The New York Herald Newspaper, September 13, 1873, Page 4

CARTAGENA. Bunning Record of Events Tran- spiring in and About Cartagena frem July 28 to August 12, MOVEMENTS OF THE FOREIGN IRON-CLABS Cabinet Officers in Cartagena Living on Sixty Cents a Day, by Decree. OUR CORRESPONDENT’S DIARY The Impudence of Contreras and the Fate of His Piratical Fleet. Energetic Action of the British Naval Officers. Forty-five Shells Thrown Into the Seaport of Almeria by Contreras. Oommodore Werner to General Oontreras— “Until the Present Time, Sir, I Thought I Could Place Oredit in the Honor of a Spanish General, but You Have Undeceived Me. @o Below, Sir!” GILLY ACTION OF THE GERMAN COMMODORE Street Scenes in Car- tagena. (fury of the Mob and Activity o: the Petroleurs, , CaRTAaGENA, August 11, 1873, -Below I continue my diary of the events of the red Tevolution at this place :— JULY 28,—Galvez, ex-Deputy of the Cortes, and mow Generalissimo of forces in Murcia, entered (Lorca yesterday without being compelled to frea jshot, as the small body of volunteers of that town; at sight of the crimson rag of the canton and the Poristling bayonets of his column of2,000 men, retired \eo the mountains until the government would ren- ser them assistance to turn the rebels out of their town, SHE MOVEMENTS OF WAR SHIPS , AND IRON-CLADS. Garvajal, the eager meddler who set Malaga at Woggerheads with itseif some time ago, has gone again for that city in the hope of being able to oust ‘the energetic soldier who is Governor ad interim from the Municipal Hall, and impose a heavy con- ‘tribution on some of the over-rich merchants of sehat city. While Galvez goes by land, Contreras, \the President, goes by sea, on board the Victoria Sron-clad, accompanied by the Almansa. The mu- stineers of the Iberian regiment go with him. The foreign ships permitted the iron-clads to leave port ‘on the condition that they will not hoist the red Mag at their mast heads and that they will not mo- gest the foreigners at Malaga. JULY 30,—Aftér the departure of the Almansa @nd Victoria jor Malaga a French iron-clad hove in Sight and anchored about four miles off the port, On sending a boat to the French ship (the Daim) to inquire the whereabouts of the rebel ships, and Deing told that they had sailed for Malaga, the tron-clad hurried away after them towards that port, with what intention is not known. The only foreign men-of-war in port are the French ship, the Daim, and the British gunboat Pigeon. We are hourly expecting accessions to these of both American and Britisif trigates, The Mendez Nufiez and the steamer Fernando el Catélico are fitting for some expedition (their probable destination is Valencta, I think). About one A. M. the Mendigorria regiment LEFT TOWN VERY SECRETLY dor some place, and though I asked several of the @oldiers where they were bound for none seemed to know. The Minister of the Interior, when re- quested to inform me what duty they were destined for, answered that he did not know. It is very probable, however, that they are gone to at- tack Orihuela, a small town, a short distance from bere, defended by 250 Guardia Civil and carabimeers. On the expedition to Lorga the volunteers behaved ‘mth such insubordination that mone of them Were permitted to accompany the Mendigorria Fregiment. The government finds. itself un- able to place confidence in their courage or dis- ctpline. STATESMEN WHO LIVE ON SIXTY CENTS A DAY. To-day {he newspaper Murcian Canton published decree Wherein the members of the government declare themselves bound to be economical and to confine themselves to the nominal expense of ‘three francs a day for their jood. This proceeds from the palpable design of the Ministers to show their critics and admirers that their conduct is very dissimilar to that of the Ministers of the central government at Madrid. JuLy 31.—At eleven A. M. to-day the secret ex- Pedition undertaken by the Mendigogria regiment atone A. M. yesterday returned, and we are per- mitted to remain no longer in ignorance of what transpired. As I imagined, the point of attack was Orihuela, ‘Which they reached at halt-past eight A.M. They at once opened fire on the town, which was Wgor- ously auswered by the Guardia Civil for a time; the carabincers—twenty-five in number—surren- Geredat once, Perceiving that the Guardia Civil were strongly posted in some houses on Calle Mayor (Great street, or Broadway), the Cantonists Opened fire on them with two nine-pounders, At the first shot that was fired Brigadier Pinero, in command, and his son deserted their brave men, and burried away from their beds, half dressed, through a back window into the fields, leaving their accoutrements and horses behind, so great it @ppeared to them was the need of haste. Aiter the sixth discharge from the cannon the cantonist soldiers fixed bayonets and gallantly rushed to the attack on the town, afd the result of their aash nd gallantry was the immediate surrender ot twenty-five Civil Guards, twenty-five carabineers and two officers. They also captured several stanus of arms and thirty horses, The loss of the Guardia Civil in this affair was eight killed and twenty wounded, while the cantonists had but one man killed and two wounded. The authorities are exultant over their success, and all tongues are busy enlarging the victory, while the true de- tails remain as above. Carceles one of the first who declared Marcia a free and independent ‘canton, while enroute to Albacete to stir up sedition and strife in that town, was captured at Chinchilla by the volunteers of Lorca and conducted to Albacete prison. ‘The British steamer Torch has just entered the port to'relieve the Pigeon, which is ordered to Gibraltar, Avavst 1.—The prisoners captured at Orihuela have been lodged safely on board the Isabel la Catdlica, frigate, now lying at the arsenal. For the signal success which attended the enter- ; NEW YORK HERALD, SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 13, 1873.—TRIPLE SHEET. ‘Prise one rranc win! pe given to each soldier who took part in the attack on the town, THE FACES OF THE CITIZENS are a atudy to-day; they all have such a frigid and austere look compared to their usual self-samcient and victoriously belligerent aspect. Their appe- Utes, too, Iam conscious, fail them, owing to the very gloomy reports we have received from the other seceded provinces, The belligerent Deputy, Galvez, returned from Lorca to-day with his column. He was mounted on Brigadier Pinero’s horse, and had assumed a ‘very martial air when he saw and felt the distress- ing chill which pervaded thegaces of those who ‘were wont to cheer him and receive their beloved Generalissimo with acclamations, and he imme- diately subsided at once into an ordinary civilian laboring under the disadvantage of obscurity, thougn he brought with hima chest with $30,000 in it trom Orihue! For the last two days the authorities here have conceived a strange dislike to the Madrid news- papers, because they contain, so they say, sQ.many exaggerations and untraths, They manifest their dislike to the innocent papers by smearing them over with petroleum, of which we have a large quantity, and setting fre to them. The term pé- troleur may now, I think, be justly applied to all con- cerned in the incendiary act. A large number of officers leave Cartagena at every opportunity that presents; but they are quickly replaced by others from Madrid, These last are persons ousted.disgracefully from the service, and are, therefore, but disreputable nullities, wno seek revenge or a portion of the plunder which likely times'as these we live under furnish. A SCARCITY OF CAPTAINS. The command of the Mendez Nufiez and the Fer- nando el Catdlico har been offered to obscure pilots; but even the obscurest pilot has failed to find courage and ambition to undertake the dao- gerous office. Auaust 2.—-Carceles, the intransigente chief cap- tured at Chinchilla, has effected his escape from Albasete prisop, and arrived here to-day disguised as an engineer of & freight train. The major commanding a regiment of Marcia volunteers at the attack upon Lorca is dying. He is of importance only by being the brother-in-law of Galvez, the Commander-in-Chier, THE IBERIAN REGIMENT left here to-day for Lorca again, with the hope of being able to obtain more money and to replenish the ever-failing treasury of this impecunious gov- ernment. AvausT 3.—The commander of THE ENGLISH GUNBOAT TORCH anti the Secretary of the Consulate went on board the Mendez Nufiez to-aay and informed the pro- visional commander that, though he was not in- duced by official orders, he yet wished to give him a friendly warning that if the Mendez Nufiez pro- ceeded to sea with the intention of bombarding any'town on the Spanish coast where British subjects lived he would compel commanders of British ships to interfere for their protection, and the consequences might be exceedingly un- pleasant. A letter from Almeria gives accounts of the events which transpired there on the 29th ult. It says that Contreras, on his way to Malaga as we thought, anchored his ships close to the town of Almeria an\ sent a request to the municipality to furnish him with 2,000,000 reals ($100,000), A commission went on board from the town to say to Contreras that the municipality and TOWN OF ALMERYA refused to sympathize with the republicans of Car- tagena, and therefore could not furnish money for it. When Contreras heard this he tried to intimi- date them by declaring that in the event of non- payment of the money within three hours he would bombard the town. With this answer of Contreras, the commission ret@rned to report to the munici- pality, who decided at once to RESIST TO THE DEATH, to the cry of “A good republic and order or death!” When the three hours’ mercy that Contreras had granted had expirea the iron-clads lowered their boats and manned them and they pushed off for the attack. But the citizens of Almeria FIRED INTO THE BOATS with such spirited perseverance and good effect that one boat was sunk at once and aaother so badly injured that the recall was sounded from the Inigates. THE FRIGATES OPEN FIRE. When those who had manned the boats had re- turned on beard Contreras gave the order to the frigates to fire, and forty-five shells were sent into the town, doing considerable damage to property, but the Aimerienses were stubborn, and finding it of no avail to attempt coercion the valiant President of the Murcian Qanton ordered the frigates to desist and to weigh anchor for Motril, between Almeria and Malaga. Avast 4,.—While Contreras was advancing on Malaga the commanders of THE BRITISH FRIGATE SWIFTSURE and the Prussian frigate Frederick Charles received notice of the dastardly bombardment of Almeria by Contferas, and at once, pursuant to instructions received from their respective governments, they sailed from the harbor under a mutual understand- ing to meet the Spanish frigates. At the distance of six nfiles trom Malaga the cap. tain of the Swiftsure, who was in advance, saw the Almansa and ordered a gun to be fired across her bow. The Almansa stopped at once, and hoisted the Spanish flag. The Victoria also was com- mande®@, in the imperative way of naval ships, to nalt and upensign. A boat was sent to her from the Prussian frigate, conveying an officer, who in- formed Contreras that he must accompany bim on board, as Commodore Werner desired to see him particularly. CONTREEAS ON BOARD THE FREDERICK CHARLES, When Contreras stepped on board the tron-clad Frederick Charles the sight that met his eyes pro- duced an immediate effect on him. Discipline, rigid discipline, ruled all he saw. Tne Commo- dore, officers, men, even the very powder boys, seemed born of discipline, and the ebon monsters, with thetr heaps of shiny balls, lay silent at their posts submissively, but mutely confessed them- selves to be under the fixed, unalterable law of discipline. What a atriking con- trast this nobie ship presented—these handsome, orderly, nay, courteous men of the North; the se- date, calm look of authority which pervaded a the snow white deck, the brilliant streaks and bars of light emitted by shiny brass work, to the ship which he had commanded—to the disorder which reigned paramount everywhere; the un- couth, dirty, quiet-eyed sons of revolution who manned her, habited in all sorts of costumes, from @ coal heaver’s scant dress of filthy blue to the broad pantaloons, reaching to the knee, of the Morisco-Murcian style, or the ragged breeches of the veritable Spanish lazzarone; the greasy deck, begrimed buiwarks, rusty cannon and unpolished carriages, and the general collier-like appearance of everything! No wonder Contreras stared at everything as if what he saw belonged to another planet of which he had no conception; and Com- modore Werner, after enjoying his confusion for a while, said:— “Well, Sefior Presidente, you seem to have for- gotten the treaty drawn up between us, wherein you and others of your government declared your- selves solemnly bound to respect the life and prop- erty of foreign subjects, and that humane law of the International Naval Code which grants twenty- four hours’ grace to a town before bombardment where any foreign subjects reside. Sefior Presi- dente, please consider my cabin as your own,” Contreras bowe@ his head and passed on. When in the cabin Contreras requested of the Commodore permission to go on board and arrange his papers and to quiet the crew, whomight perhaps otherwise complicate matters, This the Commo- dore granted upon the condition that he should return at the end of an hour. ' “and,” said the Commodore, “as an hour will soon pass away, and you may perhaps forget it in the hurry of your work, I will fire a gun to let you know when I wish you to return.” Contreras returned to his ships and the Victoria and Frederick Charles continued their way towaras Cartagena, side by side, while the Almansa and Swiftsure led the way in the same position. An hour soon passed, but the Prussian Commo- dore did not seem disposed to be tyrannical, and permitted Oontreras to remain aboard bis slip Frederick Charles fired a gun. Another hour passed, and still no Contreras, nor signs of his coming. At the end of the third hour he firea & cannon ball across the bows of the Victoria, which Frederick Charles with orders to BRING CONTRERAS BACK DEAD OR ALIVE, As soon as the boat arrivea Cont was at the gangway ready to depart with them quietly. CONTRERAS’ BITTER PILL. When Contreras stepped on board Commodore Werner said to him, “Until the I thought that I ld place credit in the honor of 7h anish general, but you have undeceived me. low, Bir. about to reply, when the Commo- dore, who found it dificult to restrain his ‘passion, |, “Silence, sir, I do not find myself in a fit con- seers words with such ‘as you. Go be- Poor General and President! The ways ofan in- transigente are hard when imperious monarchy meets him, COMPELLED TO SALUTE THE GERMAN FLAG, At sunset Contreras was on déck taking the air, when a gun was fired by the Frederick Charles— the signal of down colors, ‘The national anthem of Germany was being played; the Commodore and officers had their hats off saluting the flag as it slowly descended, but Contreras had kept his hat on his head—a sign of either contumely or tgnor- ance, The keen eye of the. Commodore saw this mark of disrespect and he at once ordered the music to cease and the flag to be again hoisted. Then, walking up vo Contre: he said, “General Contreras, it 18 customary for all on board this ship tosalute the flag of Germany, Will you have the kindness to take off your hat?” Contreras swept it from his head in the twin- kling of an eye, and made a@ profound apolegetic bow. The music of the anthem began In, and the flag this time was lowered, while all hands saluted it, At night the Victoria ATTEMPTED TO ESCAPE toward Africa; bat her Lied was much inferior to that of the Frederick ‘les, and she was soon overhauled and ordered to continue alter the Almansa, under threat of being fired upon. The foreign frigates, with their captures, arrived at Escombrera fay at noon. ‘The Almansa and the Victoria are not allowed to communicate with the shore or to be communicated with. The Eng- lish and Prussian boats, with armed marines, sur- round them. In the afternoon, after @ mutual understandin: between Commodore Werner and the Captain o} the Swittsure, word was sent to the Victoria and Almansa tha: the crews mast go ashore, but all arms must be left behind, nothing was to be taken @way save what belonged to them personally. The sailors answered.that La would die before they lett their ships. A second order was sent to them, stating that if they did not leave the ships before six o'clock force woulu be used to compel them, upon which the sailors, perceiving that it was useless to struggle against such resolute people as the English and Prussians, obeyed the voice of Discretion rather than the voice of Valor, and lett unarmed. A KIND OF PANIC has smitten the people, ana the canton govern- ment, with all its proclamations, is unable to allay the growing excitement, August 5.—Tne French gunboat Daim departed for Oran this morning to bring an iron-clad, as things look very threatening. Several English and Prussian boats came this morning to the wharf with the stewards to pur- chase provisions, but the mob of volunteers and exasperated intransigentes would not permit them to land for the part the “foreigners” took against them in the capture of the Almansa and Victoria. ‘The general VOICE OF THE CITIZENS calls for instant retaliation upon the British and German frigates, and demands that the fortresses, which mount 300 or 400 guns and are very strong, shall fre upon them. Indeed, we have been ina ferment approaching @ dangerous issue trom early morn until past noon, Though | breathe more freely just now, Ican hardly say how the fermentation that. was 80 apparent this morning has subsided or been subdued. Every act, every word and thought of every man J saw tended toa dangerous conflict between the cantonists and the foreign feet. The national flag was hoisted above fortresses, batteries, port, harbor and ships. The seine battery, with its twenty guns, was pre- pared for earnest war and the fortresses were crowded with soldiers, sailors, marines and volunteers DETERMINED FOR BATTLE, The English gunboat, the Torch, seeing these signs, steamed out of the port and joined her sister vessels at Escombrera. Immediately afterward the Numancia, iron-clad, was hauled out of tae arse- nal into the mouth of the harbor to serve as a bi tery, as she is without her engines. The Mendez Nuiez, iron-clad, had her steam up, as well as the large steamer Fernando el Catdlico, and the mer- chant vessels moved away to the western corner of the fort to avold injury from the missiles that were expected to be showered upon.the turbulent town. Nota shop window was seen open, not a soul was seen in the streets, of those pacifically inclined, The foreign subjects went on board the merchant vessels and some hastened away from Cartagena altogether. However, at two P. M. posters were placed on the walls on which proclamations of the Junta were printed, ordering all shops, coffee houses and restaurants to be opened immediately on pain of a fine of 2,000 francs for each shop closed. In ac- cordance with the order places of business were opened and the town asstmed a more lively ap- pearance, An English gentleman, established in this town for many years in business, was passing a street during the morning with the pyrpose of going on board one of the merchant steamers, and was met by the mob, who made a rush at him, shouting— “KILL THE FORRIGNER !” “OUT HIM DOWN!’ I happened to be passing close to him, and seeing his great danger ‘ called out to him to follow me. My quarters were, fortunately, close, and we both succeeded in reaching them before the mob could overtake us, and a solid door obstructed their en- trance. After restoring the courage and feeling of security in the mind of my English friend with some wine I succeeded in placing him on board &@ merchant vessel unmolested. About four P. M. the commander of the Swift- sure came ashore to see the Consul, but the mo- ment he landed a body of 200 crazed intransigentes surrounded him with insolent words, which were nearly culminating in something more dan- gerous when the Secretary of ‘the Con- sulat Mr, Fermin Cruz, a native of Gibraltar, hastened up and delayed them a moment with soothing phrases. These did not appear sul- ficient to Sppeeee their desire to inflict summary injury on the British Commander, when Carceles, a leading intransigefte, came up and ordered them to respect the foreigner. Under the protection of Carceles the Captain was enabled to reach the Con- sulate and return in safety.@ The Mendez Nuilez, as she was about to be Wharfed in her position, went aground, and the Fernando el Catdlico 1s now engaged in attempt- ing to drag her off. it nine P. M, Carceles delivered a speech in the Plaza de San Francisco upon the capture of the Spanish ships, and declared that the blame was to be attrivuted to the cowardice of the sailors. In- stantly & cry was heard trom his audience “KILL HIM! KILL CARCBLES!” and a pistol shot was heard. A panic immediately took possession of the crowd, and the whole town became alarmed. A body of the pétroleurs took advantage of this ore and proceeded to the Casino Ln eygnees deral, the members of which are friendly to Madrid, and pulled the doors down and smashed the furniture, but a body of 100 armed Volunteers saved the building from a blaze of petroleum. The is past, and the conflict which was ex- pected mot occurred. The delay must be ac- credited to the Junta, who are aware of the result should they precipitate themselves against England = Germany, as well as the rest of republican ‘pain. REFUSING TO DELIVER UP THE IRON-OLADS, Avoust 9.—Yesterday, at four P. M., two small Spanish steamers arrived at Escombrera from Alicante, with about 800 men on board, consisting of satiors, carabineers and civil guards, sent by the government of Madrid to take possession of the iron-clads Victoria and Almansa. ‘The Prussian Commodore, however, refused to permit them to board them, as he had no instructions from his government to that effect. The steamers, one at Escombrera and the other at Torrevieja, are com- pelled to await the authority of the German gov- ernment. As soon as the cantonists of Cartagena were in- formed that government troops were at Escom- brera they determined to attempt driving the steamer out, but here, also, the Prussian Commo- dore, who seems for the time to be general arbi- trator and dispenser of fortunes, set his foot down and informed the Murcian government tnat he could not permit them to be molested, and that if the fortress fire onit they must take the conse- quences. “ Antonio Galvez was recalled from Murcia last nigift aud ordered to bring all his troops with him, which is probably with a view to attempt some- thing disreputable in connection with the Madrid government steamers, ‘This morning the Murcian government sent word to the Prussian Commodore, telling him that if the Spanish steamer does not depart from Escom- brera at once she will be fired upon by the fortresses without injuring any of the foreign ships, The Consul conveyed this order to the Commodore, but be bas returned no answer yet, though it ts now nigl AuGust.10.—The answer returned the govern- ment by the Prussian Commodore was that, ‘‘con- sidering the watersof Escombrera to be neatral, I cannot consent to the molestation of the steamer, bor permit the troops on board to land,’’ This answer has assured this goverument that no troops will be landed, and Galvez has been sent back to Murcia, CONTRERAS AGAIN IN THE FIELD, AvGvsT 11.—There are now concentrated between Murcia and Albacete 5,600 rebels, command Le Contreras (who was released three days ago), fal- vez, Pozas and Ferrer; 6,000 are e: from Valencia to join them. The Frederick Charles has left for Gibraltar, the British war vessel Pailas has arrived, and the French gunboat Daim has left ior Barcetona. The United States steam Srigate Wabash left Corfa on the Sth, amd is expected here, ao the American Consul assures NE moi overnment steamers Ulioa and Cadiz arrived at Roouorere and alter their commanders had a short conference with the Captain of the Swiltsure they left for East. The Spgnish irigate ls expected, mnt time, sir, |, Views of Eminent Lawyers in Ulinois. O CONOR, EVARTS AND CONELING Qualifications Necessary in a Chief Jus- tice of the United States. “THE BREATH OF THE HERALD FAME.” Critical Examination of the Prominent Candidates. Most Outcago, Sept. 9, 1878, “Interview the prominent iawyers in your sec- tion regarding their views as to who would be the best man for Chief Justice of the United States,” was the order from the corner of Broadway and Ann street. As such mandates receive ready and cheerful obedience, the HERALD correspondent put the tablets of his memory in order and aallied forth, j ‘THR FIRST VICTIM of the inquisition was Mr. Oharles Hitchcock, a lawyer of large practice and of eminent respect- ability.’ He has not mingled much in public life, but his appearances have always been in the high- est degree creditable to himself and beneficial to his constituents, He was President of the late Mlinois Constitutional Convention, and, for the in- terest of the people, consented to serve for a time 48 a county commissioner. Desired to talk Chief Justice, Mr. Hitchcock said:—“I bave supposed that the appointment ‘would be a political one, and have therefore given the matter very little consideration. CORRESPONDENT—It would, of course, be im- mensely better to make the appointment inde- pendent of political considerations? Mr. HircHoock—Certainly. But that is toomuch toexpect, I had supposed that Howe or Conkling Might be the man. Carpenter would be glad to have his colleague out of the way in order tnat Senatorial honors might be made easy for Gov- ernor Washburne without endangering Matt's future. This view would unite Howe, Carpenter and Washburne for a Wisconsin Justice. But ‘as Washburne may now see achance of becoming Senator without, providing for Howe, perhaps his appointment weuld not be urged. Evarts, of New York, would be a good man, but that State has a representative on the Supreme Bench, Ward Hunt, recently appointed. Why not take Davis, of Tilinois, already on the Bench? Then, again, where ig there a better man than Drummond, of this cir- cuit, who has been mentioned in connectiog with the place? CORRESPONDENT—We all know Drammond's worth, but his comparative obgcurity is against him. Mr. Hiroucock—I suppose it is, and it would be hardly seemly to raise him above Davis, who is in the same circuit with him. By the way, why would not Lawrence, recently of our Supreme Bench, make an excellent Chief Justice ? CORRESPONDENT—Hiis recent defeat would mil- itate against any chances-he might otherwise have. ME, HIBBARD, THE REGISTER IN BANKRUPTCY of this District, is a whole-souled man, with a brain full of law anda heart full of humanity. He was captured by the HERALD correspondent just as he (Hibbard, of course) was descending from his new suburban mansion, which is big and broad, partaking of the Hibbard order of architecture. The Chief Justice matter was mentioned. Mr. Hipnarp—I am in favor of the appointment ofa lawyer, not a politician. I don’t like Conkling for the place, but 1 do like Evarts. He is known in Europe, and no appointment would give the satis- faction the world over that his would. But we have a candidate—a modest man, of undoubted integrity, of extraordinary capacity. No jurist is more esteemed and respected than Judge Drummond, ofthe United States Circuit Court. It is worth liv. ing for to secure the reputation that man possesses. With all his learning he has the simple manners of acnild. Ihave the warmest regard for Judge Drummond. If his appointment is not possible, then Evarts is my choice. Evarts would give more satisfaction at home and abroad than any other man prominently named for the place. JUDGE VAN HIGGINS, for many years upon the bench of this circuit, has retired [rom active practice in the courts, but not from busy participation in affaits. His private business occupies much of his time, while the man- agement of the affairs of an extensive corporation give him additional employment. His leisure is given in experimenting in mechanics, and he has Dow nearly completed a pet project, that of (it I Temember) making the steam of an engine work directly upon the wheels, thus discarding cylinders and rods. The Judge said, relative to the Chief Justiceship, “I think that William M, Evarts, of New York, is the most available man,” CORRESPONDENT—But it is objected that New York 1s already represented on the bench, Judge VAN Hiagins—1 do not regard that as a substantial objection. New York isa great State, and is entitled toa full representation. Appoint- ments should be made to the Supreme Judiciary regardless of all considerations other than the fitness of the man. A candidate for the place should be above suspicion of any kind. A man who has been active in politics can hardly bear that reputation—at least, he caunot be generally ac- ceptable, Ihave never heard a word. breathed against the integrity of Evarts, and he is-eertainly @great lawyer. He is the most available man mentioned. *CORRESPONDENT—There is some talk in the West of Drummond. Judge Van Hicatns—He can hardly be appointed, but he is an excellent man; he has been upon the Bench for twenty years and has given universal satisfaction, but he is overshadowed; Davis might be promoted, in which case Drummond ought to have his place as associate justice; there is Trum- bull; of course his appointment 1s out of the ques- tion, but he has the requisite talents; I do not know how he may feel about the matter ; his record on the Supreme Bench of this State secured him the confidence of the profession and the ople ; but he cannot be appointed; on the whole I think Evarts is the most available man. A LEGAL COD CATCHER, Mr. Leonard Swett, one of the lights of the Chi- cago Bar, has just returned from cod catching on the coast of Maine, and was at once caught by the HeRaLDcorrespondent. When questioned as to the Chief Justiceship he said that he had so little to do about the appointment that he hadn’t taken the trouble to form an opinion. To spur his mental ma- chinery into activity the correspondent suggested that Drummond had been named in the West. Whereon Mr. Swett extolled the Judge most cordially, showing his singular fitness for the place and asseying that from his habits and education h®¥ would make as hae a pon dh could be found in the world. rummond had never been anything but a judge, and during ail. his time upon the Bench had de. voted himself to nothing but the law. Mavis was a eat lawyer, but Davis had been in forty things. Uhase was an eminent justice, but politics could always divert him from judicial troughts. Taney was agreat judge. He had no predilections, and settled questions upon their legal aspect only. Drummond's singleness of purpose would make him efficient. He would not make as good a com- missioner to Geneva as Evarts; he mig t not write as rhetorical a decision; he was not the man of the world that Evarts is; but he would make a better judge. Mr. Swett feared that a PrascEs would be given the place, and lamented that such an ap- pointment was possible, THE LADY LAWYER. Among the mi intellectual ladies that dis- ee Chicago Mrs. Myra Bradwell, wife of judge. Bradwell and editress of the Legal Neu holds a ioremost place. She is a woman of mark ability, and, although in years past she used to be rominent in the woman sufrage agitation, tne me of her speeches were of a practival rather than a utopian character. Consequently the H&RALD correspondent thought that Mre, Bradwell would be @ very iit person to interview on the question of the Chief Justiceship. He found the lady at her desk in the News o' and stated the object of his call with the. customary journalistic brevity. Mrs. Braawell paused fora moment and then replied :— “The matter of selecting an efficient man for that high office is a gfave r sibility. Of the many candidates mentioned I should fayor Mr. William Evarts, of New York, or Senator Roscoe Conkling. Either would make & good Chiet Justice. I am aware that Mr. Conkling, being in politics, may be objectionable to many people, but his in- tegrity. 1 think, is unquestionable, If he cannot have the position Mr. Evarts, [should say, would be the next most available man. I think that the ap- intment of Mr. evarté would be satisiactory toa jority of the nation, BRLATIVE TO MR. CARPENTER Tave nothing to say, and Mr. O’Conor has been THR CHIRF JUSTIORSMIP, | S328 Bradwell said Mra, while she slo corrected @ proo! et a Ta ao suavity of manner that utterly repels the idea Before your corres; tant lett she remarked, laughingly, that the ‘Gunanp had not forgotten its tomed , and was to hear MB BG. ASAY is one of tne ablest criminal lawyers in this State. His reputation in the civil branch of his profeasion .. fs scarcely less, He possesses the finest vate Library in the West, ana has an acai Mr. said:—The HEBaLD is Scag. wal Cp by agitating. matters of such impo: ce his, although 1am not aware that a Bar nomina- tion is ever successful with the professional politicians. hink, SPEAKING FROM EXP£RIENCE, that ifthe American bar were polled to-morrow, an overwhelming majority would nominate Charles O’Conor, of New York, for Chief Justice. He is virtually the father ofthe bar. His reputation is world-wide, id his honesty has never been im- EE. "Tis true he has no experience on the ach, but, toa man ol his genius, that would be no obstacle. He has a most powerful intellect. CORRESPONDENT—Would not O’Conor’s political record and his foreign name tell against him ?’ Mr, AsAY—Oh, his name is [rish, but that would @o him no harm. We are ABOUT ONE-FOURTH IRISH ANYWAY. I am @ pure-bloeded Yankee, but I would go for O’Conor to-morrow. He was born in Ameri too, I believe he is a Catholic, but his tatth woul not operate against him with men of any liberality. It might have weight in certain Puritan districts of by land, but not in the Middle States or the est CORRESPONDENT—Who would be your next choice? Mr. Asay—William Ev: by all means. After him Roscoe Conkling. Mr. Evarts is well known and is anintense student, His elevation to the Chief Justiceship would be grateful to the Bar, and, Ithink, tothe people. He would not be so hand- some in his robes of office as Mr. Conkling, put nobody cares about physical beauty in a Chief Jus- ons eal me late incumbent was generously gifte y. CORRRSPONDENT—What do you think of Matt Car- Penter't CARPENTER TOO WILD, Mr. Asay (laughing)—Carpenter, eh? Too wild and uncertain. Has got himself mixed up in some confounded woman scrape, and is, besides, a re- catry iar heavier’ weight oetore he can become,so- eavier wel fore he can mi ceptable for such an oifice, aici RRESPONDENT—There is Judge Drummond, of this circuit? Mr. AsaY—A very very gentleman and an excel- lent lawyer ; but, my dear sir, America must have & man that is known all over. Now, the New York men have the advantage over.all others, that they are known in every section of the Union. Fame rises in_ the East and only stops ata few stations on its Westward course, THE BREATH OF THE HERALD IS FAME. Its candidates become the national property. Our press here is very able, but the metropolitan influ- ence of the Eastern press ta universally recognized. Perhaps in fifty years or less we may come up with you, but we will have to be patient. I am for O’Conor or Evarts. ‘This closed the interview. MR. VAN BUREN DENSLOW, formerly of the Yonkers (N. Y.) Statesman, more recently associate editor of the Chicago Tribune, and now & prominent counsellor at-law and Pro- fessor of the ese pareretiy of this city, was also questioned on the subject, reply he spoke sub- stantially as follows:— Eastern man 18 sure to be nominated. I should have no objection to Conkling. He isa very able man—far ahead even of his reputation. Mr. Evart’s reputation, on the other hand, is far ahead of his ability. Between the two the ‘choice should be Conkling. The Senator 1s political, to be sure, but he has always been a hign-toned poll- tician. He las never descended to the depths of caucusing and shoulder-thumping. He has spoken in conventions generally, relying on his elo- quence and logic to carry the popular sym- pathy with im. How well he has suc- ceeded the country knows. I have heard him .in the Senate change the minds of his, colleagues in a twenty minutes’ speech re- ere with logic and power. He is not a man who & passion for speech-making. If he were he could have visited the West last campaign and exhibited his imposing talent in that direction. To be sure, the Chief Justiceship will shut him up in politics, but he won’t care about that. He has made all the name he wants to in politics. Itis no small honor to succeed aman like Saimon P. Chase on the Supreme bench. I think CONKLING OUGET TO BE THE MAN. About O’Conor, for a man of his marvellous legal regia’ he is an imbecile in poutics, It is enough to look at his course during the Grant and Greeley contest. His letter to the Louisville Convention was the most incomprehensible ever written or printed. It was shrouded in meaningless mysti- cism. Such a man on the Supreme bench would be out of place. He is poweriu! as an advocate, He would be worse than mediocre as a Chief Justice. Mr. Evarts 1 could not approve and Judge Curtis, of Boston, ig not particularly remarkabie as a legal light. Our Judge Drummond is a very good man, but he is not well pam era at the East. Were he the matter would be different. Believe me, the matter or national notoriety will be carefully considerea and reigned by the party in power before intrinsic worth. Conkling would be the least dangerous ex- periment of all, and I hope he will get the office. J. V. LEMOYNE. The HERALD correspondent then had a talk with Mr. J. V. Lemoyne, who was a candidate for Con- co on the Greeley ticket last fall. Mr. Lemoyne very much respected, both as a citizen and as a lawyer. Having heard what the HERALD repre- sentative had to say, Mr. LEMOYNE remarked—I don’t think that the Bar will have Tie a on Grant or his party. On the contrary, I think that the man favored by the lawyers would be defeated. The politicians will go ior that office. If Conkling wants the place he’li get it, ior he has personal infinence with Grant, Morton and all that set. 0*Conor would be my individual choice. He isa head and shoulders above every other lawyer in the country; but he won’t be nominated. Neither will Mr. Evarts, I think, although he ought to have the next best show. Te talk of making Senator Car- penter or Mr. Howe Chief Justice is all stuf. CARPENTER WOULD BE ESPECIALLY OBJEUTIONABLE. He has been very imprudent of late and has ren- dered himself unnecessarily notorious, That 1s not a good way to prepare for the Supreme bench. O’Conor fs the favorite of the Bar—there is no get ting over that. But, ze on it, as [have said fore, the Grant party will have a politician—some- body they can manage, if necessary. This effect- ually bars out O’Conor, for nobody could manage him. Evarts, however, may stand some show, es- pecially if the HERALD should support him, THE NEWARK CITY FRAUDS. Effect of the Citizens’ Mass Meeting and the Appointment of an {Investigating Committee. Even by those persons and papers who have from the outset given the citizens’ movement the cold shoulder and urged all sorts of flimsy and utterly untenable arguments against he appointment of an investigating com- mittee, the mass meeting of indignant citi- zens, held at Library Hall on Thursday evening, is admitted to have been, in number and charac- ter, an unqualified success, which, beyond ques- tion, it really was. The citizens. regardless of Party, are jubilant over the matter, and nothing Was talked of yesterday scarcely, The defenders of the ring, while not daring to OUTRAGE TRUTH and beard the people by belittling the meeting, its work, or its Committee of One Hundred, are still using all their power, through their organs, to try and prove that the committee is useless and unnecessary. It is claimed that the Finance Committee of the Common Council, in its rooting out the defaulter Broadwell, has proved itself fuily capable of attending to the necessary investiga- tion and withal sincere and reliable. But in the same breath it is urged that some prominent bankers who were spoken of as members of a citizen’s committee would be utterly unsatisfac- tory, because they were interested in city deposits, A report made by them, it is urged, would be con- sidered unreliable. The Finance Committe, how- ever, it is argued in the same quarter, ought to be riectly satistactory to the people, in spite of the t that they are the joint creators of the entire nest of city oMicials and of the same political house- hold of faith, with a single exception. But this argument will not go down with the common sense taxpayers of Newark, and so they demand that the affairs of the city shall be PROBED BY CITIZENS PURE AND SIMPLE. Agreat stress is laid by the ring defenders on the palttiness, of the sum Broadwell stole, $4,; The fact Should be borne in mind, though, that this deficit was found in his accounts for thirteen days only. There ia no knowing what frauds the bal- ance of his accounts may develop. It is not Broad- wells accounts alone that need looking over, It is A PACT WHICH CANNOT BE DENIED that the books in the City Treasurer's office reveal & degree of looseness to the casual observer which is disgraceful, if it 18 no worse, In some cases the original ink entries have been obliterated and easily erased pencilings inserted instead. As before remarked, the HERALD years ago published columns of ijacts proving gross frauds and shameless irregularities in the matter of sewer and street contracts, To this day there has not been made even an ial to them. When the Grand Jury and the public pro- seoutor do their duty the ring whitewash will meit and ledve the black facts blacker than ever. Tho Committee of One Hundred will meet in upper and organiz Library Haft evening, 0 lor the mivortane work DelOre ite ARP! (it CHEAP TRANSPORTATION. Second Session of the Senate Trans- portation Committee. Tho State Committee’s Invitation Accepted—The Canal District To Be Visited—What the Bepresentative of the New York Cen- tral Bailroad Says About Cheap Transportation and the Profits and Power of Railroads. . The Senate Committee on Transportation re- sumed their session yesterday at the Fifth Avenue Hotel. The proceedings of the day were not so in- teresting and important as expected, in conse- quence of the State Committee on Transportation confining themselves to an invitation to the Senate committee to travel next week through a portion of the State, particulars of which are given below; and also to the delegation from the New York Cheap Transit Association, deferring their address to the committee until to-day. The day was ex- hausted nearly by a very diffusive statement by Mr. Worcester on behalf of the New York Central road. THE NIAGARA SHIP CANAL. , Mr. Horace Day read a long paper relative to the Niagara Ship Canai and his plan of passing ships around the Falls, During the reading of this paper the Committee of the State Legislature, consisting of Senators Lewis, Wood and Winslow, and Assem- biymen Prince, Cornell, Fort, Weed and Husted, entered the room. Senator Murphy and Assembly- men Boucher and Pierson, the other members of. the committee, were not present. At the conclu- sion of Mr. Day’s paper the Chairman of the Con- gressional Committee stated the object of the visit of the Legislative Committee to be to consult as to the time which the committee could spare to visit Objects of interest connected with the subject of their inquiry in New York, and also the route pro- posed for their inspection. " THR STATE COMMITTER'S INVITATION, Senator Lewis, the chairman of the Legislative Committee, addressed the Cengressional Cemmit- tee and said:—“Mr. Chairman and Gentlemen of the Committee—We are here on behalf of the State, & committee appointed by the Senate and Assem- bly, to consult with you on your line of action im this State. We would like to know how much time you could devote to travelling through the State. Our desire is that you should start from the city of Albany and go up the Champlain Lake to Montreal, from there to Ogdensburg, thence to Oswego, spending os macy ime as you can in the various places named; from Oswego to Buffalo. We think of starting early in the morning, You can go from Albany to Montreal in one night and spend the next day there, Then it is a very short a day theré. Then on to Buffalo, ina spend a couple of days there to look at the Welland Oauals so that it will take in all for the whole trip #%. days. the Congressional Committee held a congdltae tion as to the route, and afterwards decided to meet the Legislative Committee at Albany on Mon- day, and then and there decide-on the reate to ba followed. The State Committee then retired and the business of the committee was resumed, ENLARGEMENT OF THE ERIE JANAL. Mr. Israel T, Hatch, of Buffalo, read a paper with regard to the necessity of an epiargement of the Erie Canal. THE NEW YORK CENTRAL ROAD. Mr, Worcester, of the New York Central ro: said he would give information as to the Centi road and partly as to the Lake Shore and Michigan Southern. He would refer to two general divis fons—tirst, facility; second, rates. This cry of oppressive rates came from points far West. Rates havé never the slightest reference to the capital of the company or what the company has to bear in reference to its capital; therefore the assertion as to “watering” stocks affe the rates is a delusion, The fact is that the question with railroad men is as to what the com- merce of the country will bear. The on the New York Central road through to icago will cover the rate to Buffalo, and include the expenses of handling freight there. From But- falo to New York the rates get less. Itis worth more to haul freight to short distances than long ones sometimes. This would be illustrated by the unloading and loading of cattle at Buffalo, where there were advantages to unload cattle there, because there, were always empty cattle cars standing and ‘the cattle trade was always very steady there. Discriminating rates are a very Loree advantage to the community, and the objection ta, them is lallacious. Senator SHkkMAN—Allow me to draw attention to a case that I have a personal knowledge of. There is a point on a railroad that I am acquainted with where there isa competition in tho sale of lumber; a‘ railroad company said to one of the firms that if they would undertake to send 3,000,000 feet Arg! year. per woe charge them lower rates. Would not that giving an undue advantage to that one firm? Mr, Worcester—That is done every day, sir, and no regulation in the world will prevent it; the man who is doing the largest business will always command the greatest advantages, By the Chairman—Is not the basis of these dis- criminations competition? Mr. Worcester—The whole of this competition grows out of whatis. called “skirmishing” in the endeavor to secure: business; the mau who is sending freight stays: by the Toad that has given him the first advantages; the fault is on the road which does this first; the roads that follow dosoin self-defence; in reference to “‘watering’’ stock the New York Central is supposed to know as much about that as any road; well, that cry is like the “mad dog” cry; there was & general notion that railroads should yield no more than ten per cent; now it was a notorious fact that the railroads im this country did not Fay five per cent on the cost; I will show A by and by that there has not been, during the last twenty years, in the State of New York, one law passed in favor of any one railroad. The Committee took a recess of fliteen minutes at two o'clock. AFTER THE RECESS, i Mr. J. ©. Churchill, Chairman of the Commit tee of the Oswego Board of Trade, appeared before the committee alter the recess to invite the com- mittee to visit Oswego im order that the advan- tages of the fabs 3 Canal might be put before them, but finding that the committee would be in Oswego for a whole day next week aad that the opportunity would then be ied. The Chi an said that they hoped to have the pleasure of seeing the delegation some day next ‘ween, of which they would be notified. Mr. Worcester resumed his gestimony and said :— In relation to the cost of a railroad, he might illus- trate it by saying that the New York Central road could not be replaced to-day at the same amount ee _ represented by its present published capital senator Sherman—That is, in other words, it could not be reproduced at the of some hun-~ dred millions of dollars. Mr. Worcester—That isso. The minimum rates of transportation would be fixed upon the more expensive rate to operate. The difference between Bien ata pata ace uy ponds ep te e at a paying rate entirely depe skill of the management. tad were not for the economy that is practised on the New York Cen- tral the dividend would be reduced to four cent, and that would be done without perpe extravagance. The New York Central has aver- aged from 1853 to 1869 the payment of a dividend of seven per cent. It is now paying an avorage of ten per cent, but what it pays over ten: per cent would ‘not pay the interest on ar- rearage to-day. The contingent rat or dividend has always reference*to capital stock, The flab! stock in 1872 Was $89,438,000; that ts, the outstanding stock on which eight per cent is paid. There was at the time of the consolidation of the road an estimated value of the combined stock of about $65,000,000, It was afterwards fixed on a general agreement to about en ce By Senater Conkling—The difference between the’ $65,000,000 and the $90,000,000 was made up of what the market value of the road was, and what the road would, in all Pee, with prudent management earn, and be thus able to pay the interest on. The increment of value consisted, of course, to a large extent in the negotiation, Mr, Worcester here gave detailed particulars of the road that was now being built from New York to Buffalo for treight only, and of which 150 miles would be opened this fall, and which would cost about p mace 3 By Senator Conkling—The capacity of a road of that kind would be to move 10,000,000 of tons a year, running trains on each track at fit teen minutes interval in twenty-four hours; that would be 3,000 cars each way. In reterring to the be of railroads, Mr. Worcester said, “If there is anything on the face of the earth that is essen- tially it is a railroad corporation.” He tlias- trated this by stating the difficulties of obtaaing Jegisiation for railroads—there being always. ready-made kind ot opposition to enter- prise by legislators, Senator Sherman—In 1853 the cost of the road ‘was $63,000,000; that incinded the actual cost of the road and the money spent on itup to that time. In 1865 the freight rates on the New York Centrat averaged per ton per mile, 2 43-100 an 1 2 37-100 in 216-100 in 1869, 2 31-100 in 1870, 178-100 im 1871, 1 49-100 in 1872, Mr. Worcester was about to enter atsome length: from this point into canal rates, when the Chair- man said it was then six o'clock, and the commit. tee had some very important business to attend to, and they could not listen to any more of that line of testimony, The committee then adjourned until ten o'clock to-day, when further iroad expert test itimony will be taken, and the delegation from the New. York Cneap Tramsport Association will make a atatementy + ¥ <