The New York Herald Newspaper, July 27, 1874, Page 2

2 NEW YORK HERALD, MONDAY, JULY 27, 1874—WITH SUPPLEMENT. Mr. Beecher to Mr. Bowen ? your question in my own way. the truth and not fragments of the truth, Mr. Kowen Wanted me to speak more in the paper of Viyinouth caurch., Mr, Jonnson said, “Perhaps Mr. fiiton Nas @ reason for not going to Plymouth ure.” And thereupon Mr. Bowen was curious snow the reason, 1, in a solitary plrase, said the e Was & personal, domestic reason why I | not go. there consistently with my self -that Mr, Beecher had been unhandsome spproaches Lo my wile, That is the suur stance of all T have ever said on this sup- to [he very few people to whom | bave spoken A. leame to tell you ON THE RACK Theodore Tilton’s Terrible Cross-Examination. t resi st ‘as on that Occasion that you agreed upon I mast answer | aera a er which demapded Mr, Beecher to leave the pu t A. Yes, sir, that was the precise occa- sion TWO DAYS OF ACONY. “0! you tnink tnat was on the 26th of December ¢ A. L have no recollection of dates; the oniy identi- ne os ication that C have Mi iny mind is that it Was near , u were you dismissed from the Union? A. e last Bight of the year, 1 tank. 2. The sist, was it? A. Yes, sir, . When did you first learn that Mr. or Mrs. had in’ any Way communicated tacts to ywen Which inflamed Mm in the matter of A. | learned that irom Mr, Beecher on the day after his apology was writ- was the 2d, possibly the 3a, of Janu- 18 in Mr,’ Moulcon’s front toom; Mr, The Grand Inquisitor’s Reasons for Publication. TILTON STANDS BY HIS STORY. her came in, It was au unexpected veeiug; he burst out in an expression cai sorrow to me, and said he hoped — * e communication which he had sent. to ve Mr. Moulton was satisiactory to me; he len and there told Mr. Moulton he nad done Further Rhapsody Over Eliza- beth’s Virtues. not So much as Some others had (reierring Wile, who lad made statements to Mr. that ought to be unmade), and he there ered to write a letter to Mr. Bowen con ubg the tacts which he had misstated, * - ) DO you Say that that was the first time that i kueW that Mx. Beecher or Mrs, Beecher had a NKLE x ivcu Me, Bowen any imormation or had had any THE sk 4+ Couversalion with dim on the subjectr A. Yes, sir; | did not Know that Mr. Beecher had given Dy oe Mr. bowen any such information; Mrs. Tiiton had iutim@ated to me that there was something, ae Bad 4 Q. When did dirs, Tilton intimate that to you? A. oe | F; femory in December she told me of visits which Mrs. A Pecutiarly ae 9 + hud made to ker and of testimony which . 2s y Wanted to eet. | for Dates. (: What time in December? A. Ido not know. | Q. Was it beiore or after the publication of your | a valedictory in the Independent? A. 1 do notre. member; Mrs, Tilton arone tomea Bae peal times aT (ie enmity which Mrs. Beecner nad tom some THE BEDROOM MEETING. strange reason connected with Mrs. Morse (hrs liltou’s mother); there was a conspiracy between m3 Mrs. Morse and Mrs, Beecher before September; the truth is that Mrs. Tilton’s confession Was made aiso to her mother, and the mother naturally wanted to protect the danguter, and she made a Kind of alltunce with Mr, Beecher, and Mrs, cber took part in it; there was a desire on ir part to protect Biizabeth, Q Yous y that Mrs. Tilton referred some time He Gives Mr. Beecher the “ Ben- efit of a Doubt.” in Deceniber to the jact that Mrs, Beecher nad in- r terfered in your matters’ A. Not that she had in- ITA) tericred in My matters, but that Mrs. Morse and MORE ABOUT “MUTUAL” MOULTON, icc<"itccned were couvaguing Moyers’ and reference to me, - Q Are you able to fx that date? A. It was many times. y Kiev - fabiy Q Was any of it before the 22d of December, History of Mrs. Tilton’s Write | mix's uy A. Yes, I thunk early in tue summer, but do vot know, j Q. Any time in December was Mrs. Tilton ten Confession. separated irom you with her tamily ? A. Not that lremember; Mrs, Tilton went a 1ew weeks to make oe ” @ Visit at her mother’s, (. Do you remember the occasion of sending for " “OTINTR DR. ACCTICA TION wile to come to the Union office while she THE COUNTER-ACCUSATIONS. yas separated irom you? A. ies, sue was at her mothe ees 4. Do you remember telling her that you were bout to be dismissed trom the Union, and that she must return to you and live with you to pre- Yent 1? Did you tell her anytuing of thaty A, Not a shadow; iv would have made no diilereace one way or the ether. | | Q. Did you on that day send a letter by a ser- vant by the nume of Ellen, directing the persou in Whose house she was to return your children to your hous sencer A. 1 do not recollect it; Mrs, the children, and | told Ellen Dennis to bring them home; lao not remember the time, q. luc you send a note by her? A. I sent quite a eremptory message. And the chiidren came? A, Yes, or were brought; L tlink there was only one. «. Did your wife come lJate in the evening after b A. 1 do not remember: I think L went Dramatic Denials, Fierce Defiance and Savage Threats. ‘I HAVE ACT D LIKE A FOOL” TILTONS CROSS-EXAMINATION. at Mr. Sage’s Leiter. beth, and toid her she was domg Mr. Tilton’s direct testimony having been pub- wrong in staying away; Lhave mo distinct recol- lished without the Knowle or consent of the ‘ection ol so many deta Q. How long rthat return was it that this tement, woich you say sue made, and which u= piaced iu Mr. Moulton’s uands, Was written ? . | donot know; Ihave no means of knowfng; Committee of Investigation, and fragmentary and inaccurate reports of his testimony under cross. eXamipation having been publisied, by means un- Sabena P : the date of her giving toe letter tor the interview Kuown to the con-mittee ard without its consent, with Mr. Beecher 1 think was on the 29th u! De- | whereby tt is said that Mr. ‘Tilton feels that injus- , cember. tice has been done to him, it ts believed that in | |, The object of giving the letters was to bring about an int lew between you and Mr. Beecuer tairness to ail parties the who of Mr. ‘Tilton’s tes- tuat there might be a reconciliation, aod that timony should be made public at once. Mr. Beecher might aid in saving you trom dis- H. W. SAGE, Chairman, imissai trom the Independent?” “A. No. Mrs. P Stk ee eee ee ‘Tilton thought that my retirement from the papers Bnoi July 25, 1874. 4 due in some way to Mr. and Mrs. Beecher, he thought as Iwas very indignant against Bowen, unless there Was some reconciliation tween Mr, Beecher and myself, her secret would be exposed, and she begged’ me ‘to have an inter- view wits lim, and wrote a note to that elfect. Q. Have you that notey A. I decline to an- swer. Q. Will you produce it? A. 1 decline to an- swer, I decline to answer because you know the fact a ready. 4. You Say that note was written on the 29th day of December?’ A. I think there 1s a record on tue suoject here (in the statement which he had read) somewhere, The Cross-Examination, BROOKLYN, July The committee met at eight members were present. Mr. Tilton was present with a written statement. A preliminary conver- sation took ploce between the commnuttee and Mr. Tilton as to the wisdom of publishing his state- ment and in regard to his willingness to submit toa cross-examination. He claimed tnat, while they had a right to make such use as they pleased of their copy of saia statement, he had tae same right with respect to his copy, and expressed his willingness to submit to such cross-examination, but requested that he might not be mterrupted untilhe |.ad read the statement through, He then 0, 1874, All the ovclock. youto tlien’ Do you think that had a date at- tached which would fix the time? A. I do not know; Lremember Klien to have had something to do with the return of one of the cuildren; { tink tint uote Was written to Mrs. Morse. Q. Was not the subject or the interview between read the ment, Wich has aiready been pub- | yon and Mr. Beecher for the purpose of inducing lishec im iull in the iteRaip, him to aid in preventing your dismissal? A. No Alter the reading o! the statement another brief | more toun it had with tos investigation; the sole conversation ensued on the snbject of its publica- | purpose of that interview was this, Mrs. Tilton uon, the commit Suggesting that it would be | jeit that Mr, Beecher andl were in danger of wise to pustpone such puviication until after all the testimony should ve heard, and Mr. filton de- clining to be restricted in the mat ‘The cross- examination of Mr. Tilton then proceeded. H Geueral Tracy—Are you able to give the date of coming into collision; for her sake, at her request, Mrs, Tilton, Q. lt was two days before your final dismissal, and pending the questiow’ whether you shouid be the transaction which you say you witnessed at retaiued or not? A. My cismissal irom the Union Mr. Beecher’s house at the timé of the examma- | came after that interview; 1t took effect the last tion oi the engraving? A. I cannot state the date. | night of the year; my interview with Mr. Beecher Q. At the time you received the information you | had nothing to do with that. speak of irum your wile you were the editor of the Independent aud of the Brooklyn Cnion, I beieve? | pending the question of whether you would be dis- By Mr, Hill,—Can you refer to @ note written by + I had this interview; it Was solely in reiereuce to | By General Tracy—It was two days before it, and | A. Iwas. Missed or retained, was it not A. No, sir; these Q. Did your wife continue to attend Plymouth | documents themselves. 1 think, show that ‘my in- eburch alter that iniormation’ A. Yes, that | terview with Mr. Beecher was alter my dismissal was in the summer time; she went into the voun- | from the Unio: try and was absent a long time; asulways | Q, That interview was on the 29th, and your dis- | continued toattend once member of Pmouth church. Q. Did sue attend regulariy atter returning from the country? A. No, sir; she attenaed occasion- ally lor communion service, and would steal in quietly at the corner 1 the building so as to be un- isa | Was on the dist. Then that tnterview was your dismissal, and pending the question woetner you would be retained or dismissed, was 1 not? “A, The question of my dismissal was de- cided in the fash of an ey 1 never knew that there Was any such question; I, two or three days observed. previous to the interview with Mr. Beecher, had Q. Previous to announcing your discovery or filled up contracts, one to be editor of the Union pretended at ry to Mr. Beecher you wad fallen | tor five years and the other to be cuuef contributor Into trouvies with Henry C, Bowen, had you uot? | oi the Independent, and there was no pending A. Yes, si question. . How long before? A. Two days. Q. Was not your contract to be editor of the . You bad ceased to be the editor of the Znd@e Union ior live years, and to be chief contributor of pendent You made this announcement? | the Judependent, sigved previous to the publica- A. No, § to be the editor of the /nde- n of your valedictory in the Independent? A. pendent on the of January, Were signed very hear that time. Q. Was not iblished on the 22d Q. Was not the interview at which Mr. Johnson of Decembe gagement ende Was present at Mr, Bowen’s house on the 26thof on the 3st. be A. Yes, sir. Q. Had you not ered into a contract with Mr. Q. Toe interview with Mr. Beecher was onthe | Bowen to be tr editor om audcon- | 29tn’ A. [cannot say precisel | 4. Your final dismissal irom the Union was on the sist? A. [cannot say yes, unless the letters Will show. | «. Will you tellus why it was that having been possessed of this tuformaon tor 6X montos With | out aby desire to Communicate it to Mr. Beecher, vere seized With a desire to communicate that | ormation to lit on or avout the 29cm of _Decem Yes, sir; because Mra. Tilton jeared tha tributor to the Jndepe announcement to Mr discovery, and had not moralities on your part to break the engageme not. Q Did Le not make suct you, and did not you and he apyo ing at his house, When, in the presenc tmude avy $ pretended en did in amut friend, the allegations against you should be | My Mr. ‘Bowen and | were im danger of stated, and you should make an explanation, and | such a clash’ and collusion that the family secret did not you meet in the presence of a mutual | would de exposed, and felt that there was a neces- friend for that purpose’ No, sir ; . dobn- | sity for conciliation, and she begged and gon wished me, about Christmas’ time Mr. | prayed n ve reconciled with Mr. Beecher; and Bowen ; he said there was some story afloat co on her account and for her sake I said 1 would cerning Me; i think Christiwas was Sunday and { | have an interview with him. went to see him on Monday; we had W words |. Wal you explain why the difeulty you had concerning the matter did not telime what with Mr..Bowen in regard to the /ndependent and the story Was; | said, “If there is any story afloat | the Unon would involve the Necessity o1 your ex- bring the author of it here and let us see What it | posing the jamily seeret which you obtaiged trom is; we then went on in versation concern- Mrs. Iilton six months betore? Q. It was not ing Mr. Beecher. through iear of my exposing It; Morse and Q. Did not you and Mr. Bowen meet on that day, | Mrs. Beecher were sometimes in collision, and and did not Mr. Bowen begin to repeat the | Mrs. Tiiton ys made me believe that Mr. charges against you, and did pot you, while listen- | Beecher knew this secret, until in December, when ing to those « break out against the Re she told me, | took tt lor granted, all summer long, that she nad what she ty old him what she had told me, and Henry Ward Bee A. 1 did not; I never heard 1 told her mother, and I supposed that of those charges until after that interview, when Mr. Bowen weut irom it to bear the letter to Mr. | Mra. Becher Was co-operating with Mrs. Morse. Beecher; I never knew that Mr. Beecher or Mrs. | Q. Did you complain of Mr. Beecher tor not aid- Beecher’ had anything to do With Mr. Bowen's | ing you to remain in the Jndependent? A. NO, sit} feelings I would have scorned tt. Q. Did not you make an allegation against Mr. Q. You have read Mr, Wilkeson’s statement? A. Beecher? A. No, sir; after Mr. Johnsou-weut out | I have not. he made an allegation | &. You know Samuel Wilkeson® A, Yes. Q. Did not you make an allegation? A, I did | Did you say to bim avout that time that M toward the end of the interview, her iad no’ beirtended you in that matt Q. You made a very ay i allegation to Mr, . 1 did not, and Mr. Wilkeson will not dare to say Bowen, cid you not, against Mr. Beecher, of the | that under oath. onence that he lad committed against your A. | Q. You say you never complained of Mr. Beecher Yes. % | for not helping you’ A. No, not for not helping . It was On that occasion, was it not, that the | me, but for being unjust to me and saying that 1 letter was agreed upon verween you and Mr, | ouglit to be turned out; Lunderstood that he said Bowen demanding that Mr her should quit | to Dr, Spear that they were going to have Mr, Til- Plymouth puipity A. | rememver a letter ton out of the Jndependent; Mr. Charies Briggs Q. Was it on that occasion that that letter was | told me that; be said, “I know something about agreed upon between you and Mr. bowen this thing; | heard some such thing. Yes, it was. y You say t Mr, Beecher apologized and Q, And was that agreement the result of hfs | that you accepted the apology’ A. Tread the ac- statement of the offences against Mr. Beecher count of that in the document. which he and you knew ol’ A, On the partoi Mr. q. Did you, or did you not, a8 @ matter of fact, accept Lie apology Which Mr. Beecner made, and torgive the offence? A. | accepted the apology and forgave the offence with as much largeness as Bowen, yes, Q On your part? he made many. A. I made one statement and | blot this out, you have no interest to keep it afloaty’? | | my wile; I said that i would sign it twenty times | | A Q. Dia you or not, after or about the time of the tripartite agreement, express friendly sentiments iu regard to lim ’ A. I have taken pains to make 1C appear in all quarters that Mr, Beecher and I 4 were not in hostility, and I have suppressed my | Q. What did you mean by saying, after that | seifrespect many times in doing it, apology was made, that you desired to see Mr. Q. Did you ever state this offence of Mr, Beecher , Beecher protected, rather than harmed, for his as committed against you to Mr. Storrs + A. 1 ollence against you? A. So I did. never did. | Q. Do you mean to say that tiat sentence ex- | Q, Was it ever stated in your Fistence to him ? | pressed your real feelings toward a man Who, you A. No, sit; he read @ statement that Mrs, Jilton , believed, had seduced your wife? A. Yes; 1 was made and that I hetped her to make. | under obligation; I lad taken his apology and | Q. Did you go with her when she made that had given my word that I would not have him ex- | statement to Dr. Storrs? A. I did not. | Posed, Q. Did you ever state or read to Dr. Storrs any | Q. Is it your sentiment that that 1s an offence for Statement of the offences which you charged Which one man can apologize to another? A. I against Mr. Beecher’ A, No; I siowed Dr. Storrs know there is @ code of honor among gentlemen | a letter which Elizabeth and myself wrote and that @ man cannot condone such an offence; but I which | still preserve; Mr. Carpenter.and I went Cannot see what offeuce a man cannot torgive, to Dr. Storrs as counsellor; my intention was to Where an apology is made by the pe ‘von commit: have Euzaveth go, but sue preierred to write a ting it to the per-on against whom It isjcommitted; few lines, if a man believes in the Christian religion ue ought Y You took what she wrote and what you to; I sometimes forgave and sometimes I did not; I helped her to write to Dr, Storrs and showed it to do know the line of difference. | him asthe statement of the offence which you Q Is that your haudwriting (showing a slip of | tharged Mr. Beecher with? A, No, I did not paper on which was writien “H. W, B.—Grace, | charge Mr. Beecher with any ofence at all. merey and peace. Sunday morning. T.1."’ A. I | Q. Tam trying to get ‘at what offence you remember that; one morning Mr. Beecher met me Stated aguinst Mr. Beecher, A, Elizabeth stated in the street and told me how much pleasure it they were friendly in the sense that we were not in collision with each other, Q. Were they not those of friendship? A. No, they were not. that, Be him; I have sent kindlier things than that to Q. And you bave it and gave it to Dr. Storrs to him, | read’ A. Yes, sir, | | Q. Did you feel as you spoke? A, I did; Mr. Q. How was the offence stated? A. It began in Moulton said two or three times, “Mr. Beecher 18 this way, that on a certain day, im the summer of in great Gepression; can't you do something to 1570, she bad imiormed her husband that Mr. cheer tim ¥’; one morning | walked to the chureh Bei er had asked her to be a wile to him to- with him; in many circumstances | manilested gether with ak that this implies; she was very | feeiings ol kinduess toward him; tf would de a lie solicitous to make it appear that she did not ac- for me to say that 1 had a warm friendship for Mr. cept his proposition, and, happily, m reading it, Beecher, and that I felt as kindly to himas if the those who saw it, naturally inferred that she did offence had not been committed; it [had been a hot accept Mis proposition; it Wasa periectiy cor- man morally great, I would have blotted it out and rect Statement, trodden it under foot; | was competent to forgive Q. You ana she wrote it? in a large degree; | forgave him m my best moods, mY assistance, but at other ttmes J did not; lum nota very large Q You took that statement to Dr. Storrs, and it man, Was read by him in your presence? A, Yes, sir, | Q You have quoted extensively the letters of It was read also to Mr. Beecher? A, Lread it your wile written prior to the time you say that to him myself, Mr, Beecuer objected to it and 1 she said this intercourse began—have you not her made no iurther use ot it. | letters written to you also since that time and Q. You prepared a document, did you not, giving during that time? “A. No; because at that time | “ history o1 this case? A, No, not id this case, bul came home to be editor of the Union, aud have not ol my relations to Mr. Bowen. | lectured since, Q. It was stated in that document? A. Yes; | Q. 1 ask you whether you have not letters from this letter of Elizabeth’s was quoted in it. | her written during the time that you say this was | Q. And it was read to Dr, storrs? A. Yes. going on and since then’ A, No, not written Q. Did you also quote the letter of apology in it? | A, Just as did in the letter to Dr. Bacon? since; because 1 have uot had occasion since to have tetters; I have veen at home, Q. You quoted the apology as an apology for the Q. I understand you to say that these relations ce’ You stated and cited it as proof that he | went on during your absence; have you any letters had apologised ior t.at offence? A. Yes, | put | that were writven by your wife at that time? A. that i, not wishing to make the offence more , No. than that; [ was solicitous not to have tae worst | Q. Have you not letters from her that were writ- ol the case known. | ten to you between 1868 and 1870? A. I think 1 Q. You went voluntarily to Dr, Storrs, did you have. not? A. I did, in great distress, wanting counsel, 1 @ Will you be kind enough to produce them to Q And seas to get correct counsel you mis- the committee? A. Idu not know whether I will | Stated tue case? A. Yes, as you did in your state- | or not. mentin the Union; it was @ statement necessary | Q. Have you any letters from Mrs, Tilton com- to be made; alter Mrs. Woodhuil’s statement I was plaining to your A. Yes, | have. out of town, and the thing had fil‘d the country, Q. Have you not many letters from her stating and Mr. Beecher had taken no notice of it; it was forth her complaints and her grievances? A. No; seven or eight days old, and I went to Dr. Storrs she very rarely wrote sucu letters; she used occa- for counsel; he asked me about the story;I said, stonally to write me letters begging intercession “Do not ask me for (nat; he said, “Give me some in regard to her mother and complaining of my facts by which [ can judge: give me tuat views in theology. which can be proved ;"’ so I gave an account o1 my Q. Did you never receive letters irom her com- atfuirs very largely, about Mrs, Woodhull, and so plaining in other respects? A. In Whatrespects? on; the origin of that documept was a seeking Q. Weil, in regard to people who were in the | jor something that Woulu put beiore the public a habit of irequenting your house at your solicita- plausible answer to the Woodauti tale, ani icon- tion’ A, | Lave lad ivtters irom her mother, com- ceived that by a chain of facts we might, pernaps, oe of susan Anthony aud Mrs, Stanton; Mrs, explain itaway. Lread it to Mr. Beecher and ue ilton thought dir. Johuson and others were lead- burst into a long sigh, and I saw that he would ing me astray; she is very orthodox; and she notor could not stand upon it; and Elizaveth wrote me letters expressing strung and earnest burned It or tore It to pieces, | hopes that 1 would be intensely orthodox, Q. You showed it to others did you not? A. To 4. Did she complain of any female society on A. I think that | a few Iriends, that ground, or in any way? A, No. Q. To whom besides Dr. Storrs? YQ. Did she never complain of the presence of any I showed it to George Bell; I suowed it to one or two. ladies at your housey A. Ido not think of any. Q. Not of Mrs. Stanton nor Susan Autiony’ A, Q. Did you show it to Mr. Beccher? A. No; I think not; 1 think | showed him the document in She said she would consider it an insuit if they the tripartite contession. A. She wrote it with bone to the house; 1 do not rememoer ol any others. Q. Mrs. Woodhull came a great deal, didn’t she? ve Ki ‘. rs? Ps, aoe Re eee ae manera A. She was three times in my house, vace to meet "Q. Is’ he your personal friend? A. I used to re- | Mr. Beecuer and on two otner occasions, Q. Only three time: A. Three only. | Q. You say she came to meet Mr. Beecher? A. She aid on Sunday a te: noon at my house. Q. Do you know when that was?’ A. I think Mr, | Moulton made that interview; it must have been in 1871 or 187%, because my acquaintance with Mrs. Woodhull began in May, 1871; my impression is | that it was warm weather; Mrs, Woodhull and her | husband came; she always came with her husvand, | Q. bid pare wile complain of her being at your house? A. Yes; my wile came home, and Mra, gard tim as such, Q. You remember showing him something on this subject? A. I remember showing him the letter in proof which explained my going out ot the Indevendent and the Union; wiether i showed hin the document 1 cannot say; [showed it to a number of people,hoping tuat it would do good; but it did not, so 1t disappeared, q. You say Mr. Beecher reused to stand upon it? A. No; Mr. Moulton asked Mr, Beecher to come and ticar me read it; I ict yy hood an Pescny might not feel bad at such a document, but he Pe De, th i refused t eee aie he soated * A. Ob, nothing, except . st sions, | - Ob, aigninnera etatament ot atus onengetoas we ie | that Elizabeth expressed her indignation against drew a long sigi. . the womau; | toid Elizaveth that she was too dan- | Q. You understood him as refusing? A, No; I gerous a woman, and that too much Of the welfare | aid not understand that, ie pacea eal depended on he! Elizaveth was d abandon the d ? A. Be- Wiver than I was, stu eee Q. Did_ you excuse your acquaintance with Mrs, was there no success in it? Was it not | Woodhull to your wile by exciting her iears? A. Ldid rept ity A. Because he did ot; | explained that acquaintance; I told her the not accept or reject. it; he wanted tat no state- Way to get wlong with Mrs, Woodhull and prevent ment should be made, and so the thing was this coming out was to keep friendly with her: it buried. ue enon alee Bape then it seemed the only . Nd you ever state the offence to Dr, Bua- | thing tt . H aingtone A. I never saw bim unt within two Ch Was the time that Mrs. Tilton expressed her weeks: I heard tiathe went to see Dr. Bacon, and indignation at Mrs. Woodhull’s being at your horse I weut to see hum, the we pooch ped are pea ee uate ocanal ed | Have you not frequently asserted the purity Your Knowledge impression is taut she | oe irwifey A. tos 1 have always bad a strange 8aW her in The Golden Age office once. It may have technical use of words; I have always used words been betore or alter. I think Mrs. Woodhull came that conveyed that impression; I have taken pains 12 to see me while Mrs, Tilton was there. | to say that sie Was a devoted Christian woman; Q. With that exception, was the time when Mrs. that necessartiy carried the other; it was like the ‘Tilton expressed her indignation at Mrs. Wood- statement that [ carried to Dr. Storrs; Ido not , Dull’s being at your house the tirst time that she think he caught the idea of that statement; as he Nad seen her? A. I do not know. Oh, no; Mrs. took it Ido not think that it covered tne Whole ; I jyenaeutl and Colonel Blood had taken tea at our | have said that Elizabeth was a tender, delicate, ‘ kindly, Christian woman, which I think she ts, { Ripe ea ts Tilton came in and found her Nor Tete meen quien wm eotns Was PuESt t+ | Q. At whose invitation did they take tea there? | A. At mine. Q. Have you not stated that she was as pure as i i an ‘angel’ A. No; Mr. Halliday says 1 said that; | ws \vas,i¢ the first time Mrs, Tilton saw Mrs, 5 Woodhull? A. Ido not know. * he asked me iu Mrs. Bradshaw's presence whether | “Q. Mrs, Tilton always expressed indignation at or not | had not said tuat my wile Was as pure a8 | ner being there, did She not A. Yes, she had a gold, “No,” I said, “mr. Halliday, because the Con- | yioient reeling against her; she had a Woman's in- | Versation to which you allude was tis: Lsaid Go stinet that Mrs, Woodhull was not safe; the mis. and ask Mr, Beecher himself and he will say that | take was in not being iriendly with Blood instead Sie Is as pure as gold)" it 1s an expres-lon which of Mrs, Woodhull; that was the blunder; J was at he used: Ihave sought to give Klzabeth a good | tauit jor that; nobody else, charucter; I have always wanted 10 do so; Ithimk | “Q, pid Mrs, ‘Tilton continue her expressions of she deserves a good character; | think she is better | indignation at your acquaintance with Mrs. Woou- | than most of us—vetter than Lam; Ido not be- | nuny A. Yes; MrseTilton always felt that tne | lieve in point of actual moral goodness, barring | policy was ‘@ mistaken one of undertaking to do some drawbacks, that there is in this company so | anything with Mrs, Woodhull; Mrs, ‘Tilton objected sf NE NN es laa as Violently to my writing ihe sketch of Mrs. Woo Q. Did you not state thit, 1m substance, to one | nuil; 1 read part of it to her; Mrs, Woodhuil’s hus- or more ol the gentlemen with whom you were — hand wrote a biography about her, and wanted lunching? A. In substance, yes; and [ state it | me to rewrite it, because my style was more Vivid; now, butI did not use the phrase that she had | mrs. Tilton said she thought 1 would rue the day: never violated her chastity, she was far wiser than I was. Q. Did you not say that she was pure? A. No. Q. Then you never succeeded in convincing your Q Did ‘you not use expressions witch you in- | wile that 1x was necessary to placate Mrs, Wood: tended to be understood as Meaning the purity Of | hu? A, No, she liad the opposite opinion; Mrs. the woman? A. 1 did, exactly. ‘there are many. ‘1yjton had a strong repugnauce to Mrs. Woodnull | Ways in which you Can produce such impressions, | and to two or three other public Women—Mrs, | and Lt have written this doeument to produce the Stanton and Susan Anthony; she would not per: | hee Tee riikes | mit them to come into the house, and some of her By Mr. White—Mr. Wiikeson, in his tes imony, | jetters were very violent against them; she was | Stated in substance that he had a long conversa- frequently with them for a long time and took tion with you in regard to Mr. Beecher’s offeuces, | part with them in women’s meetings, and then ana that in answer to his inquiry as to what these She took a vioient antagonism to tuem after her | offences consisted of you said that he had made — troubles came ou. improper addresses to your wile, and that he then | Q. Did Mrs, Woodhull know of the antipathy of said to you that he had heard from another | yrs, titon toher? A. Yes; you could see it in Person whom he named to you that it referred tne woman's eves; they flashed fire; the moment to more than the implication, that it referred to | they'saw cach other their eyes Mashed fire. adultery, which you denied, Is thattrue? A. No; | Q. It was perfectly evident, then, when the wo- the conversation was about Mr. Bowen; he came | men came together, that they were thoroughly | to me with a flushed and rose-colored eulogy on | antagonistic? A. Ob, yes; thoroughly. | Mr, Beecher for me to sign; it was desired that | Q. Bitt«riy so? A. T cannot say that Elizabeth Mr. Bowen’s charges shouid be withdrawn, and 1€ | nad pitterness; she had a certain ‘strong moral Was said to me, “Suppose Mr. Bowen is willing to | ang religious repugnance. Q Did not sne discard Mrs. Woodhull’s senti- | Woodhull Woodhull and Mr, Moulton were there sitting iu | No, 1 said. “Well, it Mr. Bowen will withdraw | it oa those charges will you agree to consider them | Ments and denounce them! A. Mrs. blotted out?” Tsaid, “Certainly.” Twas exceed- | ™Y Noc'in isr2h A, This was uot in 1872; when ingly glad to have it done, lor | thought that every | wrote th: sketch of Mrs. Wooduulll she bad never eee et eT ci aeeecner cadanyered | said anything on the subject o! {ree love; her ideas over, or conveyed such an ides; but when the Were spiritualism and woman's suffrage. | paper was brought to me to sign it was @ compll- | ment to Mr. Beecher, rose-colored, in which I was The Second Day’s Examination. tolook up to him with filial respect. 1 said, “f JULY 22, 1874, won't sign that to the end of tne world,’ and I) jy General Tracy—Q. Mr. Tilton, on page 51 of | oi). itis uot with relecence to the circumstances | YOU MAnuscnpL, In sUbdivision X; you say, vin of signing the paper that Lam speaking, but With | dore ‘Tilton wid Henry C. Bowen, wuich were pee shad al od Ot nat Birgece: both Gugmenied by the Rev. Henry Ward Beecher and pe. A. He i . Beecher, in cons e sol, and at the question; Mr. Wilkeson is too much of a gentle- | ith arty ‘hiaubeth te ‘Tiiton, express in man to ask a man whether his wile nad committed | writing, in a paper put into the hands of,” &c., a Mi, Wiikeson says you took the paner away to | AEE I ee make stich mendations as you chose betore siguing | “” was it not in your handwriting ? it, and that after, perhaps, the ond night, on | not, sir. ee ea ee a tane wicca ien “pon Q. Did you not write that statement and get her sign anythin; at required you sign it? A. No, sit. Henry Ward Beecher? A. 1 said that my sell | og ea vette in any imauner ? respect would not permit me to do it; I told him | yo¢, also, or I told orher persons, that I would keep to the line of that Lecessury reconciliation whicu MP. Q va you write the Me geil A. I ots not. ton had planned, but that as ior going to Mr. Q. Was she well or sick at the time? ‘ . She was yer’s church, or signing such a letter, Lwould | Neither one nor the other; she was ailing. wait to the end of the world first, and 1'did not | | Q. Had not she suffered @ intscarriage just p ! vious’ A. Well, | do uot know how long betor think Mr, Bowen would sign it. hy Nev Yi in , cannot tell the date; whether it came belore or By Mr. Cleveland—You expressed confidence tn | Chnnot tell tt Enow; Lhe Was th tanew. the paper you sighed in Mr. Beecher, did you HOt ? | SIZET 10 Tot ino ae a eae time. | No; [expressed iriendliness toward him. 4 ike q . Was sue not in bed at the time of the writing | 'y Mr. White— dir. Wilkeson says, in substance, étus Raoat) nas Laonoeremenwer that in speaking of your dismissal irom the Union 1 sche: ana Q. Do not you remember whether she wrote it you spoke of Mr. Beécher as not assisting you, da buk riot a oc ane saul tat you would follow hit to nis grave? A. | I mr. Wiikeson communicates the Impression that Q. Do not you know that she peaecaerene mis- | 1 ever wanted money from Heury Ward Beecher it | carriage a few days belore M3 0; 1 knew she | 1s taise; Mr. Beecher has communicated, through | had Petra nace eee if os ? Aldo! Mr, Moulton, requests that I be assisted by mm, | | Q- Before the zath day of December? A. I do | but [would not take a penny of Mr. Beecher's | not remember the dat i a 1 ‘ } money it f suffered from hunger or thirst; and I Q. Do not you know that she was very sicky and | said that if directly or indirectly he (Mr, Moulton) | sick unto deatn? “A. No, | do not know taat sue communicated to me any of his (Mr. Beecher’s) WJaely 0: unto death; she was ill, but not danger- ney it Would break our friendsnip; Wilkeson | wan very iriendly to me; he is a ave, lovable eats ME arena ts vera the writing of that let- | , aud a0 unaccountable Ul that his r? A. She erselt. | raarity 18.40 bad? hela gelling old ST ave a lee | Was she conversant with the particalar state | ter in Which he wants that apology delivered up. | Of your difficulty wiih Mr. Bowen trom time to | Q Lwillread to you from Mr. Wilkeson’s testi- | time and from day to day? A. It was not from | mony: “His next complaint Was that Mr, Beecner an day; l always iniormed her what trout did not help tim in his troubles.’ A, That’s & a " fie; my complaint was that Mr. Beecher bad been Q. You say this letter was written in vere unjust tome, not that he had not heyped me; 1 | queace of the interference o1 Mr. and 3 Te would not have taken his help. echer? A. No, not precisely; {say that the let. By General Tracy—I ask you whether your rela- | ter was written through her desire that he and I | tions and feelings toward Mr. Beecher, since Jann- | shouid be reconciled. A. It was A. I did | é } ug : ¥ y that “In December, 1870, differ. | state what offence you stated Lthougut it was possible for@ Christain man to | ary 1, 1871, have not been friendly?’ A. Yes, sir; my Q. When you say n . , vr. | aebioss Mi, Beccher “to Mr. Bowea on that | asumes relations und feelings toward vim since January, | ences arose between Theodore Tilton aud tenry | occasion’? A. Mr, Johnson having introduced the \. Friendly relations continued after that be- 1871, when he made the apology, down to the time | & dg tes oe oat Fe Dasonery Ta Conese subject to Mr. Bowen said tome, “Mr. Tilton, you | tween you and Mr, Beecher? A, Well, not | when the church began to put out its right hand lenry Ward Beec! F Pe Parciess ih cone i 0 you can understand woat such reiations | and take me by the turoat, were iriendiy, quence whereof, and at the wish of L200 say as mach of Plymouyh chureh as a Brook. | iriendly fyn paper snould; you do not go there; why do | would be; they we you not got” tions which Mr, M @. | asked you what offence you stated against | he competied them, re not hostile; they were rela- uiton forced with an iron hand; | church in this matter? A, Yes, gir: that is to sav. K. Tilton, expressed in writing in a paper put into the hanas of Mr. Francis D. Moulton,” why do you say that it was in consequence of that dificuity, Q. They are not now friendly, but they were friendly up to the beginning of the action of the | | of the summey | Beecher ih the street, and | year, Mr. Bowen wanted to make a cb | Lcannot keep the other; when Mr. Howen pro- | other Linstantly said, ‘As he proposes that 1 shall | thing prejudicial concerning you; 1 think you had | Lwent plump to bis house and saw him, und said, | | or else Monday: | mentioned | not, | Beecher? | Me; 1t was through her that 1 | | Beecher was interfering with my aftairs; it was | spondence. , auce the originals here; i yoa will reiease | vain that they will b being augmented by Mr. and Mrs, Beecher that this letter Was written or this writing was madey A, Mr», Tilton’s confession to me was in the middie ; She informed me shortly aiterward that she had taken oceasion to let Mr, Beecher know that she had made this conesston, but she did not do that; 1 supposed that he knew of her coniession, but he did not know of it, 1 met Mr. he was about to speak to me; 1 did not speak to him; that ex. cited my suspicion of the iact he could not have known Of Mrs. Tilton’s contession ; 50 1 sald to her, “Elizabeth, did not you tell me that Mr, Beecher knew what you tad told me; to my mind he don’t | know it ;” she then informed me that she could not | bear to let him know that she had coniessed; then, | I think, her sickness came, though my recollec- tion o! dates, as1 have said, is very poor; toward the close of the year, or very near ‘the close ft ne nge iu the editorship of the dndependent; Mrs. Tilton was at | Mrs, Morse’s; she had gone to stay there a little while; Mr, Bowen sent me a notice, or letter, say- ing that he wanted the termination of my con- truct as ediior of the Independent to take pluce SIX months subsequently; I said to mysel in- stantly, “If Mr. Bowen ‘wishes me to terminate the Independent, must give him notice to terminate the Union; but before that 1 will send | to Flizubeth to come to the Union office and state ‘this proposition to her;? she came down and | in- formed her; I sata, “Now, I cannot afford to edit only one of these papers; if 1 am to give up one posed that I should give up one and retain sue give up the Indevendent 1 will give up the Union, | und that will leave me free to lecture.” After that, about the 23d or 24th of December, Mr. Bowen came to have a consultation with me and make hew contracts, by which he should be editor of the independ mt aud 1a special contributor of the In- dependent and for tive years edttor of the Union; that contract was signed during the last week or ten jays of ye , and I puptiened a valedictory in the Jn ndent, speaking’ well of Mr. Bowen, ard he spoke well of me. Some- Where avout the 23d or 24th or 25th—between the | publishing of that valedictory and the making of those two or three coutracts—sir. Johnson came to my house and said, “Mr, Bowen has heard some- better go and see him.” It was Saturday night. “Mr. Bowen, Mr, Johnson says that you know something prejudicial to me.’ Mr. Bowen said, “If have my vew editors in consultation and it 13 Sat- uraay night; come on Monday.” Monday was a holiday. Either Sunday was the actual Christmas was, 1 do not remember which, I went on Monday with Mr. Johnson, I think this Was on the 25th. We had a little talk, It was | that some story hac come to | Mr. Bowen. I said, “bring the person | who told it into my presence and we wil have the matter settied.” I then went | on talking about the new contract which I was to enter upon two or three days hence, as the editor of the Union for five years; he suid that [ | ougnt ro make more of Piymouth church and go to | Plymouth church; Mr. Johuson satd, “Vernaps this | young man has a reason for not going to Plymouth church ;” [gave him tn a tine to anderscand that I bad lost my respect jor Mr, Beecher, und could a3 @ man maintaining my pride and sell- respect, go there; at that Mr, Bowen stated all the particulars that I chronicled of Mr, Beecher in that letter, Only more vividly; at that Mr. Bowen made a challenge that Mr. Beecher would rete from the ministry, and said he would bear it and fortiiy it with jacts, and 1 signed it and he carried it; in a few hours Mr. Mouton came in and | told hum what I had done, ana he said, “You are a damned fool, Mr. Bowen — should have signei the letter as well as your- sell;” the next morning I went to the Union _oifice, and perhaps the morning aiter I wrote a little note to Mr. Bowen, the sub- Stance Of which was that I was going co have a personal interview with Mr. Beecher; that I thought was the manly thing; Mr. Bowen, the | next morning, after he had instituted this de- | | Maud ior the retirement of Mr. Beecher, and after | saying that he woutd fortify it with tacts, came to | the Union oflice and said, “Sir, i! you ever reveal | to Mr. Beecher the things that I told you and Mr. | | Johnson f will cashier you;” it went through my blood; I said, “1 will, at my discretion, utter'y un- innuenced by you,’ and he was in a rage; then, after two or three days, and wiute I was writing my first arucie for the Independent under the new at- Tangement, as contributor instead of editor, there cume (I guess it was the last might of the year) notices breaking my two contracts; those wo | contracts had been made within a week, aud were not to take effect until the first of the year, and they were broken the last night of the y ov the nigit before; I went around to Frank with them, and showed them to him immediately: the next day | wrote my letter to Mr. Bowen; events came crowding together pell-meli so thick and last that 1do not know how to disentangle tiem. Q. Why do yousay that it was in consequence of the difficulty being augmented by Mr. and Mrs. Beecher’ A. Elizabeth saw that Mr. Bowen aud 1 | were in collision; she was afraid that the collision would extend to Mr. Beecher and wisied me, if possible, t0 wake pea with him; that peace could be’ brouzut about only by his knowing what | knew oi lls relations with Mrs, Tilton; therejore, she wrote a womanly, kindly letter to him; 1 do not remember the phraseology; I remember ‘only one pirase; it was peculiarly hers; she said sae loved her husband with her maiden flame; Mr, Moulton wiil provably recatl the whoie phrasevlogy. t Q. What was the substance of the letter? A, The substance of the letter 1 do not recall; the ietter Was returned to her; whether she has it or not [ e, and she | do not know; the onject of the letter was to make | peace; she felt that 1f Mr. Beecher and I cowl: bi reconciled, she herself and I would be more recon ciled; there Was @ sort of mountuin 01 clouds over- coming us. . Who had reported to her fhe fact that your difficulty was being uuginented by Mr. and “Mrs. A. 1do not know; she reported it to ried that Mrs. through Mrs. ‘ilton that I learned of Mrs. Beecher’s antagonism to me; 1 do not think Mr, Beecher was so largely involved in it as his wife was. Q. Had you known of Mrs. Beecher’s interference with your affairs prior to thaty A. Jcannot say with my affairs—not with my business afairs; with my domestic affairs; no, as I recollect, Elizabeta went sometimes to the Health Liit, and Mrs, Beecher came there and saw her one day. Q. What date was that? A, Idonotknow}; Mrs. Beecher, througii Mrs, Morse, got the 1dea that was Mr. Beecher’s enemy; therefore Mrs, Beecher ‘Was very violently my enemy; Mrs. Beecher being my eneiny, and feeling that f was bent on a battle against her husband, sought to make an alliance With EBlizabetn, and, as I understand, wanted Elizabeth to go away [rom me and part company, and she would not do it—the trouble having hinged | Ou the fact that Elizabeth had made me and Mrs. | Morse # coniession, but had not told Mr. Beecher that she nad dove so; 1 said there was only one way out of the difficuity, and that was that Mr. Beecher must know it. Q. Did you say that to Elizabeth? A. Ido not know about that. Q. Had you said it previous to that? A. Ido not know; | jelt greatly chagrined at her not having told lim, as she said she had; I could not under- stand why Mr. Beecher shoula sneak to me in the street, and I iustantiy said, “He does not know at. . You do not know when it was that he spoke to you in the street A, My impcession 1s that it could not have been much Jater than his first com- ing vack trom the country. Q. When was thaty A. AllT can remember of that is the picture of the man with a kind of sun- burn on him; wf yon wul ask Elizabeth all of these things sie can tell you; there was a large mass of compiications that were afterward ex- | plained. Q. Was not Mrs. Tiiton sick on the evening of the soth December and in bed! A, 1 do uot know whether she was or not, * Q. Do not you know that one of your allegations or complainis was that he obtained that retraction from her when she was sick in bed? A, I know | | that she was lying in bed. | Q. Did you not charge him with imposing upon her because sie was sick? Yes, Q. And was she not A. Lremember the picture of her lying ailing on the bed. Q. What poysician attended her? A. I think Dr. Parker; it may have been Dr. Stiles; be was sub- sequently our physician. Q. This first letter which you quote from Mrs. Tilton, on page 35, in which’ she says:—Love 1s praiseworthy, but to abuse the gift is sin; aim strong; no temptations or fascinauons,”? & what did you understand by that? A. T on- derstood tiie—that she was in the receipt of visits from him, and that she had once or twice ieit that perhaps he was exercising an undue influence upon her; [know that once | was afraid she did not give me a correct account of his visits; there Were @ great many Visits mentioned i her corre ’ Q, Have you the letters here? A. No. Q. | thought tnat you were to bring them? A. Ail the originals trou which 1 have quoted t will carry betore Judge Reynolds or any jndge, in th presence of General Tracy: I have gréat confidence In you, gentlemen, but T do not propose to pros one of your number to xo with me berore any magistrate. I will produce them; Mr. Moutton will, ol course, be asked to produce his for examinauon, line for line; 1 do not suppose you would snatch thew away or keep thew, bie at the sume time f pro. pose that if you would see the originals Gencrai | ‘Tracy should go witn me. q. Do you refu to produce the originals before this committee? Ido now relnse to produce them to the committee in the presence of some outside parties. Q. Do you reiuse to produce them to the com- mittee alone? A, Yes, unless 1 can have some friend I with me. Q. Why did you not take that position | day A. Because yesterday we had only a Q, Yes, but did you not promise to produc | A Yes, and do how, Q. Kut you decline except in the presence of an oilicer ? A. T decline unless | can be pertectly cer- returned fo me; I don't want you to consider that as a disparagement; it is only & necessary element in this discussion; you shail see the originals, bub 1 will only show them under safeguards, Q. Why do you 1 ¢ that qaanfication? A. Por this reason: you are six gentlemen determined, i possidie, not to find the fac but to vindicate Mr. Beecher, and | am alone. There are eight 4! you and Lama single man, and if L shoutd nand over | to you now Mr. Beecner’s apology perhaps you would not return it tome. Thongh fo not mean | to make that implication, | do not mean to give | purit ‘That Is tzank. ae idnaly, speaking on behalf the committee ray syeak you the chance, Mr. Hilli—Let me i of both of the counsel | anguish and labor on her p: | why, for themselves—that the suggestion Of sued a the. ory 18 altogether groundless. eneral Tracy—it is uot oniy groundless, but out- rageous. Mr, Hill—I think you are unjast, Mr. Titton—I have been imuorined that this is @ matter of life and death, Mr. Claflin—This committee could not afford to take that position, It would not do to take those letters from you. Mr, Tilton—I am perfectly willing to bring sev- eral triends of Mine aud make an examination ot these letters; you shall see them; but under pro- per safeguards—that is all; if Mr. Tracy were in ny position he would take the same ground, ae ‘Tracy—No he would not, I beg your pardon, Q. At the beginning of the acquaintance of mr. Beecher with your family-—not with you or your wile, but with your tamily—did not you invite him. frequently to your house’ A. Yes, sir; and I was always very proud when he came, Q. Did you not say to him frequently that you de- sired him to visit your house frequently? A. I did, and always scolded him because he did not come oitener; during the first part of our life we were in Oxtord street, 80 lar away that he very rarely came ; the frequency of his visits took place after 1 purchased the house in Livingston street. When was that? A. I have forgotten the ye { should say it was seven, or eignt, or nine, or Len years ago. Q. Did not you say that there was a little woman at your house that loved him aeariy? A, I did, Inany a time; I always wanted him to come oltener. 4. You frequently spoke to him of the nigh esteem and alfection that your wife bore to him, did you not? A, L did; he Knew it ana I knew it. Q You always Knew it? A. Feannot say that I always did, because at rst, during the early years ol my married life, I felt that Mr, Beecher rather sighted my tamily; he was intimate with me, and I think loved ine; but he did not use to come very often to ly house, and tt did not piease me; I wanted him to come dlrener, Q. Aud it wounded you, did it not? A, Teannot say that I was wounded; I was a inere boy; it was a matter of pride to have him there; Elizabeth at first was modest and frightened; she did not know how to talk with him, or how to entertain him, and it was a slow process by which he ob- tained her confidence so that she could taik with him; 1t was the same witi Mr. Greeley; he had great reverence for her, and had an exalted opinion of her; Ido not think there was @ woman ane he had a higher regard for than for Mrs, hiton. Q, And did not she have @ high regard for him also? A. Yes, Q. And that was known to you too? A, That was knowa to me, and I was very glad of it, Q. Mr. Greeley came to your house often? A. He used to come and stay sometimes in the sum- mer a week or two at a time; we kept bachelor’s halis yes, he came often; tt was always a white day when Mr. Greeley came; he used to say that he never would come in my absence; he said it Was noc a good habit. Q. Did you urge him to come when you were off lecturing? A, Laid. Q. Did nob OE impress upon Mr. Beecher the necessity and desire that you had that he would cali upon your family and see your wile frequently during your absence? A. I did. Q. Now, Mr, Tilton, you have stated the religious character of your wife; will you describe it again? | A. My wile’s religious character i have, it you will pardon the allusion, undertaken to set forth in the vook that I have spent a year in writing—a work of fiction called “Tempest Tossed”’—a name strangely borrowed irom my own heaving breast; in that novel 1s a character, Mary Vail; Ido not want to say vainly before the public that l drew that character for Elizabeth, but ! did; there 1s a chapter—the ninth, I think (1 won't be certain about the number)—which ts called “Mary Vail’s Journal;” 1 kuow it 1s good because 1 made it up from Hlizabeth’s letters, and my heart was cleft in twain to find in these letters some of the Same sentences that crept into this chapter; [ changed tiem considerably, to make them coniorm to the story; I had this feeling, thatif in this novel I could, asa mere subordinate part oi the story, paint that character, and have it go quietly, in an underhanded way, forth, that that was Klizabeth (ior 1 think I drew it faithtuily) 16 wouldyve a very thorough answer, as coming from me, to the scan- dais in the community, and that people would say, “Theodore respects his wile,” as I do to-day. Q. Was it a truthful character of Elizabeth? A. It wa: t was not dréWn as well as the original | would warrant, Q. You say it was not drawn as wellas the original would warrant; then her devotion and purity of life would warrant a tigner character than you have given “Mary Vail’? in that book? A. Yes, unless you attach a technical meaning to the word purity; sne was made a victim. Q. You say that that characier in that book falls below the original’ A, Yes, because [ did not make it a prominent, but a subordinate character, Q. Are there anv other persons that figure im this drama who are described in that book, “Tem- pest Tossed?” A. N ‘cept by mere suggestions. Q. Is not your true {riend described there? Mr. Tiltou—You mean Mr, Moulton? General ‘lracy—Yes. A. NO} Oi tne characters in “Tempest Tossed” Mary Vail is the only one that is true to Ive; the character of the colored woman Was partly suggested by a colored woman thatl knew. * q. You have brought 1orward the letter of your wile Where she describes herselt as having re- d new light, as having read the character of Catherine Gaunt in “crittith Gaunt; have yon read the character of Catherine Gaunt? A, Yes- terday [said no, but [have an impression that [ have; a friend of mine yesterday morning said tuat it 18 a singular result rom “the Terrible ‘Yemptation;” Charies Reade bas written a book called “The Terri) ‘Temptation; | have never read that book, but on second thought i think £ bave read “Griffith Gaunt; my impression ts thas Tread iton (oat) . and that I wrote something to Klizabeta abont it and asked her to read it. Q. Did you think that the gailt of “Catherine Gaunc’” was that of adultery? A. 1 have no idea that I did. q. Has there been a change in your religious views since you were married? A. Yes, sit, very decided, | ain happy to say; 1 think there is in every sensible man's. q. Do you kuow whether the change in your Teligious convictions a source of great grief und sorrow to your wile? A, It was a great source of tears ald angutsa to her; she said to me ouce that deayimg tne divinity of Christ in her view nullified our marriage almost; and I think nexi to the sorrow of this scandal it has caused that woman to sorrow more than any thing else sue has suffered; because I cannot look upon the Lord Jesus Christ as the Lord God; I think her breast has been wrenched with it; she is alk Thost an enthusiast on the subject of the divinity of her Saviout Q. You think hera Christian, do you? A, Yes; she 1s tne best Christian I know of, barring her faults; better than any minister. Well, op the whole, do you not think that she is about as white as most Christiaus? A, Yes, wiitter than ourselves, Q. Then you would not qualify the expression When you say that she is the best Christian you know, barring her taults? Do not you think that she is the best Caristian you know with her taultst A. No, I would not say that, because there haa been a strong deceit wrought out in Elizabeth that comes from the weakness of her character; she has had three strong persons to circulate among—Mr. Beecher, her mother und me; in sen- tment she outdves us wil; her life is shipwrecked, but she is not to blame; [ Will maintain that to my aying day. Q. Do not you know that in these exigencies she sought consolation irom her pastor? A. I think she did; and he took advantage of her orthodox views to make them the net and the mesh io which he ensnared her, and for which I hold tim ino contempt which no Knglish words can de- scribe, The change of your retigious views has been the subject of a great deal of conversation and , has st not? A, On, and tears and en- yes—of letters and prayer treaties, many a time and olf, «, Wien you say that this has been the thing Which bas enabied her to be ensnared, do you mean by that that you think that was the cause m= some degree, her confidence in the judgment and advice of her pastor was increased, and why your influence over fer was lessened A. Oh yes; largely so; thoroughly so. ‘then when yoy found that she was leaning more strongly than formerly on the advice and consolation 0; her pastor, aud less on your own, you attributed if naturatiy to your change in re- ligious sentiiuents ? A. Yes; at the same time did not want Kizabeth to hold my view; [satd that she might be a Catholic or a Mohammedan. 4. Did she not feci that your views were a source of danger to the cauldren? A, Yes; she would’not let the cluldren have piaythings on Sunday; John G. Whittier came to our house (he appoimted the tine), and Mr ey, and met Mr. Johnson; and MH alinos t brok Zabeth’s heart to think that the best man in New bugland, whom she reverenced, shoud have appointed sunday night; she never ved visitors on Sunday. . I ieature in her character that sh t nos has great revereace tor those men whom she be- leves to be pure in ite, and nobie in thought and spirit’ A, Yes; she would kiss the hem of their garments, “), ‘tuatis a marked feature of her character, is it not: A, Uncommonly so. «). Does it not aimosé go to the extent of idolatry one sense? A, Well, no; there are a great Wy Women who lock upon a man with a sense oF Worship; Elizabeth never did that; blizabetls is the peer Of any man; at Lhe same time she rew ercnces; it Was hot Vanity—it was reverence; sne@ never regarded Mr. Beecher as a silly womaa regards fun; she was not @ silly’ woman Take captive; she Was a wise, good woman tiken ‘captive; there are a great many people, particularly women, wao, tf Presi. dent Graut should cail om them, would tees greatly Natiered; 1 do not think she Would; but it ne revarded President Grant as a man of high religious nature, coming With the Gospel in his hand and devored to the evangelical religion, then, Whesher he were famous or lowly, she would reverence abn, Q. 50 wust there not be connected with her reverence the idea Of absolute pursty of Ife, as weil as of religious Character’ A, Yes. 1 think Elizabeth regarded Mr. Keecher, in early aays, a8 the essence of ali that Was religious, apostolic; b tuink she looked upon him very much as she woukl look upon the Apostie Pant. 4. And you understood thaty A, Yes, and in fact looked upon him so tn my carly life; Lloved (hal man as well as | ever loved a woman. Q And ts it not true that there is nothing that your wife so much abhors in man or woman a8 im a A. Exactly $0, : Q. The fuct that she believed that any persona Were impure, however, (f it were otherwise, she mieht revereuce them, would destroy her \ !