The New York Herald Newspaper, August 24, 1874, Page 3

‘ FRANCE’S FUTURE. Was Bazaine Imprisoned and Did He Escape? THE MARSHAL IN BRUSSELS. Is a Strong Democracy Preferable to a Weak Republic ? co wa. ale PRINCE NAPOLEON'S CHANCES, Paris, August 12, 1874. There is a donbt whether Bazaine ever really Went to the Island of Ste, Marguerite at all, and it tw very positively stated by persons who at least seem likely to know, that the present oficial ac- count of nis escape is only a blind, It 1s a sigoifi- cant fact that, although a company of soldiers was kept in the island, 1 am in a position to affirm that none of them ever saw him there. It is also to be noted that the Bonapartist papers an- nounced immediately after the trial that unless the ex-Marshal was reprieved ke would publish a Justification of bis proceedings during the siege of Metz, which would compromise not a few of those who had joined in persecuting him; and it was even hinted that MacMahon himself, whose politi- ca) attitude during the war was notso entirely sans peur et sans reproche as had been supposed, would be brought to signal gric! thereby. THE GOVERNMENT STORY. The French Post Office has seized all private tel- egrams relating to the escape. Meanwhile the account of the affair which the government has put forward 1s as follows:— When Marshal Bazaine was first imprisoned his confinement was very strict. Four warders were responsible for his safe custody vy day, while at might a picket of soldiers kept guard over the house and the different points of the island. Lat- terly, in consideration of the Marshal’s 111 health and on his giving his parole not to escape, some little relaxation of the prison Tules was allowed. Only two persons, however, were allowed to visit him—Mme. Bazaine and Colonel Villette, his old aide-de-camp. Colonel Villette saw him on Sunday last, and leit Ste. Marguerite in the afternoon. Mme, Bazaine left her husband shortly after dinner—that 18, about half-past seven o'clock, and crossed over to the mainland. Later in the evening—according to the deposition of a fisher- man—a lady, whom he at once recognized as Mme. Bazaine, accompanied by @ gentleman, came to him and wanted to hire @ boat tor a quiet row. The fisherman, suspecting nothing, readily as- sented, The gentleman stepped into the boat, handed in the lady, took hold of the sculls and shot Fapidly across the water in the direction of Ste. Marguerite. The gentleman has since been identi- fled ag M. Roulle, a cousin of Mme. Bazaine’s. THE LAST EVENING AT STE. MARGUERITS. Meanwhile the ex-Marshal was pacing up and @own the terrace in front of his house in company with M. Marquet, governor of the prison. It 18 a fine terrace, 100 yards in length, and commands one of the most splendid views in the Mediter- vanean. Towards nine o'clock he turned in, hav- ing, doubtless, reconnoitred the little boat which ‘was gliding round the island, The steamer which ‘was to aid 1a the escape was, of course, not yet in sight. The night was already stormy and the mistral began to blow with terrific violence. At eleven Bazaine was seen for the last time by the ofiicer whose duty it was to call on the pris- oner at that hour, Next morning he was gone. His window remained open and from it hung a long rope with which the prisoner had evidently let himself down, at the imminent risk of breaking Dis neck, for his bedroom hung over a steep jagged rock. The old soldier had evicently found it Yough work, for the rope was stained with ‘BLEVEN SPOTS OF BLOOD. At eleven o’clock on Monday morning the au- Worities telegraphed to Paris. The despatch reached the President of the Republic at half-past two. He immediately convoked a council of Ministers, and the arrest of every officer and even every private soldier on the island was decided on. An order was also given to arrest Colonel Villette, wherever he might be found. , The Colonel was arrested the same evening at the Marseilles station, whither he had just arrived trom Cannes. Next day the news reached Paris ‘nat the fugitive had landed saicly at San Remo. The ehip which landed him carried Italian colors, According to the latest intelligence, he was pro- ceeding by way of Turin and Basle to Brussels, There he will cause much tribulation of mind to the Belgian government, which ts constantly being reproached by its big neigubors for harboring ob- noxious exiles. In 1871 the pressure put on it waa so great that it was obliged ta banish Victor Hugo;" and it the ex-Marsbal takes to writing pamphlets which contain too much truth the Ministers of Leopold H. may receive a gentle hint as to the wishes of the Cabinet of Versailles. HERO WORSHIP AMONG THE SOLDIERY. The police have already taken possession of the island of Ste, Marguerite and in terned the soldiers. The Public Prosecutors of Marseilles and Gragse are holding an in- quiry. If the incarceration and the escape be not equally Mythical it seems impossible for Ba- gZaine to have escaped without the connivance at least of the sentinel, whose post was directly un- der his bedroom window. The Marshal had cer- tainly secured nimself one or two very devoted riends, and hé may have been popular with the soldiery, though held up to execration by officers. ‘That was the whole secret of Louis Napoleon's escape from Ham. Two sentinels recognized the Prince in spite of his workman’s blouse, and abowed the fact by their looks, one of them even smiling ana saying “Pass on, sir.” In those days the whole army loved a Bonaparte, and there may ‘well be many who still love the hero of the Cri- mea, Italy and Mexico for all the disasters of Metz, MYSTERIES OF FRENOH POLITICS. ‘Those who are but superficially acquainted with France, and picture it to themselves as simply New England with the addition of the French language and a few old world customs, may regard as wild the idea that Bazaine was never really im- prisoned at all. Whatever the facts may turn out to be, the supposition is by no means an imposei- Dility. The extraordinary coutralization of the French political system places enormous power and the ability to enforce absolute secrecy in the hands of the Executive for the time being. The Mar with the Iron Mask does not beiong to fable but to, modern history, even to the eighteenth century. Yet the mystery of his existence has never been revealed, and nothing is known of him wave that during twenty-tour years no man saw Bis face. A proof that strange things are done even in these days may be found in the curious Memoirs of one Griscelll, @ spy of the Second Km- pire. They may be disbelieved, yet they have an air 1 truth, and as the writer frankly avows himself an assassin, bis book is at least not open to the cbarge of self-laudation. It is characteristic of the unhealthy state of mind produced here by too much of revolution, that the first Frenchman to whom I imparted the news was firmly convinced that “they” had let him escape. Who “they”? may be is never strictly defined, In the discussions of political guidance “they” have as many sins to answer for as the household cat which eats apricot jam, burns the ends of candies and kicks over por- celain vases of three times its own weight. ‘Need. Jess to mention that “they” uiso let Rochefort escape. THE PROSPRCTS OF THR ROYALISTS. Now that the sessional storms are over tnere is every prospect of a Jull in the atmosphere for three montbs, although three monthe ts a tong time in France. Last Parliamentary recess the royalists, flushed with their: recent victory over Thiers, ‘openly avowed their intention of making every- thing ready against the King’s return betore the Assembly should meet again. Mach nas happened NEW YORK HERALD, MONDAY, AUGUST 24, 1874.—TRIPLE SHEET, when a majority of Deputies haa been secured and the good will of the generals ascertainea, Henry V. suddenly waved the impossible white flag in the face of his confounded adherents, In a Moment all was lost, for MacMahon had declared thar “the chassepots would go off of themselves in the streets” in defence of the national colors, Meanwhile the Count of Paris had committed the happy despatch in going to Frohsdorf to kiss his cousin’s hand, legitimists crying out that he had submitted and Orleanists that he had abdicated, When the Assembly met in November, 1878, both factions were dispirited and disor- ganized, and, in a panic fear lest the republicans should be on the eve of triumph, all they could tnink of was to induce timid conservatives of every denomination to join them in erecting the Septen- nate asa strong temporary barrier against the tide of public opinion, During the last nine months the royalist cause bas steadily declined, every election being carried by republicans or Bonapart- ists, so that it 1s evident to the most casual op- server that the struggle lies between these two parties and none other, Moreover, the President has shown that he loves power and will not suffer the term of his offlee to be discussed any longer, even by the representatives who conferred it on him. rumors of monarchical conspiracies for the present, and even agitation in favor of the Prince Imperial ts likely to be put down with a strong hand by the government, ’ THE MISTAKEN POLICY OF THE EMPIRE. The greatest mistake ever made by the adherents of the Empire was to quarrei with Prince Napoleon, now by far the ablest man among them. The Empress Eugénie fought him on the question of the Regency for seventeen years of her husband's reigh, and to her own loss won the battle. Had Prince Napoleon been Governor of Paris on the 4th of Septeniber, 1870, instead of the feeble- minded Trochu, all the subsequent anarchy might have been averted, The King of Prussia, too, was ready to listen seriously to overtures of peace from one he knew and could at once recognize as speak- ing With the authority of high rank and prestige. As it was, on Bismarck’s presenting his sovereign with a despatch from the new French Minister for Foreign Affairs, His Majesty asked in wonder- ment, “Jules Favre? who 18 Julea Favre?’’ A republican assured me only thé other aay that the older heads among his party would be well satisfied to seé Prince Napo- leon at the head of affairs. ‘‘Soon,” my friend added, ‘he will be the sole true representative left of the ideas of 1789. He knows the wants and feelings of the middle class, and he 1s thoroughly anti-clerical, He would rute despotically, perhaps; but his despotism would, at least, be enlightened.” Though Gambetta has, on the whole, behaved with praiseworthy moderation since he resigned ofice at Bordeaux, he has not yet succeeded in winning the confidence of sober men. Thiers is seventy- seven, and Ledru Rollin, too, is very old. A STRONG DEMOCRACY PREFERABLE TO A WEAK REPUBLIO. Liberals, therefore, wno understand what they really want, would prefer a strong democracy under Prince Napoleon to a nominal republic under weak leaders and assailed on every side, Gambetta, however, has no idea of self-efacement. Young France sttll admires him, qnd he still speaks and acts as acbief, His last order to his followers is to be careful whom they elect to the Councils General, which are, a8 you are aware, local government boards, A proportion of the members of the Senate to be shortly created will probably be elected by the Councils General; and republicans are anxious to secure a respectable minority in the upper house. For more than this they cannot hope. It ts curious to notice the obstinacy with which constitution-makers maintain THE NECESSITY FOR A SECOND CHAMBER. Washington first accepted the doctrine, then Napoleon, then all the rest of Europe, with the exception of Greece, while the New World has of Consequently we may'expect to be free from | course followed the lead of the United States, The | origin of the idea, as every one knows, lay in a study of British legislative machinery. To Amert- cans it had been especially interesting to observe that while a majority of the House of Commons was obstinately bent on subduing the revolted colonies, the House of Lords, in which was heard the voice of Chatham, did sometimes reflect more truly the calmer sense of the English people. Hence arose the American Senate, the only upper | house besides that of England which has ever had real influence. Napoleon Ill.’s Senate was a lamentable failure, though some brilliant names were inscribed on its rolls. Among those was Prosper Mérimée’s, who confessed that he felt shy at first on addressing that august assembly. ‘But I soon took heart,” he con- tinued, “remembering that I was only speak- ing to two hundrea fools.” According to the Duke of Broglie’s plan the Senate was to consist partly of members sitting ex-oficio as mar- shals, admirals and perhaus archbishops; also - Judges of the Cours of Cassation (the highest Court of Appeal in France), members named directly by the President of the Republic and members elected by the Councils General; all to hold their seats jor hfe. One would be inclined to suggest that the members of the Academy should also be entitled to seats. to close the door of the Academy on many emi- nent men whose political views happened to differ | trom those of the majority. SAVANS NOT POLITICAL LEADERS. Unhappily, this ts already the case. What must be confessed Is that men of science and let- ters have not proved themselves very brilliant rulers during the present century. Guizot ana Ollivier are names which mark the downiall of two dynasties, Even the ability of Thiers must seem to an impartial spectator of nis career to | have been overrated. In 1840, when Prime Minis- ter, he commited @ series of blunders and was completely outwitted py Lord Palmerston, He then threatened war without taking the pains to ascertain if he could act on his menace, and found his statements coolly repu- diated by the King. He now has the credit of having put down the Commune and liber- ated the territory. Yet it was through his care- lessness that the Commune broke out, while @s to the payment or the indemnity France proved to be richer than any one could have anticipated, and was naturally only too giad to be ridof the Germans. No extraordinary financial ability was displayed by M, Thiers, finance being, according to the admission of his friends, his weak point. The legitimists also, it must be remembered to their praise, stood by him very loyally till the hostile occupation of the soil was virtually at anend. It was only their patriotic resolution not to add to the difficulties of the situation that prevented a vigorous crusade throughout the country in favor of the Bourbons after the troubles of 1870-1, No wonder they are now little bitter at having let the chance slip. After the civil war France was in so exhausted and sickly a frame of mind that she would have rejoiced in the sway of any one who represented prescription or even decency. ONE GREAT HOPE FOR FRANCE. There 18 one great hope for France, let Paris do her worst, and this hope is best illustrated by Burke's allegory of the Ox and the Grasshopper. “He would be wrong,” said the most philosophic of statesmen, “who should fancy that those voices which are heard oftenest and loudest represent pubiic opinion, Judge merely by sound and you would fancy @ little insect was lord of the fleld, and that the nuge, steady ox,-sllently chewing the cud and regardless of the clatter around him, had noexistence. Yet he can low, on reasonable oc- casion, and then makes himself heard very dis- tinctly.” So the great French people pay less heed than some newspaper correspondents are apt to fancy to Ministerial intrigues and coffee house rumors tegarding this or that pretender, Astill but busy life is that of the provinces, a life of toiling and saving, enlivened by many a Sunday holiday, wheh the young folk, instead of sipping absinthe and reading the République Frangatse, dance on the village green, while the fathers of the hamlet discuss, not too violently, some very thin wine and the news of last month, They have no time to fever themselves with contradictory telegrams at morning, noon and night. You may learn more of what the country really thinks and does from a story like Sand’s “La Petite Fadette,” or the pop- ular tales of Erckmann-Chatrian, than from a thousand and one leaders, even such men as MM. Veuillot or John Lemoinne. Of course there gince then, In the very crisig of bis Moxfunes, |.are one pr two auesviods to which the French, It might be answered that this would be | | game of Spanish politics, The Duke is an Orlean- | those at Lisbon and Vienna to obtain trom France, | renounce their right of veto on the election of a | trpnks were seized. peasant is keenly alive. Let the monarchists at- tempt to touch i TRE PRESENT SYSTEM OF LAND TENURE and not all the 36,000 mayors of this overgoverned country cuuld keep order, Again, let rustics be as superstitious as they will, yet any attempt to con- fer more power on the priests or to legislate ef- fectivety according to ecclesiastical views, would certainly be resented by the whole population, ex- cepting the women, who, however, have never heard of their rights, like their more favored sis- ters across the Atlantic. Under Charles X. the shops were closed on @ Sunday, and the bare thought that his grandson might attempt to re- vive such restrictions on personal liberty has told heavily against him among piain folk, who are not averse to the name of king, and have no fear lest they should be stifled under the folds of a white pit 88 ue GERMAN WAR CLOUD HAS PASSED, The Duke Decazes’ circular note in answer to the charge of secretly favoring the Carlists con- firms what I said to you in my last letter— namely, that there is no fear of @ rupture witn Germany for the present, fhe French Cabinet is not desirous of mixing itself up in the ignoble 1st, and has no wish to identify his cause with that of clericalism and absolute monarciy. I sus- pect Bismarck begins to wish heartily he could countermand those gunboats without appearing ridiculous, Lord Derby seems to be equally exer- cised in mind, first ordering the Channel fleet up to Barcelona and then telegraphing it back as soon as it had started. Queen Victoria’s speech on the prorogation of Parliament disclaimed al} in- tention of interfering in Spanish affairs, The Popoto Romano states that the Vatican has given instructions to its Nuncio here as well as to Austria and Portugal a declaration that they would new Pontiff. It 18 not likely that France will con- sent, seeing that Cardinal Bonaparte is one of the Sacred College. It would be amusing to see the way in which an Imperialist Pope would deal with such taithful sons of the Church as Henry and Charles of Bourbon. Not that there is any serious fear of such a complication, Some excellent old man will probably be chosen, of whom no one baa ever heard out of Italy. EX-FATHER HYACINTHE finds even less liberty in the Ohutch of Geneva than in the Church of France, He has resigned his living, declaring that the Town Council are | practically clatming infallibility in matters of doc- trine. Better swallow the decrees of Rome, he mournfully exclaims, than the crude opinions of a committee of aldermen. One is sorry for M. Loyson, who is an honest man. Like numbers of Amet- | icans and Englishmen, he cannot see why it shoula be impossible to renounce ultramontanism with- out renouncing all definite religious /aith. On the Continent, however, priests and journalists would leave you no choice between the two. BATE STODDARD SPEAKS, A Great Deal of Method In Her Mad- mess—She Demands Back the Articles and Money the Brooklyn Police Seized from Her—A Well Worded Defiance— What Has District Attorney Winslow to Say? To THE EDITOR OF THE HERALD:— Will you please insert the subjoined letter in the columns of the H#RALD ? L, L. KING, To THE DisTRicr ATfORNEY OF KINGS COUNTY, BROOKLYN, L. MR. WINSLOW— ill you please hand over to me my $45 in bank notes, two pair | of opera glasses, two mirrors, a card plate, gold pencil, @ satchel, two penknives, an accordeon, an umbrella, a pair oi scissors, blue ribbon, @ Bible, my music box, letters and pictures, clippings Irom.newspapers, silver mug, two tidies, match box, china cup and wrapping, bottles of eau ce cologne, violet ink, muciiage, French dressing for boots, &c.; four volumes on phys- iology, package of Fulton ferry tickets, one Green- wood car ticket, two of Smith & Wesson’s revolvy- ers, Worth $27 ¥ If you have any reason for not giving me these articles please give me that reason. I have patiently waited over a year for them, thimking you would let me have them aiter disposing of my case. The watcn and chain and seal ring “counsel? romised last winter to get for. me after my trial. jut, as | now have no counsel, and as I have had worse than no counsel through the whole affair, [ can only say that, as far as my understanding goes, |have @ better claim than any one else to the watch and chain and seal ring. If I had understood that any one had a better right to them than myself I would have re- linquished them at once, without interference from the police. The only value they had for me ‘was because I felt they were mine by right, and I feel tuat they are still. Over a year ago I was arrested on the street, be- cause I had once assumed the nom de plume of Kate Stoddard. Idely any one to prove against me any other crime than that of assuming @ fic- titious name, while toiling in New York city at an honest occupation fora working woman. Then my Each souvenir I had treas- ured was desecrated by the handling o! police, and witness and officials, What money I had in my pocket was taken irom me. The money I had saved during the months previous to my arrest | was taken also, Last week I read in the Brooklyn fore that you had given up all the articles I ave enumerated to the Goodrich family, with exception of the’ revolvers. What right have you to _ give the Goodrich family the tidies which I made, or the be de glasses, which belong to me by all the laws of the land; or the two looking glasses, which | I bought before ever I went to Degraw street; | or the numerous other articles which the | members of the Goodrich family have had the malicious impudence to ask for? You were allowed to give the contents of my trunk:to the Goodriches because I have no lawyer to de- fend my rights. They took advantage of this cir- cumstance when they received them from you, 1 have far more reason to bring @ charge against you for robbery than ever you had reason to bring against me a charge of homicide. The two revolvers were never used to injure any one, and you cannot show that they ever were. This is a free country, and a woman has as much right to carry revolvers as has aman, especially when she is as weary of life as I was, and prefers death to incarceration in a madhouse, If you intend to keep the firearms then I demand of you the price | paid for them, which, together with some cartridges, amounts to $28 25, LIZZIE LLOYD KING. Avsorn, N. Y., August 19, 1874. MUSIOAL AND DRAMATIO NOTES, M. Vieuxtemps’ successor to the Violin Profes- sorship of the Brussels Conservatoire is the Polish piayer, Mr. Henri Wientawski. Mr. J. S. Clarke is going te try again to do some- thing with “Black Mail,” alias “The Thumbscrew,” which the English critics declared an absurdity, According to the Gawlois, which does not seem to have much sympathy with French artists when they cross the Channel, Mlle. Agar’s last perform- ance et the London St. James only brought in Of. 35¢, The Haymarket will reopen the first week in October, with Mr. Sothern in Lord Dundreary. An adaptation, by Mr. Mortimer, of “Le Duc Job,’’ entitled “Lord Churchmouse,” is among promised novelties. Galignani says there is some question at the Paris Galte of getting up the “Don Quichotte” which M. Sardou brought out a few years ago at the Gymnase, with M. Lesueur in the part of the hero and M. Pradeau in that of Sancho Panza, The Lyceum Theatre opens this evening with Aimée in ‘Timbale d’Argent.’” The plot ef the piece is based ou the contests of two neighboring villages for musical supremacy, and is !ull of droll incident, The dialogue is remarkably witty, and the music sparkling. It contains many melodies which can scarcely fail to become popular, THE RAILROAD COMPANIES AND THE HOTEL TIOKET AGENTS, In consequence of the recent action of the trunk railroad lines to the Westin abolishing commis- sion ticket offices, the Association of Railway and Steamship Ticket Agents of this city, comprising the offices of fourteen leading hotels, and whose receipts for the ‘year ending June 90 were about $1,000,000, at @ tinal meeting held on Saturday evening last resolved to work for the New York Central, Lake Shore and Michi- gan Southern and Chicago and Rock Island roads to the West, and the Northwestern road to the northwest; also for the Piedmont Air ine, to the south. Resolutions expressing friend. liness to the officers of the other lines were adopted. These also excluded advertisements of every description except for the roads named, and ‘announced that no extra charge would be made for turnishing ticket and sleepthg var accom. Modations., Strong appeals were also made in the resolutions for one year’s support, and steps were fee. to secure unity of action with other Kastern OUR INDIANS. The Northern Sioux in Wholesome Dread of Cust RED CLOUD AND SPOTTED TAIL. pea as THE LATE BATTLE ON POWDER RIVER. Formidable Expedition Against Cheyennes and Arapahoes. THEY DECLARE FOR: PEACE. Hostile Indians Reported on the Verge of Starvation. the A Civilized Chickasaw on the Government Policy. THE “STRONGHAND” WANTED. EXECUTIVE MANSION, CHICKASAW NATION, I, vy MILL CREEK, August 13, 1874. While awaiting the stage en route for the indian seat of war your correspondent stopped for the advantages ot water and food, which are scarce in this country, and, as dated above, put up at the hospitable headquarters of Governor Cyrus Harris, the chief civil oMicer of the Chickasaw Nation of peaceful, friendly and civilized Indians, This was rendered thé more advisable because from a long experience, lasting over thirty years, with a great familiarity in everything pertaining to the Indians, © wild and civilized, Governor Harris was found to be pre-eminently one of those excellent authorities from whom much light and information could be gained in the direction of the HERALD’s desire to gQbtain all the facts calculated to solve the knotty Indian problem which thus far has defeated the wisdom and ability of the lawmakers and the executive departments | at Washington. Strangely enough, he was in favor of one of the propositions suggested by the HERALD 10 General Sheridan as @ means of reach- ing the desired end of a peaceful yet effectual subjection of the Indians to the arts of peace and civilization. En passant, let me give a general idea of who and what the Governor of the Chicka- saw Nation Is. Inthe first place, he ig the chiet | executive officer of his people, elected by their suffrages, according to a well digested constitu- tion for the term of two years. This event has occurred,to him five consecutive times, and for the last ten years he has successfully presided over the destinies of his people in a manner which is alike wise, conservative and beneficial. He is now fifty-six years of age, active and well preserved, having led a life of industry and labor since a boy, which bas culminated in a very decent competency and the surroundings of agricultural success, crowned by the ratsing of a splendid family of five girls and three boys, one of the latter of whom is the eldest, and just twenty-iour years of age—a splendia specimen of the genuine thoroughbred Indian beauty which would bave charmed a Feni- more Wooper or a Sprague. The girls all are beau- tiful, aud as fine housekeepers and farm wives as @ connecticut Yankee coula demand, Governor Harris 18 exceedingly well intormed on all eub- jects, } A FULL-BLOOD INDIAN, very logical and conservative in his views, speak- ing big Own native and the English languages equally well, and posted up in the treaty and con- stitutional laws, as also in a knowledge of the de- bates in Congress, He is extremely frank ana well-tempered, but evidently digests carefully everything he says in the way of opin- fon ‘or ofMfcial eXpreasion. My first meet- ing with the Governor was at. early dawn this morning, when he came gleefully skipping into the courtyard fronting his mansion, wheeling rapidiy witn youthiul vigor an immense barrow loaded with grain, just brought from his mull a few hundred yards below, to teed his stock of farm yard fowls and pet ponies. He was laugn- ing heartily as he stopped at something upon which he had been reflecting, and when he put down his load cheertly, your correspondent asked him in his native language, inquisitively, what it Was that so exercised him as to infuse into his physical economy such @ large amount of the ‘balm of youth.’? Toning down his benevolent face toagentie grimace, through which peered his twinsling, merry, black snapping eyes, his fine Jeatures of the pure Indian type all aglow and set off by a gray, thinnish, full beard, he said, i rapid, joyous tones, ‘hy, in fitteen days more Ill be iree and footloose; wheeling that barrow feels a reas deal better than being Governor.’ Why, ere’s * A MODERN CINCINNATUS, thonght your correspondent, and hence “we'll have no more of him.” Waiting until he had quietly seated himself for rest on a chair, whose bottom was made of the skin of a deer interwoven lattice-like, the HERALD interviewing process was begun on the Indian question, and in this case, as wito silent Presidents, tacitarn Senators and mo- rosely sullen Cubinet officers, the result proved a success, but with much less dificulty. It evolved the Governor’s views fully and candidly as to the best way of managing the warlike and hosttle In- dians, AN INDIAN’S POLICY FOR HIS PEOPLE. In reply to the question, “What do you think is the most proper and efficacious method of bring- ing the troublesome and dangerous Indians under control ?” he said :. “Why, there are two plans, according to my conviction and knowledge of their nature. The first 18 to take away all their wives, children and squaws; remove them to the States, within the limits of civilization, upon pullic or government grounds. You have to support them on the Plains and reservations where you find them now, and you would only be at the same expense at any other place to which they may be removed. This action would to a great extent intimidate and awe the young braves and warriors, and they wouid not be so willing to go on the warpath without their women, Besides this, it would set them to thinking bpd them under bonds for their good behavior, and the prospect of being forever sepa- rated irom the only element of life they are strongly attached to, and which toa small degree humanizes them, would so prostrate and uuman shem by such an overwhelming and irresistible argument as to make them feel through the strong voice of nature that they must belave themselves, and ven according to Soe soem ot ae ia jew years; ought igable and the gondute of the wild Yada warranted it, the females and children could be restored to them, but not until they had become convinced that the government was in downright earnest and meant to do everything it said,”” “Another way to subdue the Indians,” said the Governor as he assumed an air of determination and his voice betokened great emphasis, “would be to give them a first rate, thorough thrashing, and make them understand, that what they now believe in, viz., their ability to contend with and overpower the whites is sheer absurdity and folly on their part. After this they couid be kept in fear and quiet. But the policy of THE PEACE COMMISSIONERS and Quakers, while itis good so Jar as intention oes, 8 a simple abuse, and misleading of the In- ian, because it encourages him to believe that he is alv ays to be propitiated in order to secure his Iriendaitp and good behavior, and that be may transgress with impunity because he will be for- ,| given and shielded by them. Congress does not seem to understand the Indian question at all, and it seems as ii their motive for action had nothin; in it but to afford 2 ph n for speculating with ani robbing from the Indian and to enable rings to get up big steals. The Indian ts @ sensible man, and when, jor the sake of making him feel good, extra- vagant and liberal promises are made to him by these peace commissioners and agents in order to secure safety to themselves and good will from him—which promises are not fulfilled in whole or in part—such @ course only exasperates him and makes him lose all confidence in the white man, finally constituting him as his enemy by reason of what looks to the Indian as bad faith. it is all non- sense ever to expect it to be possible to reduce the wild Indian to a state of civilization. He may be Kept on reservations under strong guard by makiog him work jor his Own sustenance, but pro- vision should be made to give him permission, at the proper time, to go eut on the nunting grounds, exacting guarantees from the chiefs oF primatpal men Of @ tribe thus allowed to go on @ unt for its good conduct and prompt return to the place of his restraint. The hunt is part of their nature and must be borne in mind. The Quakers and gentlemen of the Peace Commission can accomplish nothing until the wild Indians have reached the process of transition from their Hatural tastes to the condition of forming others ana of being held in restraint by their fears of a strong power to keep them in cneck.”” Considering that these e: ions are from a nuine and full-blooded Indi ud one who has common feeling of friendiiness and good will for them, they afe entitied to high reg and seem to be worthy of recognition in the nosis of this vexatious evil of the ever-re- curring hostility of the Indian, Besides tt wiil be observed that one of the remedies proposed is in accordance with the iaguuy Intrusted to your correspondent by the itor of the HERALD, and the other comports fully with General Sheridan’s firm and avowed method of dealing with the nuisance in question. After these and other views, too fully expressed to be here treated at length now, the more pleasant deductions of the Governor as to his lenure of office being discussed were an- nounced by him, with much satisiaction, to result from the fact of his deteat AT THE ELECTION HELD YESTERDAY for the Chie! Executiveship of the Chickasaw Nation; and though having been elected for the fifth term, he is rather unlike bis more dis- tinguished military prototype, General Grant, who has not yet announced himself as averse to @ third term. But Governor Harris at his Executive man- sion is much unlike, though an admirer of the silent Chief at the White House. The formes, with @ splendid farm, over 10v head of horses and ponies and from 300 to 400 head of cattle, is affable and free in his communications, aud. alter he has attended to his farm work and chores, takes his seat calmly on his 200 foot shady, cool porch, and will address himseif to the affairs of State or the discussion of the Indian question without reserve, a8 occasion or circumstance may require, his eldest daughter, a beautiiul, well educated, charm- ingly modest young maiden of tWenty summe: educated in Texus, acting a8 his amanuensis an private secretary. This Executive neither drinks nor smokes, and with one, like your correspon- dent, familiar with Washington affairs, the reflec- tion naturally arises, “Low well it would be if this were the case with all Executives?” A glance at ([ndian affairs in this Nation and the Choctaws. stitution and @ general prevalence of pe: ful pursuits under a legisiative government— will reveal the fact tat, like their wilder breturen of the Plains, they have been recipients of the abuse and unjust conduct of our national Legislature and the officials of the government at Washington. By the terms of # treaty with the United States government made and concluded April 28, 1866, accepted July 2, 1866, and proclaimed July 10, 1866, the Choctaws and Chickasaws ceded to the United States the territory west of 98 degrees west longitude for fore which was to be invested and held by the United States, in trust, at an interest nut less than five per cont, ‘This in- terest has never been paid, though the claim has been placed in the hands of and urged by J. H. B. Latrobe, a distinguished Baltimore attorney, whois to receive 60 per cent of the amount recovered from the United states, Other obligations of the Land Office in giving grants of lana and patents there- for, in the sectionizing and allotment of the lands in geveralty, under the system of the United States, as provided for in the treaty of April, 1866, nave been utterly ignored, and this, it appears. is be- cause the “eternal nigger” has crept in to fill up a q of outiee hiatus, which bas been variously y | sdpéringuce A LOBBY INDIAN at Washington, named Boudinot, claiming to rep. resent the Choctaw Nation, but having no con- nection with nor authority from them, aided by @ certain white man hailing from the Chickasaw Neuen gine Dr. J. D. Moet Poss of whom, in J pursuing their Q' schemes in Congress 1p con- heetion with the Yodian fobby and rag at Wash | Ington, have cunningly devised legisiation of a heartiess character for the negro, with the aim of pandermg to the views of extreme radicals, in order thereby the more easily, to secure special | legisiauon to advance their own selfish ends. Itis freely zaid that should Boudinot make his ap- pearance in the Choctaw Nation, which he has | not done for years, he would be sure to suffer | Immediate assassination. ‘Thus, though peace- ful and LAW ADIN these two Indian na- tions, who have een always iriendly to the United States, are in a state of demoralization, and frequent complaints im the premises are made to your correspondent all through these nations on this head from the time one strikes the Indian ‘Territory on the Missouri, Kansas and Texas road, During the latter part of last session of Congress this same Indian ring above referred to might | have been seen in caucus planning the “big steals’” | they have in hand and which they came near con- summating but for the influence of the NEw YORE HERALD exposures and watchiuiness. Alter de- moralizing a House of Representatives and their Committee on Indian Aftairs, using ex-members of Congress, late of the southern Coniederacy, who were brought into requisition to work the House, as they had access to the floor, thanks to Senators | Buckihgham, Bogy and Wright, of the | Senate Committee on indian Affairs, the. | were thwarted in their $2,000,000 steal, an the abortion of an organization jor Territorial government, to be known as Oklohoma, which | does not, a8 was presented and urged by this | Indian ring, reflect the views of those Indian nations which are to compose jt and to be governed by its provisions. Would :t not be well, Much more apprupriate and much more safe ior the Indian Peace Commissioners to address them- | selves to the task of correcting these abuses here, | comparatively so near at home and of such long standing to the discredit of the United States, rather than reach so lar to do good, where there | are not so many and such strong claims? Would not the effect of this also spread among the Indians, and be conveyed to the wild claimants for consideration, though not so well entitied to | it? Had Congress not better discharge ita duty ip | this respect and redeem its honor by straighten- | ing out the Indian Department and CRUSHING OUT THB IDLE VAGABONDS at Washington who iatten on the government, | ostensibly through the Indian manipulations, but which, 1 examined, will be seen to prove bué an indirect manner o! filching from the United states Treasury airect? Almost everything connected witn the Indian question is misunderstood at Washington, and it will devolve on the HERALD to have the abuses corrected by throwing light on the dark ways and cunning devices of those who form the make-up of villanies committed under the protection and encouragement of the United States, The hostile Indians are reported to have ap- peared in @ section thirty miles this side of Fort Sil, through which your correspondent will (te alone during the next iorty-eight ours and report the actual state of facts. Among the most desperate and determined ot the, warlike chieis Lone Wolf and Kicking Bird are represented to have taken their last stand. The former 18 said to have remarked, on day be- fore yesterday, toa stage driver with whom your correspondent spoke, that he “nad been playing white man long enough; he was going to be an In- dian now.” Kicking Bird ts said to be one of their best generals and military strategists, and that he cannot be caught, even if he be surrounded by troops. The effect of pitting negro soldiers, as is done in the use of the Tenth cavalry, against the | Indians, is loudly protested against im the In- dian country here as being very bad Poly; | Several of the negroes have deserted and others continue to follow them. The latest poiioy of General Sheridan is shown in @ despatch to Colonel Davidson, at Fort Sill, Which directs that he “pitch into the Indians and, give them a sound thrashing.” Reports are cur rent here, also apparently reliable, to the effect that several Indians have leit Fort Sill to join those on the warpath, and it is believed that } owing to the insufliciency of United States troops the Indians will have a temporary advantage and give great trouble. Other reports, again, say that there is more smoke than fire in the Indian ques- tion. An investigation made at Fort Sill (which your correspondent will apply himself to at once) Will, 11 i8 expected, develop more facts of the present and the probabilities of the future. * THE WIND RIVER TROUBLES. Oman, August 19, 1874. Ever since Captain Bates made his attack on the mixed band of Sioux, Cheyennes and Arapahoe Indians, at the head of Powder River, on the 4th of July, there has been anxiety avout the settle- ments im the Wind River country. Bates’ fight, although well planned and bravely contested, was at besta drawn battle, owing to the cowardice and treachery of his Indian allies, the Shoshone | ‘scouts. Of these ne had 154, and on them he largely depended for success in his attack on the hostile village. But the Shoshones would not go forward into the fight, and confined their opera- tions to stealing ponies, while the brunt of the battie fell upon Bates, his little company of thirty regulars and four or five citizens. They fought gallantly, but what could thirty-five men do against 300 savages, strongly posted behind rocks? Bates went ahead until several of his men had been killed and wounded and one of his best oml- kt (Lieutenant Young) shot down, and then, gee THE INDIAN ALLIES WOULD NOT SUPPORT HIM, and that it would cost nim half of his little com- mand to carry the ridge alone, if indeed it could be done at ail, he very prudently withdrew. The pavers have made out this battle a great victory, ut it was nosuch thing. Our officers and troops behaved well and did all men could do, but they were largely outnumbered and _ gi: to get away. ‘The bravery of their conduct 1s attested yy the jact that 360 Indians were attacked by less than fifty soldiers, and driven out of their cawp with a loss of 200 ponies. Bates thinks ho killed fifty Indians, and the Indians have since ad- mitted a loss of seventeen warriors, and several more wounded so they would die, If the Shos- hone allies of the troops had behaved well and supported the regulars, hardiy a hostile Indian would have escaped to tell the tale of the battle. As it Mey 8 300 stalwart bucl well armed and thirsting for revenge, were left to renew their depredations on the settlements. That Bates had struck the band a terrible blow is evidenced also by the fact that they allowed aim to retreat for two days; and did mot follow him or attempt to & back the 200 ponies he was driving with But the troops had not been long in THE WIND RIVER VALLEY before the enemy recoversd irom his demoraliza- tion and camie down to seek revi . Meantime General Ord had ordered Major vid Gordon, Second United States cavalry, to d River with a iresh com) Bates. The Shoshone Indians, ashamed of their re- cent cowardly tags rallied, and were anxious to renew the fight. The host Indians moved about the country for some time, but, seeing that y clo! watched by the Shoshone ; scouts and that new troops were coming into the country, they made haste to betake themseives into the mountains without attempting to strike the settlements or friendly Indians, it is expected, however, these Indians, who — who have been disgraced by Bates’ attack wil! nog Jong remain idle. General Ord, commanding the’ Depar:ment of the Platte, has determined not to rive them a chance to ince down upon the set- jements and murder @ lot more peupie, but te tollow them up into THEIR MOUNTAIN FASTNESSRS and kill or drive them out. To thigenda formide able command has been ort id under charge Of Colonel Mills, of the Third United States cavairy, and it is now marching to the Indian country. The Ime of march is from Rawlins, on the Union Pacific Ratiroad, 709 miles west of Omaha, to the’ Sweetwater Valley and thence to Wind River. The command 1s poreed to consist of Mills’ own company o! the Third cava! one company of the Thirteenth United States infantry and oue company: of the Fourth United States infantry. On the a River they will be joined by Captain Bates’ vom- pany. Major Gordon's company Second United tates cavalry, Captain Torrey'’s compal Thir- teenth United States intantry and thirty-five Shoshone Indian scouts. The command be supplied with three months’ rations, and will push into the Indian country. They will scout Tx the Sweet Water, Popoagies, Wind Rivers, Pow-' der River and Big Horn, the two latter bel Red Cloud’s country. If the hostile Ara and Cheyennes, who will be pushed off ee ‘head of Powder River, where they live, can get 200 or’ 300 of Red Cloud's young men and Northern In< dians to join them, 4 will be likely to give Mills @ fight. Their prospect of succe wever, would be slim even if they di fight; for, besides having to meet six well, discipline: sornenion of regular troops, they are open constantly to attacks irom 1,700 ‘shoshone- and Bannock Indians and 2,000 Crow Indians, who hate the Sioux most bitterly, and let no opportu- nity pass for hitting them a blow. As to the Chey- enne and Arapahoe branches of the Northern hostile tribes, they got ALL READY FOR WAR this year, and did @ vast deal of howling and dancing, but at the jast moment they seem to thought better of it, and, like a certain great, king, marched up the hill only to march down again. The following despatch, received at the departments headquarters in this city yesterday trom General Mason, command at Fort Fetter- man, indicates that the Powder River Cheyenne and Arapahoes are ifciined to peace:— Forr Futrenwan, Wy. T., August 16, 1874, Groncx D, Ruaaies, Assistant Adjutant General, De- artmen ie A Cheyenne half breed, from Powder River, reports council of Cheyenues and Arapahoes it was aboes that at ecided to recall all hostile parties irom the vicinity. the railroad and retaru to the ayency; that about lodges of she Cheyennes passed t north, 91 this post on Friday, en roue to the agency 100 lodges of Arapahoes would tollow in @ day or tweg that they were very hungry and eating their horses. ON 3, MASO. Lieutenant Colonel Fourtn Infantry, Commanding. As these very Indians have charged up to them the murder of lorty-two white men, women and cmidren in Wyoming Territory, it remains to be seen whether General Ord Will call back hi troops. It is not at ail likely he will do so, and the Indians are in the condition reported it is @ most favorable opportunity to strike and puniet them for their misdeeds, extending over a perior of four years, THE SIOUX COOLING DOWN. Oana, August 20, 1874, Captain Jorden, who came down from Red vloud Agency to Omaha on a visit to his family, reports the Ked Cloud Indians quiet and thoroughly sub- dued in spirit. He says the Indians now are only apprehensive lest they be caught between tha forces of General Ord and General Custer and crushed, Custer was reported in the Black Hills, about 100 miles north of Fort Laramie, and the Indians were very tearful lest he should turn east and come down upon them. Their apprehensions were greatly increased @ few days ago by the ap< pearance of a courier from Custer bearing des patches to the commanding officer at Fort Lara« mie, They at once’ surmised that they contained plans for a general attack on them, and wera very restless and unbappy until assured that Custer would go back to the Missouri without visiting Laramie. SAD DISAPPOINTMENT OF THE INDIANS. General Ord had sent a company of the Third United States cavalry, under command of Lieuten< ant Lawson, to find anew road from Sidney, on the Union Pacific Railroad, to Whetstone Agency, and when the Indians heard of these troops im their rear they became greatly excited, mistaking Lawson’s advance for Custer. They promptly prox | pared to resist the cavalrymen, and at one time. | had Lawson surrounded; but he soon convinced! them that he was not Custer bent ona vioody War, but only @ peaceable party hunting @ new road over which to haul Indian supplies. The dis- covery was most agreeable to the Indians, wha thought they were in for a sound drabbing, whicty they all know they richly deserve. Captain Jorden came back from Whetstone to Sid- ney with Lawson’s command, and says the road by the new route is ninety-one miles nearer and much better and emoother than by the old : ‘The old route is set down as follows:—From Chey- enve to Laramie, uinety-flve miles; from Laramie to Red Cloud, eighty-one miles; from Red Cloud ta Whetstone, forty miles; total, 216 miles—while the whole distance from ‘Whetstone to Sidney, on the Union Pacific Railroad, is but 125 miles, and 100 miles of rail transportation will be saved be- sides. LOCATION OF THE TRIBES. It must be remembered that Red Cloud is where Red Cloud’s bands of lala Sioux live, and Whet« stone is where Spotted Tail’s bands of Brule ge live. The Ogalalas are set down at. 4%, souls and the Brules number These two bands do not the Sioux, but there are vast herdes unde! different names—the Ponca, Yancton, Sisseton, Uncapapa, Tetin and Wahpetin being the princi- pal bands. The great Sioux family still represents some 30,000 to 45,000 soula and can muster 6,008 able-bodied warriors. At times Red Cloud’s bands swell from the nomadic tribes of the North to 10,000 people and again decrease to 6,000, It is fair to estimate that his influence extends over 10,000 Indians, and with his allies he could muster 3,000 to 4,000 warriors. These Red Cloud Indians boasted no white sol. diers should come upon their reservation and live J but when they murdered Lieutenant Robinson,. last spring, and General Ord ordered the troops to’ ; cross the North Platte River and tnvade the Indiaw Territory the Indians took themselves offin a hurry, and from the hills watched the long lines of cay- alry, infantry and wagons wind over their coun, try, As they saw miles of horses, wagons, soldiers on foot and on horseback, marching down upon shetr vill they became alarmed and hastened into the until their treaty men could allay the storm they had raised. But the storm would not down at their bidding, and the grim old warrior, General Smitn, who had warned Red Cloud to be- ware of what he was doing, and who in reply hag been told in his own office at Laramie by tha haughty Jndian to cross the reservation line tt he dared, now sent word to Red Cloud to COME ON AND FIGHT. The chief did not come, however, put skalkea @way and waited for the troops to return to Lar- amie. But the troops did not return to Laramie, and instead sent for sixty aays’ rations and made @ permanent camp close to the ag dians were amazed and too late saw the four of thetr course in be | armed men into thei country. They knew bullying would not do an began to beg General Smith to go back to Laramie with his soldiers, and they would behave and murder no more white men or steal cattle. Tha General, however, remained in his cam turned @ deaf ear to all their entreaties. He ni ongat with them jor two years to behave and not it his bg people, and now, no one but themselves his presence in their country. told his people it wouid be ali right ently the soldiers would go away; out when they saw the soldiers begin to fell trees and lay foundations they said, ‘These people have come here to live, and they are going to build forts an occupy our country.” d Cloud roused him- self and began to hint at vast bands irom the North who were coming down to drive out tha soldiers, but in the midst of his bi suddenly heard, not of Indians coming to his assistance from the North, but of Custer and his bold riders. The wily chief had sent out one of bis subor- dinates ostensibly to hunt, but no doubt to arouse, the northern oands, and this chief (Stabber) Custer’s men caught and killed while nis followers fied back to Red Cloud. One Indian had boasted: that if any soldiers came into iB IN TH or inside the agency 8 and forthwith the soldiers Indian cam said, they blame for Red Cloud id that pres- not onl but to the stockade, Indian who had made the threat, and inte! junting tor t nding to; arrest him and carry him to the rd house. Every Indian vigorously denied that he such disrespectiul and insubordinate lan; nited States or their represent again di and appealed to the militar, assist in securing him; but loud would not delive! him. No sooner, however, had the soldiers cat than Lieutenants Ray (Eighth infantry) and Craw: ford (Third cavalmy) learned of the whereabou! of the mi and, with only three soldiers assist them, rode over tnto the indian camp al took the murderer. He endeavored to escape b: jumping, ovat @ blu, but the soldiers promptiy: red a SHOT THE VILLAIN DOWN, and then, loading nim into an ambulance, carried him back all bleeding to their cam) the. Indians ‘pat charges: into thelt guns ‘ad crowded about the ami jee, but the soldiers ana Peace who know nothing the ian charac; ter can be kept out a little while, and the In be left to the. management of our ofjcers of th army, they will soon be taught obedience to the government and to remain at home quietly upom ’s diag- | pride themselves on their Sgbting quaiities and | their reservations,