The New York Herald Newspaper, April 15, 1875, Page 6

THR BROOKLYN MYSTERY. Mr. Fullerton Exhausting the Ar- senal of Cross-Examination en the Defendant. A BATTLE OF KEEN INTEELECTS | ™ Mr. Beecher’s Confidence in the Concilia- tory Powers of the Mutual Friend. —_——- +- THE PISTOL AS A SILENT ARGUMENT, Why Mrs. Tilton’s Letter of Retraction Was Intrasted to Moulton To Be Burned. enlininlgentceaenae MR. EVARTS SHIELDS HIS CLIENT. eeu aliiow ooo A Wearying Day for the Badgered Occu- pant of the Witness Box. A Soli and distinguished company sa; down to enjoy tne proceedings in the Brookiyn trial yes- terday. There were no seats to spare, but very many were indemand. ‘Two or three thousand respectable looking people occupied the long, dark | corridor, though the court room was as full as it could hold, and yet they stayed there patiently al! day long, despite the bright sun and balmy breath of spring called eloquently on them to come out | into the open air and be happy. Itisagooarule — pf the Court to allow nobody in wlio cannot have | eat, Inthe early days a dense wallot men | mere permitted to fill the three sides of the room, | shutting on: the fresh air and tmperiliing the lives of the lawyers, jurors and reporters, Among THE PAMOUS PEOPT who divided the curlosity of the audience with the wreai Gefendant was Mark Twain, who took @ aeat under the shadow of the Bench and passed Lhe time between listening to the proceedings and reading the Atlantic, Robert Lincoln, son of the late President, a good-natured, handsome, large, miusiached, fasbionable-looking young man Oo! per- haps thirty, had a seat bebina the Judge. District Attorney Pheips gravitated to the lawyers’ circle, and the bright, brown-eyed manager of the World, Mr. Montgomery Schuyler, was | Wade welcome among the reporters. A host of lawyers from here, there and every- where, filieG the limited space the Bench affords, More ladies than ordinary and more benuty than ever came under observation. Mr. Beach was absent till about noon, All the reat of | ‘tue lawyers, except Roger A. Pryor, were promptly pn band. Mra Beccher and her daughter sat, as usnal, side by side, the one pale as alabaster, her dace iramed in a setting of silver witlte hair; we other rosy, like the blush of dawn, aod her hatr | She-color of the raven's wing. | TILDON’S HEAD HIGH. Titon held bis heat higa, and his eye was brighter, bie bearing prouder, his color clearer, thamever before. Some prophetic spirit nad been ‘waolepermg iw his ear the day of atonement is niet. Yesterday was big wit!) meaning and with por- tentstire, My. Beecher came into court with less of th» oid wrave font that marked bis former bearing: Guersing at bis thoughts as one might judge by we looks Mr. Beecher was not wholly confident of nimeelt. The experieuce of the pre- Vious day Was not assuring, nor was It froittul of goud result+ for the defence, Sitting im (he wit- Nese chair, with te morning light falling full on his face, te large evelids seemed to droop, the heavy cheeks to hang, u0d the general expression to indicaxe great and uncommon trouble and per $urba'ion of goa). TY BARNest. Fo lertom dropped the gentie, suave voice of the previous day, and pushea the method of his cross eXamination to the very verge of radeness, “Did | Jou say you humbled yourself before Theodore | ‘Tiion se you aid before your God 1’ asked the counse), The witness demurred, and gave a dif- | ferent version. A great deal of badgering by coun- sel fo lowed as to opinion Beecher bad of Til- tou’s character then, Evarts came ghilantly to ihe | rescu® of his witness, who was laboring painially in the tolls, and Was a proper onjesto! pity. Faller ton Was abominabiy aggressive and belligerent, prepared to Sykt a legiva o/ the defendant's law- per © threttic Evarts end jay him ou bis back end piten Sherman, Tracy and Hill out tbe window. ‘The court room was ringing with his voice. Ques- tion alter euest'og, ia & tone of | YREMENDOUS ENERGY ' aod passion were hurled at the witness to bring | out hisexplanation of the letter of comtrition. | Toe witnese for amoment roused his voice and crowneo that of the counsel, hurting bac the | questioN a* to Lis-writing the letter with tne re- | spouse that the letter was nor his. He placed a treunbling Band apon his brow, the perspiration oozed Irom bis temples and the veins stood forth prominentiy. It wastwenty minutes past three, aud the witness threw au anxious look at the clock as if he wished the day were done and the agony at an end. Presently he grew COLLECTED AND CALM, t not ao Pullerton. The iawyer was in the full of Mis assault and bent on destrnction. | ‘Teere was no placating him With a jest, as the wit- ness found to hie mortification. Woo to Shear. an if he bad intruded an objec"ion at this mo- yent—woe, even to the mighty Evarts. The vig Jnjan wae on the warpath, flourishing the toma. hawk, and bis cry was blood. When he rammay among bie papers on the iavie awe fell upon audience, What terrible weapon mext?’ What kind of biade will he nuw wet in tue gore of yierim ? Tiege is sympatuy for Beecher. The awiul reien* Winquisitor gives no pause. His /. as red, veiy bair is sentiont with life and posi” #06 riser on bis head like tue quills of the ar spy porcepine. He lifts end poises nis eye- if wighteng the witness, (nat he might levei on Gim ap iInvielbie nu(railieuse aad Dlow him all to pieces Up rives the doit and sinewy Evaris and demande for bil ot fur play. Londer thaa the ballot Bashan roars the great teqaisitor, He ai rikes the table a lerritic bow, aud insists he shail have that sealp, or rather that auewer, or more cod Will epi. The witnes® teams back tn bis tT, while the iawjers storm ana inme and fill ihe ifouse With the echoes of their angry con- i ntion Then the great inameitor quotes that arkabie jeite Jom spendiog my last Yun- fey; 1 om enemge omy word file,” end Moist eyes are involantarily tarned on wit a8 if they cou the very seeing there that words here given, le th init pow! be tn Wright epring day’ fs Witverness ful emongh * tures feeds a in the furrowed love long ago Gictated the © hot Weartnes# enough oor Neart any lighter ths bot bie cup of misery ana | How jong will the vul- THE TRTIMONY. Mr. Pullertor commeneed the cro-s-examination OC Mr. Beecher by going at once to the interview Mr. Mou ton'’s house on the night of tee COth of December, #76. Mr. Beecher said taat when le Weat to the house Mr, Mowiton locked the door, eyRaNGe To THe Lawyer. Fullerton (honght it strange that Prank Movt/on quld loek the hall door and put’t y in his pocnet alert Becete? hat entered his house + meet Tifton. her saw nothing stran, Me remembered gentlemen, nov alone locking the door and portfog away tbe Key «@ » Visitor entered, bat also putting on The aversge mind of the audience not share ii bul orton’s surprize. SME RVIDENCH. ‘ Mr. Beecher went on to say;—He then went o 18; did not know where Mr. Moulton went; | did not see any member of his (Mr. Moulton’s) Jawily; be wieved Moulton to be present, ac he | thought .t Wess business interview, and he | witmese; iliton charged bim With soliciti a | (ion to become a wie ty Aye, he seid ib Wee eg | | Moulton’s hoase on December 30, 1870; but taere is * might happeu. , On the evening of , this (hing amicaliy setiies; that if | was NEW YORK HERALD, THURSDAY, APRIL 15, 1875.-QUADRUPLE SHEET. dream; Elizabeth could not have told suoh an un- bh he supposed that he was a vei bat him (M: je could 7 ere a charges, and he was Perplexed 6: at first supoosed that was Jealous, but when he told him to go hot and see Elizabe: then saw that he must n left the house perplexed; above remark; the char made were fal Tilton did not say whal hy wanced of him beyond telling him that bis wife haa made the charge against him; be did not ask Moulton that mightif be had seen Kltzabeth's con- fession: when Moulton refused to tell him what | Mr. Tilton Wanted him tor he did not further press 1m. THE OLD STORY RATOLD. ‘The witness tells for the second time his visit to | a difference. He told it on the first occasion tn | his own way, without let or hindrance, 1t was e | fluent, connected narrative. Now it ts all dis- jointed, and new lights break in on it at unex- pected moments, The witness is collected and resigned this morning. He attempis no em- beliishments, no fuln of reply. He drops his answers half mechanically, 43 of one whose thougits are far away. He is mon- osyllabie aud sad. Gush and impetuosity nave lefs him and he is as dry as the rind of an old orange. The voice sounds in the ear as of one who has discovered the prophet's truth, “Vanitas vanitatum.” It 18 resigned and sadness ts its leading quality. The tone of him who sang in Greece, «The worm, the canker and the grief are | mine alone,” could not have been more sad. Mr. Beecher coutinued to say:—He did not ask Mr. Moulton to go to Mrs, Tilton’s house with bim; he found Mra, Tilton im bed in ber room: it was | ubout nive o'clock at night; he was not surprised | to tind her im bed; he bade her good evening, and sbe did not reply; im geveral he said he had jus come irom an interview with her husvand, and that he hed@ been making Charges against bim; it was not until he bad begun to say to her, “He | charged me with alienating your affections irom | him,” that she showed respousiveners at ali; she raised her eyes deprecating.y; sue subsequently Mr. Beecher then repeated is direct testimony on this tuterview, how he t.ld her what Tiiton nad rged, a finally asked her, “Is it true, beth, that you Lave made these charges! vowed her head, Le said, aud tears came to her eyes; he then and said :—‘E such a toingr wherem have l sought to a ienate your affections!” The manner of the witness be- came pathetic, and be described her manner when in a low, sad Voice she said:—"l could not Leip it; L was wearied ont with his importunity.”’ FCULLERTON’S ERROR. Fullerton did not come off too well in pushiug | Beecher on the trivial points involved in his visic to Moulton’s house on the 20th of December, i870, After Beecher had said he inquired of Moulton what purpose it was for which Tilton wanted him, | an Moniton roplied “You bad betser walt till he tells you himself,” Fullerton asked why he did not push the inquiry. ‘1 never,” replied Beecher, with loity dignity, “press a gentieman to tell what he ts disinclined to reveal." | ‘Now, Mr. Beecher, wil you answer my ques- tion f’ the counsei would say, in @ tone aud man- ner that conveyed the impression the witness sought to evade tie question, Q. When you left Mr. Tilton to go to see Eliza- beth, you Were under the impression be might believe the charge? A. Thatif his wife had made such @ statement to him, he might believe that charge. (. She told you so, didn'’tshe? A. Yes, sir. 4 Did you belteve ner’ A. I didn’t know what to belwve; a Woman that had made the charge and taken it back both lay before me and I dido’t know what to beheye. Q. She was ‘ll, waso’tshe? A. She was ill. Q Didn't she tell you that Mr. Tilton bad ob- tained the atening of that paper which she was giving to you? A. She said she had given tt as the result o! persistent persuasiuns; ane oad given ti, and thatit was not trac, and she thea retracted it. q. Yes, sir? A. And iay before me as a per- son capable of saying first oue thing and then anotner.. Q Aud you didn’t regard, then, the importunity to which she Nad heen subjected as an excuse for ving this paper, aithongn untrue + A. lf—no~ir r. Tiiton bad reason to suppose that there was something Wrong, | mignt object to the mode of importunity, but he hada right to question bis wile tili he arcertamed What the charges were. Q. Then you stili thonght he believed tp the charge? A. I did not talnk Mr. Tilton's sfate of mind and hisspectal belief ta that and this and the | other question came juto my mind at all. | q. You had no desire to vindicate yourself, 80 far ag he Was Concerned? A. Noi thei Q. Nor the next dav? A. 1 cannot say what thougtts passed through my mind the next cay. Q. You didn't act upon any such desire, did you? A. No, er, [didn’t have any interview with Bim, | Bor seek any. H J understand yoa to say that you expressed | S desire to Mra. Tilton that she should give you w Tetraction tn writing, inasmuch ag the charge had been made in writtug’ A. Yes; I understood sv; 1 wilt pot be periectiy ceriain op (hat point; I an- derstand (hat the charge had been made in writ- Ing, but | was—I wae— } Q fam asking re what yon said to Mrs, Til- | tou? A.biumk | said—I will not be posttive— We ber that a3 a reasen of making it in thatT waving Q@ Didn't yon say 20 & Momentago that you said to Mrs. Tiiton that you wanted the retraction iu writing, masmuch as the charge was in writ- ing? A. 1 suid that tp substance; I correct it new #0 far astosay, while it is my impression I id, | aa 00% positive | used such language. | The story of the visit to Mrs. Tilton and the proetrement of the famous letter of retraction Was toid in pretty muca the same terms a8 on tne | Girect exawication. There was one marked dif. ference. The volce never once teliered, but was Steady and oetural to the end, ess—When f obtained the retraction from hot promise to show it tw ber as Wk Mrs. Viton J did husband; the form of my assurance to ner that 1 Would ouly ase ts in my Own Pell-defen I Gid NOt ask ber wow the paper could be usea to the injury of her busband, because I did not toink it meet Under [he circamsiaaces to go Into a pro- lopged mvestigation With a leeble woman; I did not Dave an hupreswom iv my mind as tothe way in whieh it conid be used to the injury of ber busband ; f hoped it might not become a rumor—a #ubdject o| mquiry amoug ny people: I got It to use lor that uurpome, if the contingency ever should arise, and v bo other purpose: | thought the contingency A letter ¢ the “Midnight Levter” was bere handed to (ne witness, aud he 2 he first beard or learned of its exi replied teat he could not ~ inal @ hie was in existence; he ku Mer ip ¢Xi-tence, bat be did no the ietter now shown him. Tuts Was at fis (Mr. Beecher’s) house, and alerview ok place M Moulton came [¢ and! 4 irean 2 he said he was the bearer irom Mrs. Tiiton; he then said he wonid read the lester, which he aid; tne letter purported to ve irom Mrs. Tiltoo, reciting, as alleved, or seating that on bis return home the evening belure he bad learned his Wile the nature of my toterview and its With her; [think that tue letter or seme parts of it was then read; neither of t 1 pers into my h after etter, ne thoughs my tase netther discreet nor ie 5 no 0 Gown anu Ovtalp if t bad in view #8 my @ conciliation, tt Would wot auc mivary efiect; I b been taken of iter purp heen written the letior ree qu that the fhoulad be sent back; it Was In this connection that ne | esd @ rerract obtained under each circumstances Was a0 act of meanness, and Gishonorabie Vo it was retained, especially deracall for its the r ba retraction anc e1kier burn tem In your prese orl wil derend (hem: tker can go together concluded to jet, Bim have the ri ‘ton; he said je Wasa (riendiy to us buth; that he desired to see amen rely upon ft I sbonid na I thea hended him red; Lam onaer part Of it, was he (0 reason | might his (riendstlp and Kiud offices the rerracton, atter whiew he re the Impre-tion that thie Icter, or read to me, but I canuut agirm it, Stlemee feii om che ¢ as counsel provecded to read the remarkable jetter of Mra, Tilton im whiet she tells her husband has she guve Beecher a letter whieh he dictated toher inorder that he Migot defend bime*lf ina cownell of ministers Agatnet all accusers but her husband. | Agim the singular chsracter of tus singular Woman obirades itself on the general attention. She conlesses and retracts, and ske goes still fur ther aod explsins her retraction, to the manifest injary of him to whom she granted the retraction, | Nr. Faerion read ag follows from the letter: Deckwrur %, 1670-—Mtid | My Daaz Rosesnvat doure to leave hi toe” | going Wo sleep Mr. Henry War | te called upon me this evening; asked me if! would him im any accusation in a council of ministers, | 4. Did you ask her any not. a question as that? read avain, A. i did Mr. “ana 1 repli | further anxieties. Afectionately, | not | Diaintaimed “my right of havi | that pistol ace: r' “1 im readt r Wi my own, to used by him against any other accuser except my busoand.” Q. Was ? A. No, sir; | only promis to use it among My Own friends, in case ‘he charge Was repeated to tl . “This letter was designed to vindicate Mr. Beecher eguinst ali other persons save only your- sell.” Did you use that language to her? A. No, alr, | ‘fhe letter went on to say:— Twas ready to give him this letter, because he said with in that my letter in your havds, addressed to Ristisetuineas: Vou and t both are mladacd’ te de at best to avold publicity. God grant & speedy a 1) Q, Was that letter read to you that night, or was its conteuts made kuown to your A, I have an impression that some parts of it were, bat | can- aid or not expect @ cail from Mr, Moulton that evening; we went upstairs to my bedroom; we closed the door; we went to my beuroom becanse it Was the most convenient room to go to; I ojten took visitors there; I usuaily took them into the parlor; I did not take Mr, Mouiton into the parlor vecause 1t Would be more convenient to nave the interview in the bedroom, as I wished it to be pri- vate; I do not kuow thas I had any intima. tion at all shat Mr. Moulton was com- ing; I discussed with him the matter regarding my having obtained the retraction, and such a shield ) against the charge; I tnougue would jay the foundation of a proper cefence; my object was to have peace; one would naturally expect reconciliution through peace; Laon’t un- dertake to say that | then soought | peace throt reconcillation; Mr. Tilton was to be reconciied te me; If there Was to be reconcilia- | tion, tt was to be on hoth sides; in order to get a reconciliation I gave up the retraction; through Mr. Moulton [ expected to have a better under. | standing and reconciliation; 1 do not think Mr, Tilton had just cause of anger against me for my retaining the retraction; we were to be reconciled through the kindly oiices of Mr. Moul- ton bringing us together and making mutual ex- planations; I gave up the retraction in the belief That that would betcer pring about the reconcitia- tion; | knew the charge was false; I did not know that Mr, Tilton knew it was faise; there were seVoral wars Of reconciliation ; and 1 thoughe ibe other the better way—to give up the whole cause 01 difficulty, 80 that there should be no need of defence, At this stage of the case the Court took the usaal recess until two o’clock, . AFTER RECESS, The crowd flocks back eagerly to the feast of seaudal, Notaseatis vacant. Eveiybody is up to time, and the struggle for reputation is re- newed without unnecessary delay, Her head pro- jected jorward and resting oa her band, her eyes bent on her husband with intensity of interest, fear, hope aud anxiety pictured insher faee, Mrs, Beecher forgot all around her 1a the deep concern that filled ber mind for the baited man in tne wit- ness chair, Q. Alter you got the retraction from Mra. Tilton did you show Li to aay Ove belore you deuvered Lt to Mr. Moulton? A. No. Q. Did you talk to any person on the subject of the charge against you before visiting Mr. Moul- ton’s on the Sist ol December? A. No. qQ. Lwill call your atteation to an incident that occurred at the interview wnen the Coe hey was venup, Lread, “After some turther litile par- ey Lwent to the drawer of the table where the lecter was and brought tt out and handed it to bI he had been sweating and had his overcoat On; about tals time, as I Came back Witao the letver, he took off bis overcoat and in doing so 1 saw the bill ol a pistol in hts pocket, waich he arew out ana laid upon toe bureau and be put his overcoat on the toot of the bed" —is that a correct staie- mont of (hat partol the interview ? A. Not abso- lutely—that is, according to mny first impression of it—rhougw 1 am not positive of it. Q. That ts as son recollect it now? A, As lnow recoil it, that is about the order of it, Q, Did you see the pistol on that occasion’ A. 1 | Saw the tilt first, then alterward, When ue drew + out aud laid tt on the bureau, saw it, 4. He made no allusion to took bout? A, No. Q. He made no threat? A. No, sir; no threat. Q. Nor make any gesture mtimating tuat ne Was going w use it? A. No. Q And you did not think he took it out for the porpose 0: t.timidating yout A. No, 1 did not taink 50, q You did not think it then and think 1t now? A. 1 think now that tmuk so thea. ‘ou don't did not Q, Woet do you think about its nowf A. About intimidating me ? QyY A. Ltoink now as 1 thougnt then, Q id not regard the presentation of the pistol to your view 1D auy hostle light on ais part? A NO Q. 1 will call your attention to your statement with Tegard to tle pistol sceng. le made no ver- bal threats, but With some emphatic remarks he snowed the pistol, waich be alterward laid on tae bureau, and alter a Jew moments more talk te left.” Did you not tend trom that to bave it in- ferred tnat he presented tue pistoi Jor the purpose of intimidation’ A. Lmtended to express exactly what occurred at the time or ti a Q. Did you not intend to making that siatemont to lave it mferred that the pistol was taken out by Moulton tor tee purpose of influeacing your action in regard to tue retraction?’ A. I don’t re- casl that I did, Q Do you recoliect ma\ing this statement with regard to tuat scene je Was under great ex- citement, he mace fo verbal threats but opened bis Overcvat and With some emphatic remaras took out his pistoly’” A. J dou’t remember mak- ing that statement; if itis there I suppose I did. id not ferred that ihe pistol bad anything to do witi reta.ning of tue retraction? A, 1 don’t remem- ber that | did. Q Why did yo deem it necessary to introduce A. In order that I might give the pietare of t ene—of the interview a8 Dear as | could, as it rose in my memory. Q lL understand you uow to say that the pistol Was not exibited till alter you had agreed to give up the paper—till after you had got it irom the private drawer or desk—and was im the act of showingit? A. fy impression ta that when I made that statement had now got the order of events aright. Q. This was on a Satarday night? A, Yes, q. Was there an arrangement made thea that ou Were Co mect Moulton the joliowimg day? A, es. y. Weil, €o you reo there on the Istr A. Yes, about three o'clock. Q Where did the interview take place? A. In wy stndy, third floor, back room, & Was any cne put yourselves present atit? A, No one. { that interview? What yras said and done A. Weil, | shall be obliged to say as | eaid oefore; in many respects the orver of conversation I caa- posafirm; | have a general senee of the order of topics which | Will give you as well as I can; the subdsiance of the case uf of the conversation, con- tinuousiy i you Wise, or I shall jollow your ques- ! tions. Q. Tell o# how tac conversation opened? A. As— nearly as [ can recollect, alter the usual courte- siew—or # few Words—Mr, Moulton spoke to me of the Wisdo.a Of bis suggesiton of the night before, wach nad boen shown by the Way iu which Mr. Tuton received the account irom him, also the retraction—tne account of the retrace tion; | thing that opened it, and it passea on, ees 61 can’t recoliect i Mr. Tilton’s position; the very great reason be bad for excitement and severity even, aad that be Was suffering unjustiy allrowod; Wat was the impression I nad at she opening, and that naturally led us to talk of Mr, Bowen end ais relation to Mr. Bowen, and then y rd tothe business matter, and (hat led him again to t Giseuseion by me of the luterview with M1, Bow on the 26m, if that Was tee date, of whien he wai very particular; he wanted the interview in de- fail, and I under'ook to give it to him, and he then said that Bowen had piased traitor to both that he Was myenemy and that be was nemy, aoa that had been misied and [ done a very g eat hela | to Mr. Tilton, a especially iG receiving Irom Mr. Bowen any tales or stories Tespecting Mr. liitou’s moral character; he tola me that he ti eu lis schoolmate; that be had known bim f iidnood, therefore he spoke wita very positiveness and effective. nese avout tual; Mentioned, | think, that there i beea a discontinnsnce for a short time be- ¢ of their changed business relations, but it Go been resumed. and lie sa red me tl neither ing to immaculate chastity Was Mr. Siton saojecs to | w stories toat Had been told of hi that tou, Mm the present circomstances, when en Atricken Of irom his profess that Jet a stain on his reputati ¥ witngnt otcupation, without ane of Subsist- ence, and who also found $ distress in his noasehoid, hot the relief which @ man mi 3} in tim of disaster, expect in his family went ito me special state. ment in regard to the persons whose names had been ment j, he told me he had personal ne knowledge of the faisity of some of these stories; I will not say personal knowlegge, but of nis own felt, Knew that (ey were faise; well, this oc- cupation ran through, [ should think, in various forms, #n hour, and I became convinced, it I bad notaiready been, that I had joined hands— 1 art oF what took piace? A. Tilton; Leimitved that | had some reason for be- Neving them, becagse I had received such an ac- count ‘rom Bessie Turner aod irom Mrs. Morse; he answered me the stories were false, & Were you accounting for the advice you gave oncerning the separation? A {cannot say avout fnat; Ta ving @ harrative of what took, place, andl recollect, he spoke to me about the w tacuted inyaolt bh aclount of Waal. ‘bad been tod Bessie | Mra, M jer great excitement by Mra, M & Yow on thatdar iat arieve Y positively; Lao not remember whether [ | the retraction — would get — ir, Distol when he liect what time he arrived | believed those stories of Mr. | ra had done toward Mr. Tiltont A. I should bink I did. Dia you explain that to him? A. I did;1 actin know that 1 explaimed it; I poured It over him; | gave an explanation, not so much by an analysis and bill of items and statements, as the conversation went on and | became more and more free to speak and let my feelings out. Q. That ls, that the information which you got | from Bessie Turner you used to the prejudice of Tilton? A, That 1 had lent my ear to it and had | advised Bowen with regard to it; that I believed he was a tainted man and thas it would not be practicable tor Bowen to keep him on the Jndepen- nt, ANG probably not on the Brooklyn Union. Q, Didn’t you advise him in regard to the Inde- in reference to the articles which be haa written and which you knew o!? A. i don’t recol- lect now as regards tuat. Y. Did not you advise Bowen with relerence to the continuation of Tilton’s services on the Brooklyn Union in view of the idiosyncrasies and peculiarl- ties of Mr, Tilton which you made personal ob- servations of in the year prior to that iuterview— with regard to the continnance of Tilton on the Brooklyn Union? A, Yes, in the light of bis pe- cullarities, not of doctrinal statements or of socialist statements, bur in the light of my expe- | rience of him a3 @ Manager, and especially as a co-operative worker in & party or in 4 cause, Q, Did dir, Moulton convince you on the Ist of June, notwithstanding your own observations and expellence of Mr. ‘tilton, that he was a fit editor for the Brooklyn Union? A. He convinced me in 60 far as the reasons Were moral. What moral reasons were there of your knowledge that induced you to advise Bowen that he was not & man he should continue on the Union? A, That he wasa tainted man in bis | moral charactor; that was partly tue reason; tue conversation related to botn papers, Q. Did he convince you that Bessie Turner's stories were false? A. I was satisfied that she had made @ inistake, Q Did he convince you that Bessie Turner's stories were untrue? A, Yes; 1 felt that she was deceived, Q. You thought she might have been deceived in her story of Tilton carrying ber 1n bis arms irom her own room to his room? A. Yes, in the | Construction she put upon it, @ Was deceived in that expression . Laat shi that tne love he alluded to was as ing or caressing? A, I was satisfied she bad mis- apprehended him. » Altogether misapprel ahim? A. Yes. Were you satisfied froin Moulton’srepresenta- uoh that no such thing had occurred? A, I don’t think I went to that extent; 1 was satisfied that there was some foundation in fact for it not dented by Moulton. Q. How could Moulton have convinced you of | this thing whoa he koew nothing o! it himself? | A. From his own kuowie a . But he was not present? A, No. What argament did Moulton use’that to convince you the stories were false? A. He ad- misted that someching of that kind might Lave bappened about Bessie Turner—some improper — famitiiarity ; that there was nothing tn it, had it not been jor Mrs. Morse; that she had given a motive for it and had made Bessie Turner (hink worss of it than if she had been left to herself and the matter left to her own construction, ). Did ne tell you he knew that? A. No. . Did you not ask him? A. | did uot. . Were you not anxious to find out tne basis of atural ag kiss- | | used apon that occasion, his judgment? A. I was not, | . Ana tueresore asked no questions? A. No. H (ce & Did he convince you that Tilton had not abused his wile a8 represented by Mrs. Viton and Mra, ‘forse? A. AS-regards that 1 have @ distinct reoullection that be said Tilton was a man of genius, something like twat; be alladed to his moods and peculiar mental constitution, that ho Was @ hasty mau, thatin ois moods be might do improper things, but that there never was a more tenaer-hearied m: he as- severated in the most emphatic ana unmistakable terms that he was in tis home an excellent, kind | husvgnd and father. ad you believed all that? A. Yea, . Did You nos say anything in vindication of yoursell 10 Moulton on this occasion—that you nad been sent for by Til'on’s wife aud her morner, and tell him of toe terrible stories you nad heard from them? A. l don’t recollect doing so, Q. Did you say a word to Moulton denying the charges brought against you of improper ad- vances t A. 1 denied it. Q In what language did you deny it? A.1 don't know, Q. Cau you tell what brought iorth the denial? A. The general conversation took that drilt. Q You told him the cnarge was false? A. Yes, Q. Was the term improper advances asedt A. I don’: recollect that that phrase Was used. . Was tee term imp. oper solicitations wi or some Kindted term? A. The subject of improper conduct toward Sirs. Tilton was talked about, but im what porase [ cannot say; tae subject was talked about between us—cniefly by tin. Q. Under what circumstanees was anything put in writing that day’ A. He said at the close of the interview—ne remarking the strength of my feelings 01 survow and regrot—that if Theodore could see woul he saw and b i be knew Bw Lfeit, be wa remove bis enmity toward me; and he said to me, “Why don’t you write tris to Tiiton? It will oring ail the miscliel to an eud; ue thinks you are nis enemy au¢ injuring him then i declined to ao this; he urged ine again that it would be @ Very Saltsiuctory suing if he could make representation vo Theodore of my reai ats- position, and floally {said to him, “Well, make a Memorancum of it yourself,” aud ook the pen god sat down and commenced making o memo- randum; | walked to ang fro, and occusionaliy he would stop and make me re, sometning I had said, asking me, With some empuasis, if would chock myseil tor a mo- oy over in Shought the points in our prec concerning my lecliogs toward son, Q Did you state to him taat you gave bim the memorandum in confidence and trust? A. No, sir. Did Moulton write those words of his own vo- ition, ‘ia trust wit F. D, Mouitont’ A. 1 know potning about that, Q Dia you hot want him to report your feelings and sentiments on that occasion in your own : language? A. No; 1 saouid have nad no objecti n if he could have ased them, but Il dia pot expect he would alvempt it, except here and there some nrase. & Q Woy did you nut examine the paper to see if 4 had reported you Weil or ul? A, Lrelied upon mn Q Did you not fear he might have said some- thing you Would not be willing to father? A. i dia nol; lie Was to have reported my words iu sub- | stance, and | trusted him as aman of discretion, Who would make a fair report, with such specifica- tions as might appear proper to him. clotued that report—with the salutation, “My dear iriend Moulcon?” A. [ was. Q. Did you Make any expression of this Kind— “taat yoo bumbied yourself oeiore Theodore Til- ton asyou would bumbie yoursel! before God A. [used @ general statement of the kind, that ibad for my error and wrong humbled myself | beiore God and | would Dot be ashamed to humole myself veture Theodore Tilton. with Was immoral conduct with his wifet A. I don't recollect that Cam? into conversation; dar- tng the couversation | was inclined to think that i fad done great injustice to Tiiton. Q What was your opinion as to the chorge that was mad im good or lauh? A, My conclusion Tliton bad on to make that charge— acted wrong toward Q18 nouselo! ces? A. In improper ad- Q. In improper ad Vauces. Q improper solicitations? A. Improper solici- , tations. Q. ow did you think he came to that concla- sion? A. From his wile’s writte ement. Q You didn’t tarnk tn: was coerced Srom her? A. | don't know what you mean by the Word “coerce”—coerce means in a violent Q Did you believe tt was obrained —— im- wh 8 Weary of importunit, mi A. Load no doubt be and sick, ahd by persistent ingatr, And you tnougat that sbe had toid a falsehood | to Mr, Luton about it, did Q And you remained Oo! that opinion througnout ail the day—New Year's Day—wh 1 being prepared, did your A. time ‘hat tuat Was lo preparati Q. Th goud faicn tn a King his cha: you’ A. I supposed ne had deen the Wrouger of his iamily. Yes. Then I will ak you again, Mr, Boecher, nm you came to that conciesion that Mrs. Tilton told # faisehood abous 1 Was acting in gvod faith im making the chirge | agalost you, Why you Gidn’t hasten to vindicate ) Yourself vo bim by telling him it was untrue? Mr. Evaris—feiling whot Mr. Fullert Mr. Tilton. The Witness—i thouzht I was doing it, sir. @ By this letter of January i? A. by Mr. Moul- ton. Q Ky Mr. Moulton? A, By Mr. Moulton, @ Ih what way? A. This wuole interview was @ Vinuication aud tioh, and was to be it was excited, and Whose interviews with me would not bé@ likely to 1p all respects. ithis to you, ong wh against you, did ason to think J bad | & = > 2 $ 5 od I want you to there is any ex- ainsi you wesw ‘onK, you ple = er you please, fierton then read the celebrated letter of y in which Mr. Beecher humbiecs himself belere fheodure filton as vetor Goda, . Where do you find there ation or aaseveration of your part ¢ ity of the ofeace of which you stood cuarged ? That is no. my docoment, Q Lunderstood you to say, however, that you had’s conversation with Mr. Moulton in which you expressed to a very consideravie extent tue sen- timents In this letter? A. I said the sentiments in that letcer were pattof my conversation, but 1 didn’t sciect the sentiments that he was to re- J You don’t think the injury you were charged | | better man, in my circumstances, than | ba way. ; _Q Well, how did you say it? Q You were ignorant of the form io which he } | to your | what be should represent to Mr. Tilton, out these | | Were notes of bis production, } out Knowing what yoa gave him? A I gave him ainst you—did you think it was made | fas wl ou? A, icertainiy did. | nD. you supposed that Niton was acting in | a | the pomnts—t port. Q Now, toen, will you tell us, if you please, What it was you said to Mr. Moulton at the time this leiter was written exculpatory of yourself and vindicating yourself against the charge that bas been made against you? A, Nothing at the time - Jetber Was written, taat I remember, Q. Belove thé letter was written what did you y? A. In the course of the conversation I de- d the trnino: Mr. Tilton’s impression that I done wrong to ais household intentionally, Q. na improper soltcita\ions? A,I denied tl arge saat lad been brongnt against | "@ Did you ask Bim to conver aay message to Mr. Tilton ’ that t | futon upon that subject? A. I did not Q In dictating the points or the heads of what you wanted him to say to Mr, Tilton did you dio- tate anything excul of yourself? A. 1 dictates polos, not # word, nor indicated im to write. | him to write something, didn’t , I dia not, Q You kuow he did write something? A. It Was his volition and nis own choice. You kuew be was writing something to be | used with Mr. Tilton? A. I knew he was making | @ memorandum for bis own use, With Mr, Tilton ? A. With Mr, Tilton, Q. For the pore of conveying to Mr. Tilton eae Reallage His impression of tne interview | 1 5 4. Why didn’t you convey to him through the | same channel some vindicationr A. How did 1 know but it was there ? . Where? A. In that channel, , Ubave asked you to tell me 10 the conversa. tion with Mr. Moulton wuat you stated to him vin- | dicatory of yourself? A, And I have told you that | Lexpressed to him my conviction that 1 had not | intentionally wrorged Mr. ‘Tilton. Q. Did you charge him with anrthing to say to Mr. Tilton upon tbat sudject? A. 1 did not, Q why nol? A, Because it did not come in my ‘way to do 80, Q You were not ANXIOUS THEN TO VINDICATE YOURSELF ? A. That does not lollow, Q. Well why did you not send some message to Mr, Tiltoa, that this charge, althouga he believed ittobe true, was untrae? A. The whole tnter- view would obliterate that 11 it were faithfully represented, and Mr. Tiitom Was not in coatro- versy , direcily; Mr, Moulton, as the common friend of the two, Was peacemaker between us, | and lexpressed myseif to him that he mignt go | and express himself as he thought wisest to Mr. | Tilton. You expressed your sorrow for what you | had done? . 1 Q Bus you didn’t send any special message to bin 40 vindleate yourselir “A. I don’t recollect | thas 5 Q Didn’t you rogard that asimportant? A. It | seems not, Q. Don't you remember whether you did or nos atthat time? A. Lhave no recollection of it, sir. | Q. Then the grievous charge that was brought | against you was jost sight of in the gricf lor what | you wad done against him? A, I can’t say that it was. Q. Now, in that conversation with Moulton on that day, was the term ‘improper relations,” or | “improper advances,” or “solicitations” used? A. | lcannot recall that the words, those phrases, were eli, you regarded that as a most serious charge against you, dicn’t you? A, Tae substance of the charge Wwas—— Q. Didn't you regard that us a most serious charge? A, Whether the substance of that was—— Q. Didn't you regard that as the most serious — part of the charge against you? A, “Improper | Bolisttasianst” certainly; tuat was the most serious | Dar’ And yet you didn’t single it out and vindl- cate yourself against it by sending apy message | mt A. didn’t send any message to understood that Mr. Moulton was my Q. message did you give in regard to the chal ae against you? A. No mes: whatever, ‘ell, then, he was Not the messenger for that purpose? A. was himself a messenger in his living, peacetui feeling toward both; bis sympathy with both and bis determination to so expluin as | Januaryl?t A. thas both snould be reconciled, Q Lalli your attention now, Mr. Beecher, still furtuer, to this document :—‘‘He would have been a anything to toat effect? A, 1 did not say that sentence, if L recollect, sir, but t | id something which can well understand mighs have beea put down for short in that sen- tence. yenrtning that conveyed that sen- Q. Did you sa timent? “A, 1d Q Lread another sentence: —‘I can ask noth ing except that ne would remember all the other hearts that would acne.” Did you say econ | that conveyet that ideat A. Not in that bol Did you say that | in Substance’ A. Not 1 itsapothegmatic form as | it stanas there, ! - Q Did you express that sentiment, whether you clothed it in that languaget 4. I discussed with hiu—- Q Did you express tnat sentiment? A. No; not in that closs way in which you press me lor ao answer. Q Very well. Something akin to it? A, loan’t give you the very iangn ive. Q. Sonetoing akin to it? A. Something tn that neighpornood, sir. Q. Lread again—“l will not plead for mysoif, I even Wish tuatl were dead.” Dtd you express any sucn sentiment as that? A, That does now represeut any sentiment that { expressed. . Did you Say anything in substance like this “that others must live and suffer’! A. [spoke of others hiying and suifering. Q. Then, again, did you say in substance, “I Will dié vetore any ore but myself will be ical Pated * A. No. Q Say anything of that nature? A,I sald ‘Ali my thougots are run- sometuing 10 ihat neighborhood, , Did you say this: wing oul toward my friends aud the poor child lyiug there and praying With ber folded hands?" A. That reminds me of something that 1 said in | reapect to Mrs. Tilton. Q. Something in that character? A. And the | —— Produced upom me by tne interview that on Q. Again, did you say this or anything like it, ‘She is guilty, sinned against, bearing the traus- | gression of anotuer?’ A. No, not as it stands toere; 1 did not. | Q. Did you say anytiing of the same meaning? | A. NO, Dot the Meaning tnat is vhere. Dido’t you intend to convey thatideat A, I did not in any such sense as tt stands the Q But in some other sense? A. IT been.” Did you say | or who it was; I was in conference at own vindication tn the mind of Mr. Tittonr a. f #eut not one line nor one word, that | remember, to Mr. Tilton; if you allow me to go On—— Q. That's an answer to my question, Mr, Beecher. I called your atiention—! understand Yor so say that the first statement by Mr. Moulton was read over (oO youon the 13th of July, 1873—1874—am correct? A. 1 shoughs you expressed a judgment to me, sir; I beg pardon, Q. Well (ulter some delay), I will put it in the shape of an interrogation; am I correct in sup- posing you stated in your direct examination that you read over the first statement oi Mr. Moulton t A. No, sir; I did not read it over, * Q Ur that it Was read to you? A, It was readio my presence. And what did you say when your judgment was asked in regard'to itt A, 1 sald very little, very little; my judgment was not asked tn de- tall about tt. Q. Weil, you gave it in bulk, did you? A.I gave an answer to his inquiry. Q. Well what was tis inquiry? A, Lcannot pnt it exactly; but it was whetner I thought that that was an honorable and proper statement to make; at 18, ft have my mind on the same statement. you have, and | replied that he could judge as weilasl, or that he must determine by his own sense of honor and good judgment, 9. Well, didn’t you say something approbatory, ofity A. Ldon’t think | did, Q. Didn't vou say that down stairs in the Presence of Mrs. Moulton? A, I did not. Q. You made no objection to itt A, Imade no objection to it. r. Fatterton—I will read it, and then ask you some questions with regard to tt, Aller reading Jrom tt he proceeded. Now, Mr. Beecher, when that paper was read | to you, how long had the Bacon letier been pub-; lished? A, [don't Know that that paper was read Lo me, sir. ‘ Q Weil, what is your best judgment on the sub- ject? A. A paper was read to me, ‘ Q. 1 dian’t ask you that, A, But whevner it Was thas paper or part of it I can’t say. ‘ Whatis your best judgment upon the sabe A. My vest judgment is that paper was completed probably alter the substance of > read to me, but that is only a supposition, Q. Weil, | don’t ask you to indulge ia suppost- Mr. Beecher. A. You asked me my best Q. Lasked you your best opinion whether it was Tead to you, A. Parts of sat paper | recollect, but Icannot affirm it was all read, Q Can you affirm tt was not? A. I cannot, Q. What is your best judgient as to whether that 15 the paper read to your A. I can't recall, Whatis your best judgment? A. That part of the paper waa read to me, possibly the whole; but 1 oon’t recall ine whole. Well, when whatever paper it was was read to you, how long had tie Bacon letter been pup. lished? A, I don’ now remember, ns Q. Do you recollect the date of the publication of the Bacon letter? A. No, air; I dou’t recall it. y , it was long prior to this? A. That & can't 8: Q. Well, it was prior to anv statement before the committee? A. Yes, of course, but Il caunot give dutes without refreshing my memory. Mr. Evarts— 26. Q. You read the Bacon letter, didn’t you? A. 1 did not. Q. Anybody read it to you? A. Iheard astate- ment ol its contents? Q. You know it quoted @ part of this letter of I was told it did. Were you told the form in which {t was quoted? A. I was told that tnere w: extract irom toat memorandum of Mr. Moulton in it. Who told you of tt? A, I have forgotten whether it w: ir. Cleveland or Mr. Shearman, ¢ that timo with several gentiemen, but idon’s recall which ones informed me. Q. Did you have @ statement of its contents; of the contents of the Bacon letter? A, Tne drift} or sabstance of it. Who made out that substance? A. I didn’t Did you learn in what | nae thin writing. Q. I thougnt you did, | form this letter of January 1 was quoted in the Bacon letter? A. Only that there was a portion of it. Q. Did you learn the form or a portion of it? A. Not by réaaing tt Did you learn the form of @ portion of it? A. I did not, sir, Q. You knew to what reference was made, did you not, in this first statement of Moulto! in this expresson, “I hold to-night, as I have held |‘ pitherio, the opinioa thas Mr. Beecher should frankly state that he had commitced against Mr. Tiiton for waich it was pe apologize in the language of the lottel art of which has been quoted?’ A. I dou't recollect to have heard that sentence, sir, . Now, Mr. Beecuer, Wuen did you first hear of | wns letter of January 1, 1871? A. You mean aiter it lett— Q. Your hands. A, It never left my hands, Q. Ob, weil, is DOC worth whue biay upon words, A. I know, but YOU CORNBL MB BO MANY TOMES I was afraid of you. Q. Oh, no; you Deed not be afraid, Well, it left our house? A. A!ter that time 1 don’t recall sec- it until L874; taguip until i saw it in this room, Well, on the subject of having left your hands, did you never have itin your handsy A, 1 don’t think | ever did, sir; | had my hands on ti it you will not think Lam trifing; 1 signed it, 0! course, and nad to touch tt, Q. What did you do with it when you signed itt A. 1 let it alone. . Didn't ad it toMr. Moniton when yout hands ieftit? A. Yea. (lauguter,| Q. When did you next see it? A, In the court room when it was present 1m evidence. Q. Woen did you next hear of ity A. I think it was in Decemver, 1872. Q. And irom whom did you hear of ity A. From Mr. Tracy. Q Had be then seen ity A. Tcan’t say. Q. Did he give you what purported to be ita con- tents? A. No, he didn’t recite its contenta; did not recite the substance of it, . Pass irom that, then, to next occasion ba ay Ropar ng Morgrvoness. f hav . | ween you heard of it Irom any other person? A. pray to God that He may pytit ing | Weil, theo, 1 am coulused about that; | don’t her husvand to forgive me?” A. No, & | know that Tcould tell you accurately after that ‘ofing of fhe ! 101 tor- | him in his | Q. Say nothing of toat kind? A. kind in the jore part of that sentence at al May have expressed a desire jor T giveness for any injury I bad do Dousenhold, Q. Weill, what part of it did you say wasn’t s! by you— forgiveness | pave?” A. I 1 pad ber torgiveness, Q ‘Thas was AN INVENTION OF MOULTON’S, A. I can't say about that, sir; this ts ment, Which he can answer for better than Q. Now, Mr. Beecher, when that paper, wa fin- poy ye Ped suy that you dido’treaditt a, I a 5 . Do you say it wasn’t read to you? A. I say | that it was not read to me, Q Well, why didn’t you read it or have it read I didn’t care about it, sir. | Didu’t you care what was init? A. I cared wae it? q But you put your name to it, dida’t you? A. I put my name, not to the truth of the statement, but to the Mct that Thad given him la trust this for conversation with him, q And you gave something in trust to him with- that to signify he had had q conversation with mo and that he would represént to Mr. Titon what | Were the results of that conversation, @. You gave it to him in trust? A. Yes. Q. Well, did you rogard it as bis composition or yours? A. I regarded it as his. q Then you gave his property to him in trust? A. He wanted me to make it my property. | Q@ You gave Mr. Moulton'’s property to Mr. Moulton in trust? A. 1 dida’t regard it as prop- erty. Q. Well, production? A. I qidn’t rezard it in the no ot & production, Q. Well, you gave this, whatever it was, regard- ing it as Mr. Muitoo’s, to Mr. Moulion in trust, | did you? A. Moulton’s to Moulton? | Yes. A. No, . You know what the meaning of the word “im trast,” of course, is, don’t you . £ do. give your property— I can authenticate ith that memorandum in Q Without knowing or caring memorancum lient pointe—of the conversation | that be wanted to use. | ind the saiient pofnts conversation whieh ‘was to be used for your benefit? A. For bota, Q For yourself! A. Por both, herefore min what you jotrusted to him, to be ased in part lor your Own benefit, you dian’t Knew nor care what was in it. Q L understood you to say so now. A. It is mine, consary. A. On the truss 1 tad tnat he q. Bring back to ni wanted to use and Ww! Q. Por yourself as weit A, For both, " c. Q. Jam giad you have it right; ana therefore Was init? A. Oh, can’t say 1 didn’t care wi A. You understood m n when | was speaking ke tne fault, ell, I Witness—' T Q You didn’t then put your name to that paper ; for tne pose of authenticating i? A. i pat to Kyou that question I want you to answer, A. | did not pat my name to that paper | for the sake Of autnenticating the form of its con- tents. Q. You say, “1 bave trusted this to Moulton in bara A. Yes, sir, nana writ . (showing paper). That is your hand writin 1 Seusve? ae Peking 16 is, sir. - Q Have you uny doabt about it? A. Ihave no doabt about it; f toink it is, Q Lwiiiask you again, Mr. Beecher, and give yOu aN opportanity to expiain, if you desire (0, or can, why upon that occasion, im an interview so full of interest to yourself, and im waleh you were ex, ing your regret for what you had done, you didn’r take some step, tarougn ‘THE AGENCY OF THIS MUTUAL FRIEND, ashe b en called, to convey to Mr. Tliton your denial of any improper solicitations or aavances wee his wile’ A, 16 was a part of the inter. LA Q. 1 will now ask you again to to this jury any message that you sent by Mr. Moulton, any word that you spoke upon that sabject, coupled ‘With @ request that it snould be communtoated to Mr. Tilton, Or any other thing that you did for the purpose Of ACCOMMiIshiag ‘bat emd—name’'y, your cause 1s is important. [r when I next heard of it; I beard i, ramored that there was a paper in existencs that was very damaging to me, but idid not Ieara its contents or ita form; the only time that Lever heard of it with any distinctness that | recall was from Moul- ton himself; that was immediately aiter Mr. | Tracy’s visit of which f dave spoken, Q Did ne siow it to your A. No, sir: he sald is Was burned up; that Was @ dar or two alter | pad seen Mr. iracy; in the wi r of 1872, | think; it may have been as cariy as ‘73; 1 don't recall, sir, anything of tt again until | heard there was to be a3 extract from it in a card pi dl to be printed by Mr, Tilton, about June of 1 . Did yousee the extract? A. I did not, Do you know 10 what form or spape it waa? | a. No, sit. |. Pass, then, to the next occasion rou heard of |e ar Theard it ecated whas the substance of it was. Q From whom? A. From Mr. Kinselia, when he came to see me om Monday morning, the 2d of Jane. Q. Did he state the substance of ittoyout A. I | @ou’t know that he stated tho sub-tance, but he stated the dritt of tt, Q Didn't ne give you & copy of it? A. No, sir, bs Did be gave acopy o1 tt? A. Not tuat i know ° . Did he state to you in what form it was written? A. Oh, 00; de didn’t enter mto conver- sation in that fori, Q. Now, Dave you named to me ali you ever Jearned ta regard to that paper op to that tim A. I don’t know that I have. Q. Now, Mr. Beecher, tax your recolleciion, be- ou have omitr wo erived in regard 4 t tate y information you si this letver or memoragdum, any time with ree oye of, L want you how to sta! A. don’s recail it, exce| to me by Mr. Tracy, W should say the next was M Muquired of ms about tt; the next was my brother, award Beecher, who aiso inquired of tt, but gave information; I think the next alter the publication of the Bacon letter [ learned from Mr, Jono Russell Young, of the New York HERALD. Q When wasthat? A. That was in tne sum- mer of 18/4, probably in July, bat | won't be post. uve. Q Dia you learn then ts contentat A, I did ot. << Didn’s you see a copy oficthen? A. I did ot, Weil, bad its contents? it the stat you never up to that time I A. I vad learned irom Mr, what the driit of 1 a Q The ariit, bat not its contents? A. Not ta jet ail. Q Wha aay Mr. Tracy say to you in regard to itr A. Well, [can’. recall the language. Q Dia rotess to yy oe it in the langu: m Whichit was written? A. I don't know th ie dia at itin #9 many words; I know that he made a statement oi it; that I got quite an idea what it wi % Did he tell you that it purported to be a letter of Mr. Moulton’ A. I don’t recall tat, sir, Well, now, Mr, Beecher, if up to that time, i, 1873, you had po iniormation Im rej to shat man that which you have told us, then will you please to account for the lan- na of the letter you wrote on that day to Mr, froultonr At was a8 (ollows:— jONDAY Monwrnc, Jaane 1, 1373, My Dran Prawe:—The whole earth i tranqa! and tho heaven 19 serene as befits bim who has about finished his world tite. Q@ How did you know at thas time it was tn the form of a letver and written ini h Moulton’ Why, it was Very si @ letrer; it might c voy 8 bat lpad preeeel bad my interview with Mr. Tracy ta the December of 1872, and that ietter ‘was written June 1, 1873, BOTARRING THE DEF Q But you have told ns Mr. Tracy did not gira you acopy of it or state form? A. He did ad sd its form, but stated ita sabstance and jnten Q Did he state to you it wasin the form ofa letier written throush Moaitou? A, I don’t re- call the Geseription Which he gave of the paper. Q. In the light of the information which you say you had got of that letter ap to June i, 1873, how did you come to write as jollows he agree- ment was made alter my letter through you was writtea?” A, Very obviously, 1 gave arst—t did Not sit down and make an accuraic wtle to tt, bus an the titie that happened to come to my min The remainder of the time was occupted in hapa toning Mr. Beecher as to is kKuowiedge of the contrith @ document, The Cows ned es recon adjourned wutli eleven ou om NT,