The New York Herald Newspaper, January 21, 1879, Page 5

TH, SANGIN OF THLEGRUN Views of the President of the Western Union. THE CIPHER DESPATCHES How They Were Given Up and What Became of Them. cneiemcemnnepemoeneiiaieee Aa the question of the inviolability of telegrams is one largely discussed just now and will probably re- weive the attention of Congress and the State Legis- lature, areporter of the HenaLp was sent to obtain the views of Dr. Norvin Green, the president of the ‘Western Union Company, upon the subject and mat- ters incidentally connected with it. The interview, the publication of which Dr, Green authorized, was, &s nearly as it can be repeated, as follows:— “Have you read the Hema.D's editorials on the subject of the inviolability of telegrams, Doctor?” “T have not,” Dr. Green smilingly replied, ‘I al- sways take the Heap, but as a rule I only read the mows in newspapers and not their editoriuls.”” THE SANCTITY OF TELEGRAMS, “What are your views on the subject?” “T think it is an excellent subject to be agitated. I Qelieve that telegrams should be regarded in the light of sealed communications and just as sacred as letters, We have always made o persistent stand against the delivery of telegrams to courts, Con- gressional committees, grand juries or any other bodies, but have generally Been defeated, for the reason that the law does not protect telegraph oflices as it does the Post Office. Not only that, we gre compelled to deliver specified telegrams by the order of some competent court of justice—that in itself would. not be so bad—but we bave dragnet subpenus served upon us, undcr which we are re- quired to furnis't all telograms which might have passed between certain parties or certain places ‘within certain dates, and then these telegrams are raked over in the hope that some of them will be found bearing upon the matter under investigation.” SACRED CONFIDENCES DISCLOSED. “And while they are being 80 raked over the most sacred confidences between husband and wife or father ‘and child may be read over by the investigator?” “Exactly. In ‘the Babcock case, you remember, ‘when we objected to disclose the telegrams the Couré ‘held that while we could not be compelled to deliver all telegrams passing between certain parties within an indefinite space of time, yet we were bound to do 80 When the date was at least approximately given.” “What would be the best remedy, in your opinion, . Doctor—a law of Congress?” “That is a question involving some nice legal (points, which I am hardly prepared to answer at this ‘moment.” THE WESTERN UNION AND THE GOVERNMENT. “Do you not derive your authority from Con- gress?” “No; the Western Union is chartered under the laws of the State of Now York. Under the act of Congress passed in 1866 we ouly obtained the author- ity to lay and operate wires over any territory of the Uuited States or post office roads by accepting the stipulations of the Post Office Department as to the rates for which we should send government mes- sages. Under this law of Congress we claim the au- thority to operate aline to Pensacola, although the State of Florida conferred the exclusive right of op- erating such ® line upon the Pensacol+ Telegraph Company. Of course the government cannot au- thorize us to take away anybody's property—only the State can exercise this right of eminent domain. Under the laws of the State of New York, for in- stance, we can lay our wires over any rouds. But in the Pensacola cise we had already acquired the right of operating our line by arrangement with the railroad company, and when the State’s exclusive grant to the Pensacola Telegraph Company was opposed to us we -appealed to the United States Supreme Court and beat them. ‘That law of 1866 is very imperfectly understood. ‘Under that law we bound ourselves to send the gov- ernment messages at the rates fixed by the Postmas- ter General, and be generally reduces them every four or five years, Under that stipulation we have for years received only # cent a word for @ message over any circuit, at an actual loss tothe company. Then it was also stipulated thut at any time after the lapse of five years the government could purchase our wires at a price to be fixed upon by five arbitrators, two to be appointed by the government, two by the company, and these four to choose the fifth. Now, when people talk about the government taking our wires, we say, “Very well; you may purchase them, but only under these conditions.” A BRITER STATE LAW WANTED. “Then not much relief can probably be ted from Congress toward securing the sanctity of tele- rams?” . “I am afraid not, as the companies are chartered by the States and are therefore under State author- ity. Iknow some eminent authorities hold that tel- €,rams, being a part of the commerce between States, ject vo the regulations of Congress, but the of the present majority of the lower House on bject of State rights would probably oppose any Congressional interference with Staie corpora- tions lke telegraph companies. A more stringent State law is probably what is wanted. After New ‘York had passed such a law the other States would quickly follow suit.’ “The present law of this State was designed to pun ish any officer or agent of a telegraph company dis- closing the contests of a telegram, was it not?” “Yes, but as the disclosure of any tele by one of our employés we have never bud a single complaint upon this head which, upou investigation, has not been satisfactorily explained. With a tele: graph operator the secrecy of despatches is a matter of Professional duty; he khows that, just as a physi- cian or lawydr would be branded with disgrace if he revealed the secrets contided to him by his client: the operator would be under a stigma of intamy divulged the contents of any telegram received or peut by him.” THE CIPHER TELKGRAMA, “You are aware, Doctor, of the impression which biedentd that the cipher tolegrams were divulged rough some officer or agent of the company?’ “If such an impression exists it ix utterly wrong. Somebody stole or copied these telegrams after they had gone out of our hands and while they were in the possession of Senator Mortou’s Committee on Privileges and Election.” “Were these cipet despatches, thon, among the Lge ngs delivered to Senator Morton's comiittee ?” “Yes, sir, The way they came to be delivered was this. Mr. Morrivon offered in the House a resolution culling for the delivery of certain telegrams which had } aecoy between William E. Chandler and other repub- ican managers during the electoral contest in the dis- puted States. Senator Morton, as an offsct to this, widened the inquiry by serving upon us one of these sweeping drag-net subpoenas culling for all tclegrains which had passed between certain points within a cer- tain time and relating to the election. Mr. Orton resisted both demands, und, you remember, was tor some time oven under arrest in W: If anyboay thought that Mr. Orton, from his republican sympa- thies, was instrumental in ‘allowing these telegrains to be divuiged he docs his memory grievous injustice, for I know that nobody fought harder than Mr. Orton ayainst the company’s submission to this drag-not subpwna, The Sergeant-at-Arms even took our entire Executive Committee to Washington, holdin; vire tually under arrest until we had to yield and give uy, the telegrams.” HOW THE TRLEGRAMS WERE GIVEN UP, “And how were they given up?” Yhen the Kxecutive Committee first heard that the subpoena was likely to be served upon us wo Wore so resolutely opposed to surrender them thut it was proposed to burn them berore the Congres. Biol anand could formally reach us, At that time the subpocna had only been served upon ono of our ts and not upon any officer ot the compan; ture resolving, however, to destroy tho telegra: we thought it wise to consult our counsel, John K. Porter, Judgo Porter told that it would be « grave mistake to take such astep in advance of the Congressional demand for these telegrams, and thet it would snbject our action to harsh suspicions. We then, when we found that further resistance would be useless and that the entire Executive Committee would have to ac- company the Sergeant-at-Arms to Washington, in- structed Mr. Clarence Cary, our office attorney, to col- Ject then ail, put them into a trunk aud bring them along to Washington, It was a great metal-bound Baratoga trunk, which he specially bought tor the Parpore. and contained 29,00 telegrams, At Wash- ington he delivered the trunk to Mr, Whitney, our manager, upon whom the subpamna had first been served, and Who turned the truuk, with its contents, over to the committee.” 1 eto OR MAY OF RERVIYO TRLRONAM, “How long did the telegrams re: - sion of the omitttes?™™ veabndneeneaeS Here Mr. Cary, who happened to be present, con- sulted some memoranda and said:—“From January 24, 1si7, till March 13, 1877, nearly two months. ‘Then they wore returned to us, During that time somebody must have yot hold of them and either cae or ‘ihren ial The _ tele- grams, wos 1, Wot be read over the table.and remain there over night. 80 tlt they conld be nendily examined by any momber noxt morning, ‘“ho,ctork of the com: told us that tho room was always locked over ‘and that they would be saio, Ur cpuree, whe: wat | sult one another about the electoral votes of Florida, ‘NEW YORK with closed doors nobody could tell what was being done with these despatches."” ‘ ‘Somebody stole them and got some expert to de- her them,” was Dr. Green's offhand opinion. “What did you do with them after they were re- turned to you, and, first of all, did you count them to see that the number was complete and that uone were mi or had been abstracted?” lo, we did not count them,” Dr. Green replied, ‘but they were put back into the trupk, which was locked ana sent per express to our New York office. Here the trunk remained locked for a few days in the storeroom, the key baieg te. my possession aring the time. I then gave key to my son and tol him to wnleck the trunk and destroy the telegrams. He took the trunk to the engine room and there burued its entire contents.”” WHAT IS GENERALLY DONE WITH TELEGRA: “How long do you generally keep telograms “Six months. We then either burn them or, which is the more usual course, chop them up fine and send them to the paper mills and get something forthem. We keep them for that length of time be- cause we have to protect ourselves agaiust claims for damages on account of alleged bad service. In such cases the telegrams which we have kept often prove that the complainants are wrong.”” “Do you limit your liability to six months?” “No; to three months. But we keep them six months for our better protection, But now you must really excuse me, as I have some important business to dispose of.” ‘This ended the interview. Mr. Cary subsequenth; recited to the reporter the details of his travels wi that be gong Saratoga trunk, whose contents were de- signed to kill off # Presidential candidate, but added no new material fact to the statements of Dr. Green heretofore given, The question therefore remwins, “Who stole the telegrams from the room of the Sen- ate Committee on Privileges and Election?” ‘ THE CIPHER TELEGRAMS, In an editorial concerning the proposed cipher de- spatch investigation by the Potter Committee the New Orleans Picayune of January 16 says:— As far as an investigation of the “coparceny” tele- grams is concerned nothing remains to be disclosed. ‘The work of the committee will be supertiuous, ‘The New York Tribune has done the business in advance. We admit that these telegrams «re correctly trans- lated and that they passed between the persons to whom they are xttributed. What then? Nobody suffered by them. Tho scoundrels who falsified the votes of thoze States were willing to betray their confederates and employers for hire, but the bargains were uever consummat If they had been per- fected the effect would simply have been to confirm, by questionable and censurable means, the true re: sults of theclection. But it was not perfected. * * * If the business is to be thoroughly investigated it will be desirable to inquire, as our respected con- temporary, the New York Henan, suggests, by what means the cipher telegrains passed from their proper custody into the hands of the persons who translated and published them. Our respected contempora: declares that there has evidently been a gross Breed of trust somewhere, After quoting from a HeEnatp editorial, the Pica yune concludes as follows :— These views are eminently just. It is a great deal more important to know who are the thleves who stole the cipher telegrams than to find out why the writers of thove communications thought fit to con- South Carolina and Louisiana. Strict inquiry on this point will probably connect the theft of private cor- Fespondence with tho larger theft by which the votes of two and probably of three States were stolen from their proper owners. THE AMERIQUE’S VOYAGE. CONTRARY WINDS AND HEAVY SEAS ENCOUNTERED FROM HAVRE—COMPLAINT AGAINST THE FIRE ISLAND LIGHT. ‘The steamer Amérique, of the French Transatlantic line, arrived yesterday morning at her dock, and her officers report that the voyage out was an extremely rough one. Her captain, M. Delort, stated yester- day that his vessel ought to have left Havre on the 4th inst., but in consequence of an accident to the steamer Herder the Amérique did not leave her berth before the 5th. On the 7th, when she was well off the English coast, it began ‘to blow a stiff breeze, which after a while rapidly increased. The following day brought a much stronger wind and » corresponding rise of the sea, and on the 9th it blew agale. The winds rushed through the rigging with the fury of demons and the overtopping waves ran to agrea‘ height. From the 10th to the 11th the gale continued. On the 9th the position of the ship was latitude 48 deg. north, and longitude 28 deg. west from Paris, The following two days she made little headway, and from noon on the lith to the same hour next day the entire distance run was sixty-three miles. On the night betwoen the lith and 12th the rudder chains parted, but as the vessel is provided with double steering apparatus this accident did not matter much, as the gearing on the poop speedily replaced that which was disabled. Not more than fifteen minutes were lostin this way. Betwcen the 13th and 15th the weather moderated, but still strong es, and a nasty sea prevailed. The wind suddenly and violently freshened up between the 15th and 16th till it blew a perfect hurricane. At the same time a heavy-snowfall set in, and shortly the deck and rig- ging became encased in a coating of clear, hard ice. So dangerous were the decks to tread that the captain ord the passengers to remain below. The weather was so cold that the mercury fell to sixteen in the centigrade thermometer. This was off the Banks of Newfoundland. From there to port the weather, though rough, was better. Captain Delort reports that when oif Fire Island he showed his lights in passing the lighthouse there, but it seems that no signal was made in response, nor was any telegram or other despatch sent to advise the authorities or consignees of the arrival of the Amérique. THE LIFE SAVING CORPS. ‘A meeting of the New York Life Saving Association was held yesterday afternoon, at three o'clock, in the directors’ room of the Maritime Exchange. ‘The as- semblage was composed of merchants, brokers and persons interested in the work of life saving. Cap- tain Paul Boyton was present. “Nan” the newsboy and his friends were resplendent in neat uniforms and bright regulation buttons. Mr. E. B. Woodward, temporary chairman, called the meeting to order at a quarter after three o'clock. A number of persons then spoke on the work in general and gave words of encouragement, predicting that the corps’ work in the future would greatly excel that or te past. Speeches were made by Captain Boyton and Dr. Gar- rish. who spoke in favor of the scientific resuscitation of drowned persons, and re} is of to lecture for the benefit of the fund of the association. Mr. McGuire presented a resolution investing the Ex- change Committee with the power of expending $500 for the furtherance of the objects of the association and starting work on a station. By unanimous con- sent of the society Captain Boyton was added to the committee to insure @ practical success of their efforts, The Chairman then nominated the Captain for the office, but the clection was put off until the next meeting on Monday next, at three o'clock in the afternoon. The meeting then adjourned. The Hrratp acknowledges $1 from George H. Brandt. Mr. L. M. Hirsch also presented cach of the boys with regulation army officers’ overcoats, with capes. OLD FASHIONED TEMPERANCE. Quite a largo gathering of the representatives of the total abstinonce element in this city assembled last evening in Clarendon Hall, Thirteenth street, in Tesponse to an invitation of the triends of the National Temperance Instituto. The object of these tea parties is to obtain a better knowledge of each other among temperance advocates than could be well gathered at general meetings. ‘These tea parties are to be continued every month. Last evening the toasts presented after tea were :-— 1, “The National Temperance institute,” responded to by President Gibbs. 2, “Phe Clergy,” responded to by MY. Fitswilliams, of Europe. 3, “Humanity,” by @ letter from Henry Bergh, read by Mrs. Emma Gates Conklin. PASSAIC'S CRUSADERS. The excitement about Passaic City and Paterson, N. J., over the case of the temperance crusaders, ‘Messra, Greenwood, Horne and Meoker, who procured the arrest of about twenty-five Passaic liquor dealers for alleged illeyal selling, is increasing daily. There is niuch bitterness manifested against these men, who are regarded as professional “informers.” Yes- terday, in the General Quarter Seasions, Judge Barkalow prosiding, Mr. Arthur Greenwood appeared and gave new security in the per- son of Edward Connolly, of Passaic, though he had refused on Saturday to furnish any other bail than his connsel, Mr, Stoutenboro, who was not a- ceptable to (he Court, His associates, Messrs. Horne and Meek 1, both of this city, were arrested yester- day, and whon arraigned on the charge of conspirac; gave bail in the sum of $500 ewh, The trial will commence on the 23d inst. A CORRECTION. New Youx, Jan, 20, 1879. ‘To te Eprror or tHe Henanp:— Tho dospateh in your paper of this morning, dated at St, Louis, has damaged us materially in making further progress with our settlement, and we here- with send for publication a card from the Chairman of our committee, to which we trust you will give as rominent a place in your columns in to-morrow’s issue, aud oblige, very truly foo matter of fw ment, and hope to pert the compromise, as also hol hereby inform: woth to their ow ment must remain int A. Naw Yous, Jan. 20, 1870, ro ial Drs to tect It, bat thoxe who have ni rit 7 sigusisre te ceialbed is obtain miesaeete a ANGRY CHRISTIANS. DR. FULTON’S BREACH OF COURTESY TO DR. SAMSON—APOLOGIZE OR BE EXCLUDED—-THE ROW CAUSED BY ‘‘THE SCARLET LADY” AND THE “BEAST OF THE APOCALYPSE.” “How good and pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity” was illustrated yesterday in the Baptist Ministers’ Conference. The brethren had a good time generally discussing the essay read by Dr, Samson a weok ago on the “Beast of Revelation. ‘The Doctor disappointed several of bis brothren who can’tsee a prophotic beast anywhere except in the Roman Catholic Church, out of which, in their view, nothing good can emanate, But Dr. Samson took the position that the “beast” was a principle and not # person, and he maintainod that that prin- ciple was the persceuting spirit which began long before the Christian era and in the time of Christ was located in the Jewish hierarchy in Jerusalem; was afterward taken up by civil power of pagan Rome and later by the eivil powcr of Christian Rome; that when the papal power suc- ceeded to the latter the “marks of the beast and the number of his name’? was transferred with the prin- ciple, and that the apocalyptic description was as ap- plicable to the persecuting principle and spirit of Puritanism in Old England and New:England as it is to Rome or Romanism, This was the position the Doctor maintuined yesterday also, and he put a “clincher” to his brethren when he asked them what they thonght the teaching of revelation would be on this point when Popery went down, as they believed it soon would, Of course when the man or the system dies the prophecy that refers to the man or the system will disappear too; but Dr. Samson maintains that no matter what system is up or down, what man reigns in Rome or Jorusalem, persceution of and hostility to the Church of Christ will never cease from the earth, Du. FULTON ON A HIGH Wonsk. So far the public will conceive Dr. Samson is right. And Dr. Hedden agreed with him, though he con: fessed that he hoped Brother Samson would have made it plain that the Church of Ronve is the beast, &e.—his own feelings leading him to apply the apoca: lyptic prophecies to her. Dr. Sheldon also ayreed with Dr. Samson’s interpretation. Dr, bod § did not, and Dr. Knapp did not. Exch of these good brethren read extracts, the former trou Secretary ‘Thompson's “Papacy and the Civil Power’ and the latter corre- spondences between Daniel's beast und John's. Brother Potter, the secretary, who presented such a favorable picture of the Catholic Church in Europe a few weeks ago, read from commentators to show that there are ulmost ax many and diverse views on this point as there are commentators. Drs. Lodge, Swan, Symonds and others, while they were pleased with Dr. Samson’s learned paper, did not agree with his conclusions. Dr. Eddy, Mr. Rhodes and others did not think the brethren kuew enough about the subject to discuss it, and Mr. Gessler believed it was an unknown land of prophecy that can be understood only in the light of fulfilled events. ‘The roll had been called, and the time for adjourn- ment arrived, and yet Dr. Fulton, who was boiling over for a chance to tell all he knew about Dr. Sam- son and the beast, had not had his chance. The time was extended, but Dr, Fulton could not be reached before adjournment. Five minutes more were tacked on for his special benetit. When he took the floor it was evident he had something murvellously grand or terrible to utter, He got off a string of names of fathers and writers ot the early Church to show that they applied St. John’s prophecies to the Roman Church and to nothing else. But he did not stop there. He was mad, evidently. He fired at Brother Potter for presuming to say that the Roman Catholic Church, which he insisted is not a Church of Christ at all, is all sufficient for the evangelizing of Europe. But he could excuse Brother Potter's youth. But that Dr. Samson, a man of years, scholarship and varied expericnce, should intimate that the Church of Rome was not the ‘beast’ and “the searlet lady” and “the man of sin” and all that was unendurable. 4 brother mildly suggested that tho ‘‘lady’’ and the “beast” on which she rode might not mean one and the same person or thing. But the Doctor was mad, He went on to say that after all it wus only what he might expect from a man who went all through our late war without once raising his voice for liberty, though occupying # prominent pulpit in the capital of the nation. No wonder that he should defend the Papacy. MINISIERS MAD—AN APOLOGY DEMANDED, When Dr. Fultou took his seat it was plain that the auntlet had been thrown down and some would fixe’ it up. It was lifted up by one, two, three, a dozen brethren, who at first protested against the mean advantage Dr. Fulton had taken of the courtesy of the Conference to so grossly insult Dr, Samson, whom they all loved and honored. Drs. Gillette and Eddy lived in Washington at the time referred to, and knew Dr. Sameon’s record, and they usked Brother Fulton to withdraw his offensive remarks. ‘Dr. Fulton Gumping up)—I will if he'll prove that he did speak for freedom. Dr. J. 8. Holmes—I move that Dr. Fulton be ex- cluded from this Conference unless he withdraws his* offensive remarks. Dr. Fulton—I have nothing to withdraw. Dr. Swan—I move a substitute that Dr. Fulton be kindly requested to apologize for the insult to Dr. Samson. Several brethren gathered around Dr. Fulton and tried to persuade him todo an act which Christian courtesy, not to say common courtesy and gentle- manly instinct ought to have prompted him to do, but they failed, The chairman did not wish to put the motion and thus bring the moral force of the Conference to bear on the Doctor. But it was no use, the motion was put, and the only apology Dr. Fulton made was an expression of regret that he should have taken advantage of the rehgious discussion to ring in a politica) matter. Several brethren tried to get the Doctor to withdraw his language, but he repeated it and defied the Conterence to frighten ‘one man by the name of Fulton.” He had no regret to offer for the insult to Dr. Samson, who took it very coolly, and said he had withstood that kind of charge for twenty years. But he referred the ry ere to his record in the War Department at Washington. Brother Gessler gave notice that unless Dr. Fulton Pepe for his insult both to Dr. Samson and to the Conference his (Gessler’s) membership in the latter would cease. He would not be a member ot any organization that could not protect itself from such insults. He protested most carnestly against Dr. Fulton’s conduct. Dr. Holmes also insisted that Dr, Fulton should apologize or be excluded. Dr. Fuiton put on a defiant air and remarked it was likely that he would never enter the Conference again. But no apology came and the Conference adjourned with mutterings of more to follow. PAYING FOR MASS. AN ANSWER TO ‘*IRAVELLER.” To tHe Eprror or tux HERALD:— In answer to yourcorrespondents who have written on the subject of free seats at mass, and particularly in answer to “Traveller,” I would like to say that he (“Traveller’’) must have had very little experience in the Catholic churches of this city and vicinity, particu- larly at the earlier masses. At those masses there are collectors at the door to receive the offeriugs from the rich, or those who feel willing or able to pay; but the poor, or even the rich, if they feel so in- clined, can enter without restraint or the payment of asingle cent. “Traveller” must understand that & good Catholic—-who wishes to hear muss * ancl may not have the means to pay—is not generally well enough dressed to show himeelf at the last masees, and therefore puts himself to the incon- venionce of an early riser—something, I presume, ee ia - stranger to. By giving a @ place in your valual you will greatly o : reper FR CATHOLIC LAMAN, DRIVING AWAY INQUIRERS, To rue Fprron or Tar Henanp:— Lnoticed a tew days since in the Hunatp a letter from a Catholic complaining of the way he was treated in his Church. This does not surprise me. I kuow from experience that one cannot get into a Catholic church very easily, Itis not very casy for any ono to “go in to scoff aud remain to pray.” I have been taught the Catholic priests were always on the lookout for proselytos. My experience tells me that they do all they can to prevent persons from joining their Church. One is supposed to feel the hovessity of becoming Catholic either by their sermons or the solemuity of their eervice; but if an inquirer is met at the door by a demand for money it has the effect of cooling Lim down considerably. T feel this a little hard, because Thad a wish to join their Church, but found so many difficulties that I was disheartened. Is it not strange that you can go into almost any Protestant church and the usher will come to meet you and conduct you to a svat? Mr, Bovcher said tho other day tat in his church there ‘were 300 free seats, It seoms to me that it should be optional with people to pay or not. Uf course if they take an interest in any church they will want to support it. If the Hxnacy would take this tn hand things would improve. A WOULD-BE CATHOLIC, A REJOINDER From “rRvTH.” To THe Eprron or THe Henanp:— Dr, Burtsell accuses me of saying what is untrue when I say that one cannot get in the church with- out paying. Any ouo interested in this can decide |° for themselves by applying for admission—-that is, if arrangements are the same as last Sunday, And, with all due respect for Dr. Burtsell, did not go to hitu, as a short time before I had been to the pricst’s howse and complained of the same doorkceper who had dragged me down the gallery stairs and thrust me out on the steps. The priest Lapplied to did not seom to think anything of it, and certainly gave me no satisfaction, sc t hed small encouragement to go again, It has been a subject of great regret to mo as # Catholic to appear to be in any way antagon istic to our respected clergy, but Ido not think it necessary, in order to be a good Catholic, to submit to the insults of subordinates; nor should I hayo mon tioned Dr. Burtsell in the matter if the sexton had not assured me that the men were acting under orders. TaUTh, HERALD, TUESDAY, JANUARY 21, 1879,-TRIPLE SHEET. DEMOCRATIC UNION. The Prospect of Fusion Among the Factions, A HITCH IN THE COMBINATION. Democrats and Republicans Mix. ing Like Oil and Water, ‘Yhat the opposing clemenis of the democratic party in this city must uliimntely come together, and that, too, at no distant period, hardiy admits of a doubt. ‘This event is now a uwtter of talk and speculation in democratic cireics, and men of weight and position in the party are giving the subject serious considera- tion, with a view to discovering the casiest and most effectual means of bringing about a tusion und ree- onciliation that will cause the least possible irrita- tion and prove strong and lasting. ‘The rank and file of the two parties, Tammany and anti-‘Tammany, aro in favor of union, and only those politicians whose ‘personal ambitions might be thwarted by such a con- summation stand in the way. A HERawp reporter found in a majority of instances at the City Hall yesterday that the anti-lammany people, who are now in the ascendant there, are well disposod to compromise with Tammany and heal up past differences. The fact is those democrats who have had to asso¢iate and work with republicans, while the latter appear to be re- ceiving or about to receive an undue share of patronage, aro not happy. If tt were all one party of domocrais the republicans would have no show whatever, not even as much as a messengership in the Board of Aldermen. Then thore was some tulk atthe Hall that the combination bas given rise to unpleasant feelings between, republicans and anti- Tammany democrats, the latter coinplaining that the former want too much compensation for their ser- vies It wes common talk that General Arthur and Mayor Cooper had a falling out ow account of the latter removing Mr. Linsay Howe from his position as Commissioner of Accounts, after giving, it was said, several of the republican leaders to understand that he would be retained; but Mayor Cooper denied this. In his place was appointed a friend of A. B. Cornell's, named William Pitt Sherman. Conkling, it is claimed, was foremost in urging Howes’ retention, to oblige Arthur, while Cornell, who’ was supposed to bea bosom friend of each of these men and would do nothing to give them the slightest uneasiness, was looking out hard and fast for the su ful instal- ment in the office of his own protégé. The democrats who talked yesterday over this matter in the corri- dors of the City Hall were a good deal disgusted. “Darn it,” said one, “the republicans have already got two-thirds of the offices around here, and the thing ought to be stopped. “T tell you what it is,” cried General Spinola, look- ing sideways over a wall of shirt collar, “if you want to get this democratic party together again you had Detter Iet ‘em have the offices. Here's Cooper gone and give two Police Commissionerships to the republicans when he should have given them to the democrats. That's just the way to break up his own party and make the republicans strong. Let him just make it a demo- cratic Police Board, and if the Legislature interferes the Governor can clap # veto on ’em. If you want to have a united democratic party in this city you must give ’em the patronaye they are entitled to.”” “But what good would that patronage be to Tam- many Hall, General?” asked a bystander. ‘hat ain’t the point,” testily answered the General, “jt’s in the family anyhow, and not in the hands of any darned republican.” TOO MANY REPUBLICAN OFFICE-HOLDERS, ‘There was some talk, too, about the intended removal of Charles F. Wood, Supervisor of the Ctiy Record, @ republican also, und » fricnd of General Arthur, who is engaged in making a hard fight for his reten- tion, “I never knew there were so many republicans stuck around h-re,” said a certain Alderman in Colonel ‘Cwomey’s room yesterday., “I don’t think a repub- liewn office-holder ought to be within a mile of the City Hall, which should belong holus bolus to the democratic party—the great old party that never was beaten until a few snipper snappers: left it and picked up with republican soreheads.” “I guess,” observed another City Father, ‘this will be the last year the republicans will make any rofit out of democratic wrangling. I think and ope we'll all get together soon again, and times won't be as bad as they are.” “‘Them’s my sentiments,” said a mon standing by, “and them’s mine too,” said another. ‘The reporter saw Mayor Cooper, who was all amia- bility, and asked him if he knew of any movement being on foot of the kind already .indicated, The Mayor read the report of the matter in question and said he was really unaware of anything of the sort being contemplated. He was evidently disposed to be reticent and appeared to look with horror on the idea of being drawn into an interview on such a sub- ject. He referred the reporter to his private secretary, Colonel James E. Morrison, a well posted authorit; on all matters appertaining to anti Tammany poll- tics. The Colonel said, on being asked what he thought of the rumor about a movement being on toot to bring around a union between the two demo- cratic wings :—‘“I don’t think there is any substantial foundation for the story. I know of no movement on our side and I have heard of none on the other looking in that direction; but, still, I feel assured that every honest democrat would like to see all dif- ferences in the party buried out of sight and all on the deck of the same ship together. “How is that to be brought abou “simply enough, by the action of the great body of democrats themselves. We cannot go into Tammany fiall and accept of the continuance of the same ma- chinery that has governed and still governs there. ‘That wust first be got rid of, for it creates an auto- crat in spite of every precaution. No matter who cupied ¢] PR ong of John Kelly he would be com- pelled to as Kelly does. That is the inevitable consequence of the peculiar form of organization on which Tammany Hail is based.” LITELE CHANCE OF UNION, “Then there is no immediate prospect of a union?” “Not unless Taminany, in the language of the reso- lutions passed at Irving Hall last Saturday night, sur- renders its assumed control of politics and that ‘Tammany Hall be opened to the use of all democrats, ‘There is Le Objection on our side to individuals, but to the system which makes it possible for one'man to control the wishes of 100,000 voters and make of himself a despot even against his inteutions. ‘the crats all over the State hope that a union will be ted, as the national issuce this time will be of t es an the democracy will have all can do to hold their own.”” ‘rhe Colonel here read the paragraph in tho Henatp abont Mayor Cooper and General Chester ‘A. Arthur being at logaeronds about the removal of Linsay Howe and suid, “I don't know anything about it, Guess there is nothing in it. VIEWS OF KELLY AND HIS MEN. e reporter Mt if any man ought to know wi er a movement like what Las been mentioned was on foot, Mr. John Kelly id be the man to know, and he accordingly repaired to that gentte- man’s official sanctum in the County Coart House, aud, after waiting until he saw more politicians come go than it would be possible hake a stick at, ushered into the preseace of the Big lajun him- Mr. Kelly, are you aware,” asked the intruder, movement being on hand to unite the opposing “ot elements of the democratic party?” “I have heard of such a movement answered the gravely onderous Comptroller, “but 1 kuow about it.” weriously asked you to enter into such Nobody at all.” “Then you consider it is @ mere sousational ru- mor ?"* “There is nothing in it,” replied Mr. Kelly em- phatically, and that ended the dialogue, Colonel Thomas Dunlap, Commissioner of Jurors, was in a thoughtful yet communicative mood. Ad- justing his gold-rimmed glasses he took up an cx- tract from the Henan relating to @ prospect of com- promise botween Lammeny and anti-Lammmuny, and, reading about how @ general cry is raised by the democratic leaders in feyor of a union of all the ele- monts of the party as to recover their lost power next fall, exclaimed, “Well, now, that is a suygestive paragraph. 1 am éatistiod the’ mussex of the demo- cratic party are in favor of union, and it is bound to come when we have got to face the next great contest tor the Presidency, The people don’t want any per- sonal differences to interfere with the good of the party, and they will demand a coming. together for e common cause Whoa the tine arrives. “What stands in the way of a union?” “Not much. There are men, —— who think more about gratifying their own ambition than of promoting the welfare of the party. They are jealous and aspiring, and if their wishes are not grati- fed they are disposed to sow dissonsion and use the party for their own selfish interests, Such men will not be allowed to stand in the way of a yrand union ot the democracy. ‘They will be swept away lil chatf before the wind when the proper time comes. “ts Mr. Kelly disponed to help slong this union?” “Decidedly. I believe that speech he delivered at the Lotos Club exactly expresses his sentiments, be- cause I bave heard hin ta private give expression to the same views. Hv 1s too patriotic to place himself in the way of obstructing a movement that is for the benefit of the whole party, local and national.” Bie aa euppose ‘or Cooper is equally weil dis- “L do. Cooper is nloyal democrat and so is his fatuer, Way, be was the best part of his bile in Tam many Hall, and he cannot forget it at once, He re- ceived some of the highest honors of the organiza- tion, and was tendered the nomination for Mayor at the time.O'Brien aud Ha yer ran, but he was about going to Eurepe with his wife and was forced | to decline, and the momination was given to Law- pence.” “Do you hope for the return of Mayor Coo} to the fold of Tanmaan od / wes “Most assuredly. He will never be content to associate with the hetorogeucous crowd that at pres- ent surrounds him, He knows and feels the tras tions of the democratic party and the Tammany So- and he will in due time return to his fixvet Colonel, of a difference | he republican “Have you heard any thi between Mayor Cooper and leaders?" ‘| “Why, yes. ‘Those are the troubles that break up such unnatural alliances, Thoy have some nines now about an appointment, Ubelieve, of Coumissione Acconnts, and that is ouly the beginning of the bick- crings and wrangles. No, the democrats are best off by themselves."” THE FIERCE FELLOWS, Colonel John X, Fellows, the Hotspur ‘Tamuran; uniting Injun of y must be abolished andithy building ering Hal! ov Steinway Hall, “But you sald had the chanee, with wn air of m “We are not goin, nty sight abont him when you urked the other, walking off indignation. | to unite with Tammany Hall,” resumed the Colonel, vo doh Kelly another opportunity to erack the whip overus. We have had an experience of that sort of thing thut we don’t care to have repeated, and we are going to remain to our- selves until we can do better.” Ex-Senator Francis M. Bixby said:—“I believe the poople in both ele of the party cre anxious for a union and vill be likely to force. the political snun- agers to make one us the time approaches tor the Presidential ciection. Tam still opposed to Tannmany Hall and its secret inachinery and untocratic doings, } the information until the but I believe that will fall be ore the force of public opinion, and we shull have a united democracy here before another year.” RIVAL CANDIDATES. THE CONTEST BETWEEN GEORGE HALL AND JACOB A, HATZEL FOR THE SEAT FOR ALDER- MAN IN THE SIXTH SENATORIAL DIsTRICT— MORE REVELATIONS. ‘The further hearing in the contest between Alder- man Hall and Jacob A. Hatzel, who ran together on the Tammany ticket for District Alderman in the Sixth Senatorial district last election, was had yester- day at Jefferson Market Police Court, before Judge Wandell. ‘the object of the investigation, it will be remembered, is to ascertain whether there is sufficient ground on which to entertain @ complaint against the inspectors of clection in the Eleventh Election district of the Eighth dis- trict—Messrs. Thomas Boland, W. E. Hall, Michael Murphy and Cornelius Foley—who are accused by the Hatzel faction with having falsified the returns on the night of election, 80 as to give George Hall 200 votes and Hatzcl 23, whereas it is claimed that the figures should be 130 and 93, Al the tast hearing, before the same Judge, about two weeks ago, @ certificate signed by the above imentioncd inspector was brought from Police Head- quarters by Officer Hildenbrandt, and was said to have been sent over by Chief Clerk John J. O'Brien, of the Bureau of Eicctions, as having been in his custody since the day after election. It stated that the total vote cast in said election district was 207, of which Hall reccived 130, Hatzel 93, Strach 70, Kenny 85, Hock 4 and Hoffman 4. Mr. Purdy, counsel for the accused inspector, refused to admit this document in evidence, unless it was identified or proven to be a record. Consequently the case was adjourned until yesterday, when Chief Clerk John J. O’Brien was put upon the stand and testified that the paper was part of the record of the office snd came in the usual way to him. Counsellor Waehner, for tie prosecution, then called his attention to another envelope, which was carefully tied, sealed and indorsed by the poll clerk, J.J. Very, of the election district in question, as being the faithful record of the vote polled in his district iast election day. This envelope Mr. O'Brien declined to open and it was shown that it never had been opened since election day. REMARSABLE ADDITION. It was then, on motion of counsel, handed to Judge Wandell, who opened and found it to be the poll clerk's tally of the count for all candidaies voted ‘or last November, Turning to the District Alder- man Judge Wandell read the result of the canvass For Hall, 200; Hatzel, 23; Strach, 70: Kenny, 85; Hock, 4, and Hoffman, 4. Total, 207. “Now, Your Honor,” said Counseller Waehner, “I ask that this paper be admitted tn evidence.” “I don’t sve any objection to that,” said Counsellor Purdy. “This, Mr. O’Brien, is the tally required to be filed by law, is it not?” “Yes, sir.” “I won't keep this document hero, gentlemen. It had better go buck to Headquarters. Therefore we'll just tuke the figures and send the paper bac! Judge Wandell. “I want Your Honor to take that total down. It is somewhat remarkable. How could Mr. Hall, the ‘Tammany candidate, get 200 votes and his opponent t 70 when only 207 were cast altogether?” remarked said g Mr, Waehner. “WHICH HE WISHED TO EXPLAIN."’ Lawrence Clody, who, testified on the previous ex: amination that he had witnessed the count in the Eleventh Election district of the Eighth Assembly district on election night, asked permis-ion to make an exp anation of some of his statements. He was al- lowed to go on the stand again, and tmmediately pro ceeded to relute that he saw eighteen tallies of ten votes each counted for Hall and Hatzel on the night in ques- tion; three ballots for both and thirty-seven paste and scratch tickots for Hall “Now, Your Honor, I y what he means. ‘Ho *waid Mr. Purdy. hat are you driving at, Clody ?” “It's very casy to see What the witness means. He an cighteon tallies for each. I'm sure im half as many votes as that. : Said Counsellor Wachner—“Don't you mean —” “Now, now! my learned friend ninst not prompt or sugyest to this gentleman, who wants to make a voluntary explanation,” said Mr. Purdy. “Mr, Purdy confused meso much the last time that Idid not know what I was saying,” grumbled the witness. “L respectfully submit to Your Honor that I can- not sce why the,cause of justice should be allowed to suffer because of this witness’ stupidity,” ob- jected Mr. Wachner. “It is evident that he cannot mean to state that 360 votes were cast tor t. We never claimed that. He must mean that nine—" “Hold on! Hold on, there!” quickly interposed Mr. Purdy. “If this thing is going to be di the witness to tell ex- d tar differently the last Task that this witness be sont out of the room. For, while my learned friend may'think him stupid, 1 do not think he is quite so much so a8 not to be able to take a hint.” nt out of the room, and duiing veed that counsel on either side wil and let Judge Wandell ques- | and, if possible, get out of him, wituout exuctly what ho meant. )DY SUDDENLY REMEMBERS, ed, Clody, with a brighter counte ner, took the stand and said, N wish to correct my mistake en tallies all the time, wh that is, nine tallies of ten tickets , three ballots for both and thirty-seven scratch tickets, Here followed more cross-examination by Mr. Purdy, and Clody became hopelessly entanyled again, pclew many poll clerks were there?” said Mr. urdy. he law only allows two. Did they keep tally?” don't know, sir.” iktu't you testify to His Honor, here, that you saw then doing s “Not as [iknow on. Did I, Your Honor?” ter.) “Well, who did keep tally?’ did.” (Laugh- 01 “Or course I can. “If you can’t do it any better than what you have already testified to there's not much in it.”” Mr, Waehuner here moved for a further adjoura- ment on the ground that he had been unable to reach an important wituess, who had been kept out of the wey. by persons on the other side unknown to Mr. Purdy. ‘This gentleman thought suMicient time had been wasted on the examination already merely for the purpose of placing # stigma on the characters of the inspectors Who would have to go before the Board of Aldermen tn the coming contest for Mr, Hall's seat. Judge Wandell, however, adjourned the case until to-day. COMMISSIONER HOWE'S REMOVAL, Mayor Cooper yestorday denied the statements made by Mr. Lindsay Howe to the effect that promise was made to the latter gentleman not to re move him from his position as Commissioner of counts. The Mayor states that he made no such promise whatever, either directly or indirectly. Mr. Howe may have coine to his house on the 16th of No- vember last, as he says he did, but neither then nor subsequently was there @ promise made to retain him, On one occasion when Mr, Howe called on the Mayor he presented lettets from Senator Conkling, General Arthur, William &, and other pfomi: nent gentlemen recommending nim for the witteh he then ‘ocenipied. Some st tivaounan spe Aunde @ particular request was tinned moved, and as they represonto! the opinions of mon of weight and inthicnce as yood citizens of the eliy Mayor Cooper promised to take the matter into cou- sideration. Ni ¢ the ever ieee weal of Mr. Howe, no\- appeated to themselves personally in withstanding the statements that have the contrary. Mr. Howe, it appears, wae asked by the Mayor, only a few days before his removal, for a list of the warrants on the Finance that had becn examined by him, The 6 ee Cooper also called for 4 description of these ts as well as for a detailod statement of the work done by Mr. Howe in preparing the Le gd annual report of the operations of bureau, ‘The Commissioner, however, in his answer to the Mayor's "request ‘refused to give snpletion of the entire report. Mr. Cooper sent the auswer of Mr. Howe back to that gentleman, and made another request for the informativa. Mr. Howe, it 18 said, never re- ceived this second note, but the information was fur nished the Mayor by his colleague. Mr. Howe wae removed two days afterward, and the reennre was filled by the appointment of Mr. William Pitt Shear- . ‘The fricuds of Mr. Howe that he was harged because he refused to make a report to Mayor Cooper ugainst the management of the Fi- munce Departinent, but this story is denied by the ay rwe stated yosterday that he was willing to affidavit to the effect that the Mayor prom- 1, in his home on Lexington avenue, on November 16 last, not to remove him trom his office. 2 THE COMMISSIONERS OF EMIGRATION, REPORT OF WORK DONE IN 1878—CONSIDERABLE INCREASE. LN THE NUMBER OF IMMIGRANTS— AN ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION OF TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS ASKED FOR. ‘The annual report of the Commissioners of Emigra- tion of the State of New York for the year ending De- vember 31, 1878, will be presented to the Legislature to-day. This is the thirty-second report sinee the estublishinent of the Commission and the sixth in which the present Board has discharged the im- portant trast committed to its keeping. ‘The total number of passengers Jandod at the port of New York from foreign countries during the year 1878 was 121,369, a large and unexpected increase after along period of diminished immigration. Of this number 75,347 were aliens, while 46,022 were citizens or persons who had before landed at some port of the United States. This shows again for the past year in the number of aliens arriving at this port of 20,811, ‘The number of passengers who came by steerage or third clazs during 1878, and thereby came under the immediate care of the Board, was 83,801. ‘The follow- ing shows the destination of these immigrants throughout the United States:—The totals show that 40,586 reported their intended destination as the State of New York, 7,855 the Middle States, 33,653 the West- ern aud Northwestern States, 4,921 the Eastern States, Southern States; 1,011 went to Canada and 97 to South America, ‘THE BUREAU OF INFORMATION, During the year 65,352 pieces of baggage were landed ut Castle Garden. Through the Bureau of In- formation 29.748 passengers haye been enabled to communicate with their resident relatives and friends. ‘There have been few complaints of extor- tion by boarding house keepers, owing to the strict rules of the Commission requiring those persons to provide suitable board and lodying tor the emigrants, and in cach instance of violation of the rules the offender has been punished. During the past year there wore 3 deaths and 7 births in the local hos- pital ut Castle Garden, while 1,739 received treatment, ‘The oficial statistics for the past year show @ con- siderable increase in the number obtaining employ- ment through the Labor Bureau, the total bei 10,538, of which number 5,623 were males and 4,941 femules. The females as a xencral rule were engaged us house servants, while of the malvs 74 secured me- chanical and proressional exiployinent and 4,829 were hired as farm hands and common laborers, During the past year 8,515 meals were issued and an advance of $6,349" made to assist in paying the cost of trans- porting destitute immigrants to their relatives or to places where employment hud been found for them. Friends or emp.oyers of these immigrants have re- funded tothe Commission of this only the sum of $4,704 60. Through this charitable arrangement 1,408 persons have been sent inland or to Europe during the pust year by the Commission. WARD'S ISLAND. During the past year it became necessary to expend a larze sum ot money for painting and geucral repairs on the State Emigrant Retuge and Hospital on Ward’s Island, as for several years past but little could be doue in this way, owing to the very limited amount ot funds at the disposal of the Board. nber B1, 1877, there were 230 pationts in the hospitaia, During 1878 there were 1,847 admitted and 89 children were born alive in the institution. During the year the total number under treatment was 2,175, of which 1,918 were dischurgea and 70 died, leaving on the 3ist of December, wlt., 187 inmates, The cases under treatment in the surgical division number 1,052, of which 899 were cured and discharged and 5 died. At the beginuing of the year there were 124 patients in the Avylum for the Insane, of whom 64 were males and 60 females, During the yoar there were 59 ad- mitted, making the whole number of putients 183. Of these 16 were discharged enred, 30 were improved, 38 were unimproved and 8 died. ‘The number remain- ing on the ist of December, 1878, was 85. THE NATIONALITY OF THE IMMIGRANTS ON WARD'S ISLAND. ij On the Ist day of January, 1878, the whole number of immigrants on Ward's Island was 677—51 less than at the same date of the year previous, During 147% there were 2,910 admitted, of Which number 526 still remained on the 31st ot December. ‘The natio: of those admitted was:—Germany, 1,4! # 3; Italy, 235; England, 130; Russia, 10; Austria, Switzerland, 93; ¥ a Denmark, 34; Po- ungary, 29: Belgium, 3; Canada, 10; China, 2; West nd 63 children born and re- At the present time a portion of the lands under water and fronting the State property at Ward's Island is offered for sale by the owners, and it these Jands could be obtained for a ressonable sum the Commissioners recommend that they be purchased by the State. ‘THE RECEIPTS AND EXPENDITURES. Of the appropriation of $150,000 made by the Legis- lature to mect the expenditures of the from May 1, 1878, to May 1, there has been expended nding December 31, 1878, The cash balance on hand January 1, and the receipts during the year 450 22, muking the total $158, its wery $157,066 71, leaving a cash balance on hand Decem ‘Bl, 1878, of SLl6t 19. The indebtedness of the Board—which has been ac- cunulating since the month of May, 1871, when the commutation fee was reduced from $2 560 to $1 50 per passenger, and in consequence of decreased immigra- tion proved entirely inadequate to meet the expenses of the Commission—is presented herewith :— Due Emiyraut Industrial Savings Bank, bond and mortyage......cecceeee «$200,000 Due for rent of landing de, 36,000 for the eight months $110,830 5 Due cities, towns and counties of the State for support of immigrants « 105,008 Due Eungrant fund account. 13,258 The estimate for the maintenance from one year, from May 1, 1819, of the Siute Emigrant Hospital, Refuge tor the Destitute and Asylam for the Insane ac Ward’s Island, is fixed at $85,000. The estimate for the maintenance of the Castle Garden landing depot, $40,000, and $25,000 for other expenses, making the grand totel $150,000, An additional appropriation of $20,000 is asked by the Board for the prese jon of the buildings on Ward's Island--some forty in number—and for re- pairs to dock and buggage room at Castle Garden. In conclusion the report states that by direction of the Leyislature a bill \o reguiate timmigration hag been presented to Congress and also a memorial from the Commissioners. It has already passe’ the House of Representatives and is now before the Committec on Commerce of the Senate. SUPERVISOR OF THE CITY RECORD. ‘Tho question as to whether Mr. Charles F. Wood will be removed from his position as Supervisor of the City Record is at prosont agitating the politicians about the City Mail, The position is a very re sponsible one, and the incumbent, besides having charge of the publication aud management of the City Record, has control over all contracts for sta- tionery to be used by the various departments and dareans of the city goverument. in the latter re- spect the Supervisor's action is subject to # Board c¢ mposed of the Mayor, the Commissioner of Public Works aud the Corporation Counsel, It is said that Mr. Wood has not managed the burean in such manner as to seenre the support of his periors, who passed a resolution @ few days since, in secret session, requesting him to resign his place, This course, however, was subsequently reconsidered and Mr. Wood was asked to present reasons by yesterday afternoon why he should uot be removed. The Supervisor made an- swer to the Board that he had not received the noti- fication in time to make a suitable reply and asked that further time be given him in which he could dotend himself. This the Board agreed to do and Mr. Wood will have an opportunity to-day to make his defence. The Mayor pronounces the report that Mr. Wood Was removed from his position on Friday last false. No yote on the subject was taken nor did the matter come up in that shape, ‘The Board resolved to ive the Supervisor # hearing and accordingly notified him ot theirdecision. ‘Tbe Corporation Counsel could not have asked to have the vote clanyed on the ques- tion of removing Mr. Wood, and as a matter of fact ho did not do so. WHO WiLL SUCCRED HIM? In case Mr. Wood is removed it is probable that Mr. Thomas Costigan, ox-Assembiyman from this city, will be asked to take the position, His friends have been for some time past working hard to obtain the place for him. Tho adherents of the present Supervisor, however, intend to make a sti effort for his retention, and Geveral Arthur cad other in- fluential republicans have interested ia his (vd Mr, Wood is not eral Art! been a jowe be not re- | tivm to wtormer partuer vf the