The New York Herald Newspaper, November 14, 1876, Page 3

THE GREAT UNDECIDED. Ups and Downs in the Presidential _ Game of See-Saw. SAMUEL J. OR RUTHERFORD B.? Florida Uncertain, Louisiana Doubt- fal, South Carolina Disputed. WATCHING THE BOARDS. Statesmen Still Flocking to the Suuth— What They Will Do. OPINIONS AND VIEWS. Comparative Tables of the Votes in the Three States. There is no important change to announce fm the condition of affairs regarding the Presidential election. The wearying doubt remains, and the signs of its being dissipated within a duy or two are not encouraging. The country must wait patiently for the declaration of the result, Florida, Louisiana and South Carolina, the pivotal point of the canvass of the votes will not speak through their authorized officers for at least a week. The democrats still claim them on the strength of their detailed re- ’ ports of the majorities in the various coun- ties and parishes; the republicans decline to give authoritative figures, claiming that there can be no figures given before the Boards decide. The indications that Tilden has run behind Hampton in South Carolina increase. In Floridaa similar state of the poll is developing, but not, the democrats claim, in the same proportion. At present Governor Tilden has 184 votes and Governor Hayes 166, with 19 doubtful ; 185 being ne- cessary to a majority. THE DOUBTFUL TRIO. ESTIMATED MAJORITIES OF LOUISIANA, SOUTH CAROLINA AND FLORIDA, WITH COMPARATIVE ‘TABLES FoR 1872 axp 1873. + LOUISIANA, hea following estimates make a remarkable show- Presiden Presiden- || State Treas- tial, t ‘urer, 1876. 1872, 1873 Hilt aH sill Rin, [Rem Dem.| Rep 1,330| 663; 7] 036 1,897| 1,797|| 1,072] 1,835 1,885] 1,286; 818] 1117 2,459) 917, 954) 2,439 900) 287 275) 704 428) 872! T54| os 1,159] || 634) T32 1,288) 627}/ 1,214) 1,318 69} 578) 424) 2 369] 486, 373) 334 40; «(176 —| 220 452) 382|] 411] 1,343 878] 678) 288] «458 942) 1,357}/ 1,490) 522 1,689] “16s]| ~ 35] 1,582 1,022) 790 713] 1,032 1,660] 647 803] 1,273 5305]. 279) 404) 1,186 261) 538 381), 226 7} li 296; 650 1,046) 626; 749] G18 2239] cost} 612) 1,754 610) 444 300 1,726} 981}| 437] 2,001 482) $84 763) 146 1,792] 1,697}] 1,461) 1,364 14e] 553) 455) bt 1,75] 311 37] 1,820 1,084] 673} 495| 514 Ork 12°93s| 21 300 1a,226(18'319 leans. y Ouachita .. .. 1,074}; 1.425] 620) 604) 1,205 Viaquemine .| 230) ll 2,163 seo} ‘220| 2 558 Por'te Coupée| 760, + =—I/ 1,454) 1.0928] 286) 1,340 Rapides......) 181] —|| 1,920] 1osof) 1,187) 1,889 al?) — 913} 362 - _ —| 762) 218) 646) | — —| 875) 62] 789! 351 835) - 460) = 269) 263! 973} —I] 1,228] 145, =| 120) 40) Sa St James... ./ 1,003! —|! 1,852) 663 St Jobu Bapt} '862) —|) 1.165] S39) Bt Landry...| 1,500} —|| 1,890] 2.347 Bt. Martm, 159} = 707) 641 Bu. Mary... 921 —|| 1,867 St Tammany) —| oi] ‘s12] 425, 760) Tangipuhoa.. Ter awe as] Poo wona Ea BS 15s. 8 n 9 [ns ie ee 2 12:8) Ba Br Br i Calhoun. ...+ eieeSke < 2. s Ba Madison, Marion ESSSSEE8E 3,557] 8178 370) one ‘THE EXISTING OUTLOOK. LOUISIANA. MR, PINCHBACK’S OPINIGX, Naw Oxrwans, Nov. 13, 1876. To tux Epiror or 1a™ HERALD:— Oficial returns come in slowly, bet enough is known to warrant tho beliof that Fayes has carried the State on a fair count. P. B & -PINCHBACK. ANTICIPATRD MEETING OF THE RETUENING BOAED IN THE CUSTOM HOUSE—AN IM- PRESSION THAT IT WILL COUNT THE STATE FOR HAYE:—ATTEMPT TO CHANGE THE PER- SONNEL OF THE BOARD. Nuw Ontans, Nov. 13, 1676. The distinguished arrivals cont! and are im- mediately taken 1a band by thelr respective partisans. ‘The city is all excitement, but ag yet nothing tangible has developed. They all appear to Bave left home in a great burry and without a’ + dofimite ideas or pur- poses. Of course tho air full of ramers, mainly without foundation, and everybody, both strangeraand patives, seems hopelessly puzzled. A DEVINITE PROPOSITION, The only definite theory yet developed ia a propo- sition, said to bave originated with Watterson and telegraphed to Tilden, that the latter and Hayes should each select five men of the caiibre of Adams and Evarts to superviso the Returning Board's Court, it agreeing te be ruled by the docision of this committee. ‘Tilden is reported to have responded favorably, and the proposition has since gone to Hayes. There ts, bowever, little likelihood of such an arrangement beimg perfected. THE RETURNING BOARD. As yet no official announcement bas been made of the date of the meeting of the Returning Board, which will probably be held in the Custom House, now strongly garrisoned with United States troops, and.the impression is almost universal in this @ommunity that Sqwill count pe State for apes: <dtifer. various pre- texts maoulacturea. Ambassadors have been sent into the country to get up affidavits, &c., and from Present prospects the meeting will be delayed as long as PRRASURE ON CULORED MEMBERS To-day great pressure bas been brought to bear upon the two negroes whe, by eligibility, constitute the Ro- turning Board. The republicans are anxious to replace them with stronger men, both on tho score of ability ana reputation, and are willing to award one member tothe democrats, This chungecan only be effected by ‘ the present fragmentary Board filling the vacancies and then resigning, to have their places filled in turn. XEGRO SUREWDNESS, This they peromptorily refuse to do, both negroes being active and shrewd politicians, and keenly alive to the important réle they have beon accidently thrown into, THE RETURXS. Official returns from various parishes to-day do not materially alter the estimated vote, which still siands at about 8,000 for Tilden, LIST OF ARRIVALS, ‘Tho following prominont party leaders are at the St. Charles Hotel, having arrived to-day via Jackson :— Jadge Doolittle, Senator Lyman Trumbull, Perry H. Smith, Chicago; G. B, Smith, Springfiéld, LL; Gov- ernor John H. Palmer, illinois; John W. Stevenson, Kentucky; George W. Julian, Indianapolis; J, R. Stal- lo, Stanicy Mathews, Edward F. Noyes, Job E, Stevon- son, Cincinnati; General McDonald, F. B McDonald, Joba O. Love, M. Munson, Indianapolis; William T, Hamilton, Maryland; L. V. Bogy, St. Louis; William R. Morrison, Iilinois; Jonn B, Martin, Charles Gibson, St Louis; Georgo B. Smith, Wisconsin; J. 0. Brod- head, St. Louis; C. BR. Farwell, Abney Taylor, Lilinois; ©. Irving Ditty, Maryland, GRAVITY OF THR SITUATION. Senators Doolittle and Trumbull think the situation avery grave one if the resuit of the clection is found to depend upon States that have been for some years under military control As yet they have done nothing but examine into the laws bearing upon the subject, aod are now awaiting the arrival of other friends bofore holding a genera! conference, Rx GOVERNOR CURTIN, who arrived to-night with Sam Randall, also views the situation in a very serious light, He thinks tho prep- E ‘Tho figures andor the columns “Presidential, 1876,” all trom domocratic sources. ‘The democrats throw off 600 of this claim as Tilden’s r, thage catimates being based on the vote for arations made forthe emergency ontirely too exten- sive and unmothodical to be the result Of mere acci- dont, From what be bas already Icarned tho State has gone democratic by 4,000 majority, und as yot is at a Joss to know what methods will be resorted to to dis- pute it, He paid a high compliment to the Hanan for the fearless stund it has taken in demanding the final settioment of an abuse upon which the weilaro of 45,000,000 of people is now found to depend. EX-GOVERYOR WakMoTH says that no troublo need be apprehended; that the ro- Publicans and democrats who have come bere are not the men to tolerate any wrongdoing, and that he in- tends to stand by them and seea fair count He does not doubt that the republicaos will claim the returns of several parishes invalid on the score of intimida- ton, but even with this the result will still be in doubt, CARD FROM UNITED STATES MARSHAL J. PITKIN—SOME RATHER PxREMPTORY NIALS. zB G DE- Naw Onzzays, Nov. 8, 1876. To raz Eprron ov tax Henato:— A communication hence in your issue of 6th and signed F. C. Zack tes that I am “Chiet of the armed colorea organization called ibe Councils of Freedom bere.” There is no armed colored organiza- tion, nor am I chief of any such, or of any other coun- cila, nor aim 1 secretary of the Republican Campaign Committes, nor have I been for six weeks past, nor have the United States Army officers attempted to de- moralize colored democrats, There are not 200 of tho lator im the State. Troops have not been sta- tioned nour all or any of the polls to im fluence the colored voters, nor have the democrats bad any thirty colored speakers fu its canvass, It did have a few black moudi- cauts, cast off by the republicans for their infamy, and fit only for their new party affiliation, Nor has United Staves District Attorney Beckwith, nor have 1, sought to debase our oillcial cuaracter for the consum- mation of party ends. ‘The communication 1: stion is written by a little domocratic partisan, whe ascribes to bis viement« disposition to to which a vigorous federal Sena Jaw, empbasized 7, the prosence of the inited States ships Ussipee and Canunicus alone gave seoming yesterday, The aggressive democrats in the NEW YORK HERAL country here too often attempt life—their confederates | Board, announced that as the point of jurisaiciion im the city are as diligent to assassinate reputations ",! R. @. PITKIN, Caited Steves Marshal SOUTH CAROLINA was a new ome the Board would like to hear the con- Sstitutionalisy of the question argued. One o'clock was Gxed as the time for hearing the argament The fol- UNITED STATES MARSHAL BM. WALLACE ON Jowing resolution was adopied:— THE BESULT. A despatch trom Charleston, 8 C., signed by a gen- tleman residing tm that city, baving appeared in an evening paper here, stating that R. M, Wallace, the United States Marshal for that district, a republican, admits the democratic success, tne Marsbal, ip re- sponse to a query, furnishes us with the following as (the result in the State:— Cuariastox, Nov. 13, 1876 Returns from all the counties give the State to Hayes and Hampton. The official count will elect Chamber- lun. R M. WALLACK, United States Marshal, 4M ESTIMATED MAJORITY IN THE STATE FOR HAYES —HAMPTON PROBABLY ELECTED—THS STATE CANVASSERS AT WORK—PRBEPARATIONS AGAINST FRAUD. Conumaia, Now 18, 1876 ‘The Board of State Canvassers receded to-day from their decision of Saturday on two important points, They now allow oral instead of written arguments, lim- Ming the speaking on both sides to bait an bour, This time will be profitably conssmed by the democratic counsel, They fur- ther agreod to beyin canvassing the vote for Presiden- tial Electors and Congressmen en the 16th, provided the retarns are not all in before that time and continge to canvass that vote from day to day amtil their ses- sion expires by limitation, Their previous decision limited tocm tw five days trom the date they com- menced. The office of the Secretary of State, where the Board held thoir session, was crowded by promt- Bent men from all parts of the State and a number were Presens from otber Stateg, among them Senator Gordon, of Georgia. THE POWRRS OF THE HOARD. Pointed and effective arguments were made by the @emogratic counsel as to the constitutionality and logal functions of the Board. It ts claimed that their duties were simply ministerial and mot judicial io character and {t was palpably evident that some of the members of the Board were of this opinion themselves. It is surmised here this even- ing that if a majonty ef the members were net candidates for re-election aad the vote iu the State contest so close and unfavorable to them, they would at once abandon the position as to being invested with judicial functions. If, under the cireum- stances, they still adhere to their decision of Saturday, bolding that they b: the right to bear protests and decide contests it * 1 © 88 of tho electors and Con- gressmen, the pr ¢ that that line of policy will pave the way +« Chamboriain and them- selves in by throy tome of the heavy demo- cratic counties, Obes RPARED. The democrats, |) )yer, are prepared for every emergency. 1n ti. eyvat they will resort to legal remedies and appe. Se Jupreme Court of the State fora writ of probiit.on «10 Ymandamus, and force the Board to restrict tte) 11) inypisterial duties, as de- fiued by the constitu‘iva ana laws of the State. The contest becomes exciting as it progresses, and may re~ salt in scenes of a still more exciting character, A MEMBKR OF THR DOARD BETTING, It has been reported for several days past that Comp- troller General Dunn, who is a member of the Board of State Canvassers and candidate for re-eloction, has beog betting heavily on tho election of Hayes and Wheeler and the State republican ticket, These reports were confirmed to-day, for during a recoss of the Board the Comptroller made a aimilar bet of one hun- dred dollars, giving bis check for the amount, and signing a contract binding both parties and defining the subject of the wager. 11 is claimed here that these bets undt bim to act in a judicial capscity where bis own funds are invented, and this point will be made tu- morrow by ceansel before the Board. THE METURNS, So far official returns have only boen received from twenty counties, and as these are in the custody of the Secretary of State, whu is a member of the Board of Canvassors, theiz figures cannot be ascertained until they are acted upon. 4 « YEARS OF FRAUD. The extraordinary delay in sending in the returns occasions great concern and alarm among the demo- crats, who afe feariul that the boxes are being tam- pered with, a recount made and results changed to manutactare uw majority for the republican State ticket. PROBABLE MAJORITY FOR HAYES, Corrected returns, which make all those received democratic headquarters official, pat Hampton's majority over Chamberlain at 1,311. In about halt the counties in the State Tilden runs nearly 1,000 behind Hampton, A statement made by Governor Chamber- lain’s private secretary, who, it 1s conjectured, has had access to the official returns, gives Hayes and Wheeier a majority over Chamberlain in twonty counties of 1,500, and goes on to say if the ratio of increase proves the same in the remaining twelve counties Hayes’ majority over Chamberlain will reach 2,400, which will give Hayes, according to democratic estimates of Chamberlain’s yote, about 1,200 majority ia the State. Republicans still claim @ majority of 5,000 for Hayes and 2,000 tor the State ticket, based on the assumption, it is sup- posed, that one or two heavy democrauec counties wil be thrown out, THe TROORS. All the troops in the State have been concen: trated here aud at Charleston. Two companies have been ordored again to Aiken, which leave to-morrow morniug. Considerable . sur- priso prevailed here at this latter, move, ag there was no disturbance in Alken county, It is beheved, however, that the arrests contemplated pro- vious to the election and abandoned for the time being are now to be made, and hence the troops, A rumor was current this evening to the effect that an addi- tional supply of 1,000 troops had been ordered to the State, and that a new officer bad been assigned to the command of the forces bere, Luquiries fatied to trace the rumor to any authentic sources. Colonel Black, of the Eighteenth infaniry, 1s pow im command in the diate. Hon, A. H. H. Stuart, of Virginia, bas arrived bere, SATISFIED OV TILDEN'S ELECTION, A member of tho State Democratic Kxecutive Com- mittee said to-night, confidentially :— “Don’t weaken on Tiideu, w '@ satiafied of his vleo- tion in this State, but cannot give figures,” MEETING OF THE BOARD OF CANVASBSERS——<aR-. GUMENT ON THE QUESTION OF JURISDIC- ION--THE CANVASS FOR BLECTORS TO ReGIN on THE 167TH. bes Cotumsia, Nov. 13, 1876. The Board of State Canvassere mot to-day at ten o'clock, Messrs, Hayno, Stone, Purvie, Dunn and Car- doza Bbelng present, The following resolution was~ unanimously adopted :— . That the Board hear oral argument on the point as to the hhmitation of the time in which the Bourd can canvass the returns tor Presidential electors, and that argument be limited to balt an hour on each sido. Genoral James Connor, on behalf of the democratic candidate, submitted the following paper in regard to the JURISDICTION OF THR BOARD, On behalt of the citizens of the State whom we rep- resent and tho democratic candidates of the State wo submit that all the acts of the General Assembly au- thorizing the Board of State Canvassers to hear and determine all cases under protest or contest that may arise iu regard to the clection of electors for Prosid and Vice President, Members of Congress and all oficers elected at any gi State, are in violation of the twenty-sixth paragraph of the constitution, and therefore void; and, in behalf of the parties aforesaid, we demand that the Board of Canvassers now assembied shall not hoar or decide any sach cases of contest or protest, but shall only act ministerially in ascertaining trom tho returns and statements forwarded by the boards of county canvassers the persons who have received | ’imsolf. Resolved, That the Board of State Canvassers will Proceed to canvass the returns for electors for Presi- dent and Vice President, begimming on the 16th day of November, unless returns (rom all counties have been Previously received, and will continue to canvass such returos trom day to day gatil the last day of their seasion, if it de necessary to do aa. The Board adjourned to meet a8 one o'clock. ARGUMENT ON JURUBDICTION. On reassembiing the Board of Canvassers heard ar- gumenst from Leroy F, Yoomans in behalf of the dem- Ocratic citizens, He maintaiged that the Board had BO power under the constitution to ulter the result of the election as announced by the county canvassers, and tbat the State Board ha@no power to chanue re- tures, but could merely consolidate and announco the result. At the conclusion of the argument the Board ad- Journed unti! co-murrow morning, when R. B. Elliott (colored) will address tho Board on bebail of therepub- Heans. He will iusist that the Board has ministerial and judteial functious, and that tt has the right to can- vase and throw out votes figyevy county where thero bas been either traud or intimidation. THE RETURNS. Up to this evening returns had been received at the office of Secretary of State from only eighteon coun- ties, leaving fourteen counties to be heard from. It will take at least a week bélore the official count is announced. Both parties claim the state, and heavy trauds are charged on both sidea Federal troops have been con- centrating here for the pagh$wo caya. THE CANVASS OF CHARLESTON COUNTY COM- PLETE—PROTEST OF THE DEMOCRATIC COM- NITTRE—THE QUESTION OF POLICING THE CITY OF CHARLESTON. Gyanixsron, Nov. 18, 1876, The Board of Coanty Ganvassers to-day forwarded the returas to the State canvassers as Columbia. The vote stands—Chamberlaia’s majority in the county, 6,223; Hayes’ majority, @320. Aloog with the returo is forwarded a protest of the democrats, which sets forth the following poiates— PROTEST OF THB DaMocRaTs. First—That the whole of the couaty was so con- trotled by systematic in jation and terrorism that no free opportunity was given to the qualities voters Wiereof to vote lor the candidates they desired. ‘Second—That in twenty-eight of the thirty-nine voting precincts outside Of the city limits armed and disorganized bodies of men, with muskets uud bayu- uets und in military discipline, paraded and Jormed ‘around tho polls, threateming death to any vot dared to vote the demdcratic ticket, and that t! armed bodi { men voted with arms in their bands, ued until atter the eleetiva, and provented & free und fair election, Third—That qualified votera who voted the demo- cratic ticket or expressed a desire to du so were beuion and cut and injured amd threatened with violence, wherevy eo prevented from voting th® democratic ticket. Fourth—That in seven of che city procinots numbers of voters whu desired tw had their tickets taken from them and other tic! pluced in their hand, aad were compelled vy vivieuce to vote the republican teKet against their will aud m- tention. re #ifth—That there weve present the is large numbers of persons jog to be deputy sheriify, und ap! ved by the sheriff mdirect violation of law, who, pretending to act ander-eolor of sucn ollice, did, by tn- ‘imidativa and threats of violence, prevent many per- sone from voting the a ratic ticket, Sizth—That gross and unparailelod fraud was prac- tised, large nutnbers of peredus undee ago having been allowod by the managers to vote at covery precinct and many voters having illegally and trauduleotly voted Tepoutedly, the vow of the county by the official return exceeding by 4,000 the aumber of voters resident of the county. Seventh— That only thirty-nine precincts were Opened outside the city limits, when the law prescribes that there shall be forty. THX QUENTION OF POLICE, A contlict of opinion having arisen as to whether the negro police or the federal troops have contro! of the peace of the city, Major C. L. Best, commanding the Firat artiliery, bas addressed a note to tho Mayor, in which he says:— i MAJOR BROT’S ATTITUDE, 1 beg to state tor your iniormation as well as for that of all classes in this commmuuity that tho preser- ‘Vation of gvod order inet riot or mob vivience has been ussi by the gpumeniing vificer mn obedience to most emphatic ini rom the Department Commander and which, until revoked, will be carried out, ‘fo this purpose be will ose precautionary meas- ures to keep himeel! infurmed of the internal temper of the city and of apy demonstrations by any party or tendmg tv create apprehension or 3 disturbance of — th ublic peace. = If the necessity unhappily commund promptly and effectively to tho dosired end. It is neither the Je bor intention of the comimand- ing officer to interiere with the usual and legitimate duties of the polico department in the protection of person and property, or in the exoreisu of upy of your | cbrlard chief civil oflicer tu the city. Assuming you avo also tho public pouce at heart, there need be no conflict of authority or thwarting of common efforts for the security and assurance of the people. REORGANIZATION OF TUR YOKCE. ‘The Mayor of the city to-day, in compliance with the demands of the citizens, commenced the reorgani- zatwo of the police by discharging a number of the most riotous blacks and appointing white men in their place. The force 1s to be equalized Letween whites and blacks, Bolore this it stood three blacks to one white, the forces at his FLORIDA. BENATOR CONOVER BELIEVES HAYES MAS CAR- RIED FLORIDA. Wasuixotox, Nov. 13, 1876 This morning Secretary Chandier received tho fob ing despatch Tatiamassne, Nov, 12, 1876. As to the rumors regarding Conover (Senator) he bas this morning unequivocally declared to me, ta the presence of three wituessos, tliat he bas sent no tole- gram which did not claim the Stato ag certain Jor the republicans. This hooripeag 8 Just betore leaving tor the North, he selegraphed to New York that the State bad gone republican beyond question, We aro certainly safe. M. L. STERNS. THE COUNTY CANVASSING COMPLETE—THR RE- TURNING BOARD NOT LIKELY TO GET TO WORK IN SEVERAL DAYS—DEMOCRATS X&S1I- MATE DREW’# MAJORITY AT ONK THOUSAND, TWO HUNDRED AND SEVEN-—TAE REPUBLI- | CANS REFUSE TO VULNISH FIGURES—AN IN- DEPENDENT REPUBLICAN PAPLR CONCEDES TRE STATE. TaLLauassen, Nov. 13, 1876. The county canvassing boards doished ther work to- day and the official returns of every county are now wa the hands of the several county clerks. 16 will be 1as- possible to reach thom all before several days bave clapsed. Some counties, such a Manatee, aro fro- queatly three weoks in getting their returns to th capital, Judge Cocke, of the State Returning Board, does pot think that body can get to work in several days, RRVUSED TO CANVASS. Information bas becn received from only one county So far in which the coanty managers bavo refused to canvass the vote, This county ts Hamilion, im which the democratic majority 18 291. Your correspondent received a despatch from Jucksonvillo to-uight an- nouncing that the Hamilton county managers bad re. tused to canvass. No ono bere bas any idea of what the cause of this action is, as tho election there was quiet and orderty, The APrRaL from the refusal of these inauagera to canvass the vote is to apply to the Cireuit Jadge tor awrit of mauda- »mus The democratic committee have sent a sawyer to the scone and he will draw up the proper papers at once and make this appifoation, If the Judge refuses to grant this mandamus thero is no further appeal save in m quo warranto as to why tho officors elected by those returns should not take their seats, The State Board of Can- vassers have no power to act upon the poll of a county that Is not before them. It may be stated that Judge ral election held in this | Bell, the manager who refused to canvass these re turns, is in favor of the republican candidate for Sen- ator In Hamilton county. The throwing out of the vote is bat the beginaing of a contest in which dozens of county returns will be ripped up and fought over. TRLEGRAPH OPERATOR REMOVED. The telegraph operator at this point was removed on a charge made by « republican official, Governor Stearng It is said that the operator disclosed offcia! the greatest number of votes for the offices for which | Secrets to the democrats, and thut It was not salo to they were respectively candidatos, and declare the | #nd a despatch through his hands, Superintendent game and certily it to the Secretary of State, The Board went into secret session to consider the ,| Brenner suspended himgthis moraing, and will be here to-morrow to look into the charges, The semova, created @ great deal of oxcitement, and a heavy point raised. After some deliberation the doors were | pressure will bo brought to bear to secure his opened and Secretary of State Hayne, President of the Teappoimiment, 1s wi said that the ropa D, TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 14, 1876.—TRIPLE SHEET. s licans demanded that he should give their messages precedence and that he declined. On the other ound, it is said that a despatch sent from New York on Wednesday, at eight o'clock, was known on the streets in Tallahassee belore it reached the party addressed, The operator's triends say they wilt prove bim straight. TILDEN’S FALLING BEHIND. The important question now under discussion is the vote by woich Tilden has fatien behind Drew, It is claimed by republicans that it will be pot less than $0 or 1,000, and by the democrats that it cannot exceed 409 and will hardly be more than 200. There are very few data on which to base an opinion, only four or five counties having Sent in their juilreturas, Iu Sumter Tilden ran be- hind Drew 11 votes; in Duval, 6; in Leon, 14; in Jack- sou, 43; in Nassau, 26; in Franklyn, 13; in Orange, 34. Thus im seventecn counties he is 203 votes behind, The samme ratio through the remaining counties would throw him behind even the highest majority claimed for Drow; Dat this proportion will not be preserved. The counties quoted above aro those counties In which the bulk of Northern immigrauts have Settiod, including the cities of Jacksonville, Marion, Taliabassee, Sandford and Orlando. Many of these Northern settlers voted tor Drew, but supported Hayes, | befng under the leadership of Solon Robinson and meu of bis class, ln the Western aud Southern paris of the State the loss will be much smaller, if it is any- thing at all. In Santa Rosa Tilden leads Drew one Vote. It is claimed, and justly, 1 believe, that as mnany democrats in the South and West will scratch Drew, who isa Northern man, as will scratch Tilden {don’t think that Tilden can fall behind over 500 vores atthe outside, It will likely be Jess. DEMOCRATIC BSTIMATE, There is little new in election Ogures, To-day tho Democratic Committee, after a careful session, author- tze the following cstimate;—Thirty-four counties have been semi-offletally heard from, all reliably, an give Drew 373 majority, The five remaining couoties in 1874 gave a domocratic majority uf 048, whieh | would make Drew's majority 1,021, but the percentage of increased majorities to which these counties are entitled by comparivon with counties heard from is 186, Add this and Drow’s majority, aa the committee estimates it, 1s 1,207. 11s fair to say that the democratic committee has been thus far remarkably correct in wll its estimated mujorities, and it w claimed that, with ouly five coun- tos to hear from, their estimate has’ not beem wrong 100 votes, NO REPEULICAN FIGURES. The republicans retuse to furnish any figures, To” hight tho Sun, independout republican, concedes that Tilden has carried the Stute by SUV Lo 500, aud Drew by us much more. x DETACTIVES AND FOLITICLANM. I¢ appears that auy nutuber of secret service men, detectives and political mampulators are moving on this devoted land. Several ure here already. Judge Merton, of Virginia, who ov successially urgavized the | unsuccessiul Conkliag movement, is here, moving about quietly in spectal trains, Tho Domocratic Com- mittee received the following to-night. It is one of a dozen of similar import :—- A SAMPLE DRSPATCIL. PuILaDeLrMia, Nov, 12, 1876, To G, I’. Rawgy, Tallahassee ;— R, W. Mackey and M. 8. Gray, of this State, lott here on Thursday wight for your place. They ure special Iriends of Secretary Cumeron aud bavo the neediul with them. W. M. McCLEDAN. Chairman Democratic State Committee, General Ruger, arrived here this eveuing and as- sumed command. Governor Drew is here at Demo- cratic Heudquarters. MAMILTON COUNTY Canvass. Later:—A despatch just received states that an accommodation was reached in Hamilton county late this evening and that the canvasmng ts now progress- tng. The alleged irregularities will go before the State Board, ALLEGED FRauD. A despatch received states that aflidavits of two election inspectors and three citizens, with other proot, ba’ been forwarded from Alachua county, showing that only 316 votes were cas¢ at Archer pro” cinct, while 635 were reported by the mauvagors, the surplus being given to Stearns, No tally sheet was found in the box. The despatch states that tho proof tu absolutely conclusive. 1t ia respoctably signed. ALLEGED BALLOT BOX STUFFING. Savaxxau, Ga, Nov. 13, 1876, The following special has been received from Gaines- ville, Fla :— Tho ballot box at Archer, in this county, was stufled with 280 fraudulent votes, which were counted in by the cunvassers. GENELAL LOGAN DECLINES TO GO sOUTH— PROMINENT CITIZENS EN ROUTE FOR NEW OBLEANS. Cuicago, Il., Nov,.13, 1876, Senator John A, Logan has declined the invitation to make one of the party to visit New Orle«ns, believ- ing that there would be an impropriety iu his doing 80, since the matter of the Jouisiana vote will prob- ably come before the United States Senate. Hon. C. B, Farwell, J. M. Beardsiey, a lawyer of Rock Island, und Mesers. Taylor and Haven, mer- chants of Chicago, have goue from here to New Urieans. DENIAL FROM SECRETARY CHAND- LER. Wasuixatos, Nov..13, 1976. Sceretary Chandler says ther ts no foundasion what- ever for the report, telegraphed from New Orleans to some Northern journals, that be bas telegraphed to Governor Kellogg that Louisiana must be counted for Hayes at all isazards, aud that Kellogg bas.givon sssur- anco thet it will be so counted, Secretary Chandier ewpbatically deores that he has e.ther asked or re- ceived any such assurance, THE [MPENDING CRISIS, THE TWENTY-SECOND JOINT RULE. SENATOR SUKRMAN ON THE ACTION OF THR4| LAST CONGRESS ON THE SUBJECT—ANTAGO- NISTIc VIEWS O¥ THR TWO HOUSES. MansvixLv, Ohio, Oct, 23, 1876, To tuw ERviron or tuk Cixcidsatt Comueuctat :— Iu comphance with your request for the history of the maunor 1g whieh the twenty-second joint rulo of Une two Houses of Congress, regulating the mode ot counting the electoral vote tor side@nt, was abro- gated, 1 have looked through the proceedings of Con- gress at the last session, and And the following stages of the action on this question:— Va the loth of December, 1875, Mr, Edmands,.ot Vermont, offered a resolution as tullow: ¥ Kesulved, Thut the joins ruler of the Seunte aad the House of Kepresentatives, in torce ut the alow of the last session ot Cungress, be, aud the same are hereby, adopted &s the Joint rules of the two houses atthe prasens session, — Congressional Keeord, p. 220. After a siatement Ly Mr. Eduiuuds that bis object | was to obtain @ repors of the Comunitsee on Rules as to whether the jomt rules of the lust session wore in force without any voto at the present somion, the resviution was referred to that committov, January 10, 1876, the Commitiee on Rules, by Mr. Hamlin, reported back the resolution with an amend- meut making 1% © concurrent resolution of the two houses instead of & more resdM@tion by the Senate. He also stated bis view of the joint rulee—that they were ouly operative upon the two houses by acquiescence, us Cuch house wus, by the constitution,.empowerod to make its own raies, Mr. Morton thon moved to accept the twenty-second Jornt rule, leaving the rest tn force. Thereupon the Tesvlution avd amendmeut went over,—(Coagressional Record, page 319.) Va tbe ju of January, 1876, the resolution was aguin taken up and the ainendwent of Mr. Morton ex- cepting the twenty-second joint rule, was adopted. ‘Mr, Bayard then offered 4 substitute, Which was re- jected, aud the resolution im the form of 4 concurrent resolution was adopted by the Senate. —{Congrosmenal Record, page 620, Tho uction of the Sencte on this resolution gould only be understood by a reference to the debate on a vill wtrouused by Mr. Morin, at the beginning of the session, to provide for and regulate the counting of votes for President and Vico President, The vill was referred to the Comnnittee cn Privileges and Klections, It was reported back amended, and atier inuch debate passed the Senate on the 24th of March, 1876, by a vouo of 32 yeas to 26 naya ow Congressional ord, pages 1,062, 1,674, 1,900, 1,0, 1,086, 1,045.) On the day of its passage Mr. Thurman, who had voted tor it, moved & reconsideration. This was de- bavod at different times, but no Onal action was bad on in the senate. On the 14th of August, a was an- Bounced to the Sonate that House had passod a resolution iteonth joint rules ir of the session. action of the Houso was based tho tom of Foose cab og “oak ae ee to uently, on the same ir. Edmunds, 19 re- jubweq | cry aes se by the House of Representatives (the Senate ‘That the sixteenth and seventeenth juint rset ate suspended for the remainder of the session,” be respectively returned Ww the House of Representatives, with the statement that, As the House of Kivpresontatives has not notified the Senate Of the adoption of joint rules tor tins prevent session, as pru- by the resoluti of the 20th day of > the House of Reprosenta- , there are no joint And this resolution was unanimously adopted, It seems that the House took no action upon the resolution of the Senate renewing the joint rules, ex: cept tue twenty-seco ule, which regulates the manner of counting th oral vote, aor did the assumed that ibe ol the Senate early bh only during the © that no joint ral Upon the Jomt raw J that the jot rules continued currence of the two houses, and ere 1 force nu whether dh ther house resede from a joint ruie adopted by a previous Co: gress Ihave nodoubl, Kuch house bas the constitu. onal power toradopt its own rules of procedure. No authory can limit this power except by a change o the constituuion, The rules of one house do not bind its successor unless acquiesced in or adoy by it, An act of Congress approved by the President cannot Vind a subsequent house us 10 ite raies und order of business. Jomt rules are but the coucurring opinions or rules of the two independent bodies and cannot biud (heir successors oF prevent either bouse from re- ceding from them, They are matters of mutual an | and coavenience, to continue Which both purties az to them, aud to be revoked at the pleasure of either Any other principle would destroy the independence of tho respeetive houses, While, therefore, | am clear that the Senate had the | power and did recede from the twenty-second jomt Tule, yet it1s a matter of grave regret and solicitude tbat some mode of setting a disputed vote in the | Electoral Cohege has net been provided for, tur i | easy to conceive a contingency when such a dispute | would involve us in acivil war, We can only hope | that the good fortune that bas attended us thos far will continue; that the very gravity of the danger will compet all parties fairly and Wonestly to wubtit vo the will ot the majority expressed in constitutional forma, | and that the counting of the vote by the Vice Iresi- | dent, in the presence of both houses, will bo so impartially done ag to commaod respect and acqui- escence. It isa danger that should be guarded against hy aconstitutional umondment. Although | voted tor tho bill penaiag in the Senate, I had and have doubts whether it was a sulficient security. Perhaps, fur the approaching count,’ the two houses can ugree upon & joint rule, tree from the conceded defects and dangers of the tormer twenty-second joint rule, though 1 hope that the popular choice will be so strong in favor of Governor Haycs that there will be no manner of douns ag to the result, Very truly yours, JOHN SHERMAN, VIEWS OF SENATOR FATON. GEANT'S INVITATION REGARDED AS PARTIAL—~ CONFIDENCK IN A RESULT FAVORABLE TO THM Democracy. Haxtvoxp, Conn, Nov, 13, 1876, Sevator Eaton and General Wiliaw B. Frauklia, both of this city, und who Luge beea reported as ac- cepting the invitation trom the Democrutic Natiouat Committee to go South to witness the official canvass of the Votes in the disputed States, returned Lome to- | day, {me conversation with your correspondent this | evening, Sevator Eaton, while questioning the pro- priety of the President intertermy in the matter ut all, criticised His course in not inviting prominent gentle- men vf the democratic as well as the republican party to yo Soutn in this emergency, and secmod to regard | the President’s coursy as rather one-sided and uniair, | He remarked that such invitations {rom the President to reprosentutives of both parties would have beeu ro- garded in the light of honorable appointments, which would have mot generally with u cheer{ul acceptance, and that the poop!e of the entire country, irrespective of purty, would then have had the highest contidence im.any reports the gentiomen so selected might make, Views, ue gaid, General Franklin tully con. r Eaton further said that he did pot r to.all three of THK DISPUTED STATES as really necessary, aud, in explanation, said ho was confivent from advices received in New York to-day that the result in South Carolina, where the counting of the votes takes pluce this week, will fully decide the question of the Presidency, and that the canvassers ip that State cannot tall to report that the election there bas been carried by the democracy. | While the necessity may not exist, be remarked, for a superintendence of the vourts in Fiorida and Louim jana, it may be quite-as well that there should be som: thing of the kids esabe 7 wontatives of both partion” fy electoral vote tor Tilden 1s not taiuted by fraud. SENATOR BOU'I'WELL’S VIEWS. THE PRESIDENT'’S COURSK APPROVED—THE REPUBLICAN PARTY WILL ABIDE BY THE BE BULT ACCORDING TO ITS LEGAL FORM, Ayan, Mass, Nov. 13, 1876. ‘Wuen the Hunan correspondent came to this towa } to toterview Senator Boutwell on tue Presidential por | plexitics be anticipated a solution of the question He kuew that the Massachusotts Senator was well ag in polities, bagimg-been through the various grades a Cong im, "Stato Governor, Secretary of the Treasary and Qaaily United States Senator. High anticipations of wisdom on tho unseitied question were not realized, however, for Mr. Boutweil, like the crowds who flock around the bulletin boards, is not prepared to give bis positive opioion until more detivite information has reached him. He was, bevere theless, iree to say that Geueral Grant had proved bi. self statesman aud patriot in the acuon he had taken, and he boheved tho whole couutry would sup port Bun, THe DOURTFUL STATES Concerning the doubtful States the Senator said:— “Law quite sure that with anything like a fair couot it wilt be shown that the republicans have carried Louisiana, Florids, Missiesippi aud Soutn Carolina, and nothing out the most gigantic frauas will take them from ua’? “tow about those distinguished citizens who bave gone South?” asked the HekaLy correspoudeut, “Oh, tt amounts to nothing,”’ auswered tho Senator, ; “But stillit will be fortuuste if their observation aud reports can satisfy the country and thus avert trouble. 's retloosion, the Seuator cun- tinued:—"Whilo we may believe that we buve hon- estly carried the election, the republican party will, nevertheless, tako the result according to its leg form and abide by 1” T vere the inal words of Mr. Boutwell, and trom iu which they wore uttered it was cleat tw the Heratp correspondent that he felt inwardly that Mr, Tilden will be tho noxt Presiden! WENDELL PHILLIPS’ GLOOMY VIEW. GRaN1'S PATRIOTISM AND STATESMANSHIP BE« VIRWED—THE SOUTHERN I88UR THE ONLY ON® THAT KERPS THE PARTY ALIVE—HIG VIEW OF TAE SOUTH AND ITS EXPECTATIONS, (From the Boston Herald. } “I advine Bo one who is interested in tho Presidential -olection,”’ sald Weodell Phillips Jast night, to an au- | dieuce of about 1,000 in Parker-Memorial Hail, ‘to feet | certain who is to be the next President of the United | States until we reach the 4th day of March. I do not think that there is any cortainty whatever who will succeod Grant in that scat until the 1st day of March, No matter what tho papers iway say this month or next month, a decision will not be reached certainly beiore the middie of February with anything of a charactor « man can (rust, Thero are various reasons tor this, aad 1b is not mecessary for mo to consider thom, ‘THANKS TO GRANT. “The first word, it seems to me, that is to be uttered to-day, when we may indulge somo hopo that the Obio Governor will succeed General Grant, the Grat words to be ustered to-day aro the thanks of the nation ta General Grant, (Applause.) If the Repuvlic is safe, so that aleyal band holds the beim for the next tour years, we shall owo it to tho tar-sighted statesmanshig and fearless patriotism of the present President— {applause)—feariess in facing popular misunderstand jog and misconstruction as he was in facing the enemys ; Cautions in never overstepping the law and pt to the extreme verge of his constua- tional authority when it was necessary to save the United States, there has been no man in that chaii who bas been so willing to tako responsibility as Grant since Andrew Jackson quitied it in taking responsi- bility promptly and initiating measures that were ecessary to salvation of the Republic, In was his name will stand side by side with that of Andrew Jackson ; bax Ayre has added to bis lacrels, and this year, it sucoveds in what ho has under. taken, wil shroud his memory with the our called, aud from the time be took the responsi- bility ia Lowisinns to the timo he takes it to-day,