The New York Herald Newspaper, April 3, 1875, Page 4

“TIE BROOKLYN RIDDLE sarees NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY, APRIL 3, 1875.—-iRiPLE SHEET. ask the witness whether ne had heard of the mat | ter trom any otner source than bessie Turner. | r. Beach maxing oo objection the witness said, | nave uot.” Witness—I joined the Hanover street church | in Boston, about 1 Iwas never “instructed” at all; [remember tittie Paul's iuneral; | taink tt was io August, for | came down to conduct the service on account of my Irendship ior the Close of the Thirteenth Week in the Seandal Suit. i MR. BEECHER’S ORDEAL. An Emphatic Denial of the! Plaintiff's Charges. acento HIS RELATIONS WITH MRS. TILTON | ecmeraeaet fhe Excitement and Applause in the Court Room. MOULTON AND THE PISTOL SCENE The Question of Adultery Indig- nantly Repelled. “NEVER, SIR! NEVER!” Yesterday wus the most important and remark- able day in the history of the famous Brookiyo trial. The proceedings of the previous day were | animportant by comparison. A methodical course of examination nad evidently been determined on ‘rom the start. Nothing haphazard, nothing irreg- | ular or outre was attempted, By easy stages the evidence was made to lead up to and cover uli the prominent points advanced by the piatntim. Tne | naturalness of the story was one of its best fea | tures, Mounting over what hitherto appeared to be insuperabie barriers, explaining this point aud | that, turn'ng a world of light on dark places, the witness finally reached, like Coristian, in the “Pil- | grim’s Progress,”’ TRE VALLEY OF DESOLATION. | But on his way occurred an incident that over- | shadowed every other in this extraordinary triat. Ail unexpectedly to the Court ar, Evarts, raisipg 1S Voice above its average pitch, started, like the replicated discharge of a mitrailleuse, a series of questions to the witness. Evarts appeared to wrow, Mpossivie, paler than his natural palor, and | dere were the questions put, one after another, 4 the Dare intermission of a monosyllabic an- sWwert—"Durtog your entire acquaintance with Mere. Tilton, Mr. Beecher, up to this montn in De- evmber, 1870, had there ever been any uodue per- soual familiarity between yourself and her ?”” ever.’ The answer was quick, bold, im- rluus. “Had you,’ promptly continued the counsel, “atapy time, directly or indirectly, solicited tm- proper favors fom her as a Woman?’ Again wae answer ca “Never.” “Had you received imoroper favors from her ?” Jollowed up the examiner, «“Never,’’ responded the witness, ana with the echo of the word burst forth applause from every corner of the chamber. A certain sense of bewil- derment crept over audience, Judge, jury and lawyers, Such a sense as if the wrong man had Leen on trial ail this time, for the witness re- sponded in & manner and with an emphasis that | evideutly carried conviction to the minds of at jeast @ majority of the listeners, Evarts stood pale and silent tor several minutes after the last answet Lad been given. It was ex. eeedingiy artistic. ‘Ybe impression made by the witness was allowed time to settle before the examination was re- | sumed. Then Beecher, rising with the occasion #oproaching the mos: delicate position in the en- ure case, effected THE GREAT TRIUMPH ofthe day. To overcome these extraordinary let- ters and statements, plain confessions of gulit as the world would have them, was thought tobe lunpossioie. | The teat, however, was accompiisted and an- | other burst of applause greeted tne performance. Tie ena was as dramatic and sensational as the beginning. In the same remarkable tone that | euuracterized bis denial of the eharge that he had ever committed adultery with Mrs, Tilton came the indignant repadiation of the Moulton state- ment that he bad sald tue physical expression of his love for Mrs, Tilton was as natural as the feel- — daz Of love itself. There was ¥ NO EFFORT AT DISPLAY on the part of the witness. The mountebankery That some anticipated was never indulged, and It would be crnel to suppose the tears, the broken Voice, the quavering accents were uffected. Mr. Beecher, unfortunately for bimself, has been measured by the standard of the average tan. His manner yesterday as a witness during portions of his evidence was not tamiliar to the ©00i atmosphere of a court of justice. When his voice jell and tears filled bis eyes there were many ready to presume the thing was nothing More than a theatrical display, but those who know the singularly emotional character of the man Dad another and @ more gracious explana- tion. The end of the direct examination will probably | be reacted next Wednesday. PROMINENT PEOPLE PRESENT. {mn the audience were Dr. Eaward Beecher, Catharine L, Beecher, Mrs. Mary F. Perkins, Mrs. Buvice W. Beecner, Henry Barton Beecher, Mrs, Wiliam C. Beecher, Herbert Beecher, Rev. Samuel Scovilie (of Norwich, N. Y.), Mrs. Harriet B. Scovilie, Oliver ©. Builard, Bagene Beecher, son of Dr. Edward Beecher; Captain Samuei Foote, Summer Builerd, nepnew of Mr. Beecner; Mr. and Moses 8. Beach, Mr. H. W. Gage, Mr. J. 1. Howard, Mr. Waliace B. Caid- well, Mr..Jacob Murray, Mr. Warren, Rossiter R. aymoumd, Proiessor Raymond, of Vassar College; Rey. J. Hyatt Smith, Dr. Thomson, Rev. Mr. Cut- ting, Hon. P, Chandler, Dr. Putnam, Mr. ©. Dike Gnd Mrs. Dike, Mrs, Fieid, Dr. Murray, Hugh Carpenter, United States District Attorney renny and Cojonel Jono Bay. Un tbe bench were Jobn Bigelow, Bishop Littie- | joha, Jobo Gojorth, assistant Attorney General Cored States, ex-Jadge Jobo Dikeman, AieXan- der &, Hagner, of Annapolis, Mu. THE ‘EVIDENCE. On taking the stand Mr. Beecher asked to make ® correctiun In his evidence of the day verore. He Waa stated that tne only exception ia his fam- iutumacies outside of the congr AmMuy a9 Weil. —You remember Bessie Turner com- ing \o see you in ee. isto? A. Lao; it was Verore my cail oa Mr or & Will yo@ state the interview between rou auu Miss Turner? A. Allow me to say that in | every interview I shall uarrate | profess to give ony the suoetance, and ti there be an exception I Wii mMeution it; in regard to the visit vi Miss furher—Miss Bessie Turner—she called upon me, I suould think, about tue middie of the forenoon, as lrecali it, «nd said that she was requested, | sie Was Seni, to ask that! would go dowa and | seo Mrs. Tilton at ber mother’s huuse; that she | hod jeit ber busoand ana did not intend to return, and they Wished to see me; | expressed amaze- meut, add she then—pertaps | asked ber, “What is the occasion Of such a siep’” she told ime that she Was Worm out with {il treatment in ner jamoly; (hat Mr. Tilton had been for a long time, <9 Hor persoual knowledge, treating her with wreut severity; she was uot a littie excited—— Y. You wean M turner? A, Miss Turner wi wut a lictie excited in narrating to me some iew ineideuta of treatment she spoke of; when 4 rather eXpressed @ surprise she repited as if interpreting tt !mto a doupt of her, tuat she was hersel! Cognizant of lis Violence; | think she told we hat he had struek ner, but she certainly toid me twat he (ad on tWo occasions sought her ia her OWN ved Or Io Nis, and tat he hud toid her fiat Such @M eXpression of love Was as natural as nissing of Cauressiug; tnat.[ think, 18 the sub- stance of our inierview In 4 jew woras. 4 jad you heard irom any source anytbing of this kind concerniug Mr. Tiitoo and Mies Turner wefore th Vojection veing faised an argument ensued, Wasa did, bVar ts Ody: | 1870? | above all, of Theodore Tilton. shad ue ily Wished bo Tsaw both Mr. ana Mra, Tilton. family ; Q. Now, in the subsequent summer of June, you heard of the birth of the youngest—Ralph. Some- thing has been said I respect to some visits. you reing in the sick chamber. What, Mr. Beecher, 18 your recollection or knowledge on the subject of cn visits? A, L don’t recollect any speciflc very liwely, very probaviy, | made them; | | t recollect any of them or any event; it 13 most likely | saw her. O, Was this sending of the flowers to this family, or to other fumilles, an ordinary occarrence with you during the season of fowers? a. During ail seasons. Q. You kep? up the conservatory ali through the wiprer? A. No, sir; during the sammer I used to bring down busuel baskets of flowers from my grouuds and distrioute them right and lett; in the winter season I uot uuirequentiy bougaot Bowers and sent them to my Irienas. COMING DOWN FO FACTS. Q. Now, something has been sald in the evi- dence Of a Visit you made fo that household while the wet nurse of that new born child was there— Mrs. Carey—ao you remember any visit that you made at that time? A. 1 do not, Q. Did any scene occur between you and Mrs, Tilton in which sue Sat on your knee, or on your lap? A. No, sir, a Did Mrs. Tilton on any such visit at that | period address you as “dear fatner {? A. No, air, Q. Or “father dear?’ A. No, I don’t recoilect— | but I have answered it. Q. In what form of address did Mra, Tilton, on these visits, accost you? A. ‘*Mr, Beecher’ or “my friend"? Q. Was there any other form of addres: be- tween you on her part? A. Not that | recollect, only “sir,” “Mr, Beecher,” ordinarily; iu dis- cussing or talging she irequentiy would turn and | say, “Well, my friend,” and go on with it. Q. Do you remember an occasion of an inter- view between yourseli and mrs. Tilton at which her brother, Mr. Joseph Richards, intervened in any Way?’ A. Do you mean hindered us? Q. No one came upon you in any way that you noticed or remembered? A, No. Sir, I don’t re- member at any time when be was present at any visit of mine there. A METHODICAL EXAMINATION. The progress of the morntng’s testimony slowed method in the prearrangement. One by one the minor points made against the defendant were taken up and answered. The woman Carey was | contradicted point blank, Mrs, Tilton never ad- dressed Mr. Beecher as ‘father;’ “my triend’”’ was the warmest expression of endearment used by Mrs, Tilton. Q. Now, sir, it bas been said that you have been | N seen on the stoop of the house in Livingston | street, between seven and eigut o'clock in toe mo; ning, dy Mr. Brazier passing by in the street? Have you any recoilection of such an occurrence ? A. No, sir; |! have no recollection of a visit] made © when Mr. Brazier Was passing by; be looked at me and I have no douot he saw me, Q. There was nothing in 1t to fasten itselfon — your mind? A. It might have been, bat nothing That | remember. Q. During the period that the Tiltons resided in | the house 174 Livingston street, and up to the year | 1870, with what degree of irequency ure you able to state that you made any visits, either Trom in- Vitation or ordinary calls, at the house’ A. Do I understand you to limit your mquiry irom 1867 to Q. I think from 1866; they went into the house in the fail of 1866, and during their residence at 174 Livingston street, down vo the autumn ot 1870 until you Went inte the country in the summer of | Is7ory A. L shoul. say—speaking of averages—I saw them from once iu teu days to once in three weeks. Q. That ia the average during the time? A. li I Was in town my visits were net more than tuir- | teen times a year, according to the best computa- ton vhat | edn make of them, and that leaves oat my summer Vications, my jecturings, and soon. | Q. Now, during “nese Visits What was the man- ner of tnem, and what were the subjects 0 the conversation In general? A. These are two ques- | tons in one. Q. Well, take two and answer them both? A. I must ask you to explain what you mean by “the manner.” Q. I meanthe manner of you and Mra. Tilton | during the visits, and what were the topics of | conversation’ A. Well, tne manner was very much such as is my manner 1n My own nouse and | with my own famuy; it was very simple, without the slightest formality; they kept an open, hos- | pitable house, and ieit all their friends tue utmost | personal freedom; there was great propriety with as little conventtonaiity as [ever saw in a Jamily, and, thereiore, I feit pertectly free to go in aad out as | chose; tae children were almost always present, and sometimes I went to see them alto- gether; our conversations were usually about the church, literature and other Kindred topics, and, (Laughter.) A PLEASANT PICTURE of Tilton’s home was given. It was a hospitable bome; no conventionality, no restraint; their friends were permitted the utmost ireedom; their taix would be on books, pictures, the church, so- ciety and, “above ail, om Theodore Tilton.’’ | Another debate arose here about tne conversa. tioua, and the Court ruled that the witness could state general facta. MRS, TILTON AND HER DUTY. Mr. Evaris—Now, what passed between Mrs. Tilton and yourseli in any of these interviews * A. I can’t tell you the details; I can only say cnat Consulted me as to her duty toward her nildren, on account of the great defection of her husband from tnose views which are called ortho- dox, and her mind was seriously troubled as to her duty, ana 1 attempted to enlighten her; she asked tor advice about ner children and nome duties; she asked me whetner I thougne It was right for ber to bring up her children anger the influence of u parent who had given up tne divinity of Christ and med to be losing Taith in the Bibie, and I said that 1 thought that on that groani there ougnt to be no dim- culty; that I beleved time and growth and the guidance of Goa would bring things right. Q. During this time can you Ox, Mr. Beecher, the time of tuese consuitations’ A. I can’t nx them with very great definiteness; [ think they Were in that particular vear. 1867. Q. During this long acquaintance with Mrs. Til- ton did you come io have, a8 )ou supposed, an in- timate Knowledge of ner cuaracter, her temper- atent aud her lotelligence’ a. I tuink Ida. q Now what estuma'e did you form concerning ber meutal and moral character’ A. At fi thougnt she Was a woman of great simplicity and purity and of lair jntesigence; as I became better ucquainte’ with ber [admired her domestic traits, aod that which, unul aiter some considerable ac- quaintance i found out Wasa very deep anu un- uswal religious nature, developing itself so oiger- ently irom that whteh we see ordinarily, thacit struck me very much. Q Im what regard did it so strike you—whar form of development? A. Weil, it wi 1 don’t Know as I can tell you exactiy, unless by using the a form; a8 | perceive some reiigious characiers develop themseives in ethical strengih and consciousness In afi duties; some persons velop thewseives im their religious nature more largely in social eothusiasms ana generosities; some persons develop themseives in veneration and awe; now, in hercase, it was so very unusual for me to see a person whose religious character developed itself in tue two ‘orms of ecstatic aevo- tion and serenity and peace, ang trust in God, also io the 1orm of generous, social sympathy and ex- etrement, TILTON’S WIPS. He came to have an !ntimate acquaintance with Mra. ‘lilton, @ Woman of great simplicity and purity. He found iu her @ deep and unusual religious nature, and he proceeded to give an analysis of it. Great attention was given the wit- ness, He drew a vivid aod striking sketch of the Woman that etched itsel! on the minds of his auditors ana betrayed the force of genias. He saw noalenationg jn her ftom ler buspand, As her pastor and friend she entertained affection tor Mr. Beecher. He reciprocated it. He had the utmost affection for ner as @ Christian woman, & model wife and motner. Further than that he entertained no other seutiment for her, » Was Mrs, Tilton, under your observation, generally engaged in veneficeat work * A. loces- suntly. \. Aud were you aware of it ali the while that it was going on? A. Yes, sir; hota visit that she Was 00s talking to me wuout some case she had in hand—some poor man, or some family, or some- thing of tue ciass 0) mariied Women, Which she th perimtemding ia the Bethel, or at some periods of time she Was in that connection with. Q, During the period of your acquaintance did apy aleuation of affection irom her busvand dis- close itself to your A. The contrary. ie very contrary; it Was a matter ol mere gentle ridicule, of excessive aJdiction; the husband was the theme of all Others she seemed to love to talk about. Q Now, during this acquaintance of yours, did you atuil becoue—did you become aware iw any Way irom Mrs. Tilton’s mMunner or couversation With you that ber feelings or affections were es- pecially unimited toward you? A. Yes, sir; [ vmink they were. Q Io Whattorm and Jegr A. As her pas.or NO LOVE BETWEEN THEM. and as her friend. Q Did you observe, or notice, or surmise that gue had aoy other -entimeut toward you than (ne affection of regar yoursel! that you have tnua deserived’ A. Never—not ine slightest (very em- Phaticuiiy) GY. SOW, Mi. Gevcler, during this acquaintance did you oru: seuttiments o regard, esteem and af Jectiou fur wis. von? A. Lifelong seurmments Of uifecton anu respect for her. Q@ im What regard did ‘nis affection torm itsell in your mind ana teeungs’ don’t waders stand you. q In what characrer or fora of adection that Jou have lndicatedethat you=tha: deserived, did you Nave toward her? Upon adectiva Hau bods motley eee wile, sure | A. Ido. lovely famiiy; 1 ielt proud of her confidence and affection, « Q Had you any sentiments of affection or love toward her as 4 Woman, otherwise than in this connection? A, No. sir. Q. ‘LWo dates, of the 10th aud 17th of Oetobder, 1865, Mr. Beecner, have been especially reierred to; ure Youable to saf whether you were in the erty of Brooklyn on both of those days? a. On one of them lam pretty sure 1 must bave been— namely, on the loth. Q. What occurred on the 9th that you remember | ac fixing any date? A, The Friday night prayer meeupg aud the meeting m the Academy of Music A. to which I went a.ter that. Q. Do you remember seeing Mrs. Tilton at that meeting at the Academy? A. I think it was at that meeting best recoliection—that L saw ber alter q. And did anything” occur between her and yourself then that Ox@ itseifat ali in your mem- ory’ A. IC that is the meeting, she spoke to me about being present at eitaer a dinner or recep- | tion that Was to be given to the Rev. Morley Panshon, tae Enghso Methodist clergyman, who was then living 1p the country, Q. Living in this, or visiting this country? A, I think he was living here for a time, And What Was the suggestion as to taking part In 1h Or attending it? A, It was tne ex, gion, the statement, rhat there was to be asfair, and she wanted to know i! T had been inviied, and hoped that I would goif I was. q. He was known to you, washe’ A, I never — met him exeept to shake hands with him after a public preaching; I think 1t Was in my owacnurch | that he atopped and suook hands with me; but be- pr that l had never met him; | much desired to }0 80, A STERN DENIAL, Q. The 10th and i7tn of Octoner are known to have deen Saturday, of course the 10th was; we have now xed it as Saturday aiter your Friday Jecture; now #8 to your being in town on the 17th? A. Lhave no recollection about it; I presume L was; I was still living at Peekskill, coming down on Fridays avd usuaily remaining over the Sab- bath; 1 Was probably in Brooklyn on the 10th and 17th of October; Saturday js my day jor rambling | to New York usually, or making eXcursions to tne | Park or to the greennouses or Something of that kind; Lalways make 1t a vacation day of the week. | Q. And that period of recreation, that day of | recreation, how was it Soa spent by you? A, | oF I said either in—most cenerally—in New York book | stores, print shops, all up and down the street in maiters of curiosity, and If not that then very ire- quently at the Park or Flushing, or at somewhere where there were greenhouses. } Q. Was Saturday a day in which you made these usual or ordinary calls among yoar circle 1 friends here, or Was it Otherwise? A. Well, as @ general | | thing. not. Q. Now, sir, have you any recollection of seeing ton, either at your own house or at ner h ee, on either of those days? A. 1 don’t remem- er tt. | Q. Did anything occur petween you and ber on eitner of those dates or during part of those weeks that bas impressed itselfon your mind atall? A. Nothing. Q. During your entire acquaintance witn Mrs, Tilton, Mr. Beecaer, up to this month in Decem- ber, 1570, nad there ever been any undue personal familiarity between yourseli and her? A. Never. Q. Had you at any time, directly or tnatrectiy, solicited improper Javors from her as a woman ? A. Never. ‘Q. Had yon received improper favors from A. It was'a thing Impossible for her; never, plause.) IT WAS A TREMENDOUS MOMENT in court when Mr. Beecher, bringing his body for- ward in the chair and sitting bolt upright, answered in a clear, firm, ringing voice, “Never !"? | to the question, “Did you ever have sexual inter- course with Elizabeth R. Tilton?’ Then, after a pause. “Never, sir!” A burst of applause followed and filled the chamber, The Judge, of course, interposed, but it was only in a ball-hearted way. Gladsome glances were exchanged between all the Beecher family and all the Beecher lawyers, | | | Tiiton, Wika tue request that he wouid take it to | Tilton was mimicked to some effect, As Mr. ' door, and Tilton was standing in the second win- — and, in truth, most of the large gathering felt | inspirited alter this avowal, Q. Did you ever, during this period, have carnal intercourse of sexual connection with Mrs. Tilton? A. No, sir: never. Q, Do }ou remember, Mr. Beecher, on or about Cnristmas Day, on the day celeprated as Chrisu mas Day here, tne 25th of December, a call trom Mr, Bowen and the presentation of a letter to you? THE “STEP DOWN AND OUT’? LETTER, Mr. Evarts—expibit No. 4, Mr. Morris. Mr. Morris produced the letter and Mr. Evarts banded to Mr. Beecher the following :— Broogtyn, Dec. 26, 1870. Sin—I demand t sons which you explicitly understand, you immediutely cease trom the ministry of Plymouth chureh, and that you qait the city of Brooklyn as a residence. HBOUORE TILTON. | Q. Did you receive that letter Mr. Beecher? A. 1 received such a letter; I cannot say that this is the very one; 1 received a letter in Mr. Tilton’s hana- writing. Q. This is all in Mr. Tilton’s handwriting? A. Yes, sir; I dou’t Know whether this is a cupy or not. Q. This is understood to be the original? A. If this fs the original I received it; lreceived a letier of tns.purpore. Mr. Beacti—No, this 1s a copy. Mr. Evarts—Weil, it will answer; this 1s the one that Mra, Tilton has spoken of (reading from the minutes) :—Mr, Fullerton asks, in your evidence yesterday you 4 of a letter of Dece: ir 26, z written by Mr. Tilton to Mr. Beecner, a ir. now Hesry Warp Bercar. Bowen carried. Look at that i paper show you, and say whether itis the letter to which you then referred’? A. Yes, sir. Mr. Pullerton—t Ve bed to read if and then he reads it and it is marked Exuibit No, 6; [think that the indorsemeot on the back of it by Mr. Moalton shows that it is the original letter. Mr. Evaris—1 iemember giving Mr. ‘ilton the envelope, showing him it been sealed. Now, Mr. Beecher (showing bin @ letter), woen and by Whom wus this Jeter brought to you? A. By Henry €. Bowen. q. Where were you? A, At my present reat- dence on Brooklyn Heights. Q. What did he say to you when he handed you | that letter? A. said @ letter for me from Theodore iliton; that he was not aware of the contents; that he was coming by, and he was on his Way he would briug it to me; I read It. Q. Woat did you say to Bowen on reading it? A. I suid substantially, “This is SHBER INSANIIY? THIS MAN IS CRAZY,” Q What aia Mr, Bowen say to this? A. He said he did not Know exactly wuat was init, and on that I handed it to nim and he read it; I then made use of some expression wich I cannot re- call—hardly, even, the substance of it; it was an expression of 4 sort Of! 'adignant surprise that Triton should write me such @ lette: r. Bowen proceeded to say that Miton and himself bad had some differences themselves, and without stating | the order of the whole of tue conversation be ‘went on and proceeded to give me an account of his relations with Tilton; im the course of the conversation that jollowed he said that he had dismissed Tilton from editorship of the Independent, of which | w: Ware, aud that he Was irom that time out only @ contribator to that paper; that ve had made his mind on matter, and that it wason account of busine reasons he had dismissed him; toat Tilt n’s views were not acceptable to the readers, and that the | per was saferiog in consequence of that apd was liable to suffer jurther; that, however, ag s00u as he had reduced him to @ subordinate posi- toa on the paper that men after men came to bim with stories affecting Tiiton’s moral character; t clouds, he said, of acca against im; that he had never be 80 MUCH ASTONISHED IN HIS LIFE; that, on making inquiries the charges against bim seemed to grow thicker and thicker; he gave me an account of some of these; he made reierence to, or at least it impression (hat he did, to Tilton and tne Wii case, and referred to unother in the Northwest— the place he mentioned I forget; out he said that eveu in his owa OMice, In reference to a lady wno Was employed there by bim; that this lady to- formed tim that on one occasion, wheu sbe went mto the office where Tliton was, Tilton turned the key in the door and said to ner, now at last the opportunity 0a8 come that I have veen iong want- ing, and jnstautiy he made advances towara her of af improper nature; | toid nim [ was aston. isbed very mucn at all tiis, but not so much as f wou.d pave been 1i | had not pieviously oeen toid the story of Bessie Turner, and ne wanted to know what that was, and | thes narrated in sup- stance woat Bessie Turner toid m e there Was anotoer lady, about whose o connection with Tilton ramor had been pusy ; thi and some other inetdental conversation of the kind 100k place between us; I said to bim, “I wish you would tal< over this matter win my wie, a® she knows more of matters of this kind than | do, and I then al- juded to the interviews she had had with Mrs, ‘Tilton; he expressed 30} feet of repugnhance in mtrodacing the subject to wie ana talking to her about it, thinking my wile would nos like to talk about it; I can’t that there Was an interview, but I hav pression that he weut into the had some conversation with my Wile; in oO the conversation Mr. Bowen said that bi made up bis mind that Tilton could not iy ou the Jndependent in any position, aud that he was in great doubt whether ae could have lim on the Brooklyn Union; lsaia then to Bowen that the independent was dear to me, po matter what y strong im- arlor and had come and gone between us; that it Was the paper with which i haa begun my iife here im brookiyn; I felt warmly towards it, and it was my judgment that @ man tainted as Mr. Tilton Was coud nut be re- any th political paper, oniy (nat I thought that Tilton Was @ Very impracticable man; that he could Dot agree with parties except so a he led them, avd that I thought, as tne leader of the republican organ in Brookiyn he would get ytaing said in that conversation re the pay er Into trouole, Q Was gardiog M Tilton’s separation irom her has. A. [referred to ic; it Was on that point I referred nim to my Whe; Mr. Bowen grew more and ore (rieadiy ia view o1 the attack, or rather Warning to send me vut of town; I was not ready to go tuen, d myseli so to him, and he said he by Me as & irient. Do yon recolect Whut time ofthe day this A. Yea; ic was just beiore a —hot iar reson tl course, | Bowen, the bearer of that letter; he spoke of | “sit down ;"? did son A. Iwill not say he did, bat that was the impres- s10n produced On me that he had just gome from Tiiton; that the letter had been given him py me. «, Between thisinterview terminating thus and the nignt of the 30th of Vecemoer did you or eltber of you seek an interview with Bowenf A, 0. q. Did you have or ask for an interview with Tilton im that connecuon’ A. No, air, | THE GREAT INTERVIEW. (Q Did you see or in any way hear jrom Tilton? Yew, sir, through Frank Moulton, the story of the famous interview between Til- ton, Moulton and Beecher was told with clear- ness and deliberation, The grandiose manner of Beecher proceeded to tell all that Tilton charged him with at tnat interview, tue foundation for the remarkable letter, “I humble myself before | ‘Theodore Tilton as I do betore my Goa,” it wea | easy to understand aman Of Beecher’s strong | emotioual mind conceiving his having done a ter. | rible wrong to Tilton on being told he was instru- | mental in estranging the affections of the wife | from her husband. The evidence on this head | Wus exceedingly interesting. | Q. Now, sir, on the goth December, what oc- | curred? State the Whole matter, now It vegan and by whom? A. On that night, not far | seven o'clock, Mr. Moulton called at my how 1 was shown into the iront parior; | went in alter | | | | | | | him aad the ordinary courtesies pussed; he Opened the conversation by saying that Theodore Tilton was at bis house and desired an interview with me; 1 said to him that it was my prayer meeting night, and that it would be inconvenient for me to go that night, aud he be ton that tt was @ matter of So much importance that he thought [ would do well to pus some ore in my place for the nignt and go with bim; I sent for Mr. George A. Bell to take my place at the prayer meenng; I then went with him down to ls house; when we reached on our way avout the corner of Clinton and Montague streets, 1 said to bim, “What 1s the subject on which She was asone dead, yet she was living; I sat down by her ved, “SHE WAS AS ONE DEAD, YET 8B WAS LIVING.” The voice dropped just here, aud as the witness was proceeding to say that he took a seat by her side, Mr. Beach exclaimed, “One moment.” Mr. Evarts sat down, and for a few moments all of the Plaintiffs lawyers had their heads together in con- suliation. Then Mr, Beach sata, “We object,” and an argument followed. Mr. Beach dia not think the conversation of Mr. Beecher with Mrs. ‘Tilton was admissible, The Conrt—I think we will have to take it, You have the jact proved clearly, though somewhat in- directly—as part Of the trausaction—as part of tae act Of receiving the letter. the Mr. Mr. Beach—Yhe conversation is not part of res geste, According to the testinoay of Beecner what transpired between the parties ‘a ne beh (interposing)—It has some bearing on poln' Mr. Bvarts--It is in evidence that Mr. Tilton Said to Mr. Beecher, “Go see Ritzabeth;” and, in olnt of reference, there 1s au eutire agreement etween the parties. Mr, Beach—-foe circumstances would tend to show that Mr, Beecher was an authorized party to hold this conversation with Mrs, Tilton, but still | there wes not sucl @ relation created by Mr. Til- ton a8 would autnorize the detains of the conver- sation to be given. We will not discuss the ques- tion, however. Under Your Honor’s ruling we | Withdraw tue objection, . TEARS, IDLE TBARS. The objection being witudrawn, Mr. Beecher told his interview with Mra, Tilton when she gave him the retraction. His voice vroke 1n the narra- Hon and tears towed down his cheeks. The weak- ness became contagious, and several of his rela- tives and friends were affected to @ noticeable degree. Mr. Beecher then went on to say:—I said, “#lizapeth, | have just seen your husband, and have hod a long mterview with him; he uas been making many statements and charges, and he has sent me to you to verify some of them’ I Theodore wghes to see me *’ and he sald, “It will elf. | then said, “He has charged me with ‘alienating be better that he should inform you himself,” and | then able. ote Mas ¢ ni; he Dea charged 4 Q. Did anything else pass between you and him be.ore reaching the house? A. here was some jurther couversation, Dut notming that left any | impression on my immu. Q. Was there any lurther conversation during that waik regarding the subject matter upon | which Tilton Svught the interview? A. My im- | pression is there was some allusion made to ‘I1l- ton’s difficulty with Bowen, but | caunot recail any detail of that conversation; I reached sue | house ; he then lived within anout five doors below | St. Ann's church, on Clinton street, | Q. Now, beiore Moulton saw you in your parior | on that evening, to your knowledge? A. | have au impression that he cailed on a first of January. Q. Other than that? A. Not to my knowledge, Q belore you entered his house that nignt were you ever iu his house? A, No, THE INTERVIEW AT MOULTON’S. Q. Teli now what occurea between you and Til- | ton im Moulton’s house ¢ A. We entered the house and immediately Moulton locked the front dour | and put the key in bis pocket, and he said to me, ‘Theodore ts in tne room above the parior | front room waiting for you; | suid to him that | considering it Was LO ve a business discussion, | | would wish that he should be present; 1 said to him, “1! would rather you would go with me,” and Moulton said, “You' had better see Theodore | alone; I then Went up the stairs; he opeued the | | we weut on. iy | | dow ironting Clinton street; there was a vureau between Lhe two windows, with gas lighted; oe Was standing at the side oi the bureau, and wen I | entered he met mein a stately manner; he said, | the door; he drew out irom nis pocket @ ilttle plece of paper, like this In shape and size (witness himself drew outa slip of paper and described by it the paver Tiiton, he said, drew from ws pocket); it Was in shape and size like this; then sitting down Tilton said, “| have summoned you fo this interview on mat- ters of importance” he satd, “1 suppose you re- ceived irom Bowen a letter demand resignation and departure irom Brooklyn; 1 said; be said then, ‘I wish to recall that letter and wish you to consider it as never written; it was @ grand thing to write that letter, but 1% would bave been grander if it never been written ;” he then began (inverrapted)—— | Q t did you respond to that? A. “Of tha bow.” He tuen began to allude to Bowen’s treatment of lim, not yoing into pa:- uculars, but characterizing it (Bowen’s conduct to tim) a8 belng base, very treacuerous: be then charged me with having an upderstai Bowen ch these matiers and with iurthering them—this 18 the substance of what oecurred that I had accepted injurious stories of nim had repeated them again; that I lad advis against him, and mueh more to that purpos whien Icanuot recall in detail; Ltbink tnat at this point | Was aisposed to Make some explaua- tion whea he waved me silence, and I was silent; he then proceeded to say that I bad not only in- | juread him im his business relations und in | his reputation and prospects, but that | bad also insinuated myself tuto bis famtiy; that undertne | color Of Imendstip 1 had wrought him worse mis- | rr | | @ said that 1 pad in a way super- matters of bringing up his cnildren and household looked up to me rather than to him; that! nad | igabech to transier her affections from him to me in an inordinate measure; tuat Im con- sequence of tue difficuities which ba by reason of my conduct his jamuily nad Weil nign been destroye: that I had suffered my wue > and his mother-in-law to couspire jor tue separation ot bia tamiy; that I nad corrupted Elizabeth, teaching her \v lie and to deceive him, aod that when he had married her she was the simplest aud purestof women; but that under my infuence, she was deceitiul and untrust- worthy; he said thatlhad tied the knot in the | sanctaary of God by which they were to be bound logether in inseparable love; thatl nad uatied tbe knot and loosed tnem oue from the Other; Le then Went on to say that not ouly hadi done ts, bat thatI bad made overtures to her of am im- per chi ler; again 1 exp: ed some sur- prise, provabiy, but 1 don’t recvliect suficenty; but he at ouce drew trom his pocket a sheet or paper about that length (witness described the appearance of the paper irom another sheet of paper he ueid In bis il); Be read to me what parporess to be @ statement of his wile, that Mr. echer had SOLICITED HER TO BECOME HIS WIPR for alithe intents and purposes signified by that term—substantiaily Wat; be said tuat she had Made @ statement to him in July, but he said tnat irom love he bore her and a general ieeling of devotion for her he Oad suifered that to go on withous meduling With it, out that recentiy she had renewed not only that statement but also nven a statement in writing similar (oO tuat fe nad just read; that he had, for very shame and pride sake, burned tne ortginai aud that now be would | TEAR UP THE ONLY COPY THERE WAS IN EXISTENCE, | so that there should never be a line against the Treputattun of bis wife—wiih that pe tore it up and wok the fragments in bis uaod and torew tue on the floor—“Now,” sald ue, turning to me, “i wish you to Verily this charge; go to Elizabeth herseil, she is waiting to see you at my noase;” =| THAT LAST DLOW STAGGERED ME; | id to him, “Mr. Tilton, this ts, Indeed, terribie sue never could nave mage any written sta ment so untroe;” ne said, “itis but a jew blocks of, go to her sourseli;” I turned and went out y the door, and waiked down stairs, meeting Mr. mowton ‘he joo; pe said to me, “Are you going to see Mra, Tiltoa 37’ he said, “I will go with you I think ne bad his overcvat already on; it is my impression he bad; he went to the door to let me out; it was jocked feit im bis pocket jor the key: it waan’t there; he turaed aod went back to the clotnes stand, and took from a drawer of a tavie the key, saying, sotto voce, “i don’t Want any interrup- tion ;’ he unlocked the door and we went on our way. q Did you in any manner invite Moulton to go with yon’ A. No; I didn’t Want him, Q bid you in any manner expia nything of and Tilton ? What had Occurred vetween your: belore be asked you i you Were going the A. No, Q. He attended you to the door? Witness—To what door? Q. To Mrs. Tilton? A. He did. | Q. On the way there did anything pass between your A. Yes: Icannot recall it: 1 remember speak- Iog @boUt the storm that was just breaking; the Ting away; it Was @ snow storm; © particular couver: we raid 3, but l Was Lot in @ state of mind to conversation (at did not relate to what | Q. ched the door, what passed between you aad Mr. Moulton with r ot 8 going in? A. { don’t Know that anytaing was Raid abut bia goimg in oF not; he said, “Will you call a a house on your way back’ andl said I would. BEECHER'S INTERVIEW WITH ELIZABETA, Q What happened then? A, ihe door was opened by @ Woman, Who, from ber dress and ap- pearance, | touk to L¢ a housekeeper; void me | to gO Up Co Mrs, Tilton’s room. q. Did you communicate to her or make any inquiry for see! airs. Tilton? A. No, sir; there Was LO occasio! rs. Q. Cun you give any description of this Jady who opened the avor for you—could you idenuly her? A. No, sir; | only :ecoliect her to be @ nice-look- | ‘og Woman, With Kindness jn her face; she was | well dressed; | don’t thiuk she was the nurse. Q. What did she say? A, She ‘vid me to go Tight up staiis—that Mrs, Tilton wanted to sve me in ber room; | weat up, knocked at the door and went in: the door was opened and went in; there are two tront roums to Mr. Tilton’s house, one of which is the receiving room, communicat- Jog With the other by luiding dvors that opened; Mrs. Tilton was in tue room where ber bea was placed; | went junto her room trom the door ia the hall; as L entered the room I saw that the solding u i think they remained open, persons other than yourself meeitner of the rooms, to ;our and Mrs, Tilton knowledge, during the time of your interview with her! A, No, there Was not. @. Deserive the scene as you saw it when you entered ine room’ A. Mra ‘iitou Was dressed and reciining on her bed or pillows; she had aor bands crosset on her breast; tuere was u chair by tae Vedside, andl sat down ob it; her eyes were Hae ae eee tee ae oe eg you observe. iat oe was asleen? a | woot terme vare had he ever been in your house | }y | their looks a sense of baffled expectations, | stand, that [ have ecorruptea your simplicity and truthiuiness; he has also charged me with attempting improprieties with you; it is a hard case ior & man to hear such charges made against nim.” imaudibie, His voice quivered and texrs came Juto bis eyes. A paintul stillness prevatied, and tor & lew ‘seconds murmurs—certainly not of d. approvation—reigned throughout tbe court room.) e continued:—lhere was vhe faintest qoiver in her features, d tears fell down her cheeks; I said to her, “He gays that you, Elizabeth, nave charged me with making improper advances to you; have you stated all these things * have you ade all these chargear’ she opened her and said, “My irend, I couid not it;” “Could not help tt, Elizabeth? Elizabeth, why could not you help it, knowing that tue-e things are nottrve’” “Mr. Beecher,” she replied, 1 was weary, L have been worried with his importunity’” (or something to that effect), “to make me think that tt f would coniess Jove ior you this would make Dim coniess to me his ahen loves,” or sometning of that sort; I satd “You know that these charges are not “Yes, they are not true,” she said, ‘but what can I do?” , “you can take It back again;” she and 1 dia not understand her hesitation; I said to her, “Why can’t you take it back? it 18 not something—that she would be to do it if it could done without injury to her husbavd, whicn I did not understand; but 1 said, “You ougat to give me a written retraction of tuis charge;” she said, | “Give me paper ;’’ sne pointed to a secretary, and took irom it pen, imk ana note paper, brougnc them to the bedside, and she wrote the first part Of the retraction. Q. Look at this paper and say If it 1s the one | theu written’ A, Tuts appears to be the one; [ Suppose 161s. Q. What part did she write? A. Will 1 read it? Counsel—Yes. Mr. Beecher then read the first part of the re- traciioa, The document b: veen already pub- lished several umes. Q During that writing, Mr. Beecher, did you in any manner participate in or suggest any of the | language used? A. I su; sted notning but thas she snuuld make @ recall of the charges made; when she had written so far she read it over, and a down & pen, aud I having put ink in added to the paper: I nave to say explicitly Mr. Beecher never offered any improper solicitations to me, but always treated me as a Cbrisnan and u gentleman. _BLIZABEIH R. TILTON. Q. Did you many manner suggest or secs | that addition ¢ A. I did not; it was her own uct Did you in any manuer direct or suggest an, for of eXpression, or the substance of expression, in that letter of retraction # A, I did not, sir. TILTON’S QUANDARY. While the witness spoke Fullerton, Beach and Morris kept their eyes fixed upon him, and it re- | quired no extra force of imagination to read in Moul, ton and Tilton seemed disconcerted, Tilton haa confidently predicted that Beecver would not dare to deny the charge of adultery on the witness Yet he did and Tilton grew older by the hour. . Did youduring this conversation, Mr. Beecher, state anything to Mrs. Tilton in regard to any injury that might come to you trom this charge? A. Q. What was that? A, When she spoke of ob- Jecting and the aitticuity it would make between herself and her Husband, L said (Oo her that there Must be no diiticuity of that Kind; that so Jar as 1 was concerned, i desired this retraction as pro- tectuon; that rumors of tuis might come to the ears of Mischie! makers, that ic might get into the church, and that there migut be uo future call on me I wished something lor my protection that Would Dea defenve «gaiust these charge: Was tbe substance of the conversation. 4, Did you say anything to her imregard tu the injury to herself and wer family the P Vvaience or L .Wiedge of such cuarges would lead tof A. 1 i 1t Woes not ooly an injury to we Lat also to and to her chidrea; tuat nv woman could mi such Charges Without injury to herseli and ner | children, Q. When Mrs. Tilton was speaking to you of the views presented to her oy ber husband which tn- duced her tu give ths accusation against you, | Gid she say anytuing more or .urther io regard to any comparison Letween herself and Mr. Tilton ¢ A. Laou't Know tuat your question recat thing to my mind. Q. Have you stated, as far as you now recollect, | ail she said im regard to the reasous or sugges- tons Of ber bUSsband Whica had produces lever? A. I can’t state thea all. Q. Well, the substance as you have given them ¢ 8, vat . Yes, Q. How long Was this interview, Mr. Beecher ? | A. Time passes quickly enough When people are under great excitement; toe interview lasted about hail an hour, Q. In Whattorm did you receive that paper? Was 1c in an envelope’ A. 1 think It was io its present iorm, in ‘ne orm iu which It 18 at pres ent; | putitiu my pocket; there was some ute conversation furiaer; 1 hoped tuat MY VISIT WOULD GIVE HER PEACE, and not throw ber back again in sicko Q. What did sue say to chatr A. L don’t know, sir; Lleit the room wna the vouse; I went bacg to Aur, Moultun’s; it wus only a few steps irom Mrs, ‘liiton’s; I rang the veil, Went in and sat down; I don’t thiak any ching was said; Mr. Moulton asked me, i think, “Have you seen Eiizaveth! I sald yes; Ldou’t remember seeing Mr. tiltos I teen Said [ would yo home; wr. Moulton then rose and said he Would see mie home; 1 did not suggest bis going With me; be attenued me to my house. y Did avytning pass between you and nim on the Way home? A. There was sowe conversation Waich [| cannot recas; | was not i @ mood \o remember much; butt recollect there was some couversation iu regard to Mr. bowen’s conduct to Mr. Tilton; 1 think Mr, Moulton spoke all the way home; he did all the taking aud | think I an- swered him in monosyiiabies. Q. Do you remember woat time that night you returned .omey A. 1 sink, sir, between Dine and teu o’clock—not later than tea. ‘The Court took 4 recess until two o'clock. AFTER RECESS, Q. Mr. Moulton vas test:fea that on this bight Of the Joth of December you asked bim 1 he had seen Rlizabeth’s contession. Did you ask him that qnestion? A. fuid not. q. Orany question of similar import? A. No; nothing was said between us on thay subject, Q. Was anything said by yoo to him or by him ¥ you about any coulessiou of Mra. Tilton? A, NO, sir. q. Did you that night {n a conversation with Moulton, at any portion of tuat evening, use any Such expression 4s this, “THIS WILL KILL MEY’! A. 1 Cannot recall it; 1 may have used those words. Q. Dia yon teli Moulton that Theodore Tilton had given you permission to go to Eitzabetu ior contirmation vi the story’ A, I did not. ‘ Q On that night was aoytning said oy Moulton to you or by you to Moulton on the suoject of sexual intercourse between you and Ars, s1ton? A. NO, sir—ny, sir, Q. On that night was anything said concerning any coniession of sexual intercourse between you | and Mrs. Tilton? A, Not w word. Q. On that night aid any one speak to you or did you speak 0 any One on (he subject Of the Jace of Sexual intercourse between you and Mra. Tile tou’ A. Nu, sif—no sir; it 18 a supjectI don’s talk about. * Q On that night did you use any such expres Sion OF Make suc. an observation to Moulton aa | this, “Tois came upon me as ti struck by light. ning?’ A. I may tay ny impression 13 that was a phri 1 used on the Ist January, but it may have been on tuat occasion. Q Did you, on this night, ask Moulton to be @ friend ;o you’ A. N ald not. Q. When next did yon see Moulton and Tilton ? A. | didn’t see liiton axam that f recollect til the 84 January; i saw Moulton on the dist December, the aigut following vais mterview. THE PISTOL SCENE IN BERCHER'S HOUSE. Q Wahere was the interview vesween Mouwiton and you on the ist Lecomber? A, At my house, Q. At what hour of the day did it begin? A. Aboot hal'-past seven in tae eveuin@ he came to my house; When he came im he Went Up stair ith Him, wo my wary ne th were the ta Wi i be | burning. | and took up his position on the left hand sia and Lstood on the other; he made some intro: dactory remarks waich | can’t now recollect, but he drew out a letter irom iis pocket from Theo | dore Tilton, in which Tilton stated that alter going home last nigat he found | had taken advantage of the interview he had accorded me with bis wile and nad procured from hit wie a retraction of the charg ayvaimst me; tns is the substance of 1b there Was something more 1 don't recollect; bé then proceeded to say in substance that he pre. sumed this was 80: I sald I nad and he tvoagat lt had acted @ Very indiscreet part and a dishonor able one; that) had no right to take advantage O! such a situation to obtain a retraction; I then claimed [| had @ right to It tor sell-delence; ne then sald that such a course was indiscreet ané inexpedient on mY part, DO matter What my reason Was; (hat it only tended tu increase the dimiculty between Tilton and his wife and be | tween Tilton and myseli, and, instead 0} | its jeadin, to quiet and peace, it would be exactly the other Way, and that J ought to give up the retraction; J argued with hint upon that matter, and for some little ume there Was an interchange of thougot backwara and jorwara; then he drew from his pocket a lew ter purporting to be from Mrs. Tilton, requesting me—— Mr. Evarts—Wait a moment. Look at that pa perand see if thatisas you rememberit’ A, | Ubink it 1s; he read it to me. ‘The letter Was banded to witness, and he read it ag follow: ~ Satunpay MORNING. My Dear Prrenp Fraxk:—I want yoo to do me the greatest possibie favor. My letter which you have, and the one I gave Mr. Beecher at lis dictation iast evening ought voth to ve destroyed. Piease bring both to me and Iwill burn them. Show this ‘note to Theodore and Mr, Beaches, ‘They will see 1c 13 , the propriety of this request, Yor 2 eae Q Well, do you recognize it? A. I recoguize it by one single word. et Q. Well, he read that toyou? A. Yes, sir, G. Well, then wnat proceeded? A. Well, I was erplexed a little at the existence of that letter, \or ir. Tilton bad told me that the letver was de- stroyed by Mr. Moulton, and Mrs. Tiiton’s pote im. oe existence Of tuat letter denying the ac- cusation. Q ‘the accusation? A. Yes, sir; however, that wus a mere transient thought in my mind; the main thought Was what would tend to peace and reconciliation, Q Give the conversation, A, There was con- siderable conversation, but I said to Mr. Moulton my objection to give up the retraction was that T would be leit without any detence 111 snould in any way be brought to an account op such a charge; then be said, in substance, that he would stand between me and any such renewal ot the accusation, that he would deiend the document and would burn them both tu my presence, or he would keep. them if I wished tt, and alter some lurther little parley J oroagnht the letter and handed it to him, At every step the witness proceeded quietly, firmly, convincingly :— Witness—He had been sick along and he took Off his overcoat, and as he did so | saw the HILT OF A PISTOL IN HIS POCKET, which he took and leit on the bureau, withouta word that I recoilect, and he put the overcoat at the foot of the bed; after he got the document he put the pistol back in his pocket and had some lurther unimportant conversation; he spoxe of ‘Tilton a8 & Wronged man, that he was his friend and Meanc to right him; that was the general tenor of his conversation. Q Now, the fourtn letter (letter handed to witness)? A. Ihave no recollection of seeing or hearing this letter; [ am not sure but that he quoted something of this, but 1 remember no other letter of Mrs, Tilton’s put the one relerred to betore, Q. Now, this letter from Mts. Tilton that Moul- | tou read was the letter to Moulton? A. 1o Muul- ton. Q. That letter you did not read or have in your hand? No, sir. Q. Was it aiter the promise of Moulton that be would either burn the papers, if you chuse, or | Keep the two papers to prevent a renewal of this Accdsation, that you gave him the retraction? A. , it was, When Mr. Moulton represented to you, a3 he | did in some form, that lt Was an inproper thing | tor you to take this paper, What did you say to him ou that subiect. A. Lf don’t rememoer exactly; | but lL recoliect saying shat 1 toought 1 had a per. fect right to procure the retraction irom the Source .rom which the charge came. Q. Was anything said abouc Mr. Tilton inviting you to go. down to his house \osee hia wuet Ay ‘Toat was tne basis on whica | went there. Q. Was anything said by you in the interviow Of the Sist aboat Mr. Tiiton having invited you to see his wile? A. Mr, Moulton told me Mr, Tilton Wanted me to go down to see his wie; there waa no difference of opioion about that; Uf so, 1t 13 of later origin. Q. Was anything said about it being discredit- Y | avie to keep tbe paper? A. im the course of con- versation It was sald !t would be @ mean act to | Keep a paver procured under sucd circumstances; butioo not remember precisely the ground oa whien the objecuon Was made: Mr. Mouiton’s conauct toward me was always that of a gentle- man; Mr, Tilton Was under the impression that I Was an active enemy oi his, and my desire wag pe! Such ao impression should be removed from 18 mi Q. Was anything said by Mr. Moulton to you that nignt about your taving procured Irom Mra, ‘Tilton what you knew to be alice? A, No, sir. Q. Sot Gon said by him aoout your having procured from ler what he wouid be justified 1n calling a lie? A. No, sir. Q. Was there any charge of that nature made that night? A, No, sir; none Whatever; next day We had a jull interview on toese points. Q. Was anything sald taat nignt by Moulton to you in reierence to you having obtained thls letver, or did anything pass between you \o tae eifect thatit would potsave you? A. Tnere Wi hint, 1 recollect right, # repeated statement, That this was a bad policy, if peace and harmoay between us would be any good, but if you mesa by “save me,” according to iater theories— Mr. Beach—I move to strike that out. ‘fne Court ordered the latter passage to be Stricken out. lo reply to the Court Mr, Leecher said:—I do not think the expression “it will not save you’? was used, Q. Was anything said about your “Not seeing much of the guidance of God in what you did?” A. 1 do not know bat tnat towards tie close of the incerview there Wag Sometntog of that Kind satd, but Iam rather coniused on the point; expres sions o{ that general character occurred many times in our subsequent interviews. Q. Doyou mean that precise expression? A. No, but expressions in regard to @ guiding Provi- dence, Q. Did Mr. Moulton say to you that night, Mr. Beecier, what | now read to you, or anything like ti—"Mr. Beecher, do not think you ougatie Ifish courses—teil the truth @ud avide by A. The first sentence was, I toms, one of the arguments he used; I said I would hoid the Puper in seli-deience; he said Ishoald not stand on my oWn detence; he Was ulcer tue reconcilla- tion and harmonizing of discordant elements; I don’t remember saying I should abide by it. to him in teese words be tue remember tl Q. Did you sa mere denial? thing of my defence; conuection with the paper wi defence when culled for. Q. Did you say anytuing to bim of thia, ‘I will throw myself on your irendship—on woat l know to be your desire to save me?” A, No, sir; there Was no necessity fur his deieace thea on my part. Q. At this interview at this time was there any talk about your reiatious or intercourse with Mr ‘litou? A, No. sir. Q Was there anything said at this interview about tue love you had for Mrs. Tilton and that | Mrs. Tilton nad jor your A. No, sir; nothing of thac kind was sald. Q. Now, sir, did you use any figure or expres sion of this Kind. “Did you Say at this imservie anytoing about your ‘“oeing oa the brink of woral Niagara?” A, 1 hooe not; I did not. Q. Any figure like toat? A, Ltnink not; I don" re semper; it Was @ business intéRyiew, turniug on the part im réierence to the paper; thut wat the Wools thing that gave rise to that conversa tion, Q. Did you say anything about your having n¢ power to save yourseli or culling on him to you? A. No, sir nothing at that interview that significance; he said he would save Q. Did you in ths interview with Mr. Moulton say to him that you considered your sexual Inter- cuurse with Mrs. Tiiton as toe ural expression Aad love for ner? A. No, sir; nothing of that ind, Q. Did you say you felt justified in the love you bore lier and which you knew she heid tov you! A. No; no such language came into tne conversa tion. Q. Did you say at thaciose of the conversation, or otherwise, that your lie waseaded’ A. No, sit. | Mr. Beecher, did you say this to Mr. Moulton or anytning like it—inat you loved Eizabetn s¢ much that through your love tor her, if you haé \, you iad talien?’ A, No, sir, That ti SeXual expression of that love was 1, in your opinion, ngaage ay? 9 Did Laay that? ir. anything of your def . Ldo nou remember aylug any. t all Lexpected im to retain it lor my | PELLED WITH SCORN. The genius of the great preacher came out im | bright reiief at this stage of the examination, Terse, nervous and forcible were the character. izations of tie dif rent interviews with Moulton He repelled with scorn the insinuations that le ever ased the eXpressious attributed to himin the charges of Tiiton and Mouiton. “Dia you,” ed Bvaris, “say either the frst of second time that if you had fallen at all you had n through love, uot through lust?’ ‘No, sir,” Was the response, accompanied by a shrug of the shoulders and an expression of contempt on the lips. | .Q@ Did you either the first or second time s that, Ifyou bad fallen at all, you had ialien throug) love and not through lust? No, str, * Q. Was there anytoing of tiis kin’ said to yoo by Mr, Moulton, Mr. Beecber:—"1 don't see how | you fave erred ag you have. [don’t understand That you bave bad criminal connection with Mra Tilton; 1 doo't see how you could oave periormed | two such acta?” As No. at this poms the glostion of sexual Intercourse