The New York Herald Newspaper, April 21, 1875, Page 3

“THE TORMENTING TRIAL ‘The Seventy-second Day of the Great Scandal Suit. ——e- ‘A VITAL POINT TOUCHED ‘How the Matter Got Into Plymouth Church, “STEPPING DOWN AND OUT.” "What End Beecher Meant It. Should Accomplish. “= Did’—* That's One"—" I Didn't, and: . That's Two.” Another day was devoted to the cross-examina- ton of Henry Ward Beecher, and yet Mr. Fullerton found that his task was not quite over. It was | confidently expected yesterday morning, when H the court opened, that ex-Judge Fullerton would urrender his tortured witness at the hour of re- | 2es3; bat the struggie between the witness and | the counsel was as determined and unyielding a3 | Bo the entire day was consumed in the fencing between these two intellectual and | Dighly trained minds, It was a gladiatorial con- | test in every sense of the word, and, though the actors in the scene did not salute the presiding judge as men about to dle, | as did the spadatores and retlarli before Cesar, they entered upon the examtnation with grim earnestness and evident determination to do or dig, This was apparent especialiy in the morn- ing session, for botn men were easily roused in their tempers. Tne weapons used were keen | @s any rapiers, and the passes and guards on the One Gide or the Other gavo a deep interest to the proceedings. ‘The lawyer was, though evidently ill in health, | remarkably strong in his method, and perhaps | felt the advantage he had gained in making Mr. | Beecher fear and dread. If he did feel this advan- tage it must be confessed that Mr. Fullerton used | the power it gave him mercilessly, tor there were | passages in which Mr, Beecher evidently suffered. is was not that he suffered in being made to con- | Jess to damaging facts, lor ne generally succeeded | in avoiding that; but it wasin the mental strain | Placed upon him in being compelled to keep his | mind clear under the skiliul douvle thrusts made upon him. Me nad to watch the counsel keenly, | and carry in his mind all of theevidence already given during so many days, and be prepared to | enier intelligently and promptiy upon any of the many points touched by bis examiver, fo @ man of Mr. Beecher’s traiuiug and manner of life this cooping up of his 1aculties and the necessity of waiting jor bis question, without any idea what it really would be, the cross-examination he has | gone through must be exquisite torture. Wnen in 7. Evarts’ hands the witness was at ease, for he Kuew what each interrogation would lead to, and | in answering be was permitted to finisu out his Sentences in his own way, 80 that the narrative had a juluess and redundancy natural to bim. Be- siaes it was cohesive aud symmetrical | But under crossexamimation Mr, Beecher | @nds it wholly different. A question to be answered as he would wish must be answered at the willof the examiner. “Did you @r did you not?” was the tenor of Mr, Fullerton’s | Queries, and after vainly endeavoring to give an | explanatory answer the witness would say, “I id and Laid not.” “Did you persists Fuller | ton. “J ata,” replies Beecher. “That is one,” re~ marks the counsel, “and I didn’t,” continues toe Witness, “and that’s two.” ‘nose lass words came defanily, yet they curried a touch of de- | speir in thom os the net was being tarews 60 | 4. skilully around him. THR EVIDENCE. Q Now, Mr. Beecher, after a nigh! ’ You adie to state How whether you rexard =: ton a6 Charging you wil baving made im- Birt. advances tv iis wife on the might of the rN Decemper, i! Q You aid not ebarge? A. Not in the sirict sease. 3, id you regard lim as uaving mad Ps es, in @ general way, 1 dia; butil you mean in © that language, lshouid say he aid not 80 charge me, peonat supposed 0 Was but repeating Dis | wu ual | Did he Dot jo charge you in his owa bemaif? | a sir; 1 don’t boink #0. i Q. Did be not, in so charging you, Sg to be thé representative of bis wilet A. He made nu pro.easion of the kind; he mentioned to me tha: sue Dad made sume sdca Charge against me. | ind a6 uot charge you with the ofence before | feferring to any siutement that the wie might | bave made? A. Notin that sense; said that | Dis wile bad made sowe Such stavement, and 8 he proceeded to reud it; he charged me, in sub- | Stance, Witu acting toward him in an upirienaly Bpirit; thatt assisted in his downtall and spread | injurious rumors against on, aod with using my | Peace and iy intuence with Air. Bowea to dis- | iniss him; that | bad joined with nis motuer-in- | law agaiust him, and that I naa aliepated nis | Whe’s adections jrom him and led ber to love Me wore than himsell; | might add that all this | ‘Wos eqauivaent i charge you refer to. | Q iw that nurrative true? A. in general It is; but if youask me as to the speciuc cuarge Lsay | Bo. 1 Q That is not an answer. Is that narrative true? A. Yes, but subject ro correction. | Q Did you regard yourseif as beimg charged with making improper advances! A. i dia; with Tegard .o the letter you referred to, it was tenved that it should not be made public; that ‘Was agreeably to tue advice given in the matter. Q Mave you any lurther expianation to give in | Tegard to that ietier? A. No, | Q Waat matt did you think Tilton knew of Bis own knowlevge as ayalast your A. dis- wr and trouvie Wrouxbt io the ney, trouole and aistress between bint aud How Q Did you + unk (bat be kuew of bis owo edge that you Were the cause Of the didiculties | the faully? A. I suould say he did—that would Some within the designativa | pat upon it; ue had charged me with using the great iofuence of My church against olm; that | was making in- ous representations of him—tbat {was the im. jureu mau aud he the injurer; that I was allow! people ro thuk that he was the Imjarer and that Maguanimvusly bore it all. Q. Had the seandal at that time permeated the eburen? A. Lcan’t say to what extent, vat 16 ‘Was suspected. What did you think at the time of it? AI etno know it; Lheia wysels uioor; [ was toe last persou that would Know auy(bing xdvut it. Q Vid you bold yourseli wivol va purpose? A. I @id and | didn’t; i kept myself aloot from itasd Bad mace a compact to do Bo, ra Ton 4 the other side | ou re; r. Ttiton an other | eateeping that compact? A. i did and i aida’ | ha ‘ | @ You didn’t, then? A. No. | q. that’s one? A. And did, and that’stwo. | Tos atiempt at@ joke eiicitea iaaguser in the Court, wiich the Judge at once suppressed, Why did you uos iD tus new paase of tne bukiness consult some persons uther than the frieuds of Mr, Tutoo with reyurd tow? AL was | Satisiied with the cousa:tation | bad. @ You sti nad onidence iu bim? A, Un- | ad. | eo wel if guilty of no limproper advances and Pegardny Yoursel: a8 AmMeNsve ooly to Lhe cuarge of tur tuis Woman's alfections, wii Rucenuy doue, o a, 4 fois cy Valog ui Moulton 1 dd Oaks Hot to be dotie; tout Could not ve touched at all without opening ana fOlug iutoO aM investigation, Whied wuaia bi Mrivus all aroun thourat if would be to me, | & Ana did nov Mr. Moultou regird oaurges | Against you Of u More soriwus Character than im. | ruper wolicitations? A. 1 don’t bhiuk he dias t | foot know whut he thouwht, Out be gever made | Mualiestations Of aby Ober Character (O me. | Q He never spuke Lo you uf ® charge Gore seri. | OUs tian improper sulicitahons! He did not tae 8ven or thut | What did you suppose Moulton believed in | Tegard (o thy scaudui? A, That he oeioved there Wad been a diticuity, and that ac different times | { thougos be had diiterens potions io hia hy | BbowL ik; J bever usked wim RUOUL It and be Bever | Fold Me OF used, arn from one wer regard to ib? Ay | lonehed enough of them 1or wll the pur powes i had iu view, \ Did you hut Wish to vindicate yourself in his Pomona? A, i Had Vindiculed myn; | Was ue Wammate Of UIA amily. Nts personnl ieiend, ug aa | a Bites Ine to his wile's eonadengs, and Ors | r 2 OVER Ki be believed you euity of | | heaa, | Ib 18 Substantially true, sir; on toat fact 60 a8 to sutisiy tae public in re. | d | kay l gave it NEW YORK HERALD, WEDNESDAY, APRIL 21, 1875.—TRIPLE SHEET. proper advances? A. He could not believe Buch & thing; 1 could not expect it from his con- duct; his Whole conduct to me was that of @ mao who beileved me innocent. Q In a!) his conduct resulting from different conferences you never asked nim the question basa he beileved you gulity or not? A. 1 never 10. : Q You never wished tofindout? A. I already new. . Now, in that letter of February 5 you stated as jollows:—'*To say that I have achurehon my hands 1s Simple enough, but to have the hundreds and thousands of men pressing me, each with Ns | Keen suspicion, or amxiety, or zeal; to sce ten- dencies Wich, if not stopped, woul break ont into & ruimous defence of me; to stop them with- our seeming to do if; to preven! any one question- ing me; to meet and ullay prejudices against Theo- dore, which had their begtuuing years belore this; to keep serene. a8 If | was not alarmed or dis: turbed; to be cheeriul at home and among Intends, woen | was suffering the torments o! the damned; to pass sleepless nights often, and yet Lo come up fresh and full tor Suuday—ail this may be talked about, but the real thing cannot be understood from the outside, nor tis Wearing and grinding on the nervous system,’’ Now, iet me ask vou wnat was the “keen suspicion’’ you apprehended that each one Oi these persons had? A, Wii you allow me @ copy Of the document you have? I think [ Dave it in my satchel; 1 peeve that was Febru- y 6, 1872; 1 did not say each one with bis keen suspicion as if each ove Of all the hundreds had THIS KEEN SUSPICION, Q. Task you what you appreleuded from the keen suspicion that was tnduigedin? A, The #us- picion which some of them had of those hundreas and thousands of men. Q. Suspicion ol what? A. Of my moral conduct and character. Q. Did you want to clear up that suspicion? A. 1 wanted to have It cured unquestionably. Q. Did you expect to cure it by sence? A, I did; but I felt, if the worst came to the worst, I #bould have to v.ndicate myself. Q What was the worst that couldcome? A. My lle; 1 could kul it by my lile 111 was suffered to go right on, Q. Then by silence and gotng right oo you meant to have this keen suspicion quietedr A. 1 meant by my life to let it die out Q, Not by ielitug the trash’ A. By not speaking a lie, yet at the same time NOT SPEAKING THE TRUTH respecting these things, Q. Lread still:urcher—“If my destraction would place Bim all right thas shall pot stundin tue way. 1am wWililng to step down and out, No one can offer more tian that; thatldo offer. Sacri- fice me withont hesitation, if you can clearly sce your way to bs happiness and salety therevy.” ‘Tnen you expected to get rid of that keen suspicion which Was then afoatin your chureh by stepping down and out? A. No. Q You were willing tg be sacrificed, were you, 4 you could see thereby the saiety and happiness of'Mr, ‘lilton? A. “iI; it is condtuonal; “41 my destruction would place him all right; 1 estate it and then [ answer it, Q. Then you were willing to be destroyed your- If inorder to save Dim? A. That was the teel- z I bud, extravagantly expressed. Q, The’ teeling you expressea was that you were willing to be destroyed ratuer than meet the keen suspicion of your Cougregatiou? A. Not at all; the keen suspicion afloat among the congre- gation was respecting rumors set afloat oy Buwen, And had no relerence to Tuton? A. That might have been drawn in, but that was not the principal trouble. . You say again, “Sacrifice me without hesita- tion if you Gan clearly see and happiness.” Was that r. Bowen or Tilton’ happine-s you had reierence to? A. To any oc- | casion whicn would bring the matter vefore we cburco; would bring all out that we bad deter- mined (o keep secret; 1 tuougat I should nave to Meet a divided churen, with a party ou the side ‘our way to bis saiety — 3 Mr. Fallerton—That will do, You cannot make use of such observations here; they excite dis cussion. q. Did you at any time lay down on the soa in presence of Mrs, Moulton? A, At that time! did not. Q, Did she at any time cover you with an Af- ghun on the sofa? A. Oh, yes, at least a dozen Umes, I should think; I wii not make it pre butit Was not uncommon ior me when | 4 waiting jor Mr. Moulton to lie down on the sofa, aud sowetimes took 4 newspaper and threw 7M you Will alow me Lo say, since pted with hay ieve eapnot lie down on the sofa without having niy leet get cold and have atitot sneezing, aud so [ often throw sumecting over my feet; sue saw it, anu it Was very common thing Jor her to throw a little suawl over my tect. Q. How many times was it? A, Well, 1 don't , Know bat what it was—in the many times | wa there it became a banit of bers to do some Litt kindness of that Kind, } Were you on that particular evening lying on | the solat A. No, sir; | was sitting at a table. | Q. Did you ever use the expression to Mrs. | Moulton, Or its equivalent, that she seemed to Fou | like @ section of HE DAY OF JUDGMENT ? A. No, sir; I wou’t say that 1 did not say some | thing akin to it. Q. Speaking of the W. charges, I read as | follows—do you recollect anything of this kiud:— | “Lielt thathe had no right to @ claim as « mem- ber under the ctrcumstances for the sole purpose of his puoiic trial. Mr. Moulton in- sisted that everything must ve doue to pr vent that trial, as the committee were likely | to be divided wuether the facts sustaineu Mr, iL. | ton’s plea, whether he was out o: the church or not; I was so determined to carry out my pledges to Mr. Moalton to do ail in my power to save him, that | was ready to resige and stop the scandal. and I wrote a letter of resignation, not in regard to tue charge, but becanse | had intended, for tue sake ot ouners, to Maintain secrecy ?” A, Toat evidently reiers to the lettver of May sl. Q. At the time you wrote the letter of resigna- Uop did you kuow that the West charges were repared? A, Edon’t think Taid, though | recol- ect suying that, om certain contingencies, [ should resign: I do not think told Mr. well to break a the deacon’s meeting; I do not think [ heard that Mrs. Braushuw Was to ve & witness in | the charges against Iiiton. | Mr, fullerton read the third specification in the West charges, and Mr, Beecher suid le never Was made acquainted with that charge or that specifi cation; vobody ever toid me, he said, aoout that cnarge that l remember; there was a charge that with nis Wie; Sucu @ charge would make an im- pression on my mind; 1 bave 8, oken of tne 2U of June; Mr. Kiasella came to my house tuat aay; it was arraned between me aud Mr. Muulton that Mr. Kinsella was to come te me on thar aay; L had an interview with Mr. Kinsella; | prepared the card that was puoiished in wie aiteruoon of that day; 1 went to tne Christian Union otice; 1 do not remember taking iunch that in New York; 16 Was my custom to take luuch belore goimg to Peekskill; 1 have lunched at veimonico’s and other plaw in New york; [swear positively tat 1 was pot at Mr. M-ultou’s house on the 21 of Juue; Lhave no recollection about that time of seeiug alaty us IT Wus jeaving Mr, Moulton’s nouse—inere migat have beeu l-dies in the street; | will swear tuat [ Was not ip Mr. Moulton’s house on the 2d o: June, | 1878, and that I did nut meet a jady as I was com- ing out; I think the Investigaiing Committee was appoited 28th of June, 1874; 1 made uo request to have It concealed; it Was appointed at my house; 1 spoke io Mr. Vieveiua first on the 26cn | of June, 1874, the day alter the publication of the of Mr. Bowen, with u large patty o! young men on | the side of Tilton, aud with a very large clays—al- ways iu @ church: on the part of @ minister who is in charge; I tuougat po tribunal on earth was so unit to investigace it as @ Congregatioual church, and { believed at that time und for a long time that a conflagration | would tolow that would consume the churca; £ thought, not in the jurm of a deliberate conciu- Sion, 1 tae charge Was made against me in that great churck in which | was struggling; that ut had permisted to go out trom it lojurious state- ments and criticigms o1 Mr, Tuton; that I was not suficieauiy careiul about it. You were willing to be sacrificed and to rest under the suspicion rather than bave the charges investigated by the churen? A. That was not the point 01 the sacritice. you were willing TO STREP DOWN AND OUT? resign your pastorate? A. Tbe whole passage bas vut ove meaning. Q. Did you mean by that phrase, “step down and out,” that you were willing to resign your pus- torate? A. Yes, sir, conditionally, Q. And at that time, actuated to this extent, the only offence you regarded yoursei/ us having committed, was that you mad unconsciously wou this woman's affections? A, No, That was not tue way it presented itse:f to me; by uncon- sciously winning her affections 1 nad des- troyed her and toe hvusehoid of the man atits nd 1 jooked atit im ite whole aspect in ‘What Way. Q You “Lt am well ‘h discouraged; if You cease to trust mé und love me | am alone. 4 have pos} another person in the world to whom icould go.” by could you not wo to some relative, or some frien, or some member oftne cougregation and explain ali this thing ? lcould on tue condition that it was to be exposed to the public, but If It was not to be I could not maintain my honor aud piedge of Keeping tuis tong silent sud speaking o1 it. I 0 @ bus bua, ada Idid not goto apy on hs wheo did you first bear the “true story” read? A, Some time in November or December; some time aller the puoucation of the Woodhull l. i understood you to say that when that story ‘Was read to you, or thas passage tiat was read to Jou, that be (Jilton) usked you Whether you would be ble to stand @ particular passage tuas be would read to you? A, No, sir, he did not say 60, and | did pot say so. Q. What did you say on that subject? A. He said, belore ne Legub to read, tbat there Was oue sen- tence wich '@ would read, aud ti I could seand t 1 could stand the whole, and tuen be went dread. and wbem he cawe to ibe sentence and read ithe toid me t the sentence; [ as Wal Uhvougdt myself waen be read that that ir i could | Stand it 1 could staud the whol Lread now irom your direct examination— uxed the paver and opeved the matier yy saying here wasone sentence in itaudy [ could stand it I coum stand the whoe state- ment or document: he commenced reading What was aiterward called the ‘trae story,’ and read the passage where | was charged with asking Mrs. fliton to be a wile to me, with all thay tue name imports in that term, and be looked up and said, ‘That’s the sentence, ana if you can stand that you can Siand ail the rest;’ I made no reply; iwas lying On tae bed and 1 think he weoton reaging audi was geiting maddéer and madder, and wen be finshed | yot up and commenced waikiny ground the room.” Now is that a true narrative of What occurred om that Occasion? A. occasion I did not arise aud repel the charge thus made against me; toat isnot My Gabit of mind or method of deaiing with persons ur things. Q Did you a that time understand the iull | meaning o1 the LEITER OF APOLOGY ? A. Not im the juii sens: Q. Did you, in The conversation with Moulton With regard to thi ter Of apology, suggest that Mr. Mouliom snould go aud see Kinsella with re- da toits publication? A, Au! that was a sug- gestion as to the lime Of couduct; | took stepa to prevent the puviication of that letter. Q What ste,s uid you take to prevent its pab- hicativn? A. i said to Mr. Moulton substaatiaily this, Chat “uf tuat 18 publisued that la the end of things aud tuere Wil ve apexplesion. If you don’t waut that, ten that must not be pubiished,” and he thougut he—he told me he coulu hold Mr. ‘Luton and preveut the puvilcation ol it; Lduunced itand I suid to wim, “Ir you trust to Mr, Tilton be will cheat you,” or Words to that effect; he thought oot; he ibought ue had noid upon Bit—tnat be codia cuutro! him; ue saia, “No, be Won't p. biish 1t to-day ;” said I, “you vad beter make that tuing su:e’’—words to that eect “oul and that he don’t publisn it until you have nad time to tura this pola.” Q Did | uadersiand yuu to say that if the card drawn up io tat couuection Was published you Would resiga yoor ‘uae A. Ldrew up tne eard, or rataer toe ate and putitin my pocket, and that evening = iwent to Mouitou’s house 1 showed it to q Will you prodace that card of resignation t A. Lcanuot; J Mave mut govit; i don't recoilect sceing 1 since the eveuiug { showed it to air. Moulton. y Now, reierring to the statement you made to the courch investigating Committee, you said:— “T wrote # levter Of Fesignatiou, mot reierrimg to charges against ‘we, Out deciaring I bad» riven wor years tO maintain secrecy concerning this scuudel oareune ¢ family in the church, and that asinad iaien I herewith resigued. ibis letter Was never seat.” A. Evidently (beu I bad it, vat had jorgotted (nat | bad it; but it passed out of my bwnus aod I never @ seen it roi that day to this, aliiouga 1 na’ 4 thorvuga #oarca for every paper that veara on the cuge; | do not o Mr. Moulton; Wy impression is 1 did noc—tuar I pat it iu my pucket agai: Q. Woere 0.4 you see Mrs, duulton © Satur. @oy morning? A, iu ¥WR House; tue inter: view not jawt iMure tuan fliteen or tweuty ginal 1 Was 10 great indignation of mud at tue time. A LITILE sToRM, Q. How did Mauiost your indignation on thas oecasion 4, lu Words and conduct; 1 Waiked up amd duWo; 4 deuoincea futon; id thas | had yone through ough au up ti 1o keep tis matter quiet, that 1 was met with tre y im j was io 2 Me IM ONG Way and ai oiner to ur told Mr. Moulton ay Go- t Wanted tae ereuit o1 belig omevoUy WO yo CUE Mewre with the trou ar ae Caving 68 sole ne ' CO t— FON r a we sib making #8} id 1 coud HOU staud itauy louger; that beloved Dim te be KOTTRN YO Rowe, du" of the sole that morning? apn’ iire sora OA kitom, Tilton began to read; 1 was sitting on the | eciivation Of fur her pastor: | Bacon levter;in the evening |‘saw Mr, suearman and Mr, ‘racy; [ tizst sugested the | NAMES OF THE COMMUTER; } bat subsequently the names of tae committee | were suggested by Others; Mr. Mouicon had a | plan for doing away with the e/fect of Lhe publica. | tion Of the Bacon letter, but 1 did not approve ot | it: Thad come to the end; 1 nad ceased to have faith in bis generalsbip; i did pot trust his judg- ment. ' Mr. cher was then questioned as to nis walks With Mis. Ititoa, He thou.it it was probably 1m the tall of IS7i; On OMe occasiun he walked with ber on Columoia sietgots at sugdown; on auotner occasivu ne walked with ner toward ter own house, provably tour or five blocks; caunot Buy what time in the day it was—provably in tue , afternoon: cannot recall aby Ovuer Walks; con- vei sed with Mrs, Tilton on three Occasions; did not seek Irom ler auy explanation Of toe scandal; | Thave no recollection of writtay to Mis. Tiliou on | | the occasion of the buggy ride; 1 do not recuilect Q What did you mean by the expression that |? being 1n @ paotograpa galery witu ner in New York; she was pot at Sarony’s with me when iny | picture was being taken. | ‘The Court here took a recess until two o’olock. AFTER RECESS. Mr, Beecher’s cross.exuwination was resumed by Mr, Fullerton at tweuty minutes aiter cwo | o'ciock. Mr. Beecuer said:— | Ido not recolect walking in New York in 1871 | with Mrs, Tilton; | do not recollect being in au oyster saloon with ber; to the best of my recoilec- tion no such thing ever Occurred; in these walks 1. did not admonish her against allowing her alec. tions tO be directed tuward me; ! did not warn her, but thougat that by bringiuy moral iudueoces to bear upon ber it would preveut those atfections trom vetng Girected toward me; l was not mase | acqualated = with Bessie quing away; I do aot recollect when 1 drsé paid out any money on accoant of Besse furner; 1 can teil by looking at dum; | made au advance on @ check book; I hw that 1 kept at that tim have not seen the stuo | Of the check book (vheck produced); this is one | of tue checks I gave Mr. Moulton jor | TUS USE OF LESSIR TURNER; it Was represented to me that money was due for Beasie Vurners education; Mr, Moullon said ib would relieve Mr, Tiltom M the money was au- vanced; | Was willing to pay the ‘check; there Was bo tarest abowt it; I did it as an oilice of kindness; 1 did mot regard it as biackwali; im some part of my interview witu Air Moulton I sugg' Of assistance to Mr. Tilton as regards the mor gage ou bis Louse; 1 do Hot recuilect wout was Bald at tue time Of advancing the money except Stating that tue money was needed, auul gave the checks; 1 un od at the time the Was to pay jor tae edacatiom of Bessie ‘Yuruer; [ Go Dot recollect seeing & will of $500 fur Bessie | Turner's scuooling; 1do Bot remember Moulton stating any otaer oWect lor the money but the gchooung of Bessie Turner; the giving of tus mouey Was suggested by Mr. Moaitun in the most Gelicate manner, and | gave it, feeliug that l was co-operating With him;1 have kept no account of this momey; | bave never keps au ac count im my lie; there was never a suggestion ou my part to giving axssist- ance to Tilton; in & general conversation | With me Mr. Moulton said there was a mortgage a had better go down and see Mr. Kinsella | upon Mr, Titou's house, And i said that Uf any ef- fort Was made to take up the mortgage 1 would stand in wy piace aud would dv my part; alr. Moulton did Kot suggest to me to taxe up tne morigage; I brought the subject up to moulton’s consiucration, \earing bé Wight have forgotten 1 belore paying over sue $5,0u0 to Air, Jiton, there Were cuoVersativus between me and Mr, Mouton as lo the state of the Golden Age; Wuat money was necessary to pay lor paper; Mr, Moultou drew out a letter from iis pocket and read some ex- tracts irom it, Woick Were some statements taal a check 1 $2,000 hud been sent to Lue Golden Age and some time ills; aud having reierrea to these cnecks ne said, “That 18 What I call iricndsmip;" L took an luterest in the Golden Age, aud so did Mr. Moulton; 1 do not thing Mr. Moulton intended Quy lint, out I took a bint atter 1 went hoime; Mr. Moulton did not express @ wisa that 1 smouid con. tribute money to tne | GOLDEN GE; this $5,000 was not given by me for the purpose Ol setting ine difliculy between Tilton amd my- self; iil understuod tuut tae moaey was ty have been paid tu settie the difficulty | would not have paid # cent, if Ll had deen Killed for it, Mr. Puiertun read irom a printed statement to the effect that Mr, Beecher hud said betore the Investigating Committee that the payment of $5,000 Would Dave veen tue setdement of the Wuole thing. . Mr. Beecuer presumed that that was substanu- tially What be sald; ne presumed he said be was Teady to pay $5,000; he could out say bow long aiter Mr. Moulton showed aim tae time draits Vaut he (Mr. Beecaer) raised toe $6,000; thinks 16 Was Within @ 1eW ua) 8; Old Moulton He Was gulDg Wo raise tne $5,000, amd tea browat it to aim; did wot regard that as black mall, Weil, did you think (bat was ootained from you by Mr. Moulton iu auy improper way? A. ‘that Was not my feeling tuen at asi, sir, Q You did not regard it a8 Diackwalit A. 1 did not. Q. Well, when Mr. Moulton got the $5,000 from you did he pot teil you he Suould Hot toll Mr. Til- ton where it came irom? A. i dou’s recau about tha & Don’t you think something took piace upon Wat saoject? A. All l recall now is chat HE SHOULD FRED If OUL 10 M& TILTON, care uliy aud jauicious! Q Ata you beleved he would do so—didn’t you? A. d id, air, &. Did you think that Theodore Tilton, up to the tume you paid the $5,000, was laying Diackiail upom youinany way? A. loam’. say I jaoughs 40. Q Had you any reagontothingso? A. i nid | no reasun; ido.’t know tha. lbad; I may have | bad (he sUggesOy Mit across My mind, but it Was | HOthINg that made Guy sefivUs IWpressivn, Sif, | q Wolllloave ic there. Wasa did you Urst | Cul CONVINCE! OF Mpremved Wita the iue¢a tout this mouey Gad been VbLaiued irom you Woprop. grt A. 1 thnk it Was wome time in Augusi, Ae7Te \ Aud what did you think were the imp. oper Means used by Me Moulton to get the money ‘rom you? A, Wel, wif, L gid GOO thinki wad Roti could Hot Miko ysel tuiBK Bs had used aDY lmproper Means to got wWuhe, if mM GO, | cf What Gans did he Gse to get money from | you Wied you tavdyat iM. roper? A, lie ised Ko inéans Waics at tue time t deomed were io proper, q. Did he suggest toyou the payment of the money? A. He aid bor, exXcopt id Lhe Guse Of the Feria vill, OWL MOL Of Fae $5,000. } & You lolu we @ momen’ HZO Thar the 32,000 Ghdthe $4,000, 48 | Wuderstoud you, were puis wihtogiy? A. Willinglys Q. You sought the Opportuaity Of paying? Ay Wei. 1 con's say 6 60 the $6.00, Q Didu’t you tel Gs om your direct exumina- ton that soa catued Mr, aiowiiua Jor Hot epiling upon joa jor aid? id did, ot; i word tim WwOUght Ne Was A legerWer 100 SeumvO, Q AG4, AitEE oh Ged yoR beLeve bo | the whole case. improper means in taxing this money from you? | A. 1 did nor, of wy own sell. | nl Somebody else did ior you—is that it? A. el, I WAS TOLD THAT WAS BLACKMAIL. 0, No, no; 1 don’. want what wnybody else told you. ldon’t want to get into & controversy with Brote artnan acouti'. (Laugater.) The counsel here requoted irom the evisence of Mr. Beecher beiore tue Plymouth church Inyesti- , udd- Where Mr, Beecher said that alter E i been paid he felt very much dissat- istied With himseil aout it, Q. ¥, did that dissatisfaction with yourself 2m 1374, as you hav: Angust? Atter ware Jo the munch of August, 1874? A, Two years j there are ether ingccar@cies in tat state. Stated, im the month of ment, Q. Weil, sir, 1f it fitted through your mind when | you had paid the $2,000 that viackmau was being | taken /rom you, how did it happen you paid | vne $6,000? “A. 1 didn’t consider that as black- mail, sir. | Q Didn’t consider what as blackmail? A, Tre $5,000, | v. [ dian’s ask you that? A, You asked me how | considered {t a3 biackmal! when | paid the $5,000, The question was repeated by Mr. Pullerton. The Witness—l did nos consider that, nor did I consider the other. Q. Well, we will employ other terms then. If tt | u Oitting througo your mind that perhaps 000 Was blackmail, how did tv happen that | you paid the $5,000 alterward, A, I did not con- bider \uat Mr, Moulton, 1m levying any part o: it— | Q. Oue moment. Just leave out Mr. Moulton, if | you piease, and everybody eise. 1am taising bout the abstract payment of tne money? A. I @m talking about the Same thing. | Q. | ask the question again (question repeated)? A. Because that div not savor of biackmau to me thea; nor did the other until alterward, | Q Alter wnat? A. Alter | bad paid it. | ©. Weil, afier you bad paid the $2,000, did it savor of Diackmull? A, The suggession came aiterward. Q. Well, now, Task you after those suggestions came to your ming that it Was blackmail, Low did it happei that you paid furtaer mouey? A, The suggestion did not come to my mind that te lurioer money Was blackmail. Q. I didn’t ask you that. Judge Neilson—Weill, did those suggestions come to your mind until aiter all the money had | been paid over? } ‘Yhe Wituess—The suggestion came to me tn this | form:—Toat Mr. Moulton Was pursuing @ course of | perfect uprigutness, but Mr. Lilton was in a posi- tion in whica he was willing to use my help tor | himself, and wheo Mr. Mouiton represented the greit advantage which would be had in setting the Golden Age irce trom ail’ its aiMculties by im- Mediate and liberal contributions, and ending | tuereiore its diicuities, 1 had not the sligutest | thought it was blackmail. Q. Now, I repeat the question—If the thought flitted through your mind tnat the $2,000 savored vi viackmall, Woy did you pay the $5,000 A. Be- | cause, sir, 1 didn’s think that that savored of | blackmail. | Q. You told me a moment ago thatif you had.) any idea that the contrioutions savored of black- | | mall you Would not have pal: thematail? A. IT did not think that tt savored of biackmall at all until after they bad been paid. Q. The $2,000 you thought savored of blackmail? A. No, 1 did not. Q. Did it occur to you, or did the thougut come you, or come fo your mind in any way, tial tue | ‘ou savored of blackmail velore you paid tue | 0? A. Not under that designation, sir, | Q. Well, under What desigoaiton’ A, Ldo not | think that the thought of blackmail came to we Unti after the comuniiLlee’s investigation in 1874; I did not put toat name on, vut it Was pus on, and 1 spoke of 1t because we were counseling va the subject and | calied it by the uname neard it called, WHO SUGGESTED BLACKMAIL? Q. Now, who putitouty A. 1 don’s know which ol them, Q. Weil, tell us who were there and let them | divide the honors (\aughter); where was it and whO were present? A. J don’t Kuow any particu. jar interview that J can designate, Q. tei: me, Mr. Beecuer, if you please, who it Was that suggested to you wnat the payment of this money Was Diackmail’ A, 1 think Air. Shear- | Man Will have to take part Of it, won't he? Q Lthiuk 80, perhaps the whole oi it? A. No. | Q Waoelsey A, [suspect it must have been | General tracy. Q. Did you think 1t waa beaten into you by | sound argument? A, Wed, 1 don’t think it was by argument exactly, Q. Well, bas it stayed io you ever since you came to believe it was biackmall? A, I FALL FROM GRACE ONOE IN A WHILE and recover again. Q. Well, recover as best you can and tell me whether you believe now that Francis D. Moulton inieuded’ to biackmaill you in obtaining these sums of money from you? A. Ihave never yet-— | Q. Tell me whetaer you believe it now? A, 1 ‘was going to tell you. Q. You can say “Yes” or “No? A. Just now I Dave no thougut avous it In the matter in the contusion ud excitement of your question that | dves not rest a8 & Matier upon my mind, Q Now l want to Kuow upon what, therefore, — your suggestions rest that it might be probavle | Tuas he levied biackmall upon your A. It is upon toe representation that on such a man as I am the way toievy blackmail is noc to inumidate him, | but to work upon his Kindher feelings by the ae most delicacy, and with such delicate touches my feelings were Wrought upon, they Knowiug wy generosity Was @ Weukuess, and so the Money Was ~ obtuluod | BY MORAL BLACKMAIL, Q. By moral olackinati? A. Yes, sir, | q@ 1s that tue way the lawyers argued it with | you? A. Pretty muca that way, Q That's the way they beut itinto you? A, That's pretty muca the way toey rudved it ito me, Q Mr, Beecher, your answer to the question which I put to you Whether you now believe that Francis UV, Moulion Intended to levy biwckimail Upon you, Das mol been answered satisfactorily to my associates, and 1 put it to you again as to your presen: beue:? A. Weil, sir, if you wean by Diack» Inail that be levied coutributions for his own ad- vanta on me I do not think he did; butli you mican that he levied mouey upon me, using my onerous seeitn, a the instruiweniaiity for the | enelt of Mr. i think be did. | Q@ Did you no! arirom Various quarters that Mr. Moulton condewned ia unmeasured terms tor havin led blackmail upon you! A. out of town at the Wuite Moan | ains; 1doa’s resoliec: hearing of it there, Q. Well, what occurred in October, 1874, which brought you to the conclusion that that was blackmail? A. The same thing that operated ia the beginning. q. talk to Mr. Tracy and Mr. Shearman? A. Mr. Tracy and Mr. Shearman and Mr. Winslow and Mr. Sage and Mr. Storrs and Mr. Cleaveland, and whom ejse did I tale to? [know Ldian’t talk to anyoudy avout those times; they didn’t push mo in that direction; I can’t say I talked to them ail, but f think it quite likely; [ recollect talking with | Mr. Sage and 1 tuiok with Mr. Winsiow; Ar. Wins- jow is a lawyer I toink, he thougnt it was nee laiso talked wisn W. O. Bartlett, of New York, Q. You talked with these men alter they were put on the committee, did you? A. Yes. Q. And they insisted upon it to you that this Was biackmali? A, Members of the commitice f don’t thing I talked wito so much as 1 via wito the lawyers lor the committee. Q@ Weill, What mewbers of the committee did you talk with about tis blackmati’ A. If 1 were to say more certainly than any others, 1 should say wita Mr. Cleaveland and Mr. Sage; It is quite possivie tuat I taiked wita Mr. Storrs about it, al- thougn [ dou’t recoliect is distinctly. Q This was velore evidence was taki the committee, wasitmut? A. lt was whe committee were taking the evidence. Q Was i¢ belore your evidence was taken ? a 10) tue | A. Toan’t say posiively. . What Is your beat recollection about it? | ati talked also with Mr, Koss W. Raymond, and his hand was always very Leavy upon me. Q. You bad 4 HARD TIMB OF IT, no doubt? (Laugnter.) A. 1 did, Q. Now, haan’t you stated ficts to Mr. Cleave- Jane vac the committee was formed? A. Woat facts Q. in regard to the payment of this money? A. | I presume | uid, dus cwn’t say. Q Didn't be express an opinion before he was put Upon the commitiee? A. l can’t say; | made sowe statements of Some facts counected With to case Lo bi before Be Was appointed on the com- mictee. | Q. Did he exp Opinion apon those +e wWruck you thus stated? A. On some of them te did, Q. Aod what opinion did he express? A. I don’t Peoal if, ait. Q Was it favorable or an-avorable to you? A. | Ub, It was provaoly tavoravle to me; he was a govd, seasibie man, (Lau,ynter ) ; @ ou What savject did i xpress a favorable opiniun? A. Ldon't au ubjects buat cau | up ior consideration, cy Q Wei, the subject Was this dificulty, wasn’t | ur A. fr. Q. Thereiore you got the opinion and the judg- | menotol one of tie commitice mea belore you | appolated Bim On taat commutee? A. Not apon | Q Well, # partoris? A. Upon sume facts in it, | Q A good (hing, HO doubE? A. UD, L Was only | toy giad to yet auy ideas, | Q Hat wore you tuo giad to vet & man Woo bad | expressed af Opiuion veforemand? A. | was very | giud vo get @ (daa Woo wad an Opinion Worthy Lo | 66 expr Now, Wad Mr, Sage on this committee? A. he Was, | Q, Dil you talk to him before be was appointed ? A i oun’s Coink 1 did, Q Atterwards? A, [ did, Beiore your statement was made? A. think iw ater My statement Was Wade, but i wou’t pe defdulie about tuat; | Was not present when | the cua niliee’s Teport Was read; 1 Was aiter | waru iniormed by Rows Raywond that it waa & | triumpuet weguivka: Of me; 1 oeVer read i. oF heard it ef hau it seated to me vy aoaly sie, Withess Was asked lo give (he wames of the cCoumitee, Ald having done sy guid that it was only LY special providence buat he Was enabled tO | Tewembur thw, Abe, timated buat 1t would Dave veea Lever it mory had veon heiped Soror ihe GOduRL then produced the copy of Mr. uinted out ior the recog. | | Ol Ovtober 4, 1508, aaion.” | MF, SO6arMan i ao Budertour, (nade Bote Te | mare W Mr, PWiertoa about vreneuiag, Gad tue | ‘i ‘ue Nuosiity 1 Coa | toank us for tne suggestion. | Chinese. | thoroughly alarmed, exclatming, ‘ferrine | kee! ition, | Which were published inp the Hun. | teed that he was somewhat | ¢ warcen “Wes"? was uduut to $$ latter retorted, “he mignt preach some Gay.” Mr. Beecher remarked, “I woula be very Dappy to Bee you on my platiorm.” Mi. Fullerton—Brotuer Shearman will be all the andier ti will want, (Laughter.) Mr. r—Aud perhaps aii that you will have. agh ier.) ir, #uilerton—What’s that? I digo’t hear that. | dr. Beecher—tt wasn’t meant jor you. Mr. Fullerton—if 1 should consent, Brother Shearman, | should have my hands ti Counsel then read an extract irom the sermon to umsiane er Wiech con- y not always be It was how wanting but tes of four, ucunation Lo p and the counsel expressing a 4 adjouroed tll tne ceed furthe vont Ww usual hour, eleven o'clock A. 5 LET US EXPORT BEECHER. To te Epiron oy THE HERALD :— I notice by an extract irom the Press, appended | to this letter, that kissing is not known in Canina, Being a practi: man, this announcement has given me an idea—a happy idea. Let us educate the Chinese, Millions of people are living In appa Tent ignorance of the bliss which attends the Meeting of two lips. Shall they die in their igno- rance’ Never! But how shail these barvarians be instructed ? Aba, that 18 my idea, Let us export Beecher, and jor evermore shall the walls of Hong Kong echo 10 tne sounds of the kiss paroxysmal, the ; REFORMED CHURCH CLASS. ioe THE PUBLIC SCHOOL QUESTION DISCUSSED—A™ OUTRAGE ON CATHOLICS—DELEGATES TO THE GENERAL SYNOD. The Reiormed churches in this city and victaitp are represented in two ecclesiastical bodies known as Classis, One is known as the New Yoru Cr % and the other as the South Classis of New York, both of these bodies met yesterday ia their semi-annual , the former in the Col- Jegia streec aud the latter chureh in Sixth avenue, THE SCHOOL QUESTION DISCUSSED. A comraittse, Which bad been appointed to pre pare a niinute expression on the sense of the Clasait on the school question, now agitating this co e cuurca ou Futnavenue and Tweaoty-nints in the Union Reformed | munity, of which Dr. Rogers and Jadge D, P. Inv | pression being given, kiss Inspiratory, the kiss pastoral and toe kiss in- | spirational. Unborn Beechers (in China) may But heaven help te | enclose thirty cents in revenue stamps to assist in exporting Beecher. HE PHILADELPHIA INSANE ASYLUM. KISSING IN CHINA. Itisa singular fact that the custom of Kissing ts altogether unkoown in China, The Chinese, in- deed, have no word or term expressing love as we understand the tender passion. An American navy ollicer, voyaging Chinaward, narrates an amusing experience of tie igoorance of the Chinese maidens of the science of kissinu, Wish- ing to complete a conquest he had made ol ayouny | net jin (beautifal lady), he tavited ner—usins the English words—to give him a kiss. Finding her comprehension of his request somewhat obscure, he suited the action to the word und took a de- licious kiss. The girl ran away info another sees ane eater! [shall be devoured.” But iv a moment, finding herseif uninjured by the salate, she re: turned to his side, saying, “l would Ilke to learn more of your stranye rite, Ke-e-es mel!" te knew tt wasn’t right, but he kept on instructing her in the right ot *ke-e-es me’? until sie Knew how to dy itiike a native Yankee giri, and, aiter ail that, she suggested a second course by remark- ing, **Ke-e-es me some more sccn jin, mee-lee- (Anglice—American), and the lesson went on until her mamma's voice radely awakened them from their del.cious dream, RAPID TRANSIT. ELECTION OF A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. The New York Rapid Transit Association heid @n adjourned meeting yesterday atternoon at No. 162 Broadway, Charles Butler presidtog and 4. H. | Cammanon acting as secretary. The business of the meeting was to elect a — board of directors, which was done as follow: Horace B. Claflin, Hiram W. Sibley, Joon H. Sherwood, Alonzo B. Cornell, Curistopher Meyer, Joho B. Cornell, Pnilip Van Volkenburgh, Wiltam H. Lee, George H. Bisseil, GriMth Rowe, Lewis J. Phillips, Lewis G. Morris, Charies F. Livermore, James M. Drake, John H. Cheever, Edmund A. Smith, Aaron Raymond, Charles Butler, Nathatie: P. Batley, Wiliam H. Morrell, Hermann H. Cammann, Coariles Li. Roose. velt and B. L. Ackerman. Considerable atscussion was had over the name | of James E. Kelley, sume members doubdttug bis membership, and ‘his pluce being eventually leit vacant im order to test the Jacc of his member- ship. Some angry remarks occurred on the presenta- by Mr. John Collins, of tne resoiutious passed at a meeting of tue Nineteenty Ward Rapid ‘Transit Assvctallon saturday evening iast, and the follow- ing day. it Was resvived to returi resoluuons: to tie Nineteenth ward association, as it was conciuded tdeir tone and form were disrespectial, An introductory preambie alieged against tne parent organization a want Oo! good iaith, esp cially in that while the members of tue Nine- teenth ward organization w willing to sav- scribe $500,000 to the lund they were excluded irom all participation in tue control o! the organi- ZAULON, and that realy, cousitering the $3,000,000 | had not yet, in accuruance with the constitution of the association, beea subscribed and Wwe sub- Scription, so far Ks wade, Way merely On paper, no board of directors could be at the present ume legitimately elected. Additional subscribers were announced—Roos velt & Son, $10,000; Willtam BE. Dodge, $10,0 Benjamin F, Bavvitt, $10,000; J. M. Brown, $2,000; A wotion to appointJoho A. Dix, BD. Morgan, John Jacob Astor, Peter Cooper, Rayal Phelps, Wuillam £. Dodge and James M. Brown a8 an ad- Visory Committee Was, uiter some debate, with n. The association adjourned to meet again on Tau rs having been apeut in G.scassions and Want of harmony Daving bea re- peatedly made eviaent, CLUB EXERCISE. BROTHER OFFICER. About half-past ten o'clock yesterday morning | Officer Wililam Maher, of the Tweuaty-nintn pre cinct, arrived at thestation bouse after aispoving of two prisoners whom he had arrested the night before for intoxication, When be camein Ser- geant Douglas, who was at the d no- under the in- fluence of liquor. he passed into the back room, OMicer Hector Kiinge and some other men of | duty were indaiging in a game of dominoes, Without any provocation or any intimation of nis | intent Oicer Maher made a sudden and sweep- ing attack on Oflcer Klinge with his club, and cut bim over the bead in four places before tue other men could stop bis furious onslaugnt. It natur- ally caused great commotion in tne station house, abd even the men who were as.eep up stairs were aroused § ifom their beds. = AS svon a3 quiet was restored Sergeant Dougias had UMicer Maher arraigned beiore bin and at once questioned pim as to lis ruitianiy conduct ihe umcer replied, “Roundsmaa Wal- jace 18 Hid brother-in-law, and Roandsman Wal- Jace made a faise charge against me five days ago.” Sergeant Douxzlas told Ofticer Manet to go homo and strip aimseit of nis unuerm and return to the station house immediately, Up to tweive o'clock Maber aid pot make Appearance, and Captuin Steers sent Detective Kogers and Rounasman Carpenter to jvok for him. He was found in a liquor store on the cor- her of Tuirty-second sireet aad Seventh avenue, in fall uutiorm, drinklug at tue bar, Detective Rogers immediately stated mis 1a18ston, and asked hum to go quietly to the stanon nouse, Oiticer Maher rephed by knocking Detective Rovers down, Wuereapon (he detective, a8 soou as be recovered his leet, struck out for vficer Maver and implanted two very Severe bioWS about the eyes Oi Lis assailant. All Woe parties conceruea appeared belore Justice Kasmire, at tue Washington Piace Police Court, late yesteruay afternoon. Officer Kiinge, who wad been attended by Pouce Surgeon Heary and nad | his ead ail bandaged up, preferred @ charge of assault and batiery against Olicer Maver, Maner contended that hé vad been siruck first by Oficer Klinge, oat all the other oMcers of the preciuct Present tescfied to the contrary. The case was Femanded until to-day for sarcuer examiuation. SING SING FIGHTERS. CONDITION OF THR WOUND§¥D cCONVICTS—MUR- DEROUS ASSAULT ON “WES” ALLEN BY & FELLOW JalL BIRD. To the casual observer tranquillity reigned at Sing Sing Prison yeaterday, Tue breeze of excite- | ment occasioned by the attempted escape of five convicts on Monday (the circumstances attensing which have aiready been related exclusively in tne HsRaLy) had blown over, loaving benina no visivle Fesalts other than two wounded jail birds in tne hospital and anutoer onscathed, the sole occupant of 4 dark cel, 1he wouaued convicts, Alexander Corbett and Joon Moitaipiy, are still kugeriog considerable pain irom ‘ueir nyarie, aicnough no da. gerous #y¥Inptoms had mauiieste (Heniseives iB CiLuer case. it jeaked ot at the prisom yesterday that a Murderous ossauir Was receatiy jade on “Wes yeerine Dotoriety, Who iA stil in rius irom the injury received, that ander a former agoot and to Agnara, wheu be barrie wid) WIth & OLLIE OF the eXpiosive CuMMOUILY Hamed threatened to LOW Up tne eatire priavd if was molested, hie car- Tied Bis point, abd Was permitted to remain, Lately bo Gas been employed, wit tour or ive otners, toe work of “ioeaing” dime kine With stone, und @ (OW days since he Was jound lyst Covered With DiOOd KOd iuseasibie in a Litto Shea HeGr tue lime Kids, Where ihe mea Were uo- customed to haag tuetr jackets and rest woeo nos at work, He was carried to tie hospital, woore, UPON @XaMNGation, it Was lowad tual De had been Geait & wurver DOW Ou Lhe sue Of tas head With some Leavy iusWument, whieh lad wlimoss Like Gat, 16 WAN wtuted seosequeatiy (has @apon used Was oa drill. Alleu, wue has & deleCtive ¢ WW appears, Waa siting iu fentiy perusing the pagex Oo: @ dally paper, when some On wllow CONVIG 8 ADPraAgued wi ‘Wid so" Abd RUMINsLEred Lae low, | pital was Wed to bo & 1etal ous, GAUL DES UL Beem discovered, George W. Carleton | | DESPEBATE ATTACK BY A PATROLMAN oN 4. after making bis report | Where | | did Wot kuOW the decease graham were members, reported that it was no® expedient at this time to take any action thereon, Dr. Ganse thought it was the most important question that could come before Uhurc® bodies at this time, and he advocated some ex- Dr. Rogers considered the Board oi Education a competent body of men, and he thought we should ali be satisfled with the result of their action, aud it woald be bardly proper or respectful to remind them of their duty, ‘The action proposed by the Catholics ts an outrage ou the people of New York, but it is the latter's | duty tooppose it as citizens and taxpayers, and | not as miuisters or ecciesiastical bodies. Dr, Ruey deemed It legitimate and proper for Classis to State respectiuliy ama kindiy that they shoulg consider Iban invasion of the rights of their oe+ nowmauoas ior tne Board of sducauon to take tne Une ol action ;ropused by tne Casnolics, it will lead to & terrible condics and opposition ib adopied. Dr. Coumoers remarked that il this ald be grauted to Komaa Catnulies tt will 0c asked (or tue Schvois O OLner desoMiowtions also, and ne Would do tS best to get it lor Che Sehouls Ate tached to bis churen. He had heard meu Well ie | formed express a gr 1 o1 doubt as tu ine immediate issus Of Luis «ppiicatic if the resuis bali provoke a fight it will be & Dig Might, aud 28 believed it vetter to let the Board ku (vie Classis) tuiOk Of 16 belore it comes ta puss. Dr. Ocmis:on tnougit the Board sould be told plainly and prompuy that ti it granted this ald to the Roman Cathoile schools it must do the same to others. Judge Ingrabam remursed thas the law says (he Board shali Bot do certain things, aud yet here i8 an wpplicativu to them to viviate this law. Now, i they are competens enouga to know that they can’t do this thing, aud We dice tate to Wwem Whatis thelr ducy, we shul Weakem our oWi stuence by aud by. would not (said the Judge) ask them to violate we law [or ud, even i they do it jor the Roman Catuo.ics, AN OUTRAGE ON CATHOLICS, Elder Wiliam Wood remiar.ea toat when ha was a memver of Whe Board of Haucation tere | Were tiree Komud Catuolics In it; but bow, out Ol} the \wenty-vue members Oo! that Bo .rd, there i but one Kowan Catioic. He coasidered tils ag outrage Wich the appointments were made, aud he considers it so MUw. I Le Schuoi LOaTdS of | trus ees their rights are ignored ia like munner, | and he was aot surprisea thuc they wake demauas | pow which toey never woud have thought of had their riguts been respected. The Cataolies, im fis opiniou, erred IM (ueir method o getting ob the eud tuey seek. Had they Closed their senvol abd thrown ths 30,000 children Waolcu wey say they Dave io Charge on Lae bands Of the Boara of Euucation, that Board would be ovligea to lease touse schvois; tor it could not Oud seQvuld euvugn ior w dozen years to cowe to meet tms waut, Another cider remarked that tue Catholics know very well woat they are avout. It 18 their trace to uy and break up whatever stands in the way of heir ac. signs a8 a church, aud Chis Is bul the emtering Wedge, aud it is the general impression of tue public tuat this application Will ve grauted, evea ig Vivlauon of the law. Lhe committee were aise charged, and the Ciassid adupted @ resolution of Its OWn oUeN ON this BUb/ECK | Acalof the Avenue B caurch on the Rev. N. M. Stetfens, of Ilunois, was reeeived and placed ta Dis Bauds abd arrangemeuts Maue fur Dis 1uetallae ton next montn. Drs. Mandeville, Ormiston, Chambers and Geyer were elected deleyates to tae General Syuod, which meets im Jersey City on the 2a of Juve, Kiders N, =. King, VD. P, Ingraham, James Wood aud Cameroun were aiso elected. To bare ticwar Synod Drs. Riley, Duboise, De Hart aad Curroil Were chosen, and Elders Bogardas, arte Miller ana De Breese. Some Otuer business ol minor importance Waa trausacted aud the Classis adjourned. SI. ANDREW'S CHURCH. Rev. Michael Curren, the pastor of St. Andrew's | charch, begs leave to return thanks to the foliowe | ing ramed gentlemen for additional contributions to the fund already raised for the benedt oj tue suderers by the crusaing oi tae churca:— ree ono 68, Mr. ttogo Friel Mr. Frank Lesite Mr, O'Mara. Lawrence McAlanon | Total, | Que Rev. G. “it 1D. Dey fi ture on the “2xternal Worship of the Cat Churet," in St, Andrew's coureo, corner of Dau street and City Hall pla April 25. our most promi: anticipated that o lecture. ev. Andrew's ouureh, Sule Jectare a periect success. SHOT FOR LOVE ANTE-MORTEM STATEMENT OF MISS LIED SEIDENWARD, The unfortunate iri, Lizzie Seldenward, who Was shot by Jacob Souderman im Chatoam street Monday evening, was very low yesterday alter noon Woen Coroner Eicknoffcalied at the house of ber parents ior the purpose of taxing ner autes Tcrtem statement, Sle was somewhat easier thal she had been during the fore part of tue day, but nevertheless seemed to be rapidly sinking. Deputy Coroner Dr, Marso examined the wound careluliy a Opinion that meningius woud Last evening, about eight o’ciock, I left ms home wita Mr. Isaac Brown and Miss Annie be. tween the Bowery and Secuna avenue, We walked to Chathata street, opposite Ruoseveit, and then waited for a Tpird avenue cat, was coming aud Mr, Browao was just gol it wuen Ll beard a report ana we all suddenly few apart. Lielt astinging pain benind my leit ear aud saw biood On my leit hand. I ser toat [ was shoe, Liouad myselfielt into a hallway, Some oficer came up avd asked me What Was the matter and 1 said I was shot, 1 was taken to Park Hospital and my motner was seut tor, Alter this the doctor trieu to get the bail oul 1 Was thea brought home in an amvulance. J did not see the persva Who sDO. me, out Mise Thomas calied oat to me woen | said “I \m show’ that Souderman wad shot me, She told me sh@ Saw Lim shoot ikoew when I was shot that Souderman had shot me, vecause ne had threat @ded and said o@ Would Shout me, and has veed sollowing we around. He tareaiened to saoot n¢ il Would nut marry Dim. He met me im the sircet gg ony if i did not marry fort he Has jolloweu me around wherever 1 has tareatened to snoo: me. THE FRANKFORT HOUSE FIRE. THE FIRE SUPPOSED TO DE OF AN INCENDIARE CHABACTER, Coroner Woltman resumed tne Inquest yester, Gay in the case of tue unknown man, supposed to be one David Read, who died of sudfucavon at the fre at the Fraak ort House on the 6t0 of April. O, Smith, beiug sworn, testified:—law proprietor of tue Frankfurt House; the fire om curred at abous twenty minutes to tires A. M. om the Oth inst; the clerk called me afew minute aiter the fre broke out; Went up stairs and ound that the fire origin water closet Or (he room ext vw it; When | Weat up stairs the tire Was coming i:om the water closets and tne room adjoliog; bad Wo inen with me to erouse the 1omates; tae Ouildiag Was built oy mysell im tae building Was intended joe 4 waging house aud CoMiaios 192 rooms lor rent, their Bize8 Veiug 8X10 and J0xX12; tuere are 240 rooms in the house, CouDting the Water ciuse. 8; too beght of | i. ver baiding is seventy-two i@et—about the uel. pi & modern dve story house; there are bunt ; had w tae extent lessened; my ore Who are ‘auver Uo iid) Tession that toe ineeks hi origiat { be Was registered oa book Detween eight aud twenty minutes pass @ UV. Me Apru d, dod oveupiou room Nu. di4; 1 Was up (ill Qeit-past Oud A. M., ADTL 6, On accuant Of Guvinw A Kew Clerk; 1 thik shar Thomas Ber FO aod KovErs Sut Cad borow some light Upoe (he origin oO: ibe are; 1 suspect Thomas Bryson, who was a Clerk In wy eiaploy three iunths; he ie ou Bag. a} 1 diveuarged tu ion r cy Charged Jor (he sume reusou; he Was w poreer ab Grst aud & dierk two tug; the last naa 18 ihe House was ihe average Qumuer lodgers in tue a from eiguty to Griety. | pt Whe tae OF tae proveeuings the im top Was adjouraed rely, mow | @ seoure Cerinen WiLuonsede