The New York Herald Newspaper, March 22, 1874, Page 5

“ERE CLUBS TRUMPS? The Recent Police Outrages Reviewed, MURDER AND BRUTALITY JUSTIFIED, Commissioners Gardner and Duryee on the Police Force. “WE WANT NO GENTLEMEN” The present extraorainary demoralization and | Indiscipline of our police have excited the ire of | an indignant public. As matters at present stand that public is unfortunately lett without means of Tedress, and its only consolation is the thought | that the tenure of office by official bullies is fortu- Dately not eterna). Within the past year the po- itce force—the department above all otuers which should be the guardian of our property and liber- ties—has been disgraced by more outrages than at any time during its history. And this tendency to demoralization derives its existence directly from ‘the manner in which the officials have taemseives acted, regardless of the dictates of honesty, pru- dence or justice. That this has been carried to @p extraordinary degree is 0 patent to those who | have followed the history of the department that 4% needs no proof. Police Commissioners ostra- -€ized irom political assemblies for openly conniv- ing at election frands, the penalty of which 1s State Prigon, and using their subordinates te carry out A SYSTEM OF TERRORISM to drive electors away from the poils, Accusations of iraud and mismanagement grave enough to have necessitated the appointment of a legislative | committee to investigate them. Secret meetings held and extraordinary measures adopted — by portion of the Board of Police to the detriment ‘of two Commissioners wio were ina hopeless mi- nority. Charges against detectives of stealing from the persons of condemned ielons, and of which ample proof was at hand, whitewashed and dismissed by these same Comtnissioners. Anony- mous letters, written and s.id to be traced to one Of the Commissioners, but the charges in which let- ters have never been Investigated. Rowdies and rufflans appointed to positions without any reler- ence to character ur ability, but simply to political opinion, Daily clubbings and beatings and even shootings by police officers of respectable and imoffensive citizens. Police captams appearing before an important official department and grossly insulting te members thereof? And over all this an attempt to throw A MANTLE OF JUSTIFICATION, too transparent not to be piercea, but consistent enough to show the firm determination of all con- cerned to shicid the guilty and biacken tne inno- | cent, And when to all this is added the accusa- tion of captains of police being in open protecuon ‘Of houses of il] Jame and gambling dens, Irom which they are alieged to be im regular receipt of sala- | ries, it is clear that the whole depar.r ent cannot go much lower in degradation and shame. It ts therelore easy to account for the toial demorual- ization of the general force, for the lowly only make themselves faithful copies of tietr superiors, The captains only take their cue from the Commis- sioners, and the captains in turu transmit their characteristics, which they have learned irom higher sources, to their men. Thus, from top to bottom, the entire organization has become 80 rot- ten that only time and carejul training can bring it up to the standard it once attained to, Bad, however, as the general tone of the police force has been for some time past, the actions which have il‘ustrated some of ifs members during the past jew months have been beyond all bearing. To the other faults which have characterized the management of the force comes that of irrespon- ibility. The small satisfaction whica was once obtainable at the hands of Commissioners has given way to a system of whitewasuing the police im euch a manner that a citizen who complains of an outrage generally only gets his trouble for bis pains, and THE MATTER DIES OUT. This is easily accounted for by the fact that the men on the police are in each case the appointees and favorite standard bearers of some one of the Commissioners, who are loath todo away with their men unless the outrage 1s so flagrant and has such publicity that whitewashing becomes impossibie, and cases have been known where men, aiter being condemned perforce, have been put into snug berths somewhere else. This system, of course, breeds an irresponsibility and total disregard of circumstances in the police officer. In any case he is Lo be snielded and protected; thereiore, what | rights has a citizen that a policeman is bound to | respect? Apparently none. To some extent, then, this accounts for the late complete disregard of human life, happiness which has made the police so unpleas- aptly notorious; but the fauit may also be iound in the placing of revolvers and clubs in the hands of men who are instructed by no discipline how to use them, and who are rather taught to use them where they picase. 1n the hands of some people | Weapons of this Kind are always dangerous; but when these are further made to feet their impor- tance by the possession of official position the outrages which may be committed under tae cover of law are innumerabie. THE MURDER OF M’NAMARA liberty and | | go terribly 18 as well as you or 1, and ali that nous | Captain Willaims befure the Board of kducation? NEW YORK HERALD, SUNDAY, MARCH 22, 1874—QUADRUPLE SHEET. ™ this testimony, given by medical men of welt known respectability, ® police cay tain and a po- | lice surgeon came ip ana swore that the man had Bot been burt to any supredahie exten! jd that he was periectly able move about and be tn | court. They intimated also that he only got what he deserved, ‘his tiustrates completely the dit- ference between the wanver in which the general public and the manner in which the police louk at these things, In tne penpnme the two brutal ; rs have been suspended, igs ed EVEN DIWMISSED TRE FORCE, | as is the case with the murderer Leahy, whois atill adeyective officer, merely suspended. In the case of the insolent Williaws, Captain of the Eigith recinct police, Who so grossly insulted the mem. | Bers ol the Board of Education @ day or go since, it | was evident tnat some power stood at his back, | wh.cn protected him in acting a8 he did, The out- rage Was 80 great tha: an ind.gnant pubhe has taken the matrer up, and twe resuit is we are likely to hear more abdut Williams tian ta precisely pleasant to that gen ‘lemaa’s delicate feelings. Witn the object of learning how this whoie sub- | ject was looked at by the occupants of the white marble buildmg in Mulberry street, and by what | ingenuous sophistry t.¢ @utocrats of the police | foree succeeded in excusing their own con- duc; and that of their men, a HERALD reporter called UupO2 Superintendent Matsell yesterday aiternoon, That sapient gentleman | Wus out in the connury somewhere, no doubt over- | burdened by tue task of seeking guod reasons ‘or | the wonderiul actions of his men lately. ‘ine re- porter, however, gcing Up stairs, was introduced to Commissioner Gardner, President o/ the Board of Poiice, by Mr. Joseph Strauss, private sec to Mr. Oliver Charlick, Who was absent also. 1a theroom with Mfr, Gardner were several eutle- men, among them Mr. Murray, Police Justice. the purpose of the reporter was to heve a private con- versation, but MR. GARDNER SPOKE in such @ Joud tone ol voice during the interview which lollowed tnat mot onty did those present hear his remarkable arguments, but aiso a crowd oO} people who were attracted by tue ali-,ervading noisy echo of his stentorian voice, ‘fhe conversa- tion ran, 48 hear a8 Can be given, as follows: — RerorreR—I have cutled, Mr, Gaianer, in rela- tion to the late cases of clubbing by ti.e police, as it is reported that your Board hus decided to issue some hew orders relating to the use oi the vaton. by the police, GaRkuNER— Nothing of the kind is contemplated, T assure you. 1am bot surprised at the use poice- men are making of their clubs, aud, indecd, | am, | if anything, surprised that tuey don’t use them » ore. KEroRTER—But the late cases of clubbing, where two men went ity &® man’s house tw club bin, you don’t juscily, do your GARDNER—There 18 @ great aeal of nonsense printed about that case. The man who was ciubbec. sense about an examination has been put up by | that man Kessler ior some season dest Known iO huaself, Idou’t justuy the two policemen, mind. ‘They have been suspended and will be dismissed. But what | mean is that theie is a great deal of sickly sentimentality avout the clubbing by police- men. Why, down in the Fourth ward A POLICEMAN’S LIFE 13 not safe unless he carries his club elevated, ready to strike at we first opportunity, ‘Ibis constant clamor against the police by the papers does more | to demoralize the police than auyiming elre. We | do all we can to get good men, bach case ior ap- pointment is recommended by five citizens, one of Whom is obliged to #weur as to the good cuaracter ol the applicant for five years previously. The mau then goes beiore the Chief Clerk and is examined, The papers are then sent to the Captain of the precinct where the appiicant resices, and inquiries are instituted among his neighoors as to his gon- eral conduct and worth, Alter this the payers | come back to the Board, and, according as we find | them, We appoint the ian or reject, Besides all this he must undergo a rigid examination before tie doctors, Who merely louk to iis physical acility to be on the police, Could we do an, tiing more to get good men? KEPORTEK—Is it DOS extraordinary, then, how so many moral and physical guiats ag these men Musi be become such demons alter appointment? GARDNER—What can yo: expect out of a iorce ,000 en, Somebody must turn out bad. RKeErorre—-But, then, do you consider it safe to entrust such po. ple with revoivers and clubs in- | discrimiuately? Some of them are certainy known | as cesperate men, but they are allowed to carry witn them that which inay cause tne deatn ot in- nocent citizens at any moment, UARDNER—AIi that sore Of argument is very good on paper, but it won't work in practice, You can’t expect policemeu to bo angels. Now, the otner da) # citizen brought # Complaint against a police- man, Itappears be was 4 WALKING ROUND A CORNER and stepped upon the policemau’s foot, The poilcemaa kicked him. You woud be very apt, Wouldn’t you, to bit # man in the nose wio trot on your favorite corn? 1 dismissed the case. ‘the reporter, wile thinking inwardly that hitting a man on the nose because he happened to tread wadveitently on one’s foot Was rather hasty practice, did not stop to argue this pot and Weut on to speak on tie subject matter. Keror‘ex—As a general rule, then, you believe clubbing to be salutary, Mr, Gardner? GARDNER—In Very Many cases, yes. You can’t expect much wisuom irom a puliceman, and we won't always stop to argue to a@ question of law. ‘There are many brutes among policewen and we want mea who are YOROB. and decisively that we want. ho stgndqutetiy by while tuey are being» biackguardea we don’t want. They dun’t make good poucemen, As a general ruie you may take it:for granted that tue policeman Who clubs a citizen 1s Tight 1n so doing, KEPORTER—it was @ mistake in the case of Leahy. GakpNeR—I don’t want to argue that case or detend Leahy; but there ts a great deal to be said for him. He considered he was doing his duty, and oy going into that house and looking for that notorious criminal Duich Hardon, who was known to have lived there, he was doing it. REPORTER—I Was not aware tiut policemen had arigut to go into private houses and break in people’s doors. kDNER—he end justifies the méans in many cast REPORTER—In this case the end was murder, GAKDNER—Yes, but that Mau opposed their go- ing into his room, They had seen some one rush up stairs; they were confident Dutca Harmon | was ia the room, But the true facts of the cuse willcome out on tue trial, 1 do not wish to say anything belore that time. KerorTeR—What do you think of the conduct of GARDNER—Do you suppose our captains have got time to keep running about at the beck and Cull Of every board in the city, KEPORTER—Baut this Board asked you courteously to allow Williams to appear beiore it aud give in- formation that would help them in their object. GAKDNER—I know ail about taat, and Wiiliams came to me and Ltold himto go and give we in- formation they wanted. Reroxrer—And Williams refused in a most in- sulting manner to do so? GAkssEB—Why should Captain Williams be | obliged to give up his Ust Of the houses of il-tame in nis precinct, {t belongs to the private archives ofthis dopartment, and is bOt at the call of any sel!-constituted Board. by the Detective Leauy is yet iresh in the mind of ‘the public, How the horde, of detectives rushed | into the house where Dutch Harmon was sup- posed to live, and, after beating on severai doors | Jor which there was no warrant of law or order, | this particular devective, Leahy, because the pvor | wretch would’nt open quick enough the door of a | Toom which, aiter all, wus hisown, drew forth a | revolver and shot him dead. And the wonderiul | tallousness of the authorities was never better | idusirated than in tye fact o1 their taking bail for the appearance of ti murderer when wanted. He ‘Was actually allowed to walk the streets ior days | aiter the murder, and nobody thougat of troublin, him until the public press made such a hue and ery that they were obliged to rearrest the mur- derer in sheer desperation. And now, while the or victim is rotting in his grave ana | ia family are suifering the pangs of ‘want, every influence is being brought to bear to tnprove the position of Leahy and get him | acquitied om the trial. It is publicly boasted by | persons in autuority in the Police Department tnat | at will be “all right” with him, Why ail this @houid be it would be hard to divine. Why such acrime as this, committed m a fit of utter de- fance of all ruies of iaw, snould be pailiated, when | At will be knowa that this same man Leahy oniy a Jew mouths beiore shot some insignillcant prisoner | an Greene street ior the great crime vi attempting | to escape. Such incidents show | THE DESPERATE CHARACTER Of the suthorities wao have our lives and property | 4a their care, For just as devoid of ai! idea of jus- | luce are they in shielding iriends as they are re- Vengeful in persecuting enemies. Woe be to bin who incurs the displeasure, not merely of a com- | Woissioner or a vaptain, but of a mere patrolman, | ‘The sudden clubbing, the trumped up charge, the night in the station house remain like a terrorisia even over the nead of the most inofensive citizen, and with po prospect of any redress at Head. quartars. Indeed, one of the most amusing scenes It is | possible to conceive of, and much better than any lay, is the tarce of the police trials, To watci he utterly contemptuous manner in which Mr. Commissioner Gardner dismisses complaints | made by citizens against policemen certainly | make the Star Qhamber trials of iamous memory | pale to insignificance ior the utter disregard of anything spproaching common sense or justice | which characterizes them. it would be almost ., IMPOSSIBLE TO NAME all the police outrages which nave taken place | within & suort time. The assauit o1 the two | drunken officers, Fitzpatrick and ‘Tuohey, upon an | inofiensive mau in his own residence in the Nine- teenth ward, is one of the most remarkable, Here it appears that the herg officers, uot nnding any Feady victims on the sidewalk and fee.iny a de- aire to use the club a little after their linacions, went into a private house, and, because the oncupant ordered them’ out,’ clubbed him in such & manner that bis lie was de- spaired of at one time. But the most instructive portion of this case, showing how utterly sub- servient the people in the pay of the Police Oom- mission are to their masters, came out at the ox- amination. Several respectable doctors, among them Dr. Satterlee, swore to having visited the Bek aed tp atta nara oe ti; m bi, y and on the hes end was’ s0. week from loss. ot blood ag Not to be abi move. The doctors wot:d not of danger. 1 opposition to | wita them, But uo, he relused the very paper tuey want, and in @ Manuer which was grossly in- sulting. | RevoxrEeR—Sne Board of Education ts nota self constituied Board, but one equal in importance to | this, Its members met ior a specific object—that of clearing out tne houses oi ill fame in the neigh- borhood of their schools. In such an object Captain. Williams, it would seem, should work hand in hand GaRDNER—Captain Williams is a good officer. He HASN'T GOT THE AIRS AND GRACES of a Woman, but goes straight to the point, without uny paiavering. He Was Was rougu, perhups, but ii cau’t biame him for it, I void nim not to give his list up. KkPORTER—Then he might as well have stayed away; jor he knew that ti was only his list ve Board wanted, and to attend jor the mere purpose | of rnsaiting the Comuussioners was hardly worth wrile. GARDNER—These people don’t understand their business, Li tuey go to the Grand Jury and request it to get the list trom the District Attorney or jrom Captain Williams (!or the Grand Jury is our master) and then indict on it they would be going the right way to work. But tbis slow-coach sys- tem 0: investigation is all nonsense, RKePoRTER—But the Board has aregular way of doing business, and only wants to make charges against certain houses which interfere with the culdren. GaxpNER—I don’t believe in letting them have a list of respectable men who own these houses, 60 | as to indict. As ior the occupants, there is anotner Way of doing it. Any police justice will grant them a Warrant, and we will pull the house. REVORTER—50 a8 to be Occupied by the same crowd five days aiter, Police Justice MURRAY--I'll bet there would be nobody in it five days alter 1 gave a warrant. Rerorvex—[ huve known dozens of cuses In which the women returned in ue day, Police Justice Murray subsided, GakDNER—No, no; Williams may be a little | rough, but he uid what was right, WHAT GENERAL DURYEE SAYS, The reporter subsequently interviewed General Duryee, the Police Commissioner, and asked about the cluobing by policemen, He said:— “The department has been disorganized for tne | past eight montibs—ever since they have not been drilled, L propose to drili them daily, as they should be. I will introduce many important re- forme in the Board, now i’ve got a voice. I shail | give the men new shields, This cubbing will soon stop. Without precis@y seeing what effect the intro- duction of new shields would have in stopping the club practice, the reporter asked nim What te thougut of the recent cases, The GeNERAL—All hambog, sir; all hambug. ‘That man is out and all nc about the streets, REPORTER—but do you justuy the conduct of the policemen ? . Tne GeNeraL—Ab! that is another matter— another matter, ReEPORTER—What do you think of Leahy’s case? ‘The GENERAL— Well, you know it has two sides, That man, Harmon, is a desperate villain, sir—a desperate Villain—and Leahy supposed it was he that was pushing against the door. He really sup- men preotsely 300 are at this moment off duty. mean to oring them down irom Morrisania to drill {bem, in a few days. 1 made a speech to the Men | 4 iGressea by Rev. H. D, Northrop. this morning and toid then what I wanted, At this moment the reporter rose and leit, POLICE CAPTAINS AND GAMBLING KiOUSES. ‘The reporter, subsequently, saw au oficial in the Police Department, who stated that he knew of @ case in which a man bad been kept on post every night trom six o'clock P.M, to six o'clock A. M., | because he knew somethin, the precinct and the Cay interiere in bis little “rake” trom these houses. + THE TESTIMONY OF A CITIZEN, A gentleman connected with one o! our largest wholesaie dry goods houses stated to a reporter yes'erday that he has had occasion to investigate | the panel house systeu in this city, and that hehas | found such houses only exist permanently to any | Frans. extent in three precinctx—the E.ghth, the | ourteenth and the Twenty-ninth; aud he states, that he has obtaiued indisputable proot that Captains Williams, Cunchy and MeCal- Jagh allow these infamons resorts to exist because | they receive a regular saiury from each of them, | He states, also, that because Captain Irving, of | the detective squad, made a descent on two of | these places, :n the Eighth and Fourteenth pre- | cincts, he incurred the enmity of the two captains. | Mcvullagh his been two yearaa police captain, | the gentleman states, on @ salary 0: $2,000 per | year, and a short time since he bought a brown stone house in Twenty-eighth street, which cost RELIGIOUS INTELLIGENCE Programme of Services—Passion Sunday, March 22. “Climax” on Practical and Theo- retical Philanthropy. ‘Tne Rev. ©. C. Goss to-day begins a series of Sun- day afternoon lectures on the “Practical Aspects of Ciristianity” in the church in Twenty-eighta street, uear broadway. ; The Rey. M. Cohen Stuart, D. D., delegate to the Evanzelical Alliance, will preach a farewell ser- mon in the Holland language in the Reformed church in Lafayette piace and Fourth street. “The Life and Times of St, Patrick’? 1s the pro- Iiflc theme for meditation in the Floating church, loot of Pike street, this afternoon, “The Ministers’ Temperance Resolutions” will recetve the attention of Rev. Mr. Boole this eveuing. “Heather Bell Lodge of Good Templars will be addressed by Rey. J. 8. Kennard in the Pilgrim Baptist church this A. M. Dr. Kendrick, the former pastor of the Taber- nacle Baptist church, will occupy its pulpit to-day at both services. A solemn Pontifical mass of requiem will be celebrated by the Most Reverend Archbishop for the repose of His Eminence, the late Cardinal Barnabo, at St. Patrick’s Cathedral, on Tuesday, 24th inst,, at ten o’clock, The reverend clergy are invited to attend, A service of song, together with an address by Rey. C. 8, Robinson, D. D., may be expected in the Yorkville Young Men’s Christian Association Hall | this afiernoon. Revs. J. W. Barnhart and W. H. Millburn will oc- cupy the pulpit of Forsyth sireet Methodist Epis- | copal caurch, The former will preaca in the even- | ing on “Temperance,” Rev. D, fl. Miller, D.D., preaches in Plymouth Baptist church to day at tie usnai hours, Rev. J. F. McClelland will preach in St. Luke’s Methodist Episcopal church to-day at botn ser- vices, Rey. 8, M. Hamilton will occupy the pulpit of the Scotch Presbyterian church woruing and evening. Rey. John E. Cookman will minister to the Free | people by the revelation of a great secret, which they have been pondering over tor years, and which | Of tbat kind is beyond ail credil Tabernacle Methodist Episcopai church to-day at the usual hours, “brunkards and Drunkard Makers,” this even- ing in Bethany Chapel, by Rev. R. S. Underwood. Rey. J. M. Pullman will instruct the Fifth Unt- versalist Society this morning in Plimpton Build- ing, Stuyvesant street. Dr. Fulton, of Brooklyn, will talk about Charles Sumner in the morning and about Christ in the evening. Rev. W. H. Pendleton will preach in the Fifty- third street Baptist church morning and evening. Rev. 8, W. Crittenden will preacn in Harvard Rooms this morning. Free services are neld here also on Thursday evening. Two Revs. Pullman—R. H. and J. M.—will preach in the Church of Our Saviour to-day. Dr, Ludlow wi'l give the result of some of his studies irom the Book of Daniel in the Reformed Dutch church, Fifth avenue and Forty-eighth street, this evening, “rhe Antichrist” is the theme to be discussed in the Catuolic Apostolic church this evening. Rev. W. P. Corbitt will preach in the morning, and Rev, C, B. Sing in the evening, in DeKalb ave- nue Methodist Episcopal churcn, Brooklyn, Rev. W. C. Dawson will preach, at the usual hours, in the Church of the Disciples of Christ. “Loyalty to Truth’ 1s the lesson that Rev. E. 0. Sweetser will draw from Charles Sumner’s life this morning in the Bleecker street Universalist churen. Rev. P. L. Davies will preach In the Berean Baptist church this morning and evening. Dr. A, C, Osborne will preach morning and even- ing in the South Baptist church, Baptism in the evening. A. A. Wheelock will address the Spiritualists in Robinson Hail morning aud evening, Ex-Raboi E, A. Scluamoritz will lecture to Israel- ites this afternoon in the school room of the Uhurch of the Holy Innocents on “The Types of Christ.” A Lussian quariet will sing the litany in the | Greek chapel this morning. On Thursday and Sat- | urday in Holy Week (one week later than our cal- endar) services wili be held here in the forenoons and on Good Friday in the evening, A joint quarterly meeting oi the council and pa- rochial committees of the Catholic Union will be held in Xavier Coilege Hall, West Sixteenth street, to-morrow evening. A Union Temperance prayer mecting will be held | in the Church of the Strangers this afternoon, at | which short addresses will be delivered, and the Carolina colored singers will sing. Another of the sermons to the general public will be given in Cooper Union Hall by Rev. Dr. | Tyng, Jr., this evening. The Doctor will preach | morning and afternoon in his owa Church of the Holy Trinity. Rev. Mr. Hepworth will show how “By Faith the Walls of Jericno Fell” this morning, in the Church of the Disciples. Evening, lecture to young men— “Bad Habits, and How to Get Rid of Them.” At the opening services this morhing in All | Souls’ Episcopal church, corner of Clinton and La- | fayette avenues, Brooklyn, Rev. Dr. Porteous will | preach on “Christ the Wonderful, the Counsellor, | the Mighty God.” The Doctor will preach ia Dr, | Budington’s church at four P, M. In Ail Souls’ church, New York, Rev. George ¢. | Thayer, of Boston, preaches morning and evening. | The services in the Church of St. Mary the Virgin to-day at half-past ten A. M. (high celebration) | and four P. M. (vespers) will be full choral, The First Reformed Hpiscopal flock will worship at @ quarter before eleven A, M. and at a quarter | before eight im the evening, in Lyric Hall, Bishop | Cummins preaching. “The Little Foxes” is Rev. Mr. Pycott’s evening subject at St. John’s church, Brooklyn, Morning service begins at half-past ten. J The morning and evening services in the Church | of the Resurrection will be conducted by Rey. Dr. | Flagg. Rev. Mr. Newton preaches at half-past ten A, M. | and hali-past three P, M. in Anthon Memorial church. “Mercy to the Poor’ is to be advocated by Rev. Dr. Rylance this evening, in St. Mark's, Rev. Dr. Samuel Osgood preaches in this church in the morning. The Passion Sunday services in St, Ignatius’ churen, Rev. Dr, Ewer officiating, will begin at seven, nine and half-past ten A. M. and half-past seven P, M, Rev. Dr. Mentgomery will this evening address posed tr was him, REPoRTER—But does & supposition of this kind Justity marder ? The GuNkRAL—No, no; not precisely. I domt ean to say that-————, I don’t mean to say that ine grand secret, sit, is in driliing. That's what 'm here for, and I’m going to do it, This depart- Mens sal Wrong. Just Of It, OUb Of 2200 the Wainwright Memorial church congregation. In the Church of the Messiah Rev. W. R, G. Mellen will preach at eleven A. M. ‘The Spirituaiists of New York will confer at Ger- mania Hall this alternoon, at two o'clock. Tho anniversary meeting Qf the Young Poopieg’ ; Meetings are coutioued at Benjamin Albro’s. | fact that it is so even the duliest can see. 1 | Christian Assoctation of the West Twenty-third | and have reagon to trust you they will draw their Street Presbyterian church, this evening, will be ‘There wiil be services at the usual hours, morn- Ing, aiternoon and evening, in De Garmo Hall, the first inciuding & “sclentilic” discourse by 8. P. Andrews, The Thursday evening prayer and experience Church Dedication—St. Joseph’s, Tre- mont. The new church of St. Joseph, Tremont, N. Y., will be dedicated to-day oy the Right Rey. Bishop Corrigan, of Newark, N. J. This handsome temple of worship 1s of the pure Gothic style of architecture, built of brick with white stone facings. Tie windows are of stained glass, with scriptural and ecclesiastical designs painted in the medieval style of monastic decorations, The cor- ner stone was laid last summer, and since then the Rev. Fatner Stumps, the indelati- able pastor of Melrose, has been untiring n his exertious to complete this clurch in honor oi St. Joseph, the foster-fatuer of Christ, ‘The ceremonies to-day will be on ascale of unusual magnificence, Many priests trom the city and neighbor.iood will be present, A choir of first class singers will give Mozart’s ce.ebrated No, 12, with organ and orchestral accompaniment. The sermon Wil be preacued by the Key, Nicholas Sorg, of Buitalo, N. Y. ‘The ceremony will begin at eleven o'clock A. M., in order to enable New Yorkers to leave by tie ning o’clock A. M. train irom the Forty-second street depot and join with tne people of Tremont in the dedication services of this new and hand- some Catholic church. The Problem of Poverty from a Practical and Theoretical Standpoint. To THE Epitor or Tae HERALD:— I have been looking over some of the charities of New York during the past week, and feel like chatting @ bit on that subject. This whole problem of poverty and its reliefis the knottiest part of political economy. It is a great deal easier to get safely through the eye of a needle than to find apath through the enigma of the poverty of a greut city. Numberless plans have been devised, their object being to make workingmen save a portion of their wages ‘or the rainy day which is sure to come, but, so far, both puiiancthropists and philosophers have had their labor for their pains. Some of these pianos have been practical, and have resuited In a large amount of good; others have been farciful and imagiuative, and could no more be put into practice than couid the Utopian dreams of a school- boy, who expects to alter the whole destiny of the world in turce months, FANATICS, We have fanatics in philanthropy as well as in politics. They are a peculiar race, and can be easily detected In a crowd of menof common sense. Lhaive seen a great many of them, Their hair is generally parted in the middie and flows gracelully over the shoulders, The bump of ideal- ity isaslarge as a rovin’s egg, and makes the head look as though an incipient horn were just beginning to protrude on eituer side. The organs oi perception lang over the eyes like the eaves of an old-fasbioned house, while the reflective part of the brain siopes backward like a roof. They always have a patent notion, whici, once adopted, will render the banking system stable, alter the tariff, lower the taxes flity per cent, and, without taking @ penny from the rich man, sweep poverty and crime ivom the jace oi the earth. It would be very pitiful if it were not so laughable to hear tuese men talk, But the trouble is they bore one to death, They come iato your study when you are particularily busy, and begin to uniold a scheme which is to root up every evil in New York intwenty minutes. If you will only Jend them your church to talx in, get an audience to listen to them, take up a collection and gu halves with them, they will astound you and your will enable thein to cure every social evil to which the community is heir. I said to one of these pests the other day :— “My dear sir, how is it that the world allows you to wear such poor clothes and boots down at the heel and outat the toe when you could make all mankind happy and contented in three months ?” checks before you are hail through with your a| peal. Treaby think that the business men of this city very generally eel, not simply @ pussive will- iagness, but an active desire, to heip on every good movement. Connec’ed with their own goud for- tune 18 @ kind of personal obligation to give some- thing tor oojects Which are commendacie. | have never yet failed to yet what! wanted from the downtown men, and I believe they are, as a class, the most generous men in the worid. Li, on the other hand, your plan is at ail chimerical, don't go into a New York counting house [The head of the firm can see through you at once, and you might as well try to suck water out of the sands of Sabara as to get money irom im, Betore your story is half told he becomes impatient, lights a fresh cigar, puffs the smoxe in your lace and wisies you at the centre of the eartn, tongue for some one else, jor HO amouut of palaver wul get a single dollar trom him. If you are not ina hurry he is, and he will plainly tnaicate, by language tiat no child could mistake, that the peoher you leave the better it will be Jor both par- es, QUIXOTIC PLANS. I confess to being greatiy amused the other day by @ pian developed in @ little pamphiet, called “che Problem of Poverty,” evidently written vy a | man iu dead earnest, What be wanted to do was | nothing less than wo empty the overdowing bowl | of the poorer classes into South Caroliua. Le | proposed to get together 2,000 of these struz- | ging folks, buy tickets for the mg lands ol that doubly doomed ptate and then | start @ town, He said enthusiastically | that $100,000 would be all the money required to sethie (ese 2,000 for lite, Alter that he expected | to repeat the experiment tn ever varying succes- | sion until, through the spigot of New York, tue poor population had been drained into the lauds i the Souchern and Western States, At firstsigat | of the plan you ery, Hureka! but, on second | thoughts, you shake your head, J¢ would be, per- | haps, 4 sWeei revenge on South Carolina for hav- ipg been, during the last two geuecations, a dis- turber of the nauuonal peace, to dot her sandy plains and pine barrens with groups of 2,000 of the | poor of New York ciiy; but the chances are that | she has poor people enoagh uow, and would not | thank any one for importations of that sort, | POOR PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT TO LIVE HERE, | Now, in the first place, the ciass that our iriend | seeks to Denefit feel that they have an malenave | Tight to live or to starve ina city of their own | choosing. Everybody knows that a certain pro- portion of our overcrowded population would live | better, and perhaps become turuty, U they woul | establish themselves on little farms anywhere, vut | they wont doit, ‘The jaecinations Of & great city @re such that Many amau woud rather starve | in some out of the way alley ve | here than have | enough ana tospare anywnere else. Thisis a stern | fact Which plilanthropists persist ia ignoring. 1t | 18 one of the mysteries of social nomy. its | cause 18 a love of excitement whici 18 always to | be found here. You cannot put postage stamps | on a man and send him wow to the pine woods of South Carolina wheter he will or no; neither can you put handcuds on btm and drag bim and ‘his family away trom their dirty attic aud their squaud poverty to the spien- dors of the used-up soil of tue Southern States, If & man will stay here, then Christian Charity must do the best sie can under the circumstances. 1b does not lessen our resvonsibiiity a Walt tuat the poor are determined to take tueir chances in the city. SPECULATIVE PHILANTHROPY. Tn the next piace, let us look at tie finances of | our inend, bor $100,000 he proposes tu bist 2,000 people in a village. Weill, the viliage 14 uot made yet, and that is what the $100,000 18 for. Two thousand people would make about 400 tam- ilies; tueretore, a village of 400 houses must be built before the railroad tickets are vought. He estimates that the houses would cost $600 | apiece, and that (unless my aritimetic 1s at fault) Would aggregate $249,000. This does | not include the price of the towuship, nor tne churches, scbooihouses, stores, town house, steam lire engines, nor tue thousand etceteras wiich are absoluteiy necessary to begin the work, ‘here are catile, arming utensils, stock ior tue grocery aud the notion stores, to be bought. ‘Tien there are the first year’s taxes and 2,000 railroad tickets. Alvogetuer, it struck me tuat @ capital of some- tuing like 4 million would be little enough to in- sure success, Besides tuis, anotuer tact is to be considered, Your populatiou, in its entirety, 1s | made up, not of Ubriity fellows who couid get a living auywhere, but of people who nave to be sup- ported vy charity, and Who are by more fit to go re. such a pioneer work than so many schoul- girls, ‘THE CLERGY IMPRACTICABLE. Allogether it strikes me that the congregation of philanturopists which gathered in Dr, Deews’ cuurch to listen to this poor apology of adieam must have been extremely ediied and amused. [ never thought the clergy very ad buta plan | ility. Aud so oue device after anotuer comes up and is laid aside. You cannot cart all the poor people of | New York into South Carolina and dump them down on the exhausted soil of its pineries aud get | rid of the problem of poverty in that way. shall always uave a large population to feed when- ever we are struck by a pauic and wheuever the winter is peculiarly severe, and the best thing to do is to create @ Christian public opinion, which | | “Ah! it’s an ungrateful world we live in,” he re- plie nd true merit goes unrewarded, while shams and hypocrisies pile up wealth.” Ladvised lum to get an honest living, but to no purpose. He was born to evangelize the worid, and coud noi unk of stooping to manual labor. And so he left me to carry*his nousense to 2 bet- ter market, = * TRE GOOD WORK DONE. Now, on the otner hand, what an amount of really charitable work, and of tue true kind, has been done in this city during the last winter. £ | wonder how many thousands have been ted and | clovned? This large-learted sympathy towards | the poor is twice blessed; it biesseth hitu tiat | gives and him tnat takes. Soup houses ail over the city report numbers in waiting actually fabu- lous, Not only the churches, but private geatie- men also, uave contributed in the most marked way to the general alleviation of suffering and wait, Thousands, who are too proud to beg, have seen the starvation wiich stared them in the face gradually vanish before the presence of that true agree | Which does not take pride in cuarity, | but rejieves the poor, because, according to the bebekecd | religion, the poor are the wards of the | rich. Bat [hear some surly philosopher, who guirds | his money bags very careiully, saying, **Why need | peopie suffer by poverty? There’s always work enough lor a bright, stirring, shrewd maa.” That | ig true, indeed, my friend; it very rarely happens | that a DIED, stirring, shrewd roan goes to a soup | house jor his meals, The working Classes are un- | doubtedly improvident. They get very large Wages, more per year than the salaries of minis- | ters throughout tue land will average, and they certainly would, if they had an atom o! prudence, opens the plethoric purses of the rich to alleviate suffering. The last three months show what we can do, and we stand ready to do more next time. CULMAX, The Congregational Council—The Great Gathering to Take Piace Next Tucs- | day—Seventy-nine Churches to Send | Delegates—Plymouth Chaurch’s Position. On Tuesday the Council which is called to define | Dr. Buddington’s church, in Clinton avenue, | Brooklyn, Seveuty-nive churches have been in- vited to send delegates, lay and clerical, but seve- ral of those first invited have retased to partici- pate. Seventeen minisiers not in the pastorate— editors, educators, &c.—will come as delegates at large. At least 125 persons will constitute the court. They come from Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont, Massachusetts, Rhode Isiand and Connecticut and New York city and | State; from New Jersey, the District | of Columbia, Ohto, Michigan, Lilinois, Wisconsin | aud Missour!, Lhe cuurciesin this city and vi- Cinity that have sent delegates to the Coancil dre the Broadway Tabernacle aod the First churci in | Harlem; State street, Kim place and the New Eng- | land churenes, of Brooxlyn, and the Lee avenue, A NIGHT OF SHAKING | of his lite. A Herald Correspondent on the Quaking Mount. AND TERROR. Save your | Scene at a Farm House During the Upheaving. Foor or Baup Mountain, MCDOWELL Counry, N. C., March 21, 1874 Last night there was a succession of terrific shocks on the sides of Bald Mountain, accompanted by a sharp thunder storm. Simultaneously with the thunder, quick and loud reports could be heard from the mountain sides. I stopped atthe house of ab Old iarmer, who welcomed me and said that ne would like to have a hundred in the house, as the mountain Lad scared him nearly out During the night, wuen the rumbling was at its heignt he got up, and, assembling bis family around him, held a family prayer meeting. ‘The whole neighborhood was aroused in like man- ‘The shaking of the earth was quite pereepti- As yet ner. ble, and it was a!most Impossible to sleep. | no one hag been able to give any definite account of the source of the convulsion, A HERALD CORKESPONDENT ON THB MOUNTAIN. I started up the mountain this morning at seyen o’elock, and had ridden over three-quarters of a mile when @ sudden shock occurred, which so terrifled my horse shat he became uamanageable. He ran me aguinst a tree, and unhorsing me, left me on the ground so much bruised in tae leit side and leg that 1 was unable to remount, I have @ guide who will go up with me if I am able, when Isuall be able to send full and deflaite information, INTENSE FEAR OF THE BUSTICS. after sixteen days of prayer meeting, during which time the people le!t their cattle and crops to take care of themseives, they seem now awaiting some terrible calamity, and in many instances their anxiety is really distressing: Nearly 200 converts to religion are reported. GEOLOGISTS ON THE SPOT. Aparty of students from Spartanburg, accom- panied by @ proiessor of geology, arrived at Rutheriord last evening, aud will make a scien’ | examination, Old Baldy Frightens Religion Into Over Forty Sinners. Our North Carolina exchanges confirm all that has been supplied by our special correspondents as to the commotion in Bald Mountain, North Varo- luna, and it is very evident that ths people resid- ing in the neighboruood uf tue threatened volcanic eruption are greatly alarmed. A correspoudeat of the Asheville Ploncer writes :— In relation to the phenomenon that ts now tere ritying tue people iu tue Meignverhood of the Bald Mountain candor furces we Wo adunt that ldo not believe their sears altogetuer groundless. T Was Ou the mountain ou tue uight of the Ist inst. The noise seemed to be under the groun in small Valley bensath What are called tue Roun and tue Stone Muuntans, tiougu | ovuid not ex- actly determnive the locanty. Sumeumes the shocks are Very heavy, accolupauied by s.uads similar CO the detunaiions of uruuery, wd the eurth 1s shaken jor wiles around. A very perceptiole movement ig seen among the trees When tue Viorations take We | place, and the wouses ave sudiciently jarred to arouse children irom ther Digully s.umver, When they maniies their ingut by cries and screams. Lhe sound 18 Wore uislinclly heard im the valley than any Ocher piace, ‘dhe people Wadlive in tue vicinity are very uch alarwed and many of them | are prcparing to eugrate. A protracted meeitn, | 18 in progress in the Mamediate Relzuborhvod, an upwards ol Jorty pecsuns fave projessed religion aud joined the Baptist cuurei—tne only denomi- Dation in ths section. Prayer meetings prevail, in which all take au active part, irom the worst sinuers to the best and purest Chriscians, I al vended oue of these meetings and fee: safe In Bays ing toat it was tue first reigious assempiy Lever wiinessed Where every Ove Was 80 deeply inter- ested in the sulvation Oj the souL If this noise is the standing and relation of Plymouth clmrch to | jollowed by no destructive eruption it will ve @ others in the Congregational fold will assemble in | good thing for these peopie in a religious point of view. These Subterranean sounds are not con- stant, bul are heard more or less uisiimetiy every ay. wand can be bought at trifing prices at this time on the Bald Mouatuin, but uo one has ab iu clination to purchase. ‘As | did not visit the locality for the express pur- pose of Writing an elaborate account o1 this in- teresting subject you must excuse this hasty aud indefinite harration of what 1 wicnessed, Some of the State papers far removed from the danger seem disposed to be tunny over tie ner- vousness of "Old Baldy,” and suggest that he is suffering from the eflects of delirium tremens caused by the Illicit whiskey stills located in him, The Raleigh News is one of these, and it thus announces the departure of its “local” with the HERALD correspoudent :— Puritan, Viigrim and Clinton avenue churches, of the same city, Tue Council will be the largest | body of the kind and the most famous ever gath- | ered in this section. Plymouth church has veen | save money for just such times as this winter. But nection wita city populations, and also in connec- tion with different ciasses of people, which must | not be ignored, One o/ tiese facts 18 that a very large proportion of tie working classes never have saved anythin, aad never Will. 1t 18 their nature to be improvident. They spend as they go, they | live irom hand to mouth, and they always will. y do not say that they are incapable of education in this respect, but [ do say that they are poor because they are improvident, and they are also improvident because they are poor. It is the na- | ture of Some people always to be behindhand, and it seems next to linpossibie to teach them to be otherwise. Now, then, when you get together | 1,000,000 people, a8 in this city, a iarge number wul | be shrewd, Saving and fortunate, and they wiil, after some years, buy ireestone ironts on the ave- | nue, A Stil larger pumber wiil be always strag- | giing alter the same result and never quite attain- | ing lt, for exactly wnat reason no man can tell, | and these will live in well-to-do fashion on tle side streets. And then a number, larger than these two together, will have no higher auwbition than to | get their wages regularly, to have steady work, and to shirk even that as much as possible, and | these will live well when there is plenty’ and | starve the rest of the time, Now, that division | secms to be inevitable. It was true of Athens and Rome and Babylon, and it is true of every city on the ee tovlay. If you ask me why it is so, confess to being puzzied, key the know that the rich have very littie patience with tne poor, but you might just as reasonably become im- patient with a man for having a black skin, Prac- tically he can’t help it, and, practically, the rich | man does not deserve half the cregit he gets for being wealthy. There seems to be something tn luce. Some inen will make money where otuers | Jose it, and you cannot tell why the one makes it | nor why the other loses it. Ihave seen men who had a genius jor money making, and who seemed, besides to be lucky at every move. No maiter what way they turn the wheel doilars come out, ‘They are surprised at themseives, and others are | equally surprised, And | have seeu other men | work bia shrewdly aud persistently, and every time they got hold of the money bag it slipped irom their grasp, CHRISTIANITY THE ONLY REMEDY. Now, any attempt to rectify tnese things will be | futile until their logic 1s understood, and that | seems tO be about as far away as it ever was. Christianity comes in to supply this detective | social economy, and teaches us to be neighbor | unto the poor man, whatever may be the cause of his poverty. Most nobly bas New York lilustrated | the beauty of the command during the last three months, Better than all proiessions of faith, bet- ter than all theological creeds, has been the solid Christian work in which the churches have been engaged. Hungry mouths filled are sometimes | better than prayers; and if there is only time to | do one, I take it the good Lord is pleased when we | work rather than when we only talk, THR GENEROSITY OF NEW YORK. And how true it is that New York is one of the most generous Cities in the world! People tell u3 of its Want of principie. Well, it may be 80; but no one can denounce its want of heart, and that is something. They say that every one is [els his neighbor's purse and resorting to all manner of disionesty to get money. Well, that may be true also; but this one thing I say for this great city, that if I had @ new plan, a feasible one, ior the good of the greatest numver—i I wanted to get money for & phuanthropy that was genuine—if I wanted to build @ church for the masses, or do anything else that was oy worthy—I would ro to the merchants of New York to get the money, hey are easily moved, very willing to give when they have confidence, and have not an atom of Sp about them, t the same time they have no patience what- ever with @ plan which does not commend itself to their busin invited to attend by its pastor and delegates, there are certain {acts, inexorable tacts, in con- | Not as equals, but as accused and as Wituesses | tooth comb, against tuewseives. The Church and pastor have most emphatically declined to counteuance the gatoering or to attend under these circum. | stances. ‘Their reply to the invitation has been publisned already. Dr. award | Beecher has also published avery able analysis Ol the Whole case aud presented the Plymouth church understanding Ol the real point at issue qetween it and the other churches that have calied the Council, ‘The iatter jusist that “looseness” and “irregularities” exist in Plymouth church, and that its pastor has not only sanctioned, but en- couraged, these things. They, Of course, caunot countenance such looseness aid ureguiarity, and, having done all they could in the epistolary une to induce either the clurch or pastor ot Plymouth to | cry out peceavi und to promise uever more to sin after the same manner, they have now called the Council to tell them whether they shall longer con- | sider ir, Beecuer and bis brethcen as brethren io | Christ and members of the one true Congregational | fold, They did not require advice wien they be- | gan to write letters, but when they ceased to write Uney did, Had they asked counsel in the beginning they wight not have needed it in the end, | Plymouth church, of course, denies the charges | of looseness and irregularity. It insists that every | Congregational cuurch is @ iaw unto itseli, and wo its own master it standeth or ialleth, it has fol- | lowed its own manual, It had no jurisdiction over | Kast Sixty-sixth street. & member who had ceased his relation to the church four years before. Besides, the law of the State of New York does not recognize any person as a member of a chureh who has not attended on the ministry of such church for at least one year and paid a reasonable and substantial sum tor the support of said church. Hence, according to the | statute, Mr. Tilton bad ceased to be a member taree years ago at least—iong beiore any charges had been preferred against lum. To try nim eccie- siasticaily would, thereiore, have been a farce; ior, had the charges been investigated and he been ac quitted, he couid not have been thereby restored to membership—a relation that he nad idkt three | Years previous by law aud four years previous by | diseapanary rules. | Feast of St. Joseph at Melrose. At the Church of the Immaculate Conception, | Melrose, Rev. Joseph Stumpe, pastor, tne festival | of St. Joseph was celebrated vith special religious exercises, A grand high mass was celebrated in | assisted, adding to the musical exceliencies of the occasion, in the evening & fepresentation of a | nutnber of the societies of the congregation waited | Upon Kev, Father Stumpe, and made the anniver- | cinct police had arrested Sary of his birth, occurring on that day, the occa- | ion of the presentation to him of a piano, gold | watch and other articies expressive of tieir ap- preciation of his pastoral zeal, Several of tie | clergy Were present, among whom were Fathers | Sauer, of Butaio; Hiiderman, of Alienfown, Pa; Albert, Hunthausen, Dr. Scurader and others. THE THIATY-FOURTE STREBI THEATRE | CASUALTY, | Yesterday morning Coroner Eickhoff held an in- | quest in the case of James Ciuney, otherwise | known as Sylvester, the daring and reckless young gymnast and trapeze performer, who was Killed at the Thirty-fourth Street Theatre, on Thursday evening, by falling and striking his head against | one o1 the boxes while performing @ daring teat known ag the “Leap for Life.” The net usually spread to catch the gymnasts, in case they ahould inil, Was notup at the time of the accident, and the evidence showed that had it been in position it would bave been of no use, a8 deceasea jumped outside of it, On the evidence presented a ver- dict of accidental death was rendered by the jury. Clusey Was Dative of Massacnusetts. Our reporter was provided for a campaign. He badio lus Kuapsack a fireproof suit oi viothes, boots, with spikes 10 Uhem; a copy of “Lunyan’s Pilgrim's Progress,” a psalm bok, a bottle of | spirits of nitre, lor cooling purposes, and a tine We think we can safely promise our readera a full description of the beautiful country | through which our reporcer Will pass, as well a8 & scientilic exposition of the causes which induced | the old Bald to get its back up. Our forthcoming reports will be valuable con~ tributions co the repubiic of letters geueraliy, ant | to the science of geology paiticularly, But jest aside. We lope (o be able, in a iew days, to give | our readers the benedlt of ali the facts 1u regard to this macver that cau be collected ia that section. ‘That tae pleasure which the perusal o: these re ports wil: give to our patrous will amply repay us jor the trouble and expense we uudergo to iurnial them, we have no doubt, CORONERS? CASES. TEN eee Severe > Fatal Railroad Accident, Coroner Eickhoif was yesterday notttied to hold an inquest on the body of Michael Brennan, a child three and @ haif years of age, whose death was caused on Friday evening, in iront of his parents’ residence, No. 164 Korsyth street, by being run over by car No, 17 of the second Avenue Railroad Company, the torses attached to which were driven by Miciaei W. Connery, of No, 314 It was stated that tne horses were going at & slow rate of speed wnen deceased ran in iront of them, and, being knocked down, was crusied to death bere the uriver couid break up. The driver was arrested, but sub- sequently discharged by the Coroner, to appear at the investigation, Suspicious se—Possibly a Homicide, On Friday afternoon Coroner Woltman was in- formed that Edward Hughes, a man tirty-flve years of age, had died in a shanty near the cor- ner of Tenth avenue and Fifty-fourth street, and on visiting the place Hughes was found sitting dead in his chair, with various cuts and bruises about his head and face. Upon making inquiries tt was learned that the day previous deceased had been. Mm @ quarrel with & man named Kyan, during | which he was severely beaten; bat whether the injuries received caused death remains to be de- termined, The body was seut to tue Morgue for post-mortem examination by Dr. Shine, Deceased, i to have been a ma | the morning, at which tue Phitharmontc society | Magid Stuy Ons tae Caine habits, possibly may have died irom the effects of | ram. Tate yesterday afternoon information reached the Coroner’s oflce that the Twenty-second pre- man named Cain on suspicion of being the one who beat deceased, Cam wiil be detained for the present or until sach time as may be required to establish his guilt or j2nocence, Found in the Water. The remains of a child, Whose age and sex could not be ascertained, was found in the House of Refuge dock, Randall's Island, by Captain Gi Of tue ferryboat at that point, and, being vroughe across the river, was sent to the Morgue. Coro! Bickuoll was notided, . — A Fatal Mistake. The Coroner was notified yesterday to hold an inques: over the body of Miss Julia Knight, who died, after @ brief tliness, at No, 381 Warren atreet, Brooklyn, where she was on a visit, Deceased Was @ school teacher, of Yonkers, aud was stop- ing for @ couple of days with some friends. On riday evening she was taken ill suddenly, and died at an early hour yesterday morning. she is said to have been subject to some nervous affec: tion and was in the habit of taking laudanum, Jt believed that she swallowed an over dose of that Deceased was about thirty years old, -*