The New York Herald Newspaper, June 3, 1876, Page 5

' NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY, JUNE 3, 1876.—TRIPLE SHEET SCANDAL. Cross-Examination of the Witness Harney by Mr. Kerr’s Counsel. TESTIMONY OF EX-CONGRESSMAN STRAUSE How the Ex-Doorkeeper Hoped to Make a Little Money. THE. PRIVATE LETTERS OF MR. BLAINE. Mulligan, Atkins and Fisher on the In- terminable Bond Question. anes Pie eae Copresentative Meade on Current Investiga- tions and the Situation. ———-—_— AN INQUIRY INTO HARNEY'S ANTECEDENTS THE BLAINE ORDEAL, THE EX-SPEAKER REFUSES TO DELIVER THE PRIVATE LETTERS UNDER THE ADVICE OF COUNSEL—CROSS-EXAMINATION OF MULLI- GAN—MESSRS, ATEINS AND FISHER ON THE INTERVIEW AT THE RIGGS HOUSE, Wasnixcros, June 2, 1876. Tho Sub-Judiclary Committee reassembled at two o'clock. Great interest was manifested, and the com. mittee room was filled with members of Congress, mewspaper men and others. Mr. Hunton said—I renew the request that was made yesterday, and ask at your hands the production of the letters in your possession that were obtained {rom the witness (Mr. Mulligan) to be inspected by the com- mittee. MR. BLAINE’S STATEMENT. Mr, Blaine—I stated yesterday that I would submit the case to two eminent counsel and woald be guided by them. I had previously submitted the case to sev- eral personal friends, reading the letters to them fully, I did this to show the utter falsity of the state- ment of the witness (Mulligan) in regard to their characte? as in any way compromising my honor or in- tegrity, or my official or personal relations in life, 1 did that with personal and intimate friends, tn order to get their judgment, and in order by that vory act to show that the story of these letters being in any way damaging to my reputation, or in the slightest degree tending to discredit or dishoner me, ts entirely erro- neous, As to tho other question involved—that of Jogal Tight—I said, as you will remember, that I would take the opinion of counsel and bo guided by that, I selected, accordingly, two omi- nentlawyers, They wentover every letter, read st and Feread and questioned me upon it to see if there were anything even latent or indirect m them that bore upon the jurisdiction of this committes, the counsel hay- jug at the same time the resolution before them under which the commuttee is acting, and all the facts apper- taining to the case being within their knowledge. Those gentlemen gave me this opinion, OPIMON OF COUNSEL. Blaine has laid before us Gfteen let. > Warren Fisher, Jr., between the inclusive. and three other papers in The Hon. James ters written by him Yyenrs 186k and 187. the same package, making eighteen papers in ail, which “he informs us he received from James Mulligan on the Bier of May, at the Riggs House, in the city of Washington. crrefully examined these letters and papers nt) with the intent to ascertain whether the Into by a resolution of she Honse, passed May 2, 1876. We fo not hesitate to say that the letters and papers afore- anid have no relevancy whatever to the matter under in- niry. We have po doubt the committes itself would decide 00 Of their rel the same way. result of this it follows that Mr. Blaino, havi letters and papers tn ht + bound to der them. Referring halne’s vrivate affairs and be Ing wholly beyond tne of the investigation which the committee is authorized to make, it would be most unjust and tyrannical aswell as illegal 10 demund their production. ‘We ailvise Mr. Blaine to assert his right as an American cit- fzen and resist any such and to the Inst extremity. . §, BLACK, } Counseilors- M. MH. CARFENTER 5 at-Law, Mr. Hunton to Mr. Blaine—Do you wish the com- hoe! oA understand that you decline to produce the letters Mr. Blaine—Yes, sir. Q. You spoke yesterday of a statement accompany- ing these letters made ont by Mr. Mulligan, We ask rou Lo produce that statement? A. I sechine to do it; he Statement does not contain any of tho contents of any of tho letters, but 1s a schedule of them with their daies, &c. MULLIGAN’S TESTIMONY. n recalled— Witness was asked whether e contents of the letter to which he re- ferred hagawered dressed to Mr. Fisher, which drew trom Mr. Blaine the answer bearing on the bonds of the Little Rock and Fort Smith Railroad Company, Tho witness said that Mr. Fisher bad asked Mr, Blaine for a statement. A good deal of correspond- ence took place and Mr. B Maintained that he haa lost by those bonds. Mr. Fisher said that Mr. Blaine had sold a lot of his bonds and received $64,000 for them. Mr, Blaine replied to this that if Mr.,Fishor was under the impression that be had made money he was deceived. The witness further testified that Mr. Blaine, in con- versation in Mr, Atkins’ office, spoke of how much he had lost. The witness there made reply that ho had not lost and that he kpew where he put the bonds, which cost him nothing except im their negotiation, He knew what he had stated about Mr. Blaine’s receiy- ing money for the bonds through Mr. Atkins. Mr. Biaine here interrogated the witness, with the result that there was nothing in the letters which had been in his-possession, and which Mr. Blaine now held, relating to the Union Pacific Railroad Company or Thomas A. Scott, or the $64,000; and that yutside of the witness’ memorandum book (which he yester- day produced) $40,000 worth of the bonds of the Little Rock and Fort Smitn Railroad went to Mr, Biaine. They were land grant bonds, and the 21st of September, 1872, was the day of tinal settlement tween him and Mr, Fisher, Fisher gave Mr. Bisine $40,000 worth of the bonds, and told him he must look to Caldwell for the remainder, The Chairman wanted to know whether the $40,000 of bonds the witness handed to Mr. Blaine were a rem- Dant of the bonds ailuded to by him sm the memoran- dam book, Mr. Blaine remarked the delivery of the bonds by him was after the Union Pacitic Railroad transaction with Colonel Scott was closed and dead. Mr. Fryo (an adviser of Mr. Blaine) remarked that Mr. Biarne bad not yet received the remaining bonds due him. James Mali he could give TESTIMONY OF MR, ATKINS, Elisha Atkins was recalled, aud testified In answer to @ question by Mr. Blaine that he never said im Mulli- n’s presence that ‘Mr. Blaine was the ow! ot the fittie Rock and Fort Sinith jand grant bonds that went to the Union Pacife Railroad Company; nor had he ever said so to anvhody; four or five years ago, prob- ably in 1872, « project was started to reorganize the Little Rock and Fert Smith Railroad Company; the witness owned some of the bonds and knew some of the bondholders, and Mr, Fisher knew eome of them; Qnd witness mentioned that the Union Pacific Rati. road Company owned seventy-five of the bonds; witness could not have sad, as Mr, Maolhgan testified, that Mr. Blaine’s bonds wont to the Union Pacific Railroad Company, because he did not know anything of the kind; the witn testidied as to what took place at the Riggs House about tho letters in Mulligan’s possession; Mr. Blaine asked Mr, Mulligan to give him the letters, as they were private Property and had no relevance to the tnatter before the committee; tho witness came in as Mr. Blaine was receiving them; Mr. Blaine cutered the room of the Witnoss tho jast time he obtained the letters from Mr, Malligan; Mr. Mulligan followed him. and demanded that Mr. Blaine return to him the letters; Mr. Blaine asked him what he was going to do with the ietters, to which Mr. Maliigan replied that he would publish them ifany- boy should impeach his testimony, thus keeping tho letters tor his own purpose, Mr. Biaino asked the witness whether he had any knowledge before: he came here to indicate wniriendl- ness onthe part of Mr. Mulligan toward him, to which question the witness remarked that Mulligan appar- ently Jabored under a sense of wrong. Mr, Blaine here said he wanted to establish tho fact that Mulligan came here with malignancy and bitt ness, The witness farther said be had brief conve! tions with Mr. Muiligan at tunes, aud that the latter's Ianguage lett the impression on his mind that he: was not Biaine’s friend. He hed a short conversation with Mulligan three weeks 4; in his own eilice, He atked Mulligan how his friend Blaine was getting along. Mulligan said, in a general way, he did vet Know much of Blaine, and expressed the opinion that Blaine was not the man for the Presi- dential nominason, . In reply to the question by Mr. Blaine whether he heard of any reason for Mulligan not being kindly to him, the witess said that Mulligan thought ihat Biait id not treat him right in his settlement of tho a 1 bis (Mr. Blaine’s) brother-in-law, Stanwood, al was Stanwood’s contidential clerk, ana said ia Bi in to juestion by the chair. man, said toabho arrived hero Monday snoraing; bo 6 went back on him in the settlement, did not come in company with Mulligan and Fisher, though by accident he went to the same hotel, Recur- ring to what was said by Mulligan in presence of the witness about delivering up the letters, the witness said that Mulligan’s was very emphatic. Mr. Blaine— Did he pot say that he would not give the letters to God Almighty or tis father. A. He used languxge under great excitement on that occasion; bis language, however, was usually very different. ur. laine—I ghink that’s a now feature in theology. The witness stated that he bad known Mr, Mulligan since 1865; character for truth a veracity; last Friday or Saturday Mr. Blame telegraphed to him to come to Washington, “Come immediately and you will do me a favor;” he replied to the telegram that he did not think tt would be well for him to appear without being summoned. : Mr. Blaine then propounded questions to the wit- ness, which were answered, the object being to show the face of the bonds was the same in Boston as those which went from that city to Maine, ‘MR, FISHERS TESTIMONY. Warren Fisher recalled. a 4 Mr, Buarne—Do you recollect ever suggesting to me in alotter that I had obtamed money Piviugh Thomas A. Scott by selling Little Rock bonds to the Union Pacific Railroad? A, No, sir. Q. Have you any recollection of having ever written such a thing? A. No, sir. Q@ [ want to know whether, after I obtained tho let- ters from Mr. Mulligan, I said to you, inthe presence of Mr, Atkins, that your title to those letters was su- perior to mine, and that 1 offered them to you if you wanted to take them? A. I think there were such remarks made. By the Chairman—State what those remarks were, A. They were as he (Mr. Blaine) put them, Q I want you to state them now? A. He said to Mr. Mulligan that I had a prior right to those letters— that they belonged to me rather than to Mr, Mulligan. ‘That was said in the presence of Mr, Mulligan ? A. That was said in the presence of Mr.,Mulligan. * 'Q Did not I suggest to you that if you desired those letters I would surrender them? A. Yes, sir, Q And did not you repiy that you did not desire them? A. I don’t think I said that; I don’t remember of saying that. i Q What did you say in response to tho suggestion that I would give them to you if you wanted them? A. Mr. Mulligan said he would not give them. Q ButI mean when Mr, Mulligan was not present? (Objected to and ruled out). By the Chairman—Dii you get any telograms from Washington before you leit Boston? A. 1 did. Q From whom? A. From James G, Blaine. Q. Where are they? A. I don’t know that I kept them. Q State Le aby ag have possession of those tele- grama or not? A. I have not, sir. Q. You cannot say whether or not you preserved them in Boston? A. I cannot; it was but one tele ram. : @ State what the charactor of that telegram was? A. I think {t was about five words—''Come to Washing- ton without fail.”’ Q, When was that? A. Saturday; I received it about half-past twelve. Q. What time did you leave Boston? A. I left Boston on Monday morning at ten o'clock. Q Had you been served with a subperna at the time you got this telegram? A. No, sir; I got my subpoena at ten minutes or Give minutes before three, @ On Saturday? A. Ou Saturday. Q Did you any other telegram? A. No, sir. @ That was the only one? A. That was the only one, Q From any sourcer A. From any source. Q, You got to Washington, I believo, on Tuesday, otane yon! A Yes, @ When did you first see Mr. Blaine? A. From half-past four to five o’clock. Q. Tuesday afternoon? A. Tuesday afternoon, Q Where did you see him? A. In the barber shor, Q Had you not previous to that been at Mr. Blaine’s house? A. No; I had but just arrived. @ Did Mr. Blaino know the time of your expected arrival? A. He did not know that I had come, to my knowled, Q Did you refer to his telegram? A. I did not. Q. You had just gotten into the hotel when Mr. Blaine made his appearance? A. Yes. @ Did yon seo him after that? A. Yes. Q. Where? A. At his house, Q Did you go with him from the hotel to his house ? A. Idid not, sir. Q Why did you go to his house then? A. Because he asked mo to come there, Q. Asked you in this interview that you and he had? A. Yes. Q. Dian’t he send for-you? A. Yes, sir, @ Did he write youn note? A. Yes, sir, @ Have you got that note? A. No, sir, 1 think not, Q Can you state the wordsof it? A. You and Mr. Mulgan come to the house this evening, Q That was all that was in it? A. [think so. By Mr. Blaine—Q. Didn't I'say in that note that I wanted to see you in regard to that Aquila Adains_pub- lication about the Northern Pacific Railroad? a. 1 don't know but you did and I don’t know as you did, T almost forgot about it. Q You went up there? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did Mr, Mulligan go with you? A. No, sir, Q. Did he go up afterward? A. No, sir, Q Was ho sent tora second time? | A. Ho was. Q@ Was ho sent for a thirdtime? A. Possibly; I think not, though. Q How came Mr. Mulligan into possession of these letters which are now in ;oesession of Mr, Blaine? ‘A. Ho has always had possession of them. Q. Did you know that he was bringing them on to Washington? A. I did, sir. Q Did you object to his bringing them? A, I did Dot, Q. He brought them, then, with your consent and ap- probation’, A, He ‘aid, sir. By Mr. Lawrence—Q You had had a settlement with Mr. Blaine? Yes, Q In that settlement was it agreed or arranged that Mr. Blaine should tear up all the papers relating to the subject mattor of the settlement, including these let- ters in question? A. I guppose thatI gave up to Mr. Blaino all the documents and papers that he asked for, and as to theso letters I did not really know that they were in existence. By Mr. Blaine—Q. Your understanding was that when we settled up 1 had got everything? A. Every business paper; I think you did; infact, I feel sure you did; 1 think they were destroyed in my office. By the Chairman—Q. You say he got ali tho papers that it was agreed he should haveY A. That was my impression. By Mr, Lawrence—Q. Wasn't he to have theso let- ters also? A, If I had known of their being there I think I should have mentioned the fact, and if he de- sired thom I should have given them to him without doubt. By the Chairman—Q Did you keep a letter book at thet timet A. No, sir. Q. Have you heard Mr, Mulligan’s statement about the correspondence between you and Mr, Blaine? A. 1 did not, sir, Q. You did not hear his statement on that subject ? A. [could not hear a word, str. @ Did youever frite to Mr. Blaine, or can you recollect that vou ever did so, about a settlement be- tween you and him? A. Yes, sir. Q Did he reply to you that he nad lost upon these bonds which he had to take back from bis friends in Maine? word of mouth. Q. Did you reply to Mr. Blaine that he had gotten off some of these bonds at a good price, or anything like that! A. [think I did. Q What did you mean by that? A. I meant that he had resold them. Q To wbom! A. I didn’t know. Q Didnt you mention when that conversation took lace that they had been sold to the Union Pacific Ratirond Company? A. That was what I intended to convey to Mr. Biaine, that he had not lost much on these bonds, because he had got a portion of them off ata price to the Union Pacific, Q How many did you understand that he got off to the Union Pacific? A. I dia not understand any. Q@ From whom did you understand what you did understand? A. Through Mr. Atkins, Q Mr. Atkina did tell you, then, that Mr. Blaine bad otten off some of these Little Rock bonds to the Union worfic? A. No, sir. He didn’t tell me any such thin, 'Qitow, then, did you understand it? A. That was the inference I drew trom his remark. ‘Q What was that remark? A. I can’t say precisely, but will give itto you as near asiIcan; Mr, Atkins was speaking about a reorganization of the Little Rock and Fort Smith Railroad; that reorganization was that the old bondholders, the original bondholders, should go into the reorganization on acertain basis; | do not remember that basis; he ke to mo about the bondholders; asked mo if 1 of any bondholders that they didao’t know; he thou 1 might be familiar with some of them, and | gave him all the information in reeard to it that I bad at the time; I said to him, ‘Will you get all the bonds in?’” and he said that if they got three-quarters in it would be safficient, or something like that; there was agen- eral talk about it; he said that the Union Pacific road had some of the bonds, and said that they could come in; Lasked where the bonds came from, and the inter- ence that | got-—— @ State what he said. A, I don’t remember what - said, but the imierence I got was that they were 'vo1 Q, Did he tell you how many the Union Pacific had? A. No, sir, he did not—that 1, i think did not. @ Did he mention the name of Thomas A, Scott? A I don’t know that he did, aod I don’t know but he did; I forget all about that; it 18 four or five years ago, five years very likely. Q Then in this correspondence between you and Mr. Blaine touching a settlement about Little Rock and Fort Smith bonds you troated the matter as if Mr. Blaine had got off a portion of them upon the Union Pacifie Company at & rg price? A. 1 don’t know how I treated 1; I might bave indirectly or directly re- ferred to it in that way. Q Do you recollect any references to this matter in areply that Mr. Bia! wrote you? A. No, sir; [do not. @ do not recollect that he said in one of his let. ters that if he had got them off at a price he ba not held the money long, but that it went to his friends in Maine? A. I heard that part of a letter read. @ When? A. While l was on tho wry cither from Boston to New York or from New York to Washington. Q. On this present trip cf yours to Washington? A. Yen. Q@ And within the last few days? A. Yes. @ Did you hear apy other letter than this read? & A. Yeo, sir. ‘@ Can you state the points of the letters which you heard read—I donot mean with verbal accuracy, but substantially so? A. No, sir, | could not @ But you recollect substantially that in one of them Mr. age said that, if he did Bet wag taser off, as you had su in your letter, id or, held the money tong, but that It went to his Maine friends? A, Words to that effect, ye Q How Jong bare you kaown Mr, Mulligan? A. I bare known Mr. Mutligan sixteen or twenty voors. @ Have you known him intimately? A. I have, str. Q. What'is his character? A, His character 1s the Dest; 1 would say that it ts as good as, or perhaps better than, that of any man shat I ever knew. @ What is his roputation for truth and yoracity? A. I never heard i questioned, ever heard anything impeaching his | A. He did not reply by letter; he said so by . Q. Havo you ever demanded from Mr. Mulligan the possession of these letters? A. I have, sit. Q When? A, Since I have been in this clty. Q Had you ever demanded them until Mr. Blaine got possession of them? A I bad, sir. Q When? A. Since I have been in this city. Q At whose instance did you make that demand for those letiers? A. 1 made it at my own instance. Q Was it not suggested to you? A. No, Q Were you uot rejuested to make that demand? A. Not the first time I made the demand, Were you ever requested by anybody to muke that demand after the first time? “A, I was. Q. By whom? A, Mr. Blaine Q He asked you to demand these letters? A. He did not ask me to demand them. Q Well, what did he say? A. Mr, Blaine asked me to get Mr, Mulligan to give them to me. Q What were you to do with them if you got them? A. [ proposed to keep them it I got them, Q Was this after arcierenze had been made in bis examination by Mr. Mulligan to the letters? A. No, sir, but betore that, Q When was it? A, [think it was Tuesday night 1 am under the impression, though 1 may be wrong, that nothing occurred between Mr, Blaine and Mr. Mulligan about the letters antil Wednesday. Q Was there anything said between Mr. Blaine and Mr, Mulligan about these letters until alter the first examination here? A. I think not, sir. Q Then the request {rom Mr. Blaine to you to get session Of these letters from Mr. Mulligan was afier ir, Mulligan hud spoken of the letters in bis first ex- amination? A, Yes, I think that was so, Q. Then you had better correct your first answer? A. No; 1 said I had made the request of Mr. Mulligan to give them to me on Tuesday night. Q You had? A. That was my first request, ‘ Q Was thatafter yon saw Mr. Blaine? A, I think it was, Q@ When yousaw Mr Blaine was it mentioned be- tween you and Mr, Biaine that Mr. Mulligan had these letters in his possession? A. It was mentioned by Mr. Blaine that Mr. Mulugan bad these letters, Q Did Mr, Blaine ask you to go and get these let- ters? A. There was one letter that Mr. Blaine was very Pagtlonias to got. Q. Did he or not ask you to go down and get theso letters? A. Yes. Q And the request that you made of Mr. Mulligan to return these letiers to you was after, and in conse- quence of the request from Mr. Blaine? A. Yes. Q State what letter this was that Mr. Blaiue was espectaliy anxious to get holdof? A. A letter relating to the Northern Pacific Railroad, Q. Was that the one he was particularly anxious to gow? A. Yes. Q@ How did ho know that Mr, Mulligan had such I letter? A. [think that Mr, Blaine inay have asked me the question whether such a letter was there, and a probably told him that I believed there was, @ Did you tell him the contents of any of the other letters that Mr. Mulligan bad? A. 1 do not think I did, sir. Q Were you present when Dr, Mulligan delivered these letters to Mr. Blaine the first time? A. No, sir. Q In Mr. Atkins’ room, I mean? A. No, sir; 1 was not present. Q > You don’t know anything about the delivery by Mr. Mulligan of the lotters to Mr. Biaine? A, No, sir. Q Were you in Mr. Atkins’ room when Mr. Muiligan came in and demanued those letters from Mr. Blune? A, 1 Was. bd Q Mr. Blaine refused to deliver them up? A. He did; ue refused to give them up, @ Did or dic not Mr. Mulligan say to Mr. Blaine that he had got those letters up stairs in his room under a promise to return them? A. I believe he did, Q Did Mr. Blaine deny or assent to the declaration of Mr. Mulligan that he had got the letters under a promise to return them? A, He said that he had the letters, Q Was that all he said in response to the demand of Mr. Mulligan for the possession of the letcers? A, Yos, eur; 1 thing it was. Q. Did Mr, Blaine say to Mr, Mulligan or to you that the letters should be delivered up to you? A. Yos, sir; he said that no third party shouid hold them; that they did not belong to them. Q. Did yon agroe or decline to take them? A. I asked for them Q When? A. Several times, Q When Mr, Blaine had them? A. No, sir; not when Mr. Blaine had them, Q. Now, Iam speaking of the time after Mr. Blaine £9 possession of those letters. A. No, sir, I don’t think | said anything about them, Q You made no respovse when Mr. Blaine said you might have possession of these letters? A. No, sit. @ You would have received thom all from Mr. Blaine? A. Certainly I should if he had given them to me. Q. Did he offer to vive them to you? A. Ho did not, Q It iw had givon them and you had received them what disposition would you have made of them? A. I should have kept thei . yy Mr. Buaixe—Q What did Mr. Mulgan say, if anything, i your presence about his intention respect- ing those letiers—what he would do with them? A, He said that he should keep these letters, that in case his statements were questioned or doubted anybody he would have these letiers to reter to, and he should publish his statement witn those letters. Q. Did be base his publication of them or his inten- tion to publish them on the fact that I should ques. tion his statement, or that anybody should question it ? A. Anybody. Q. If anybody questioned his statement he would publish them? A. Yes. Q And that he would feol justified in publishing these letters? Yes, Q@ Atuny time? A. Yes, at any time. By the Coammax—Wos his purpose in publishing those letters to vindicate himself in case he was assailed? A. Yes, to appear right before the world, Q. A good deal has been said abont Mr. Mulligan’s maneer when Mr. Blaino got possession of those let- tors and refused to return them, Stato to the com- mittee what was the manner of Mr. Blaine A. If did not sor y thing different from what ho is at the pres- ent time. hit ‘Was he not excited? A. He walked the room a ttle, Q But was his manner excited? Were there agy in- dications of excitement other than that of walking the room? A. No, sir. Q What was his manner and state of mind when you went to his house the night belore? A. I did not see any particular change in his manner or state of mind when I went to his house, Q. Was he calm? A. I donot know whethor he was calm or otherwise. He appeared the samo to me th: he has always appeared. Q. You did not see auy unusualexcitement? A, No, D By Mr. Blaine—Q. How long fhave you and I been acquainted, Mr. Fisher? A. Since the month of Jane, 1852. Q, We became acquainted through whom? A. Eben C. Stanwood. ‘ Q. What relation was he to me? A. Your brother- in-law. Q. Through bim our soqaintance began and It bi continued since that tuner Yer. Q. You had business relations with bim? A. I waa @ partner with bim; | served my time in bis counting room. Mr. Blaine-—I desire to call attention to a fact in this memorandum book. I suppose I am at Hverty to do so. The Chairman—Not in the shape of an argament. Mr. Blaine—No; but 4 fact. 1 desiro to call atten- tion to the {uet that there are but $28,000 land bonds sold to the State of Maine people, accurding to the evi- dence in the memorandum book. (The memorandum book produced by Mr. Mulligan.) By the Chairman—Q If you had those letters pow, Mr. Fisher, what would you do with them? A, Ith get the letters I will answer the question alterward. The Chairman—I notify you now as a witness sub- penaed belore this commitice, that if you get those Papers you must not destroy them. ‘The witness—I shall not destroy them, sir, Mr. Blaine—And I will pledge myseif as a witness be- fore the committee that the person having them will not destroy them. Mr. Fisher desired to make a correction in his testi- eee whereupon ho was further examined as fol- lows : By the Chairman—Q. Did Mr. Blaine offer you those letters before you left your room or Mr, Atkins’ room? Havo I asked you that question already? A. No, sir, Mr, Biaine—That was asked, The Witness— No, I think not. Mr. Frye—It was asked, | heard tt, The Chairman—l asked him the question whether he had demanded a return of these letters from Mr. Mulli- in prior to Mr. Mullignn’s mentioning having the fiers in bis first examination. (To the witness.) But you can go on and make your correction, By Mr. Blaine—Q. The question was, did I offer you these letiers in the presence of Mr, Atkins? A. You did. Q. Did I do it once or twice? A. You offered thom to me, Q L offored them to you (with emphasis), and did I ot call Mr. Atkins’ attention to the fact that I now fered to you those letters, and if you did not choose o tuke thoir custody I would? A. Yes; words to that effect. @ (oy Chairman). Did you agree to receive them? A. No, sir; 1 said I wonld not. Q. You deetined to receive them? A. I declined to receive them. Q (by Mr. Blaine). Then did [ not state to you that I would retain them, and would not give them up to A. And that you would bring them back or hal!-past nine. Q (by the Chairman). Bring them back when? A. At nine or ten o'clock that os Q. Did he bring them back at half-past nine? A. That or tev. * Q Was that the first time he got possession of them or the second? A, When he had them in his pocket. Bie Bisine—it was the first time when I got pos- Q It was when ho got them and refused to return them to Mr. Mulligan? A. Yea, Q@ He brought them back at half-past nine? A. About hail-past nine to ten. @ And then what did he do with them? A. Carried them back again. Q Did he offer them to youagain? A. I don’t re- member that he did again, but he did tno first time before he loft the room. Q. By Mr, Lawrence—Was Mr. Mulli he offered them to you? A. No, sir, I think not, By Mr, Biaine—Was Mr. Atkins present? A Yes. Q Did Teall Mr. Atkins’ attention especially to the in presont when fact that J offered them to you’ A. Yee. By irman—Why did Mr. Blaine come back with them half-past nine or ten o'clock. A. Bo- cause he had agrees to. Q Agroed with whom?, A. Mr. Mulligan, Q Did be see Mr. Mulligan when he camo back at baif-past nine or ten o'clock? A, Not that night, Q Who did he see when he returned at half-past nine or ten o’elock? A. He saw Mr. Atkins and my- soit. ®Q Why did be promise Mr, Mulligan to retarn with the letter at half-past nine or ten o'clock? Was it to return letters to Mr. Mulligan? A. That wus the understanding, I guess; he said he would be back with ~ aie 10 hig pocket at baif-past nine or ten o'clock. Q@ And the understanding was that when he came back about half-past nine or'ten o'clock, he was to re- Suro them to Mr, Mulligan? A, No, sir, Q You said so awhile ago? A. Thon I did not an- derstand the question. For what purpose was he to return with the let- ters at half-past nine or ten o'clock? a matter of agreement betwoen nim «nd Mr. Mulligan. é Q. What was the matter of agreement? A. Ido not ‘bow. * Q. Then how do you know that it was a matter of agreement? A. Because i heard them state it Q What did you hear them state? A, The fact that he would be back with the letters at ball-past pine or ten o'clock, Q What for? A. I do not know. Q What did you understand for? A, I did not un- derstand at all Q When ho went off with these letters which he had got from Mr. Mulligun he promised him to come back with the letters at hail-past nipe o'clock? A, Or ten. Q Did hecome back with the letters at half-past nino | or ten o'closk, but did not see Mr. Mulligan? A. He | did not see Mr. Mulligan to my knowledge, , Q“Is that the correction you wish to make "9A. Yes, sir, (3 By Mr, Biaine—I did not see Mr. Mulligan because Mr. Mulligan was pot in the room * A. Yes. Mr. Blaine—I went to the room where he had been, and | was there by agreement and he was not? By the Chairman—1f vou know that fact you may nie it, A. That is the fact; Mr. Mulligan was not ere. Q Where was Mr. Mulligan? A. I do not know. Mr. Muiligan—I was in the hotel ali night; I was in the room when he came back with the lettors, and I stayed there for some time, and they began to talk to mea long time about those letters, and I told them plainly that 1 would talk with them no longer upon tho subject; he refused to deliver me the letters and | went out, The Chairman—That was when he came back at half. past nino or ten o'clock ? Mr. Mutligan—Yes, Adjourned until to-morrow morning at eleven o'clock. THE KERR SCANDAL, THE WITNESS HARNEY AGAIN ON THE STAND— HIS INTERVIEW WITH DISTRICT ATTORNEY BLISS—IMPORTANT TESTIMONY OF EX-REPBE- SENTATIVE STROUSE. Wasuixoton, June 2, 1876, ‘The crogs-examivation of Lawrenco Harney was re- sumed to-day before the Committee on Expenditures in the War Department, Mr. R. K. Elliott, counsol for Speaker Kerr, conducting it ‘The witness suid he would like to have Speaker Kerr present, Mr. Clymer, the Chairman, repiied that Mr. Kerr wos not well enough to be here. The witness said the time that elapsed between his first interview with Greene, who was secking a position in the army, and his first interview with Mr. Kerr on the subject was inside of a month; within that time he was looking among mombers of Congress to find out who har such an appointment in the army, He spoke to William A. Darling, Henry J. Kaymond and Nelson Taylor and another member of the House trom Brook- lyn, since dead. He did not recollect the names of any others, and may have applied to the gentlemen named for information. ‘The witness repeated much of what ho said on the direct examination, including the statement that Mr. Maguire.” To sum up the character of Harney, in the Janguage of Mr. James Laher, the Bowery sporting Man, a8 given to a Hywauy reporter las: night, “He was acover at Bowery and Broome street, a bounty | Jumper during the war anda confidence man and tard- bank-steerer alterward."? Amorig the criininal class of the city Harney is well known. Origivally a sutler in the Sixth ward, he was noted as a member of the notorius gang known as “the Dead Rabbits." | He was then a man of five appearance and was classed | a8 a sporting man, His headquarters were at the cor. ner of the Bowery and Broome street. Here he drifted into the character of “statue” or “caver,” one of | those persons who are daily seen on the Broadway corners above Houston street, aud whose mode of ex- | istence is not only precarious, but despicable. There | 1 plenty of evidence against Harney in this regard, | The war came and he | ENGAGED IN THK ENLISTING BUSINESS, Emigrants wno tance were promptly | enrolled, and their bounties were paid to nun. The war closed and ho reappeared in his capacity of {aro | bank “capper.” After a brief spell at this occupa. tion he was heard of as conductor on the Third A nue Railroad under Wiltiam A. Darling. While thero ntance of Sarah Davis, a sister of h and Henrietta to Maguire, both of whose ptotures are in the Rogues’ Harney had then a wife aud two children, Yoon d Gallery. who are now residing at No. 804 Sixth avenue, after becoming acquainted with Sarah Davis he f adeeper intimacy with her, So notorious did this b phat among porsons unacquatnted with the tact of his former marriage, and even among detective officers, Sarah, or “Sally,” Davis was regarded as Harney’s wife. ‘Sho is now rosiding in this city, and was seen on Broadway three days ago dressed in. the height of the prevailing fashion. Of the Davis family 1 may be sald that ° THKY WERE REARED IN CRIME AND V! Both “Tom” and “The.” Dovis aro fine looking men, fully live feet cleven inches high, of athletic build and handsome features, Their sixter Mary was noted us one of the most beantitul women in New York. *The.’’ Davis began his business as a pickpocket and | graduated into a first class bank robber and | sheak, He had as his partner his brother. | in-law, “Sheeny”? Maguire. His picture is in the Rogu Gallery, He owns property in Ridge street, which, it is understood, 18 held in the name of ‘his wife, Thomas Davis was first known as a partner of William Varley, alias Reddy the Biack- smith, in the den at No. 7 Chatham — square, They then opened a concert-girl saloon and faro bank on the corner of Pell street andthe Bowery. Alter keeping this place for some months a disagreement | arose between “Roddy” and Davis and tho partnership | was dissolved. Reddy” returned to No, 7 Chatham | square) and Davis embarked im the ‘xawdesi” | or counterfeit money swindling business, In | this vocation he rapidly amassed monoy, and now owns a considerable amount of real estate uptown, In an interview had with Mr. Davis | yesterday he refused to furnish any information what- over regarding Harncy’s career, not on the ground of damaging his sister's character, but, as ho said him- sell, because ho wis a ‘ropublican in poli tics and did not want to inj ire his party. Private detectives are now engaged | working up the career of Mr. Harney. They have already learned that be took Sally Davis with ‘bim to Washington as his wife. She is about thirty-one years | Kerr said Greene, being a republican, must have demoe | oid, of fino figure, pleasing features ana curly auburn cratic indorsement. He thought Greeno said that Fernando Wood had recommended him, Q Did you not propose to Greene before you con- sulted with any member of Congress that you would procure him the place for $300 or $400? A. I told him I did not kuow what it would cost, as I did not know what the price of a member of Congress was. Q Sid you not at the first interview propose speciq- cally to him to procure the appomtment jor him for $300 or $400 A. No. INTERVIEW WITIL BLISS, Tho witness related the circumstances of bis inter- view with United States District Attorney Bliss, Ho eaid that Bliss sent for him, Bliss was alone when be entered bis room, and shook hands with him, saying, “Good morning,” and added that he looked ‘well and complimented him on his appearance—(luoghter)—ana then Bliss expressed a desire to know something abont the Greene matter Bliss asked, ‘What is the matier about Greeae? What's tho trouble?” Coniinuing to ask questions of that kind, Bliss turther asked, “Did you not interest yourself about Greene and is there any money io the matter?” The witness declined to tell him anything about money. He never saw Bliss again om the sutyect, Ho made no communication to any other gentleman, nor was he intcrviewed by newspaper correspondents He thought that Bliss was an upright, bonest gontieman, who would punish ali crimivalé, He never knew such @ man as he was to push people. He would ewour to that, After Mr. Blivs had made his recent statement in New York he saw Mr. Bliss, wno said he did make the statement, as ho wanted to push the matter and punish wrongdoers, whether republicans or democrats. lies did not urge him to comme to Washington and |* testity in this case, nor aid William A. Da ling or any other gentleman urge him to do so, The witness said the fact that he secured the appointment for Greene was known to everybody in New York, but he said nothing about mouey to anybody, and he repeated | that it was between on» and tree o'clock in the after. | | noon.when Mr. Kerr called bity asido at the door of the House of Reprosentatives and sald, ‘1 will take that money now." After he received the money from Greene he kept It ip his pockot as the best place until he gave It to fir. Kerr. is relations toward the dem- ocratic party were of the best kind, He bad as hone: and upright friends among the democrats as among the A. itis man wh» gets all knocks you down. Q Are youa striker? his money in my life. Q Who are your backers or particular friends? Name some of them. A. George Opdyke, Havemeyer, Nesselrode aud Wiiliam A. Darting. Mr. Elliott, counsel for Mr. Kerr, asked the witness abont bis recollection of the copy of the anonymous letter sent vo Spenker Kerr, and which had been shown | to him by Mr. Moore, Mr. Ethott wanted witness to write down a copy of the letter, but the witness said he could ng do 40, as the only words he saw in the let- . Mr. Elliott de- sired thus to test the recollection of the witness. The chairman decided that Mr. Elhott had a mght to mako the request with the view of indicating that the wit- ness may have been the writer of iho anonymous let- ter. The witness wrote bis name on a picce ol paper, so that Mr. Elijott might judge of the handwriting. Mr. Filtott insisted that be should write out the letter. ‘The witness said he was now too nervous to write, bat he might be able to do so some titne to-day, Mr. Elliott waived his demand Jor tho present. The witness sald he worfed tor Greeno from mo- tives of friendship, and never expectedio make any- thing out of it. He nover had any other disinterested transaction of this kind. He further testitied that met Mr, Moore at the Tribune building, but said nothing more to him than topass the time of day. He did not sey that Bliss and Davenport were damued rascals. He tried to be a moral man, and, therefore, never used such language. After he deliverod. his tos- timouy on Monday be ieft the committee room, and had nv sooner doneso than he was hooted at in the bynes: way by wen whom he thoaght were employed in the folding room. He hurried out of the Capitol and returned to his hotel. He there saw Abram who came on the same train with him turned to New York with him, Mr. Wal him = that he came to Washington to attend to a case in tho Sepres Court, but ho did not know whether Mr. Wakeman had done so. Witness had a burried convorsazion with the clerk of the Lotel, the clerk having said to him, “What have doing at the Capitol to-day—making a big row? ‘he witness said to tbe clork that he would find out the consequences, and made some allasioa to the democratic party. He could not repeat his remark, | as he was 'y much excited at the time, in conse- quence of the rade treatment he received at the Capi- tol; but soon after’making the remark, seeing the im- propriety of it, he recatled it, After a recess. Mr. Elliott renewed his request that the witness write at his dictation the anonymous letter addressed to Speaker Kerr, which he did, as follows :— TUX ANONYMOUS LETTER. A rumor iscircniating in Now York that one Harne: in the Appratver's Department there, gave you in for the appointment of ove Augustus P. Ure York, ‘second heutenant. Harney may be dyes hot want to be; has not vet been. A. Inever struck a man for now 4) Mr. Elliott having asked witness at what collego he graduated, he replied that all tl ooling he received was between niue and eleven at a Metho- y! dist school. On being asked could not just did, the witness repliod he had could under the circumstances, Mr. Elliott exhibited to the witness a letter which ho said his wife wrote at the dictation of Greene and signed bis name to it, ‘The cross-examination here ended TRSTIMONY OF MR. STRAUBR. Mr. Moyer Strause, of Pennsylvania, being sworn, tostified:—He was a member of Congress trom the Schuylkill district in 1866, He knew Lawrence Har- ney, who was Assistant Doorkeeper at thetime. Har- Dey a number of times asked him to ase his influence to Leng) his friend Greene an appointment in the son in favor of such appointment, Harney sai “You have influence with the President have always been tho soldier's friend, therefore you can help Greene by writing a letter.’ Harney said to him that he (Horney) could make a little money, probably $400 or $500, out of the busi- ness, The witness told him that he had nothing to do with that, He received no moncy and never saw auy. The witness was very intimate with Mr. Kerr, bat never saw him Nave any ourse with Harne: Harney was very courteous 1 friendly, and the witness became quite intimate with him, because be scomed to attend to his business obligingly, Harney ‘Was a republican with democi ities, and as Prosident Jonson was a littl Harney told him it was necessary that Greone should have sume demo- eratic intl On cross-examination, Mr. Strauso said Harney told im bis position did pot pay weil and his expenses wore heavy. Tho committee adjourned till to-morrow noon, WHO HARNEY IS. A VEAY NICE RECORD FOR ONE WHO EXPECTS TO BE CONSIDERED A CREDIBLE WITNESS, It js not generally known that Lawronce Harney, tho accuser of Speaker Kerr, 1s a kind of brother-in-law to hair. In afew days it 18 understood that affidavits | will be submitted showing the peculiar afiiiaiion be- tween Harney and his supposed political backers, RESULTS OF INVESTIGATION HERE—LITTLE JOHNNY DAVENPORT AND HIS OFFICE SHOULD BE PUT OUT OF SIGHT--REMARKS INTEREST- ING TO HARNEY. ‘A great deal of interest has been felt by the public in the proceedings of the Congressional committce which has just closed its investigation of several of the federal offices in this city. The committee's pur- pose Was not tocollect tacts as to cxisting abuses in New York alone, but nad the broader range of many | of the chief cities of the Union, and the ultimate ob- Ject to be gained was to socure appropriate legislation, to remedy evils which aro of long duration in im- portant public business. The United States offices in this city which are moro immediately con- neeted with local politics have been for | years past conducted in a manner *bordoring | ‘on the mysterious, #0 fer as the public knowledge of their methods. and ways was concerned, and tho re- cent investigation helped to throw some light upon many unintelligible practices, and on none moro than on those of the Chief Supervisor of Elections, John I, Davenport, who seems to have had tho whole federal Treasury at his back in the accomplishment of his political purposes. The views of Mr. Meade, of the Congressional Sub-Committee on this matter, a8 well as his outspoken opinions relative to the charges mace recently against Speaker Kerr, and his ideas as to the Tequirements and chances of promiment’ democratic candiaates tur the Presidential nomination, are interest- ing, and, as they were procured last night, they are now Inid berore the readers of the Hznaip:— “How do you look upon the investigation by the committec of which you were chairman, so far as our local affairs are concerned ?”’ said the writer. “The result was very satisfactory to the committes in what was sought to be obtained. We desired to ascertain the condition of the federal offices, with a view to the removal! of abuses which are complained of | jg this and other parts of the country. Especially aro these abuses complained of in the frontier States and Territories, We selected New York as tho best place to obtain the requisite information whereby we might devise the proper laws by which we might prevent these abuses in fature These abuses havo been of very gradual growth, originating when the United States courts and the offices attached to the | samo;zwere regarded as of very little unportance, Tho | committee is well satished with the result of the in- vestigation here and in Brooklyn. It has looked into | the United States clerks’ offices of both cities, also the offices of the District Attorney, the Marshal’s office in this city, and incidentally into the offices of tho Shipping Commissioner and of tho Supervisors of Election in this city and Brooklyn, The committee is of tho opinion that it will now be ablo to present such | measures for reform as’will receive the SANCTION OF THE EXTIRE COUNTRY.” “What particular abuses did you find which you | | In the | affairs betore leaving for Washin might specity 7” “In the absence of action on the pagt of the commit- | tee it wonld be premature in mo to express an opinion in regard to all of these offices, Respecting the office | of Marshal, in this city, I may safely say that it is con- ducted in a manner which entitles its head to great credit, and that the committee has examined no office in the entire country «hich is condneted with bigher | regard to business principles and the public interest. ft must be admitted that there are certain abuses con- nectod therein with the Deputy Marshals, but I donot seo | how they can, under existing circumstances, be avowed without further legislation on the part of Congress. Personally [have not altogether approved of the so- called civil service reform, which has been so strenu- ously advocated .by Georgo W. Curtis and Mr. Eaton, of this city, bat if it bad been in all mstances as suc- cosstul as in the case of Mr. Fiske, whose appointment, as I understand, was a practical application of that Inw, I do not believe that the country would have reascn to bo dissatisiied with it, nor should President Graut have used his prerogative to prevent its opera- tion, I hope you will excuse me from saying anything | farther im regard to the other offices we have investi- gated here.’” * “Do you think that the commitico will adopt Mr, Fiske’s recommendation respecting an increase of pay | for deputy marshals with a view to thus removiog them further from the temptution to corruption?” “ZI believo tho committee will do so. The present Jegal compensation is certainly inadequate, It will be necessary, however, to make rigid regulaiions respect- | ing the bamber of deputies, else serious abuses may | follow, especially in the tront States and Territories, | where these officials have a powerful INVLUENOK IN LOCAL POTITICS and whore an increase of salaried oilicials would prove any thing clse (han beneficial to the public interest.’ | “What is your opinion in regard to the office of United States Supervisor of Election, now held by Mr. J. 1. Davenport?” “Aa L bave before stated it would be improper in me to express the opinion of the committee on that sa0- ject. I may say, however, that Mr. Davenport attaches ‘an importance to bimeself in that position respecting oar investigation which is not shared by . For, so tar as Mr. Davenport oncerned, he ot but vey. little importance, @ kind of fly on wheel. tention of the committee was directed to Davenport by reason of what were believed to be | unauthorized and secret spprentaiins of moneys order of President Grant to 1 port jor ebviously political pur; Mr. Davenport was ous to explain that all these moneys ro- ceived by him through order of President Grant had been properly expended, Whether he bas succeeded | in proving so much I shall leave youto determine from the report of the committee, which may soon be expected. But whether proper, in con- templated by express provision of law. Mr. Davenport has expressed a good deal of anxiety in atiompt- ing to show that he played an important part in suppressing the frauds at an election at s period an- terior to that in which he became the recipient of pab- le fands, Concerning these frauds, which occurred about the years 1869 and 1870, there can of course bo no two opinions among those familiar with our local the famous bank robber, Charles Newman, alia “Datch Heinrich,” and holds a similar strange rola- ged And | have been a good deal entertained and, ir that mattor, bored, during tue peat two weeks with tnose who respectively claimed to have boen the orig- inators of the schemo which prevented thoxe frauds. tionship to the equally famous sneak thief, “Sbeony | Their numbor 1s certainly Jarger than that of the cities which claimed the birthplace of Homer. Those fraads were the fruit of an ALLIANCE MADE BETWEEN LEADING DEMOCRATS AND RE PURLICANS, known as the ring With the uprising of the peo} came the dowatall of tho ring, and with that downfall pure elections ensue’, Both parties are to«lay, and ave been for several years, in favor of an honest ballot box. Mr. Davenport ‘may'have contributed m some degree to this result im the carrying out of its in the several wards, but the necessity for his office has long since past. It can secomplish uo good at this time, and is only potential im the hands of any party for evil, There is no quer tion about Davenport's extreme partisanship, and i the office is to exist at sil i should be held by a man of judicial and non-partisan charac. ter, Our State laws, aod their rigid enforcement ander the aus: ices of the leaders of the demoer. tic party and leading men of other organizations, render Mr, Daven. port's occupation lke a fellow’s of the time departed That office must herealter subsist, if at atl, to perfora the part of corrupt partisanship,”” “In Mr, Bliss’ examination he was at pains to in- | dorse the character of Harney, who gave testimony agaiust Speaker Kerr, What was your observation of ker Kerr in Washington?” o’Mr. Kerr is in every way incapable of the acts of which he is charged. l venture to say tuat not three men in Congress of either party believe for & moment that there is a word of truth om tos — vile accusation =o am giad for my own part that the conspiracy, ter such I believe it to be, has selected Mr. Kerr as the object of its attack, for I know of no one in this country against whom such a charge coulda be made with less effect, His lie iz irreproachabie, pure beyond question, and n one who knows him would for a moment entertaun idea that be h d ever made use of official position t improper purposes, Respecting this particular charge made by this man Harnoy, [have investigated it with some care, and, while Lam not prepared to furnish y with resaits, I can safely say that when this business is fully developed Mr, Kerr will stand higher than ever in the cstimation of the people of toils country, his character being more universally known and the con- spiracy which now cxists against bim fully established, The investigation going o» at present RESPECTING BARNEY'S ANTECEDENTS and associations is of such a character that I could not if I would make it public.” “In regard to the Presidency, Mr. Meade, what judg- ment bave you formed in your associations with lead- ing men at Washi im as to the democratic candl- dacy ¥” “Well, you are now embarking upon rather. 3n un- known sea, In my judgment the Soutn is willing to support apy Northern candidate who can bring the necessary assurance of success in the coming clection, That section, therefore, may be regarded as neutral, Northern Stutes, as distinguished trom the Southern by the events of the war, there is a wide diflerence of opinion in regard to the money question, In some ot the Western and Southwestern States the opposition to any candidate coming irom the East is of a very decided character, I am unable to account for this entirely, but itis au existing seuti- ment which must be recognized, 1t ox: parniguistly in Obie, Indiana, Kentucky, Tennesseo and one or two other States. 1! may be classified ag a downright op- position to what may bo esteemed the money power, which 18 recarded as having its source 1a our own dis- trict of Wall streot, Erroncous as this senti- ment may be, tho time between this and the St. Louis Convention will not suilice to correct it, The seed of dissatis(action was engendered in the Ohio campaign of last year by influences wnich I do not now care to mention, and this diseatistaction it will take a jong time to eradicate, An important consideration for the democratic party at St Lowg will be, Can it succeed in the Presidential campaign without a succes: inthe so-called October olections, including the States of Ohio and Iadiana’ Or, in other words, could the democratic party expect success alter defeat in the State clecticns ‘in those States? In my conversa tion with democrats trem all parts of the country, this has appeare Ito be the paramonnt consideration. And a geveral sentiment seems to prevail that in the lose of those States democratic success in the Presi. dential campaign is itipossible. The importance of carrying New York, New Jersey and Counecticut is Tevogni: But can those States be carried after do- feat in the State elections of Onio and Indwna m Oc. tuber, and if carried can we rely on Virginia and other requisite border States for the Presidential cam- paign #71 have bourd it said with confidence that in the result of a democratic deteat in the Uctober elections several other democratic States, including Vire gina, might also be best’ to the Noe vember Presidential candidate. It appears to be, therefore, important that the nominee at st. Louis should be such a candidate as would insure us success in at least one of the Xtates of Ohio aud Indiana, in or- der that we might go into tie November canvass with an equal prestige to that of ihe republican candidate, If Mr. Triden’s friends can satisty the people of thie country that by virtue of his nomination the demo- cratic party can sueceed in the State elections of either Ohio or Indiana in October next, then [have no doubt of his nomination. But very many influcntial demo- crats in the country entertain serious doubts of tis being able to accomplish so much. In my juagment, CANDIDATES ARH OP MERR SECONDARY IMPORTANCE as compared with the success of the democratic prim ciples of retrenchment aud relorm. Mr. Tilden’s nis- tory commends him as the advocate of honest retort. Whether another can be substituted as a candidate for the Presidency and who wiil also be avie to supply the generally couceded element of success at the October elections ts a question which the St, Louis Convention will wisely determine.” “There 18 a good deal of apparent disaffection in Now York im regard to Governor Tilden’s candidacy. Do ou think that that would affect bis nomination ‘at Bt Lous?” “Well, of course, avy decided opposition trom this State toward his nomination woald vaturally have ao unfavorable influence, but how far that opposition ex- tends Iam, on account of my absence irom the city tor the past few montba, unable to determine, Lf itshould assume at St, Louis a positive character then it must naturally have a decided influence against him. Bat 1 am unable, from my limited knowlege of here, to determine the exact extent of this opposition. T suppose it has regard to the availability of candidates irrespective of mere personal claims, the essential qualifications of retrencnment and reform being equal; well hold as to all prominent candidates for the Preal dential nomination. ”? “What is the feeling ip Washington respecting Gov- ernor Henaricks as a candidate Y” “Governor Hendricks bas mapy friends at Washing- ton among the members of the Lower House, of which Tamamember, Tho first intimate knowledge I | sessed respecting him was a little more than elgut Years since, when Governor Tilden and others wero en- Raged in carctully examining bis record wee eee to I some his availability a8 a candidate in 1868 1 of that investigation, aud became satis- fled that Governor Hendricks was in overy way qualified and availabic as a candidate for the nominations for the Pros’ » His nomination was not then brought about, T have never ceased since that time to have the greatest coa- fidence in him, both asa mao and @ public oficial rogard his record to be untarnished, and if be should bo seiected by the St. Lous Conventton I bave the utmost confidence in such selection being approved by the American people in tho same unanimous spirit as would be that of Governor Tilden or any equally good man.” Mr. Meade excused himself from answering any farther questions, ashe was busy winding up his where he was expected to-day. ean CREAMER’S BAD ADVICE, At half-past ten last night, jnst as the ferryboat lof the Hoboken slip to cross to the New York side, a wo man jumped overboard, She was rescued by Edward MeBride, a deck hand on board the boat, and taken te the New York side, when she and a mule companion were arrested and taken to the Ninth precinct station. ‘They wore both under tho iofluence of liquor. The woman gave her nome as Emma Creamer and the man his as Thomas J. Creamer. The woman admitted her atiompt to kill herself, She stated that in a conver- tion with Creamer he told her the best thing sho could do was to jump overboard she acted on the Suggestion, Creamer was locked up on toxication. COUNTERFEIT MONEY. On Wednesday last the poliee authorities were mado aware of certain counterfeit bills of the Nationat Bank of Westfield, Mass, being in circalation, and last night John Ryon, of No. 79 Catherine street, was arrosted for passing one of them upon Maurice Wolf, ot No. 309 Third avenue. John H. Gill and Charlotte Thompson were arrested yesterday for passing couuterfeit fivedollar notes on the Hampden National Bank, of Westfield, Mass, Gill remained outside while his companion entered different stores and made trifling purchases, each time offering one of the spurious bilis, Jacob Lougstaver, of No, 282 Bleecker street, was the first complainant, and alter word had been sent around to the shopkeepers three more turned up who had taken tne notes. The woman stated that Gill was@ stranger to ber previous to yesterday, waen she cas ually made bis acquaintance. He told her of having jth her that she shoul offer had yn his ion four. d $60 in onos and twor of good money, evidently change for others of the counterfeits, THE WHITE WHALES. Both of the white whales recently brought to this country from tho island of Aux Coudres, on the const of Labrador, for the squarium now preparing on the com ner of Thirty-Afth street and Broadway, will most likely be lost to the scientific world before their and brought to New York wt large tank. On thei arrival here they were tramgferred to « tank about thirty feet in diameter which had been constructed especially ior their comfort, The tank wes kept con- stantly supplied with a fresh streain of salt water aud they were fed with live eels and fisn. The female wi a fluke on'Tacsday Invi and must havo burst an artery, 48 juke on ast have an the blood lowed so freely that on Weduesday mornlog she rose to the surface, turned over and diea. Her body ‘Was raised out of tank with the assistance of & whero it was