The New York Herald Newspaper, April 18, 1877, Page 3

: NEWYORK HERALD, WEDNESDAY, REVELATION OR APOCRYPHA ? —-_——_ Tweed’s “Confession” Yet a Sealed Book to the Public. EFFECT OF A COOKED STORY. Showers of Denials and Avalanches of Explanations. WOODIN WAXETH WROTH. “Is the Colossal Malefactor to Con- vict a Statesman?” Jeha 7. Hoffman, Hogh Hastings, “ike” liver et al. Deny and Denounce. TWEED CHARTER GHOST STORIES. Legislators of the Past and Present De- cry, Defy and Deprecate. “HORACE TOLD ME TO DO IT” “He Could Get What He Wanted Without Us.” (et raxscuarn to THe HERALD.) Aimast, April 17, 1877, ‘The preposition made tothe Attoracy General by ‘Tweed—tnat be was prepared to give up all bis prop- ‘erty, ‘etl ail about hus accomplices and be a good and fanbiui witness for the peoplo—naturalty enough treated sume exeivement bere, where there are some ten oF twelve members of both houses who voted tor bis famous cuarier of 1870. The ev-callea contession ‘® YOUr comtemporary was so deftly dovetailed into S} copes of Iweed’s proposition as given to the cor- Terpondents of the press by bie lawyer, Mr. John D. Townsend, that many wore deceived iio beiveving thet the confession sent trom bere was really what ‘Tweed wade to (he Attorney General. To the initiaed 1h te Detdiews 60 suggest Lbat the alleged confession ‘Was prepared im New York from the drippings of Mr. Tweed's conversations in Ladiow Street Jail, Sull % was an ingenious sensation, and took ‘Well for the day. Hut 1 ts Bet the confersion that the Attorney General bas in his possession, and which iutends to keep under joek aud key until he sees his ‘Way to making proper and cifective useof u. What ‘the Attorney General bolas may ve guessed at by any e¥erace Dewspaper reader who bas fullowed tne devel- opments of the Ring conspiracy a* they have ap- peared from time to time, The Attorney General bas documents enovgh to keep him busy tor awhile, bat, as be says himself, be thinks it would be both rue! and uujust to nocept ail of (bem as uBimpeacba- able provis of crimivaiity. WHAT THE ATTORNEY GesmRAL #4\ Meeting bim this afternoon tn bts office, | asked him, “You uave very likely read the reported copicssion of published in New York?” “Ves,” he rephed, “but all, except porbaps one atate- | ment, in that so-called confession | have board timo end again” “What is that one statement!’ JUVGE FOLGER EXCULVATRD. -“The statement in reterence to Judge Folger, of the Court of Appesis, | never betore heard thas Tweed Paid money to Judge Folger. As yet | bave not read ‘the documents given me by Mr. Yownsend, because they cover a great deal of paper avd ure in manu- script. Bat when Judge Folger drow my StHention to the printed statement in regard to bim, 1 ginuced through the papers aud found that Tweed eotirely excepts Judge Folger from Deing the recipient of any money at bis bands, intend- fog, Be doubt, to exculpaic bim trom chrtain vagu Charges that were formerly set afloat concerning the dodge being indebted to Tweed ior his election SOT THE RKAL CONPREMON. “Then you lvok upon tuis printed contession as being Pimply crystalization of the current gossip?" “ Nothing more than that. 1t is impossible it could be otherwise, for the reason that Mr. Towasead only errived here yesterday. Alter his arrivai he sent me word that if convenient he desired to see me, and feel ing Gnwoll | requested that be might postpone bis call @ntil to-day. Mr. Townsend certainly did not give this alleged cvnfession to anybody, and eveo im the interest of his chent it would be injadicious for him to dose, But ve best eviience that he did pot do so from this statement in reierence to Judge Folger, the ogly one | lave had, as yet, tine to ii tigate.” THE OLD STORY, SIMPLY, “Could you ict me have the juli text of Tweed’s Propositions?’’ “Why, it s merely the same as what he addressed to Mr, Charlies O’Conor, Accompanying it are vari- fous documents, vi waich lam uvt prepared to rpeak, and even if I were | doubt the propriety of the prose- Cution making public what im such cases is invariably Kept private tuaid the ends of justice.”’ NUNTING UP PACTS FiasT, “How long do you suppose, Mr. Pairobild, it will take you to put the machinery of ihe law in operativa Agtinst those accomplices of Tweed t” ‘That 18 Impossible to tell, 1 will not proceed before the proots are convincing to my mind There wa large mass of papers, but not necessarily a lerge mane Of prool, There bas to be investigation in many quar- Vers before these siatemeuts MY possession bring home conviction, Where that i moratly certain | ‘Will act, but nothing will be done at random." 4 TALK WITH MR TOWNSEND, Betore be lett tor Now York | asked Mr, Townsend what be thought of the coulersion, aud be enewered, “Except one or two statements there is nothing wew fn it, We bave been hearing of these charges and of the very mon who are charged for severs! years past, Dut the story bappensto come aw at the ernical moment, and from its circumstantial appearance 4 @eems genuine.'’ “But no doubt it contaius some facts embraced tn the documents you surrendered to the Atiorney Gen- eralty “It does in a way, but the Attorney Weneral could fever take action on such a confession oe that, 1 ture Dished him with checks, Vouchers, memoranda aod letters, and even with these it will take bits some time to determi where @ clear sod winning case can be established. Rowen Bished by me to the press exept ‘y of Tweed's proposition bien all papers received. 1 bave copies of what I gave the Attorney General, but woul he newer me of ‘willingaess to let them be publiehea | cannot allow them to appear.” JACOUS OF THAT TWEED VoTR In regard to the vote to 1 a the Tweed Charter, Benator Jacobs said be did not want to be interviewed, but suvsequentiy remarked that there was & poimt which, so far, every ove had overlooked There w no fight over the Tweed charter, The ight was over the young democracy charier, whieh at that time everyone supposed Would pass, but sevoral democrats | deserting their cause 11 fell through and then came the other one. All tho reformers, iwcluding Horace Greeley and Dorman 1, Kavon, were here favoring it, fad it was the demvcrats who voted agaios it who ‘were suspected of being influenced. If any one was it would be an interesting thing to refer to the New York republican press of 1870 and see bow 4 stood ia felation to what you call the Tweed charter, HORACE GREKLEY ASKED SELKKEG TO VOTE, Sovator Selkreg eaid:—-"'l vowed for what i called he Tweed churter on the personal solicitation of bir. | & proper election law for the city of New York. There was a” diversity of opinion at the time, asd I consulted with Mr, Greeley as I would with any friend who assumed to know all about the city of New York. That explains my con- nection with the Tweed charter and that 1s ail there wasabout it, There were ninety-six votes in the As- sembly for is ana this fact, when but sixty-five votes were necessary to pass the charter, disproves the idea that all ite supporters were purchased, There wero only two Votes against it tu the Senate, What would be the use of buyiug thirty votes when but seventoca were needodt z Senator Morrissey said, ‘I’ve read tho story about the Tweed charter, and all !’ve got to say ts tbat, it any one received @ doliar traudulently, or indirectly, 1! ‘should be exposed and punish: L never got a dollar out of the city treasury in my life. While these f were stealing | was fighting them all the time. There is nothiue new, however, atter who it bits. { can tell yor one thing about Woodin, though, be laughs ut i,” HUSTED SERS NOTHING WRONG IN 17. Jimmy Husted, the bald eagle of Westchester, said, “1 voted for the ebarter, as did Governor Alvord ond Mr. Littiegoho, 2 pes!) racer mock about New York city matters only been hero w year. I voted at the solicitation and on the recommendation of Mr. John i. White, the only republican member of the Assembly trom New York city. 1 didn’t see anything wrong about the charter, and, furthermore, I don’t see anything wrong about it now, The trouble was with the men who ad- ministered it, You know who drew it, don’t you! [t was Judge Edmonds. By the way, the entire re- ublican press of the city was in ‘or of it, i) 1 remember correctly. Tho vote given by a morning paper on th massage of the charter ja wrong That Vote was on ordering the bill toa third On its Gna: pessage there were only tive reading. against it, Reamer, of Yi » Wright, of Ontario; Walker, of Genesee, and Murphy, o! New York, Murphy being the only democrat. Horace Grecley suid to me then, ‘Husted, it I'd been a member of the Assembly I'd have voted the sate as you did,’ and he added, ‘but 1 think we will beat ‘em in the Senate,’ * A GRERK MEMBER, Mr, J. V. Bawer, of Wastington county, said:— py + no on to make or information to ive. fn'ts70 1 sented the same district that 1 jo uow. Ih was second term here, but I was only twenty-tive yearg of age, and I formed the habit of following the lead of Messrs, Alvord and Littiejohn, ‘There was scarcely any opposition to it tn the Hous and at thattime I didn’t suppose there was any objece ton 10 it,” “OLB GALT’! STATEMENT, Thomas G. Alvord said:—‘l voted for the Tweed j charter of 1870 under compulsion. | fought tt all the way through till I found myseif deserted by the leaders, by Littlejohn, Husted and Selkreg; but then I suc ceeded in beating 81x or seven other damned bills of thetrs to put republicans out ot office in New York, and when, as it is alleged, the vast sum of $800,000 was spent to carry through the churtor of that year.” NOT A CENT YOR Nacht Ma: Martin Nachtman said it was trao voted for the charter in 1870; out so did every other democrat, ex- | cept a fow soreheads, who boionged to tue party of | the young democracy. He received no money for bis | vote, and jooked Bone, because he was voting with bis party. BIXBY AND O'HBIRN—A LEGITIMATK TRANSACTION. Sonavor Bixey ‘said in relation to the alleged state- ment of Mr, Tweed that be never oad fifteen minutes’ conversation with Tweed in his whole lite, The facts Of the case were simply that Mr. Jumes O’Brien has a | claim aguinst the city amounting to $300,000, and, wishing to raise somo money, vue-hall iuierest 1m tho claim was soli to Tweed tor $20,000 in cash aod some mortgages on uplown lots, and | in consummating this walo 1 acted us Mr. U'Brien’s attorney. Nothing was said by mo nor, to my knowl- edge, by Mr. U'Brien in connection with this transac- ion with reference to immunity being offered to Mr. | Tweed or to a stoppage of the investigation which was then going on, [t was purely u business transaction, entirely legitimate 10 ite character. No one would be foolish enough to delieve that any human puwer could sop the investigation which was then pend- ing, and so far as { um concerned I had no desire to accomphsh any such purpose even if 1 could. ‘The Tammany people ut that time, as they have been since, were o| i to me and 1 was to them. The very first mecting which was held in the city of New York to tically denounce the frauds o Tammany Hall was held ut Brevoort Hall, at that meeting I presited, aud at that | tim ¢ Was almost as much as a man’s hie was worth vo that position, I have been a persistent and consistent oppoveut of the Tammany King and Tam- many Hall ever ain 1 beld no public position at fr me of this trausaction, and my rela- ton to it shoald not be criticized, BX-MENATOR THAYER, At the time the charter was before the Legislature Mr, Franow 5, Thayor represented the Keussaleer dis- the State ate, und he and Senator Harry G ere the only Senators who voted against Mr. Tweea’s great scheme, Mr. Thayer, who resides in Troy, was called upon by your cor- responuent this evening with tho View of ascei 1g bis opinion of Mr. Tweed’scoutession, The nator was not inclined to say much ubout the Ring teguslation. Duriug the time that 1 was suid Mr. Tweed owned the islature he performed his duties conscientiously and wanted to believe thut his brother Senators did the same. His op- ‘position wo was on motives which be sufliciont to gure hin in hia of. ctl ction. As regurus tbe charge of corruption brougut by Twoed against soine of the prominent Sena- tors und other oficiata Mr. Thuyer did not wish to ve opposition to the him ow 4& peculiar position, reat “Boss” had ‘squealed’? he did xed UD in any of their squabbies correspondent, however, was favored with @ mn statement, prepared by himself, containing all that be wished tosay op the subject. Mr, Thayer's statement is as follows REASONS FOR OPPOSITION, During the pendency of the charter I opposed it, because 1 thought | was doing toe best thing for the city of New York. 1 thought that the charter Conlerred too much power on the Bo of Aadit, and might lewd to great = tri in con- the various departments under which 1 republican Senators had caucus over the charter; I stood ulone in oppositio The other Senators favored its possage, expressing conviction that it Mr. Tweed could have his charter a very stringeut Registry law would be adopted whico would be beneficial tw the republi- can party, On this question tho caucus were qeite unanimous and the charter was reported favorably, On the strength of this representation the charter was passed v quickly alior it came betore the Committee of the Whole, but during the time that it was before the Senato I offered u score or so ot amendments which were calculated to modity its pow: rs. All these atmenaments were swiltly voted down aod the charter was hurriedly passed. As regards M iweed's implication of certain Senators as recipients 01 bribes through Mr, Winslow, | know nothing. UKAKD MONRY WAS USED. Mr, Thayer says be heard rumors that money had deen used to grease the wheels of legislation, but he is unwilling to believe that bis brother Senators acted from corrupt motives on the unsuppyried statement of Mr, Tweed. CounesronpEent—Were you ever approached by Mr. Tweed of any of bis lobbyisisy Mr, Thaven—Never, ciiber by implication or othet Connesroxpert—Did you not think 1t strange that other Senators did wot take the same view that you did of the eharter? stoud comparatively alone, conduct ws the result of ai bat i did wot impute their ¥ improper influeuce. Conntaroxorst—Do you believe that money was end oy Mr. Tweed to corrupt members of the Legisla- ture 1 bave no right to believe such a because 1 have had no proof of their corrup- were rumors—! her 0 UY great measure ts before U bo right to suspect a man ua- 4nd specitic charge. | —Your oppoation was made exciu- | @¥ely O8 the supportiion that the charter would lead vo Iraud Mr. Taavan—Certainly ; nothing else. ConmeeroxDEsT—Did you prophesy the result? Mr. Taaven—Not mm the Sepate, | verily beiieved that Mr Tweed hed some hidden motive in urging tho | pasenge, but I saw that the ef * could not be di m1 did not suc- ys willing to believe that the Sen- be charter Were cunscientious in | CaN TWEED BRLIRVED ? ConnesroxpeeT—vo you think thas Mr, Tweed is worthy of elit? Mr. Tuaven—t would rather not have anything to Ay OO (hat polek Lem wot familiar enough with the man te pare an operon, | never passed 4 word with | hum on the subject of the charter in my Ite. 1) wae quite eviwent that Mr. Thayer dia not want to deheve that the republeas Senators tad be | rupted by Tweed or acknowledge 1 1 bi ‘ook 8 promiment those two years y repebiices member of | oh Mun cipal Allaire and opposed pearly every ineasure | beard ty the Tetemeny legieiters at that time, hen (be reporter asked bis ures be replied (bat be dia je tewboes by the allernoon despatches leged disclosures were considered sensational iG Albany, aud be should be ¥ prised tf Tweed made aay lke gentionen pamed ww were (ime, eapociaily iu regard to Seuat BELIET RS ON WOODEN, Mr. Kennedy enieriained the bighest ot for Mr. Wood, and beveved him te be 4 man who bud wo Diu 4 regard tor bimeel! to Inter away bis repuiation SUy FUCK Lranmeclions a Were charged iO the Gis. es, There must be some mistake, “Do you believe it poss bie that Tweed has made th was fe was singularly sen: © regard to aflwirs in New York be was ringulariy infatuated. The statement that Judge Folger receivea money Mr. Kennedy regoroed as highly improvavie, as Judge Volgor Wasa mae of ibe Bighest imtogray. Horace Grecley, an old political and personal friend, who, in an interview with me bere im the Delevan House, oxpressed the opinion that tbat was the best bing to be done, because by ite passage we could secure PAgeaGe OF INFAMOUS MRABURR, ia, aod 1 people of New York city were very wack exercised | 1 dely poriiamentary law by so doing, rises and calls the | O'Conor mentioned a fow facta here and there which and these five wore Pierce, of Franklin; | Mr. Thaven—I did think it @ little singular that t | the Committe | | sx se Hi ot a rigorous | Feet these Hofman of the charter, Mr. Kensedr unter the bill to the Governor homeel Every republican but one voted for idea with the citizens of New York seemed to be that dar} vided responsibility—was good, Tue creat me. tn allowing the Mayor to make | ce meeting his own. Sat, Kenmeay fertere a and te ° ex 7 | his firm belief in the tategrity of Mr, Woods associates, and expressed doubts of the reliability the alleged disclosures, when the interview closed. EX-OPHAKKK MITOHMAN Ex-Speaker Hitchwan, who arrived this says that in regard to the Tweed charter of 18) Voted with bis party and not to do so | Srounds for suspicion, He says tarther that charter was advocated by Hurace Greeley leading republican papers of the city of New York. Mr. Greeley ulso remarked in bis hearing Tweed would gi ew York cuya hat they could pass their charter le thei In regard money from ' a masons nies goon of the **! y oniy member in the New York delegation wi ry as the passage of the vill was Culone! Michael lurpby. EX-SENATOR WINSLOW, All that ex-Senator Wiusiow bas to say in reference | to the Tweed revelations Is, that the ours so lar as they relate to him are wholly and af¥oluteiy false. SKNATOR WOODIN'S Di oS Senator Woodin' ‘a deience of himself Against the ch: ok on of privilege, It was listened to with and Johu Morrissey remarked when he The mat , ‘ 4 an have acted squ: Alter a few minutes’ pause Mr, Woodin apoke us follows Mk. Presipent—I regret very much on wecount of the public business that [ feo! culled upon, nay, com- myself, t 18 due to the body of which I am a member, it 18 due to the immediate constituency which 1 rep- ic prints a direct charge of vificial corruption, 1 Deen advised, nay, threatened within last two weeks that something would appear in the public prints. 1 repeat it now, that! have been shreatened that unless I should desist course of action 1 should bite the dust, and to-day the blow falls, but upon my individual head as wator upon a duck's back, But so tar as my rela- tions to you ure concerned | do not view my present surroundings with inarfference, I read from the New York World of \oeduy’s 1ssuo an extract trom an arti- cle coming trom their correspondent at Albany. 1t is unnecessary for my purpose that L should read any more than I shall read:— It was necessary, cays the confession, toobtain for the asure the support of seversl Intluential republican mem- 7 was mioMt valuavle Mr. through lovking: views ulerred him in person tho st 200,000, with the understanding that it wus to be used in yecuring the passage of the charter, It was his (Tweed’s) understanding wiih Winslow at the time the money was to ded = between ‘vodin wud several persons whose vame frain from Novae bs ot a with ja other person: not read—for their influence iu im various amounts, he hits as- afterward paid to parties in the compact. ber of the Stato Senate ut the time, and ali T road 19 another place:— Among the various persons to whom he paid money for their influence in the Le; ides th mentioned was Mr. Lu rtiver, $20,000, dated thi eharter of 1870, with would also 0 to Sen afterward came back to him from iin bank, whe money was duly paid; inuored by Me, Hastiuis, wh broker, Jenkins. Hastings four days alter the paxsaxe of the uderstunding that the mi he cheek, how ir. tweed says sbas at various times ait the above. A LITTLE PRRSONAL msTORY. My appearance in the Seaate of the State of New York was in 1870, Almost a total stranger to e: member of that body, 1 came ‘@ withuut pretence, ‘without ostentation, und cond myself aa an hum- ble member of that bedy during the frat and secoud years of my service. Among the measures passea by the Legislature of 1370 wax the Tweed charter, so cailed, in {tself a barmless — measure, ‘and only ‘made infamous by the pertidy of the of- ficials whose duty it Was to admipister it, I remember that its baesage tu the Assembly was by an almost unanimous voto, and it recetved thirty votes out of thirty-twoim the Sonate, The presumption is that no unfair means were used in tho passage of such a law, or if th , that the entire Legisiature in both branches was involved. : My re-election m 1871 was by an in During the canvass, however, there were Vague and undefined rumors ‘of vribery and corruption, too indefinite, however, to work any harm to my repu ton, My third ass was botly contested. Rumora of my personal uutitness and charges of official core Tuption made pointed so unmistakably to me that 1 was put to such a defence ag one can make i a politi- cal canvass. | made a broaa public dental of ail tho charges direct and by :psinuation that were against me, aud that denial was publisbed throughout the State, and though tt was true as Holy Writ in every word, in every sentence, yet the public mind was in that impressible simte and condi- tion that it was ready to belleve evil rather than good of puvlic men, and I almost suffered dereat in a district where the people up to that time had been reudy to fight Against the world in detence of my reputation as an honest man. I caine near being defeated. it was renewed in wy fourth canvass with equal bitternesss, but, thank God, without success, do not blame the general public. The general public have been educuted to believe evil rather than good of their public Servants, and, perhups, there 1s somo excuse tor thas education. PRESS MISTAKKS, Nor have I complained cf the pubile pross, except in special cases, 1 think the intention of the press 1s generally to protect the public against corrupt ofliciuls, but they also make mistakes, and sometimes good men, honest, well meaning men, are brought under the severe biow of newspaper criticism and cen: and yome of them are driven into retirement by means thoreol, crucliy and unjustly, too, rom which tey never aro permitted to emerge. Now, near tho clo: of my eighth year in the Senate, where I have labored arduoualy, and, as 1 said a little while ago, couscien- tously, thougt not always wisely, Lam tho subject of renewed attuck. ‘THE COLOB8UB IN VILLANY, This time I ain covfroued, if the papor ts to be bo- Neved, with what purports to ve 4 confession of a malefuctor—a man who has been by common consent styled the colossus in villany—a man who standi corded upou your own record us having testified, under the solemnity of an oath, In the presence of bis God, that he never paid nor offered to pay, either directly or indirectly, u penny to any member of tho Legista- ture to securo the passage of any law. I need not read it. [ reter the Senate to the Senate documents of the eur 1872, He at last, in the course of 14 ering, was detected, arrested, prosecuted, convicted ' and incarcerated, und’ from — that inearceration he escaped, He flees trom tue custody of the law and tro punishinent, the duration or limit of which was only bounded by the allotted time of his cartoly existence. His flight to the islands of the sea and thence to foreign lauds but corroborated the charges tnade against tim. Captured at last and returned to bis prison home, with afucure before him that promised nothing but inaetinite imprisonment and separation trom family wad triends—that 1 the maa whose testimony is invoked to ous of your members of official corrupuun. whom be his exonerated so far as an unqualitiod decla- ration under oath could exonerate me aud every me Ver of the Senate of 1570 trom any such charge, Long KO restitution, He panted for ug the hurt pants tur the water He desired liberty more than be degired | anything else in this world, and he began to make | overtures to Mr, O’Conor and others, and no offered restitution according to bis ability. But moro was asked than restitution, Ho was required to make Gisclosures—to give up the names of ls accomplices | erie, It was made a condition of bis release GIVE Us NAMES, He tried his band at disclosures, but he failed to Meet expeciation, The thumbscrew and the rack have | w applied, “Give us names, and above all laud over all give us mutning — which | shall invoive the wembers or some portion of the members of the Court of Appeuls; but don’t stop there ; go lur eno! | any other ‘Senator wi trying to secure the protect the city of ) torewten to rain} lation of the past’? tor immunity, comes. Now, Sevators, I degire to call your attention to the editorial of this paper, 1 am ‘wot going to mak delenee bow, but Lam looking fora motive. & power beyond wnd over and above that map, which has Hied him to lose himseit and speak (he thoughts article relating to th , huwever, is entirely plain | and past debate, The so-called political reformers, of whom iti notorious (hat they co-operated politically with Tweed io the heyday of bis power, of whom no now tells us that their co-operation was bought Ly bin With money taken from the public purse, aud who are to-day actively pretending to a leading position tn pab- Ne legislation lor the city of New York, must at once | retire avd tuke away their bands from the urk of the h to reach Senator Woodin and Tay be at present engaged in passage of legislation which shail w York from the burthens which n the futuro; from the unjust iis. At last coercion, aided by longing jucceds, and the long desired contoss:on . In so tar us they are concerned yndary matter whether they can or cannot disprove tho of Twoed, While they are dis- proving these mark tueir language, 1 beg of They m ¢ notwing to do with framing or | modifying the laws and regulations tor the conduct of city ailairs, I rena again trom the New York Ezpress, | 1h W special despatch from Albany, as follows: — The Twoed exposure ts believed of Mr. Weodin’s comb: measure, | But I need not and will not stop there, To-day in the Assembly chamber, when one hi which tecer alm the unanimon: | body was being considered in Committee of the Whole, | @ member whose nawe | will speak, Mr, Spinola, though convict | continued and expensive Hugation bad made itime | | There were many who shrugged | known all along of the deep damuation sow | last revealed by ‘tweed, Atthe same time there was | jas that, for instance, of Judge Folger, of the Court of | Appeals, which had never betore been associated even | by Rumor’s idle tongue with the crimes of the Ring. | } &; i ho made a speech like that must | to y polied, to rise to aquestion of privilege. It ia duo to | mon, OF was’ ever resent; It is also duo to the people of the State. This or whether there was uny arrange- is the eighth year that | have occupied a pimce tn this | ment bo Mr, Hagtings that I should have body. Of course I have pot ecaget por | any the $20,000 check. It is d did [I expect or tope to, w me you should do it u ! ucted wisely, but nevertheless conscientiout News- | expense of the public business, tor it 1s public business. | papers have occusionally criticwed me, sometimes very | You ean add ask to soverely, but until to-day 1 hdve nevor read in th the re unearthing from = & certain | three, four or tive persona, ward he gave Mr. Hastings checks for smaller amounts than | Woodin) exp! | | | | moned attention of the Assembly to that bill and the nam: ‘the person who introduced it in the Seuate, say! 8 Dame is \o-day connected with some awiul 1 beg pardon for violating the ry and = practice in — speak- Shy the name of the member of Assembly, and Wt is, perhaps, « wast time to say that that person 008 DOL Fee to the altitude of my lowest contempt, 1 whose names are ia this cata- a offenders, but for myselt. do speak and with To plainness of speech. For | tit is enough tor ine to say, as iu the pres- and with the prospect of a speedy aud hearing betore « committee of my peers, savemeut published this day ts absolui Weked\y {aise iu each and every particular, so tar ime relates 0 . I solomnly alfira be- peedily put to the trial, or been tendered anything je for my vote or support for or rj é : | if fi: m worldly SBy moasure betore the Legisiature before or my term, and that any and every imsnua- or it tending to the contrary is hctoasly ant cruelly false, and had its origin & dead set to do the work of the Prince ot this upon wdon, that 1s te Chamber Darts, [ denounce tho authors hy sehensing tas 3 every other official rectitude as hars. proper bat that giish language wholo truth and pothing th, 1 challenge then to the proof of their words They shall have an rn before # tribunal of those opposed me io political faith, I ask no favoritism, my friends, Contront me with Witmesses § delore any and every tribunal and Jet the truth como and let it come right speedily, ‘and brother Senators, if tt aball at lust uppeur, truly or falsely, that these charges are in any degree sustuined I will ver mysclf ike the lepers of the Scripture, take omy departure trom this hall and go hence throuzh the world the balance of mv days, erying, =" Uae unclean! Bat I tear 1 fear not. me where you will, fore anv and overy trivunal; close my mouth; it you please; and there is Bor was there one living who has or could counect me in any Senators, it is duo ou to me, because of the constituency that | to represent bere, I usk that you shall spocdiiy ie these charges and as- certain whether ¥ 200,000, of any part or portion ever came ‘into my i tendered to me, or was ever taiked about by any haman being, whether by Tweed or by any oue of those engaged in his work way disclosing and exposin, ry corrupt practice of members of your own body and Gy to provide remedies and protection egainet the like im the fature. I ask, therefore, that you appoint a commitiee of It 1 could have wy preier- ence you would tuke one man, a democrat, and let him ie here speedily the result of his investiga- | tion, HE fear it not, avd ask of you that vou shall not | hold iy existence political iriend or ioe, and suiler Yourselves not to reevive or retain apy bias, one way | or the other, until the testimoay shall come out; and if | it does not deliver me completely, pertectly, fully from thee ai then Lam willing to be branded as the chiel of Oflenders, and wuld be treated accordingly. RESOLUTION ASKING POR A COMMITTRE 1 bave deawu a resolution, leaving the number of Members composing the committee biauk, aud desire to read it to Lue Senate. Whereas an alleged statement of William M. Tw Ushed im-the New York Workt of to-day, state other the person whose — intluencs was to “Tweed was considered to be of Auburn, aud he (Tweed) that gentloman throuch State Seuw nf Winslow securing weit was to be ter, and tunt ed) hud sum was among Parties, among whom was Senator Woudin: and whereas said nilegod statement farther states that $20,000 was paid to Hugh Hastings with the ungerstanding that the money was also to go to Senator Woudin; there- the certain Resolved, That Messrs. ——— be and thev aro hereby appointed & con t stimony, with send for persous aud dit in York cit investigate wald Wooutu ‘or prom to ys hereinbelore referred to, portion of the within. ten any report to the Senate, together with their conclusions. ther oon, too are hereby authvrixed to command the services at the Sergennt-at-Arms of tho Senate und alsy empluy # ste- nographer. Mr. Harris 5 sd that although the Senator (Mr. | ade that the committee should be composed of two of one of bis own, still he did not think there was any | special reason lor cepurting frum the usual course. Mr, Woodin stated that it was « personal preterenc that the commitiee be constituied of three Sena tors, a majority being of the opposite political | faith. He continued:—‘l have the utmost cun- fidence im the fatiure to make out anything against | me, aod ail 1 ik 8 that there shall be a | speedy report, Let it be what tt may, but letitbe | speedy. That matiter hor got along with. 1 give oticd now that my hand 16 not to be “taken off the mauicipal covenant,” not the least, but ts | to be held there with all the might power that I command to do jus nd 1 shall bo found to be the poorest | this great land to be buil-dozed out | ‘Chamber. | Mr. Harris, the number of the com- | nd the Chair named the mi Messrs. Carpenter, Sprague (reps. ) Schoonmuker and Bradiey (vems.) JUDGE POLGER’S DENIAL. ALnany, April 17, 1877. To tnx Epiron or Tak Evaxixe JourNau:— ‘The New York World of to-day contains this sen- | tence :—*He (William M, Tweed) meutions Judge Fol. rs ot the Courtot Appeuls, * * * to whom he «1 money. ’? William M,. Tweed never paid me any money. the Statement is not true, CHARLES J. FOLGER, Wo are authorized from Attorney ‘rat Fairchild | to say that he bas never heard or known Mr. Tweed to | utter a word that could be covsidered derogatory ot | Judge Fol: though Tweed has spoken to the Attoe- ney Generul of him (Judge Foiger) as a formidable po- litical aud legislative opponent, We are also authorized from Mr. John D, Townsend, Tweed’s couusel, who delivered to the Aitoruey Gen- eral the paper called a *‘contession,”’ to say that Judge Fulger's name ts not mentioned ip it, nor that of any other judge of the Court of Appeals. The statement published in the World appears in a despatch from Albany. We are intormed that whe the despateb left Albany it did not contain this state- ment aval, ‘The publication so injurious to the wuxul- | hod name of Judgo Folger 1s (tis shown to be abso- lutely destitute of foundation or warrant. Noone who knows him would bave credited it for x moment, A SENSATION AT THK DELRVAN, In the Delevan corridors to-nieht the speech of Seustor Woodin Is the sole subject of conversation. ‘The general impression is that no man could bave tho audacity to stand up and make such a specch unl he a8 =6conscious =of hw imnocence, — Thi say if Hogh Hastings could havo tak to deliver protessedly to Senator Woodin and pat it in his own pocket, why not Winslow do the same? Th result of the whole bing will be to make the repul cans rally all t more determinedly around ~enator Woodin, now that they believe the alleged Tweed con- foxsion was sprung to defeat the reform incasures pend- ing tor New York cit MEKTING OF WOODIN’S COMMITTEE, The Woodia committee had an informal meeting to- nighttu the library of the Senate Chamber, and to- morrow the Sergeunt-at-Arms, Corning, — will leave for Watertown to subpmna ex-Sena- tor Norris Winslow, the most important witness of all, as he is charged with receiving the big bribe of $200,000 to distribute among | several other Senators. The committee will meet in | New York on Friday, probably at the Fifth Avenue | Hotel, The Attorney General will most likely be sum: | im the morning, and all the mysterious | papers he has under lock and key will come suddenly | belore the gaze of the public, In New York Tweed himself will be called to the witness stand, and Hugh Hastings and Thurlow Weed and other magnates of the | metropolis, There 1s a lively time ahead, THE “CONFESSION” IN THE CITY. WHAT IS THOUGHT IN NEW YORK OF TWEED'S | ALLEGED REVELATIONS—WHOLESALE DENIALS | AND EXPLANATIONS-—-TUE ACCUSED BRISTLING INTO DEFENCE, New York bad again a great sensation yesterday, namely—the revelations alleged to be contained in | Tweod’s confession, which is now Ia Albany awaiting the action of the Attorney General of the State. | | this “confession” would exorcise a potent effect upon These disclosures were literally the talk of tho | town, although, strange to say, they did not create any surprise, as might be supposed, their shoulders in a “I told you-so” fashion, as though they had some astonishment at the use nado of some nam Among politicians it was very generally believed that the politics of the Siate, aud that it would bring several influential politicians to the slaughter house, “Itwill hurt the Woudin charter seriously,” said ono prominent local politician; “for what faith can | people put ina relorm meusure championed by a con- victod contederate of Tweod—that is, if be is con- victedr’’ CHARLES O'CONOR. in his magaificent residence overlooking the Hudson from Washington Heights tho vonerable Charlos | O'Conor was found. When the subject of Tweed’s confession was intro. duced the old lavyer’s face took un an expression that—but for his notorious good nature—might be calied cynical. Mr, O’Conor has reserved a peculiar expression, Which hoe only wears when talking of tho King auits. Mr. O'Conor said that he had not seen Tweed’s con- fession and consequently could not give an opinion to the press on the subject of its validity. As time wore on and the conversation became more general Mr, | big weut at every o APRIL 18, 1877.—TRIPLE SHEET. at present wii! bo of interest to tae Henato’s readers, as tbe; Ve an insight into the secret history of cer- tain transactions that have long been sudject of public Kv'S OFFRK TO MR. O'CONOR. The letter of Mr. Tweed to Mr. 0'Vonor, first made © in the romantic story of the escape of “Big Six" was brought by a messenger to Fort Washington, and Mr, O'Couor did not respond at the time, but sub- sequently sent a blank tothe prisoner, which hoe was fo gil out. It remar her the contession of Tweed covers the points on or = wheth rough have bee nee, Mi has confidence 1 the geatiemen who , OCour procured the cor 9 done their work thoroughi: 44 iuclined to think, unless the gre drawing it, haustive as might be released trom i Mr. O'Conor hand ana told bim plainly that he was re- quired only to gi facts. His examiners were not at all anxious to hear things that would please ur wratity them, they only wanted tacts which would la- cilitate the rocovery of the city’s money. ingersoil gave the prosecution the oaly real information they now have, aud though he did not know all be told all he was possessed of. Whether Tweed bas dove tho same thing remains yet to bo seen. The lower which Tweed wrote to Mr. O’Conor was never shown to any one by bim, avd consequently us publica tion mu ave been caused by the prisoner or somy of his friends, The confession which ts now in the bands of the At+ toruey General was first brought to Mr. O’Conor, at his house at Fort Washington, by somo messenger from Tweed, but tor reasoos best kuown to himself Mr, O'Conor retused ww look at or have any. thing to do with the document, ana it was taken away, Mr, O'Conor seems more inter- ested iu the resuits whut are to accrue trom Tweed’s confession thau from tho contession itsell, and this may be accounted for by the tact that much Of what has been publisued us part of the contession Aud as news to the public is no news to Mr. U'Covor, he hus known or strongly suspected as much tor & ug tine, Mr. O’Conor thinks that littie good wall be dono by the publication of Mr. Tweed's contession un- Jess those who aided bim in bis unholy practices are brought to justice. EX-GOVERNOK HOVPMAX, Ex-Governor Hotlinan was met at the Clarendon Hotel. On having his attention calied to the alieged contession of Tweed he suid that the reference to win. acit as to signing the cbartee was incorrect; it was hot signed at night, us stated, but in the da oruinary course ot business, at the Executive “LE signed the charter,” said dr, Hofmun, Mr. O'Conur caro was exer- amber, “because 1 believed tt was a youd charter and u charter that was | Much needed, Iu this opinion I was coutirn entire press of New York city aud State. Everybody seemed to be of this opinion until a” yeur alter 18 passage it wus found that somebody had been stealing under it, ‘Tuat it was a wi id well consid- ered charter is evident trom the tb that several of ite provisions are operative to-day in the municipal goverumenut of the city.” Govervor Hoffuun sid that be declined to express any Opin us Lo the other matters meuuoned in this conlession, oxcept to say hut the publication of 16 1m the form im wuich it appeared Was manitestly water wo everybody mentioned thereim, It either ought to have been published in its eatiiety or not publigued util tt became a document in a court, MK. HASTINGS LAUGHS, Mr, Hugh Hastings, the editor of the Commercial Advertiser, did uot seem to be at all pertarved by the churge that be gota check tur $2u,00u Irom tweed for ace Was Wreuthed in the joliiest Of stuiles whit answering the quuries of the writer, and UJ ‘emembrance of tbat suirribg time when these transuctious occurred seemed tv give hiw ploasure, not pain, Mr. Hastings ridiculed the wea tuat this mouey was lor Xenator Woodin, “Do you think that if I received such corruption money Vd tuky a check?” he usked laughingly. ‘Pout you think I’d be smart enough at least to take the money in buls?” And with seutentious humor ue susd:—"T admit the check (tuat was given in the course of a legitimate business trans! will explain at the proper by the but [deny Woodin. As to my having — broug! Jay Gould w him, 1 udmic that also, =o had certain busia (rausactions with Tweed, entirely legitimate they all were und f am not ashumed of this busine-s association, Thi check was given me in April, 1370, aad over thirteen mouths later (on May 25, 1871), such mou us A, T. Stewart, August Belmont, John T. Jona- ston, John Jacob Astor, Heury Hilton, Levi P, Morioa and others did not disdain to ussuotute Lhetnselves with ‘weed io the directory of the Viaduct Railroad, [ didn’t blame Tweed oven tor dragging in tay name in this atuir, Toe poor man bas been squeezed to tell something, to Wako some startling disclosures, and what won't a man do to gain bis iiberty? 1 shall ve only too giad it the device makes him treo wt last, tor 1 think the old feliow bus suffered enough. JUDGE FOLGER PKOMABLY MALIGNED, Th mented with some Views ou the stor; course there 1s a inixed Up with @ great deul of romance, For instance, the charge that Judge Folger, of the Court of Appeals, Acvepied money irom Tweed 18 periectly preposterous. In 1871, waen Tweed, Creamer aud Genet tried to carry borough the scheme of the Broadway Railroad, Folger delivered in the Senate Chamber uo wo: scathing depanciation of Tweed and bis accom pices that L ever heard. it created «a tremen- dous sensation, iy general, “OL vell you old Tilden is He Wauts to soil the names of the men who have beeu against bim and has been working tor Twoed’s liveras tion on condition that he should muke this so-called coviessivu. You may rely upou it there hus so doube been also an attempt to implicate Chie! Justice Coureh throagh the “confession,” and al! tis becaure the Jutges of the urt of Appeals were against Tidea and O’Lonuor, who — stand what will be the resaits of the confession! “None at all A few of these men will see their nawes dragged through the miro avd tuat’s ali. Of course there is bo possibility of a cent of this money being recovered trom any of those parties, Tuey'tt all imi- tate Tilden’s course in that big railroad suit against him when be pleaded the statute of laitation.”” MM. HASTINGS? ATATEMENT CORROBORATED Alderman Van Schuick, who indorsed the $20,000 check tv Hasungs, was aisy calied upon. All he would Buy was that the check was deposited with him 10 the usual way, being used by Mr. Hastings in part pu: meut of bis Filth avenue residence. Mr. Hastiug: money transactions were nearly all made through bin ‘Wt that (ime, aud he Lad also managed the purchase of Mr. Hastings’ house for hie cheat. He remembered no checks whicu passed into the bands of Senator Waodin. coniessiou, KX-SENATOR PIERCE INDIGNANT. Ex-Senator Pierce gave a prompt and indignant de- nial to the story a8 lar as it reflected upon him, He sent to Ludiow Street Jail, and, a8 ho states, received word from iweed that ho such statement as that be (Pierce) could confirm bis contession it he were prom- ised immunity Was ever made by weed. Mr. Pierco seemed to be Very indignant at haviag to suifer under tically declared to bea taise churgo, he said, tuvolved a double turpitude— firat, that of having been bought, and second, that of ing immunity lor bis crime by betraying his jeraios, JAMES Of KNOWS NOTHING, Ex-Senator O'Brien, who is accused of having ex- torted money trom ‘Tweed and Connolly upon his promixe to shield them from further prosecution, was found im front of the Astor House, Mr. O'Brien was asked in reference to the confession, but having got up late and prob- abiy tarried over his luxurious brenklust, ne bad noteven bad time to read the statement, ile kuew bothing at allabout it, When wcquamted with the vigt Of the story us far as 1t concerned lim, be Bal “My son, alt} know 1s that the part of tu-day’s story that relers t © 1% mude up out of whole cioih, That's all [can tell you, upon my word.” ALDERMAN THOMAS COMAN, Ex-Alderman fhomas Coman, and former President of the Bora of Alder 5, SE “L was nota member of the Board of Supervisors uptil the Tweed charter was passed 1 saccoedud Morgan Jones. Alter the passing of the cnar- ter there was no necd of Tweed buying the votes of the Bourd of Aldermen; © be could get wha: = he wanted = without us. Tho contracts for tu bis ban paving of the streets were all in inen might recommend that a | Street be paved, but it rested with Tweed to pave it or not, Just as be pleased. The docks wore the “Aldermen and given to # commission; the Markets — also, nd given to the Comptroller. Under the charter there was title leit tor us to do as Aldermen, I don't know during all the time | was Alderman that there Was ever more than one job put through tor Tweed personally, and that was when he bought a building known’ as Na- tivoal Hall, and got use to make a floor of it a court for Judgo McQuade rent of we di the | member that was d by tbe pen ior Tweed, b think th: tory of sion is ¥ mack ry of tis manulactured, and there ts very Nite truth in the = manutacture 1 wil you why I think sa Tweed ain’t a foul, | whatever ele he ix, and | won't believe that be has told this story as printed untill seo his name to it, Itisin direct oppo sworn to tn bis aflidavits in the Joba Foiey trv Gire contrary to that which he testified vate Senate investigation of Jam Gilsey | House, TRS PER CANT TOO MUCH. Then look at wi ays about Hail, There is only 100 ceuts in the , He money bax been traced, without Hall's ten por cont. Twix tracing Was shown again and again he trails of T The division as sliowO (en Was as tollows:—Cweed, 24, Connolly, .0 Sweeny, 10; Woodward, 5; Watson, 5; the Tradesmen, 85, All the tradesmen have sworn that they got 35. Now, i! you add Hail's 10 to this, you get 109 cents doilar, As that will not do there isa ¢, and Tweed dow THE HOARD OF AUDIT MEN Then it ‘4 wad that the document minates of th sate im July, 1871; Watsou died in Javanry, & everything Wat (oo important im connec bowing Watson's aflairs, alver his months to el iH sale was | pied. As a mattor jact this document was not found in Wateou's " din Con. acts, would 1 to be used cry as, 80 far torget matter mast be strongly im, 4 upon his mind, and for this roason | think Tweed will disown it. fn reine If the poo 0 CoOnVIet Others OM the testimony prove conclusively what amouat of the stealings reached the pockets of all, A HERALD representative Cailed upow Governor Ti- den at bis house, opposite Gramercy Park, last even: tng, t0 obtain his Views upon this and Kindred sub- Jocla The peculiar discrepancies im the in the | jon whieh | | fravk and good natured statement was supple. | truth in it,’? said he, “out at te | together, | Hoard of Audit was togod in Watson's ures of per centages on the traudulent Ring were that the addition of tea per cent ing gooe to Mr. Hall would on the general division make more ceuls than there ure ID pine, ‘Tweed received twenty-Ove per cent,” said Mr. Tilden, “At the ume of examination we were not aule to compute the interes: ov these moneys"? “Was Mr. Hall suspected in the matter??? “lt Me, Hall received anything he did not take it | Rimeell, It wus handed over to him vy another party e proceeds of the other percentages.” vy," according to Mr, Tiden’s footing ap, would then staud as follows :— C 20 Sweeny... 10 Tweed 25 Woodward ney ‘Tradesm: 35 Watsoa. 5 lurther remarked the ex-Gov- ernor, ‘that Connolly received thie twenty per coat” This Would load tv the inference that there 1s room for others than those enumerated above tn the Ring transactions, SILENT OM THE TWEED CONFESSION, Mr. Tilden could not be induced to spenk on the re- ported coutession of Tweed, ueither would he give an opiwion as to the veracity of the puolished points - already belure the public, Au allusion to Hugh | Hastings’ — rather upcomplimentary as to th vernor’s connection Tweed —contession received the Jate contemptuous ter jo far better bealth than 1 has exhibited tor several mi back. In tact, ton years seem to huve been ited from his shouiGers since the yreat political but- He he s0 Valianily fought was closed through the de- cision of the Eiectural Conimission, RECORDER HACKETT'S LOOKCASES. The following caustic card from Recorder Hackett disposes eilectively of ove of the Sianders ia the so called contession -— Naw Youk, 72 Pank Avexce, April 17, 1877. To THe Eprron ov THR WoxLp:— My attention has bev called to & ley Copiession of Mr, William M, 1 peared in your issuo of to-day, It contains the fol- jowing seutence:—Tue confession says that a the painting and bookcases in Recorder Hacket's house were paid for by the city,” This statement is faise; thero are and have been fa the basemout of my house bookcases and one wrising desk, which were supplied Ly tue muaicipal corporation lor the use of toe Recorder during tis term of office, to be retucned at its expiration, Tue Recorder has been elected to his said office o1 jon of an al- whieh ap: sfour occasions, and fo We Lermss of bwenty= Tour yeurs; has served ad dering said | period bus'been furnished wit 30 of suid book | cases aud a desk, ws above ment he wilt gladly demand, d, Whieh articles pliver over lO Lis sueeeRsur in ofice om Kexpeetiully yours, J JOUN K. HACKETT, Value of tbe entire prop. Anan $400, J. K. Ay snvoea | PS. may add that t erty avove referred to 16h EX-JUDGR | Ex-Judge Cardoza guged to the Court of Com mou Pleas arguing a ease be) During the reading Of 4 document be cue of the coun sel, Mr, Cardoza sald to a reporter of the HeeaLo (hat nce Lo himself tu the alleged confession was utierly without foundation, publicly stated, ISAAC 4. OLIVER, Oliver, who 1 mention of my wame Ib the conten: a s right cruelty, for everybody who knows mo knows that 1 have lost movey tnstoud of gaining y politics, Me. Tweed knows this, and [am Will never Say that ho paid me ‘auyttsty er did, During the time thas L sure he jor he kuows be have been connecwt with politics nobody ever de- graded me by making ine any offer vy which money ase legitiacion, | Was a Kupervinur Wik | the present Mayor, Mr, smite ¥, and he kuows that we both trod to * deteay anything and everything that we supposed wus corrupt, But the nem Jobs were tuo many tor u caution of tue miautes minutes read when culled for we wei }acce of what had been dom fication we bad of the poyment was when the newspapers published atory of the frauds. I bad one business transaction with Tweed Persunuily, io 1872, alter the Woard of Supervisors had been disbanded, and long alter my councetion with it had ceased, my business asa printer had +o ron down that Iwas in abso.uie necessity, | bad & Judgment against mo for $160, waieh £ had got | the money to satisty, Tweed heard of it aud sent for me 10 his olfice, where ho himsell, and withor my asking him to do +0, pri money, He went into lis private office and wr out & demand note for the amount (#15u) which ho seat oat to me to #ign, along with the check That check represents the only Monelury transaction between us with Lis Exe 1. I did some printing—$586 worth in all—tor dir. Tweed, Lt was wil strictly personal work—cards, Dilis, checks, &c, Hoe pad me $400 on account of this’ bill Later I presented a bil for tle balance | and received a note from bis business mao, saping | that Mr. Tweed held my note for $150. ‘The balance | over this ole Was such a mull one shat I uever took the trouble to present tho bill for it.” EX-SUFERVINO MORGAN JONBS. Mr. Morgan Joues said:—"i can’t imugine what is Meant by the assertion that LU forued ong of the men bers of the Board of Aldermen whom Tweed bad | bought. ‘Ihe coniession begins 1p 1867, Now, | can only gay in regard to Ww that 1 was not @ mem- ber of the Common Council im and served there five years, Then 1 went inw the Boura of Alderinen, ‘aud served with that body two years, ending my period of service iu 1866, 1 did re ceive’ money trom Tweed when he wae rupuing for the Seuate ana was sending certain amounts to the | different wards for campugoing purngses, some of which came tuto my hands. From the natore of the accusation mude in the contession I sbowldn’t think at Was the money meant, however, und | kuow of no | other?” | MK. GKoRG | Mr. George H. M. PURSKR'S DENIAL Vurser, who was Corporation Attor- auy Years ayo, reqaested the publication of us Ale deuiil of Tweed’s statement as to having paid money tolim. Mr. Purser isan old may whose | huir iy white and who 1.as a large family, for the main. teuance of whose good naine he 1s nuturaily anxious. | “L cannot conceive,” said he, “why my name should have beon brought tuto this expose by Tweed, cousider- ing the fact that since the spring of 1870 | have never even exchanged @ Word of conversation with Twee At toat tine | went up with sugy men as Tilden, M. bie end others to oppose bis eb carried the day, Now | have puxaie | as to the bie pretext. which d | can have tor saying” that sho bas paid me money. In 1871 the Limes, Beprese, Star, Trane script aud other papers came to me and sue tho city lor the money due them tor 1 was Lo receive a certain percentage—three or four, per | cent, 1 don’t remember that part exuctly—in case twas auccessiul. 1 wax successiul, andl suppose cot paid by the Transcript, o| which Tweed was tho largest owner, Just as 1 was by the rest, My remembrance, however, Tra) | is not that Tweed signed the check of t = script, but that Wibour did, who was then the ‘oditor of the paper. flow much I re covered tor the Transe 1 don't remember, One judgment was for $75,000 and another lor & smaller amount, My percentage on that was about three anda half per cent, I think. Of course the afluir 18 scarce wortu noticing, for all that even Tweed says 18 that he paid me ane Judge Folger money, Pod me money? 1s there anything wrong in that? If | there 18 1t 18 only because ik was Fweed who paid it’? | And the ola gentloman added, indignantly, “1 suppose | if Tweed would say that he bad paid bis tailor money | the latter would tee! bound to repel the charge.’” QUIET AT LUDLOW STRERT Jatt, There was nowniny of tho orlinary routine at the Jail, With one cxeeption no visitors called on Tweed but those who have been Lome ty Visit Bim siDCe® his return from tits for One 01 ine ofll- cials said bad an inter- view with ox-Senator Pierce in the morn- ig, the latter having come in person to the jail Lo see Tweed ana to ask Lim whether the state- Ment in reference to him was really i O18 *contes sion, It was @ source of general astonishment at the jail thut Tweed, wie had retused to see ull visitors, should receive the ex-Senator, but be did so and | sured him that no allusion Whatever to him was in his “contession.”” A H#KALD reporter requested to be permitted to seo Mr. Tweed, but was tu- formed that he rigidly retused to sve ali reporters, Deputy Warden Gardiuer, who tn the nee of Warden Watson was in charge of tho jail, a that | he did not road the morning papers uaut about eleven A. M. wod up to that time there had been nothing to | awaken bis suspicions tha: anything out of the ordi- that Twee nary coarse hed occurred, No preparation jor | fweed’s departure had yet been mide and | Warden Gardiner bad as yet bad no notice of uny change in the couditions of the Hoss’ imprisoa- | ment. Ho thought that nothing would be done in that | regard for several days yet, as the Attorney Genet | would not be likely to decide a questiun of so grew importance at an bour's . Dr. Mary Walker was ween by tho jail It wi hot, however, ascertaimed whesher sho camo to visit | Tweed or not. AT TUE CITY HALL. Inthe present Board ot Aldermen there is not @ Je membor Who sat in the capacious chamber of that body in tue year 1870. (his was the period when Tweea's power Was at its height and the “boys”? ral- hed to by thousands, Among the men | who ki Vest in those palmy days are Al ryan Reilly and Thomas Sheila, Toe latter officiated in tho | Seventh ward, the “Boss? district, as one of the Tammany lieatens ur sevoral years, wud 1s now Chairman of the Gen- ‘eral Committee from that section of the city. Tweed made bim Assessor in the Tux Office, and he bas since occupied the positions of Devuty Sherif and Alderman, Through the torrents of exposure and vituperation whieh have swept in the warks of the “ring’? Sheils bas wot been identitied as yet with any of the transactions tending wlumately to rua many reputations im this oT situation Mong the accused, ki to think had not read the story up ton late bour in the aiternoon, Alderman Pinckney adjusted bw bat jauotily oo Coe side when the subject was browebed by anybody. Altogether the City Hail states. tmen look upon the exposd in a dazed, excited aud “walt-lor-turtuer-deveiopmenis’’ kind of @ way, ; A CARD FROM ROUNDSMAN OHM, | To tax Boiron oF Tue Hinxan:— | In yesterday's Henso you publish an account of a brutal outrage committed by me ona boy named Wiiham Reeg I wish to state that mothing of the kind ceourred, the boy merely receiving a liznt blow tu the faee, causing His eye 10 be slightly Viackened, which baypened by mere accident, ay L sball satistac verily exp betore the Polee Cow MAMMAD PF. OM, Kouwudsman bi ee