely untrue. The whole statement there that I ever received-any money from Mr. Grant or Mr. Grant’s manager is an solute and entire falsehood. And I demand that I be sworn and allowed to testify The witness hs se of it. The bes a paper contains is evi- the | before this committee in vindication of my character. The chairman—Senator Cutter, the committee will be obliged to follow some kind of order in the taking of testimony, and that order could not well be broken in upon by having your timony injected at this time, but I ure you that shall have all the opportunity you desire to refute any charges that have been brought against you enator Cutt that is all I ask. The chairman—We will send for you at any time that we can use your testi- mony. TESTIMONY OF MILTON J. GREEN RESUMED The chairman—Mr. Green, duct of the campaign for M atorial aspirations, had you the authority from Mr. Grant to conduct a campalgn in such manner as your judgment would dic- tate? . Absolutely. Q. Was it your custom, in conducting that campaign, to consult frequently with Mr. Grant about the matter? A. No, sir. ~Well, Mr. Chairman, the in Q. And in the payment of any money might consider legitimate ex- r h ign, or illegitimate, amp A. 1 must ex question, Q. There is no question yet, Mr. Green. In the matter of the expenditure of any money on behalf of the campaign of Mr. bt to the last part of the Grant were you authorized to use your own judgment exclus! in the matter of how it should be expended and for what_purpose? A. Yes, sir. Excepting that I knew it must be within the legitimate scope of regular campaign. r Mr. Grant m that positive statément, that he was per- fectly \willing to have me incur proper and legitimate expenses in conducting his campaign; but that he had no desire whatever to purchase his seat in the Sen- ate. Q. When did that conversation occur? Before or after the campaign opened? A. I think it was the first conver: h him in San Francis November, 1897. . Now, in he conduct of that cam- paign, I understood you to say,last night | that you had expended money prior to the primaries and subsequent to the pri- maries. s that correct? . Yes, sir. Q. And in the expenditures you expend- ed money in the different districts where- tors were elected? In some cases where they ‘were not lected. Q. DId you keép a memorandum at any time of the times and places that you ex- pended money in that way? . Not a complete memorandum; no, Sir. Q. Are you able at this time to tell all s in which you paid money? ; I am not. . You can some of them I suppose? A. Oh, I think so. Q. Kindly detail to the committee the different districts in which you expended money in behalf of the legislators who were_to be elcted. A. Now, gentlemen— Mr. Bacon—Just wait, Mr. Green. Mr. Chairman, I object tothat questionon this ground: That so far as Mr. Green's tes- timony has gone, and so far as the testi- mony of any other witness has gone here, it has not been shown that there has been one dollar of money illegitimately expended in this campaign of Mr. Grant's. The chairman—That is the point we are after. Mr. Now, the question that you at this time we object to as being erial. We might just as well ask every man in the State—it is just exactly pertinent to ask every man in this te whether he made a journey down in Southern California and Went to some xpense in_the interest of some candi- date for office. Because we regard it—I think it is regarded by everybody that it is not only proper, and not enly fair and honest, but it iS_absolutely proper that a c?ndiflr\la for United States Sena- tor should contribute money to the cam- paign expenses; and he is generally re- quested to do so, and generally does do 0, and very often it is made a matter of omment avorable comments upon the andidacy of any man that he has con- tributed money to the campaign expenses. The chairman—As a general proposition that is conceded. No doubt about that, Mr. Bacon—Now, Mr. Green has Sald that Mr. Grant told him to make this campaign and that he was willing to spend money to make this campaign. Mr. Green says that they put the money into this legislative fight, but with the distinct understanding that there should be abso- Fancy Creamery, tub, weighed as fore gone. all parts of the city. Phone Main 1340. BUTTER, 20c 1b. LARD, 750 Pail 10 1bs. Pure Silver Leaf, in fine lunch pails, 3 compartments. 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