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} \ WASHINGTON. Seeretary Fish on the Foreign Pelicy of the Government, He Does Not Want to Annex the Sandwich Islands. “When the Heavens Fall We'll Catch Larks.” Summary of the Proceedings of Congress Yesterday. dine cilities THE HOUSE IN AN ECONOMIC MCOD. A Senate Bill to Amend the National Cur- reney Act of 1864, Whe Presidentand the Cabinet to Press the Suit Against the Credit Mobiliers—Alley Anxious for Martyrdom—The Pay of Congress- men—General Sherman on the Hw Orleans Difficulty. Wasurnoton, Jan. 7, 1873, Emterview with Mr. Seeretary Fish—No Mepe for Cuba—The Sandwich Islands, United States & Co.—Annexation when the Sky Falle—“What Larks Pip!” Your correspondent called yesterday on the gen- Geman who presides at our State Department. After the usual delay caused by the many visitors— foreign diplomats among the number—he was ad- @altted into the presence of our worthy Premier, who returned his salute with the lofty politencss of a grandee. ‘The most inveterate of Mr. Fish's detractors ean- Bot but feel a change come over his dreams as he meets face to face the frank, benevolent-looking ld gentieman, with his cheerful, pleasant smile. Se, after some introductory remarks, your cor- feapendent felt the courage to introduce the deli- @ate subject of Cuba by the following query :— Oonnesronpent—Is there to be any change in the Policy of our government with regard to Cuba? ‘Mr. Fisu—-The Cuban insurgents are in abeut the Game position to-day as they were three years ago. Tt seems to me they have gained po material ad- wantages since then, nor, indeed, carried on 8 regular warfare at any time. CoxnesronpENtT—Then, your opinion, Mr. Secre- tary, is that there exists no more reasons now for Fecoguizing the Cubans as belligerents tuan there were before? Mr. Fisu—There is not a particle more ground for giving belligerent rights to the Cuban insur- gents than there was three years ago. They have @ot even the semblance of a government. They ave no civil or military organization. They hoid Bo fortifications, no cities, Bo ports, Ror, indeed, @ny place for any length of time. They are hiding fm the swamps and mountains, living on roots calied yame and other wild-growing preducts of the soll. They have had innumerable engage- @ente with the Spanish troops, which both Mgerent rights toa party of insurgents who have @0 seat of government, at least none that can be sound, CoRRERPONDENT—There has been & report about @00-operation of South American republics with the United States in faver of Cuban independence. Mr. Fism (disdainfully)—Yes. Ihave seea in the Papers some correspondence between Colombia end San Salvador, but nothing will come of it, CORKESrONDENT—What might be the object of our government in sending three war vessels to the Sandwich Islands? Is it some scheme of an- mexation? Mr. Fisn—No other object than to protect the United States citizens living in that part of the world, Whenever there is trouble in some semi- Civilized country it is the custom of great Powers to send ships-of-war for the protection ef ther citizens or subjects. A show of force always pro- Gnces & salutary effect on semi-civilized minds; although I believe that the Sandwich Ielanders are almost completely civilized, having embraced the Christian religion, and | antinpate no violence there, because the natives are mdustriou: and peaceable. I am informed that the choice of the future sovereign is to be made on the sth of thy month, Mrs. Bishop, a niece of the deceased King, will, perhaps, be made Queen, there being no Salic law in the Sandwich Islands to prevent a ‘woman from occupying the throne. Our govern. ment has no scheme of annexation in VieW iD send ing these war vensela. CORKRSPON DENT—Suppyse the Sandwich Islanders should ask to be annexed? Mr. Fish—Suppose the *ky falla, then larks will be plentiful. We do not suppose anything, We act Bpon present emergencies, Bot upon what the future may bring forth, | do not deny the pos bility of such an event at some future period, but Jor the present the government has bo such arrwre CORRESPONDENT—Ie there hot a good foundation for the report that Mr. Bvarte woul be your suc cessor after the ith of Merch? Mr, Fisn—There you are at it again, | canner @ay anything on that sulject, aud | woulde’t WI ‘The bell here announced a visitor of importance. ‘Mr. Fish indicated Anis vy @ smile, and jour corre S#pondent withdrew. Cabinet Meeting. At the Cabinet session te-cay, at which all the Aepartments were represented, Secretary Helkoap Tead a telegram received from General Emery, maying that everything Was quiet there. General 4 Be Cabimet did not have any matter of auesual imiportance hefore ir. Se.uators Anxious to Arm Our Indian Bwethren=The Reasom Why of Indian wars ‘The debate in the Senate on the Indian Appro. priatiow bill has developed the curions Met that the Senatwrs from fronticr States, and others the *“Ring»” are anxious to permit the uf arms and ammunition to the sens of Why got? If they cannot obtain guns, powder Jead, Bow can there be any little wars, #0 ableto the frontier States; especially lowed.by ® treaty, conveying away thousands acres of, land for a mere song. Congress mtight well deprive Eastern politicians of their custom House, past office and lighthouse appoiatment patronage ax' to interfere with the perquisites the profits of Indian traders and Indian agents. A Bill to Amend the National Carrency Act. Senator Buckingh’m introduced a bill tm the Benate to-day amendaiory of the National Cur- its sale she pow HF i r te Fency act of June %0, 1864, The bill provides for free banking, prohibits direct or indirect payment of interest on deposits, allows United States bonds Dearing coin interest to be counted as weil as law- fal money in the reserves, and provides that banss may redeem their circulating notes either in coin or in legal tenders, or in United States bonds at par with accrued interest at the option of the banks. It also provides that United States legal tenders in sums of $1,000 may be redeemed. on demand of the holder either with coin or with United States currency bonds bearing a coin interest of 365 per cent, and that the principal of any United States bonds bear- ing coin interest shall on demand by the holder be paid by the United States Treasurer in legal tender notes and the interest In coin. All bonds issued under the provisions of this act are to be free from State and municipal taxation, The last section re- quires the Secretary of the Treasury to issue bonds as herein described—legal tender notes ef denom- inations not less than $100 and $5 respectively, and to make all regulations necessary to execute the provisions of this act. ia The Improvement of the Brooklyn Swamps and Overfiowed Land«. Senator Anthony, of Rhode Island, offered a reso- lution to-day directing the Secretary of the Navy to enter into a contract with the New York and Brooklyn Improvement Company for the lease and improvement of the swamp and overflowed lands connected with the United States Navy Yard at Brooklyn. The company is to expend $500,000 in said improvements and enjoy the use of the lands and contemplated docks for fifty years as compen- dation theretor, of be reimbursed if the government takes tlie property sooner. “Watch-Dogs of the Treasury” Blocking the Games of the Lobby. Those republican Senators who scem to think that they are the guardians of the Treasury had an informal meeting this morning in a committee room at the Capitol and agreed not to permit the passage of any bill calling for a considerable ex- penditure of money, unless one or two ef the pro- posed subsidized steamer lines be made an excep- tion, This seals the fate ef at least fifty jobs “of high and low degree,” and when this paragraph returns to Washington, printed in the HERALD, the lobby will take due notice and govern themselves accordingly. Some of them, especially the four or. five clever women who are 80 diligently at work, may pick up a little contingent fee for aiding in squeezing a job into the Appropriation bill; but the anticipated fat pickings will not be had. Meanwhile the Senate will not pass any jobs between now and the 4th of March. Every Member to Have His Salary Paid Monthly—The Probable Effect. After gome proceedings of minor Importance the House went into Committee of the Whole on the Legislative Appropriation bill, whieh, in itself, would have been dull and dreary work it it had not given rise to an important amendment, by Mr. Hale, to the effect that every member elect can draw his salary at the end of every month after March 4, provided he was not known to be under political disabilities, This proviso gave an oppor- tunity to Mr. Cox to declaim against “the old spites and old hates of the war,” and his amendment omitting it was carried by a close vote. As Lamar, from Miesis- sippl, was the only member under political disabilities which have already been removed by Congress, the proviso would have been quite in- nocuous. Mr. Hale’s amendment has accomplished, however, a far more important result than that of relieving impecunious members. These being pro- vided for there will be no occasion for the next Congress to meet until December; otherwise there would have been a desire on the part of many Con- greasmen elect to meet and organize on March 4 1m order to obtain the right to draw salary. Once organized the mania for legisiation which charac- terizes dominating parties would have rendered an early adjournment avery dificult matter to reach. Ne Pay for Members Whose Seats are Contested, and No Expenses for De- feated Candidates. A farther amendment providing that no member elect shall receive his salary if kis seat is contested until he has been sworn in after the meeting of the next House was likewise passed. Mr. McCrary offered another, to the effect that the expenses of unsuccess{ul contestants shall not be paid by Con- gress in the future, Hitherto the absurd rule was that successful contestants received no compensa- tion, while unsuccessful contestants had all their expenses paid out of the contingent fund. Thus $173,695 were paid during the twelve years pre- | ceding the Forty-first Congress, and $105,000 during the succeeding two years, making a total of about two hundred and seventy-five thousand dollars, which does not include the sums expended by this Congress for unsuccessful contestants. This amend- ment was also passed. Shall There Be an Extra Session of the Sen: 1 The House having decided to-day that the first session of the Forty-third Congress shall not com- mence until the rst Monday in December next, it remains to be seen whether the President will convene an extra session of the Senate on the 4th of March next. The only thing to be done wil, be the confirmation of any new Cabinet officers who may be appointed on that day, and the Presi- dent can be more independent and untrammelied in making his selections if not hampered by the Senate. The House in an Economie Mood—Usefal Work Accomplished—A New Member. The House did much useful work to-day, and ‘would have accomplished still more if some of the members who love to hear themselves talk had not wasted time with impracticable propositions and foolleh objections, A new member, Mr. Frank C, Bunnell, representative of the Thirteenth district of Pewnsylvania, was sworn in as successor to Mr. Ulysses Mereur, after which Mr. Eugene Hale, from Maine, reported the Naval bill, appropriating about eighteen million doliars, It was ordered to be printed and referred to the Committee of the Whole, to come up to-morrow. An Attempt to Grab the Chinese In- demnaity Fund Defeated, Fernando Wood reported a bill authorizing the Attorney General to examine claims of several in- | #arance companies for losses sustained through the capture of the bark Caldera in 1854, which was dren ashore through stress of weather on the Chinese coast, boarded by an armed force, plun- dered end burned. The insarance companies now Gaim repayment of the losses from the Chinese Indemnity Pond, This bill brought up the vexed question whether insurance companies are entitied to compensation at all for losses ie war or quasi war, Several members, Mr. Kerr among the number, opposed the bill on the ground thet its passage Would be taken as a pre- | eedemt ib favor of the Preneh Spoliation claims and | abso Commit the House tn the matter ef the insur- | Shee companies’ claims to part of the Geneva | eward. Others were against the bill because it | referred to the decision of the Attorney General what is wituin the province of the House itself to | determine, I was Gnally recommitted to the Foreige A@airs Committee and will not come up agelu tus sexsi oB. Patiare of Justice in the Case of Indian Merders. OMetal reports reach the Indian Burean of the failure of thelr ageuls to secure eny proceedings against auy of the perpetrators of the outrage upon two Indians who were taken from the jail at Bremerd, Minn, aed bung by & mob in August More than Sve sondred persons are said to ve been apectators of (he Marder, but no one at- tempted to estily againat it. It is stated also that | Live Snake a6 Indian, sccused of the murder of whije man, has beow indicted upon extremely aod hearsay evidence, and that the Indian | Wal prevebiy be bung The same Indian has also indicted tor the murder of Wwe (eek iauiiy. ; does not require them to report to the Treasury Department or be governed by its instructions. Section 66, however, requires that in no case sball the salary, fees and emoluments of any officer ap- Pointed under the act be more than $5,000 per an- uum, and any additional fees shall be paid into the Treasury, The Treasury Department has decided that certificates for the payment oi the annual ton- nage tax on vessels expire on the day preceding the expiration of the year. If, for example, a vessel cleared or entered from a foreign port De- cember 21, 1872, and paid the tax, her certificate would expire December 20, 1873, The Suit for the Recovery of the Five Millions from the Credit Mobilier. ‘The Clerk of the House to-day sent to the Presi, dent a copy of the resolution adopted yesterday re- questing him ‘to employ twe attorneys to com- menee and prosecute a suit against the Crédit Mo- bilier to recover the interest due the government, amounting to over five million dollars, The Presi- dent referred the matter to the Attorney General, who is undecided whether to recommend the ap- pointment now or walt until the investigation is ended, He thinks the evidence obtained will ma- terlally assist the attorneys and furnish many important facts upon which to proceed with the suit, When asked who woald probably be selected he laughingly replied that a competitive examina- tion might perhaps be useful. “But, with all seriousness,’ said Mr. Williams, “you may rest assured I shail recommend to the President the two best lawyers whose services can be obtained to prosecute the company.” This remark evinced more than ordinary determina- tion, and undoubtedly reflected the sentiment of the President and Cabinet, as the subject was under consideration at the session held to-day. It will be re- membered that Secretary Boutwell, in the Summer of 1870, refused to pay to the company one-half of the amount due from transportation of mails and government supplies, for the reason that the Pacific Railroad was in arrears in its interest; and it was not until the close of the Forty-first Congress that an act was passed requiring him to pay over one- half the amount due on this account, The section, however, was amended so as not to interfere with any of the legal rights of the government to pro- tect its intercst in the trust confided to the com- pany, and it is well understood at the Treasury De- partment that it is the intention of the Secretary to a0 all in his power now to protect the govern- ment from further wrong. Bold Ben Wanted in the Credit Mobilier Business—A Queer Proposal—Alley Wants To Be a Martyr. Butler has been kept at Lowell by the illness of Is brother-in-law or he would have spiced the de- bates on the Crédit Mobilier investigation with some of the facts which are known tobe in his possession. He never had any of the stock, al- though he was once retained by the Crédit Mobilier as counsel. It is proposed to take up subscriptions at the Capitol to enable those Representatives who have had to accept loans from Oakes Ames to re- pay him, Alley now desires to be made a martyr for Ames’ sake, If he can only provoke McComb to assault him he will be even happier than he used to be when, while a member of the House, he used to get the revenue duties raised on leather and the tariff duties 1owéFed on hides, thereby increasing his own profits. The Peaceful Condition of Affairs in Louisiana—What General Sherman “Says. General Sherman, when asked to-day what news he had received from New Orleans, replied that the city was quiet and peace and order reigned supreme. While not doubting the ability of Gen- eral Emory to enforce order he was gratified that there had been no conflict, which, he believed, was mainly due to the last order of the President to General Emory, not to allow an interference with the peaceful assembling of the citizens of that city. This opinion is hkewise shared by the Attorney General. The Louisiana and Arkansas Election: The resolution offered by Senator Sherman yei terday, directing the Committee on Privileges and Elections te inquire and report whether the recent elections in Louisiana and Arkansas had been con- ducted in accordance with the constitution and laws of the United States, &c., was called up to- day, and after a desultory debate was amended 60 as to read “in accordance with the constitution of tne United States and the laws of said States,” and adopted, The New York Central Railroad Scrip Dividend Tax Case, which started with this administration, is likely to outlive it, as the lawyers are to argue it all over, and the patience of the Commissioner is to be long drawn out. The Modest Request of the Banks Un- heard. Fe Assistant Secretary Richardson to-day said, in reference to depositing coin in depositories for the benefit of certain banks, that the laws had been carefally examined and that there was no authority for so doing. The Health of Charles Sumner. Mr, Sumner remains at his house in the hands of his physicians, who secure him troubled sleep by subcutaneous injections of morphine, the effect of which is felt the next day. The reports that he is writing speeches on a variety of topics are without foundation. Morton’s Alabama Claims Bill To Be Postponed. ‘The Senate Judiciary Committee will not be ready to consider the pill introduced by Mr. Morton, pro- viding for the settlement of the Alabama claims, before the last of this month. Unless there is una- nimity in both houses on the plan proposed, claim- ants are fearful that the subject will be left to the next Congress, Appropriations for Forts and Torpedoes. ‘The House Fortification Appropriation bill re- ported to-day appropriates $2,000,000, Of this amount $310,000 are for New England. The New York appropriations are:—Fort Schuyler, $65,000; Willet’s Point, $49,000; Fort Hamilton and addi- tional batteries, New York narbor, $40,000; fort on site of Fort Tompkins, $30,000; Battery Hudson, $29,000. Fort at Fort Point, San Francisco, $65,000; fort at Limestone Fort, San Francisco, $75,000; fort at Alcatraz, San Francisco, $50,000; fort at San Diego, California, $50,000, In addition to other appropriations and for a fort opposite Fort Del- aware $400,000 are provided for torpedoes for har- bor defences and the preservation of the same. Report of the Lighthouse Board. The Lighthouse Board has published its report, with illustrations. There are 179 sea and coast and 394 harbor and river lights; 22 lightships, 354 day or unlighted beacons and 2,762 buoys actually in position; the signals operated by steam or hot air engines, 83. The Board 1s placing as many of these useful afds to navigation as its appropria- tions will allow; but it is experimenting with a view of obtaining more powerful machines, which can be heard with certainty above the noise of the surf and the storm. It is believed our pres- ent signals, the trumpet, the whistle and the ayren, all operated by steam or hot air engines, though not as powerful as desired, are by far the best in the world, The Proposed Mi: ppi and Gulf Ship Canal. On the 6th inst. the House of Representatives passed a resolution directing the Secretary of War to furnish information showing the probable cost of a ship canal from the Mississippi River, near its mouth, to deep water in the Gulf of Mexico, &c, The Secretary, in reply, sent to the House to-day a report from the Chief of Engineers, showing, first, the probable cost of aship canal is estimated at about seven million five hundred thousand dol- | lars; second, the amount expended or contributed for the construction of a canai around the Falls of Ohio ia, by the original subscription and the subse- quent purchase of shares from dividends of United States stocks, $1,709,262; by appropriations by Con- gress, $1,178,200; total, $2,85y,462, Tre B. nees. jury at the close of busi- ‘The balances in the T: ness to-day were:— + $5,440,507 + 65,716,758 + 25,179,500 000 + 26,025, the fifty-eighth anniversary Of the battle of Ne jeans, fought by General Andrew Jackson on the Sth dav pl Japuary, 1815, sda ine ty. of the War of 1812 will celebrate THE CREDIT HOBILIER SCANDAL, Oakes Ames as a Benefac- tor of Congress. How the Nation’s Representatives Nib- bled the C. M. Bait. Ex-Speaker Colfax Denies the Charges Against Him. HE IS OUT OF POCKET $500. Alley Asks a Monument for Honest Oakes Aimes. MCOMB AND ALLEY AT DAGGERS’ POINTS. In the following digest of the testimony of H. 8. McComb, and Oakes Ames is embraced the remain- der of what was elicited from these two witnesses on the investigation into the Crédit Mobilier scan- dal, and for which we had no space in yesterday’s edition of the HERALD:— 2 OAKES AMES. Oakes Ames, after his written and sworn statement was read, in which seve Senators and members of Con- gress were mentioned as having been anxious to get a alice of the Credit Mobiller stock, which Ames, accordin, F 3 oe Saree ot his bog Section a Senin pe Gestead. 10 dispose of among those Whose influence 01 could enlist in favor of the Union “Bacide road, Was cross-examined and the following elicited :—He said one of the things he could never do was to remember dates; he had promised stock to a mostof thom had the promise before it great many, and Was awarded to himself; the capital stock of the Credit Mobitier was increased at one time. from $2,500,000 to $3,750,000, and the increase was to be disposed of to some- body: the stockholders had the frst choice of taking this additional stock if they ehose to pay for it; he took his pro rata out and disposed of it; he ‘sold some to several parties at 95; none of his 250 sharesof stock were ever ransterred On the books of the company to any member of Congress; all of it continued to stand in his own name, and nearly all of it docs so still; about January 1, THE FIRST DIVIDENDS were made; had no recollection of what the amount was and thought all the dividends but one were made in bonds and stock; the funds derived from the sales of gov- ernment bonds Go much & itle) and the bonds of the Union Pacific Railroad itgelf were not kept separate; could not recollect if the dividends in January, 1868, amounted to 260 per cent; in reference to Mr. Coliax his recollection Wi the paid for the stock, though it had ‘to him ; he was unable to state when Mr. Coltax paid the money, but supposed it must have been in December, 1867, of ‘January, 1863; nor was he sure whether Coliax or he owned the stock ; his impression was that several dividends had been paid to Colfax, but could not remember whether he paid them himself or not; his impression was he did, but had no recollection of the amount; inoney to the amount of $2,000, contributed asa fund to Mra Henry Wilson, was invested for her in twenty shares of the stock; it whs afterwards withdrawn by Mr. Wilson, who said’ the investment would never pay; he (Ames) guaranteed Wilson ten per cent for his money when be went in and when he went o pression is k his money back and w per cent for the a ATOR'S SPRCULATION. Senator Patterson bought thirty shares, which were transterred for him to a banking house ih New York— Messrs, Morton & Bliss—who he believed advanced the money to pay for them originally; he understood that he had parted with those thirty shares of stock for the benefit of Mr. Patterson; Mr. Dawes, in December, 1867, gave hitn $1,000 to Invest; there never was any transter of stock to him; the contract was afterwards rescinded, but he could notsay when, nor could he state whether any dividends had been paid to Mr. Dawes; Mr, Bingham was to have twenty shares in the Credit Mobilier stock, but they were never transferred to him; as long as the arrangement lasted, however, le recelved his dividends and in 1870 his Union Pac} stock, yw ¢) hig hands; he received Union Pacific at par, and when it was bought back from him he (Bingham)’ wag paid tho market price, 191, IN REFERENCE TO GARFIELD, , he agreed to get ten shares for him and ho@ fhem until he could pay tor them, but he never did bay, fol vr Te- ceive them ; he received $30) or $100 and called it a loan; he (Ames) Was willing to so understand it; he never gaye any stock nor dividend to either Mr. Boutwell or Mr. Ellfott; IN REFERENCE TO MR, KELLEY, he said that Kelley ered eee were going to have some dividends on the find he came one day and said he was. pressed’ upon a mortgage and wanted to raise $1,000, and, said he, be e@ got the loan, but he never took an; stool never had any dividend; in reference to. Mr. field, he took ten sh 3 aid the att, value ares and p when the contract was afterwards rescinde we ned to him, but cannot recollect if he thing else besides, Senator Fowler never had at Mr. W) 4" fa, got ten Cy and at them; he was Not certain what Mr. Allison did ten shares; both of them sald they were promise shares each, but he could only give them ten. THE LETTERS OF MR. x'COM! published in, vesterduy's Henaco, we rr. Ames, aid he ‘identified ‘them own “handwriting. When asked what by jsaying he assigned so many sich and such States—Massachusetts, fou ware, one; Tennessee, one, and so ‘on—h that it was his mtention to assign one to Delaware, whereas he had not spoken at the time to Senator bay- ard, for whom it was intended ; so, too, te Senator Fow- ler, of Tennessee, but his intention was to assign stock to each of them; this letter was drawn out from him by a letter from ™ ive $5,000 in stock to Senator a he was not sure, but there may have be jum made out of # for Mr. B got any: rsons to whom stock. wi ; e had never had any id g hain more than 81,0 worth of stock ‘corrupting members of Congress by this means he never dreamed of it; did not know they re- quired it, because they were all FRIENDS OF THE ROAD d his friends; if he wanted to bribe a man it would be one that was opposed to him and not his {riend; all, his idea was to have enough of people interested to-fook into the matt ‘id not want any legislation from Con- ; they did not know in '67 but that Jim Fisk and iudge Barnard were going to drive them out of New York, and they did not know but that they would have to ask to have their office removed to Boston; he could not recollect the names of all who wanted to get stock in the Credit Mobilier atter they found out it was going to be a ‘ood thing; among those who applied were, he had no rson, Dawes, Wilson, joubt, Scofield ani Messrs, Pat Bingham and Coltax. HENRY 8. M’CO! Henry S, McComb tn the latter part of his examination testified that his suit against the Credit Mobiller has been going on several years, and that the counsel for Ames had demanded before ‘proceeding with lis cross- examination the production of nama, Jetters, de. he evades fora while, but fin avi eg & COD: one of the letters, but wit! his ft rit tailsded | Ames demanded that the originals should be ma art in the case ofhis suit; he visited Washington last April and had an interview with Ames, whom he told that he had no desire to produce the letters, but that his counsel retused to go on with any further cross-examination until the letters were produced; he said to Ames, “If you willgive me over your signature an agreement that if T gain my suit you Will account to me for this stock, I will surrender all these letters to you, and when I go back to Philadelphia will say to the counsel that I have not the letters aud { will keep no copies of them; Mr, Ames re- plied, exhibiting some petuiance of fecling, “You can publish any letters you have from me; everrbody knows {hat members of Congress are bribed and everybody es it;” he then went to Philadelphia and produced the letters, and that was how they came out; he did not charge that members of Congress recel 1 he knew he learned trom Oa never made any arrangement with any meraber of gress, either instock of this or any other company; the Oredit Mobiller was MANAGED IX A SECRET KIND OF WAY, and, as for him, he never assented, nor was’ his desire Consulted as to this disposition of the stock; th one thing he remembered which he would like to reterence is made in one of Ames’ letters to Durant's action in New York and Washburne’s move in Washin ton; Mr. Ames wrote to him—he t sure hut he to! him—that E. B. Washburne, of Illinois, in his ph House had moved some kind of investigation into the at- fairs of the Union Pacific Railroad; Coltax was in the chair as Speaker of the House, aud’ by sowe parliamen- tary manm@uvre they BLOCKED THR A: and cefeated it; Mr. Ames called hit lention to it and asked him if he did not think that in Mr. Colfax’s case the investment had paid ; reference to the records of Con- ‘ress Would fix about the day and show what Mi . firne's motion was and what Mr. Colfax said ing of the seven trustees appointed to execu | contract a Eire was presented te him (Me€ his signature; it took him by surprise, for if was to be sold properly it could have one by the officers of the company without any such agreement; it was competent for the President of the company to have sold y of the stock in the Treasury if ithad been on a fair basis without any such assent by the stockholers, but they wanted to have the consent of the large stockholders for @ portion of the stock to be placed in Mr. Ames’ a special purpose ; he was assured this stock should not be chargeable to his account; finally, alter SOME ANGRY DISCUSSION, though not knowing after finding out that distribution among meim- ‘of Congress he remonstrated, and demanded, that stock back; his suit for its recovery was begun in the of as he knew Oakes Ames got 375 shares; he was to have 250 original shares With the aceretions, making in all 375; witness admitted it was avery unusual and unwise thing on bis part to sign paper he had not read: his impression w: it Anies t his stook at different times; the first he drew was fifty shares and then there was a second instalment; thouglt he saw his name down fer the first instalment fifty shares, or perhaps it was one hundred. HOW M'COMD WAS CHISELLED, Q. Do you know of his drawing ninety-three shares at any one time? A. No, sir; I was not applied to to sign the paper for that; in fact, it seems to me that he had got @ portion of this stock before that; 1 did not know at the ime I signed the paper that there was another transac- tion of ninety-three shares; I do not know anythin about that; it was a part ot the same stock, I think, but never had ‘any conversation with Mr. Ames about it; I had no expectation of any intention to apply the stock I had claimed for this pulpose until Mr. Ames sald, as 1 have stated, “There is no stock to give you; you consented » say paying. the balance of my stock,” or something of that kind, Q. Have yougiven all the names of the members of Congress of the present House "mentioned to you by Mr. mi A. There bet ‘ave been more names on Mr. Ames’ list than I have written here; these are alll was able to note as he read the names; I wrote them down as rapidly as possible; I did not ask him to repeat the list, for I was airaid he would not do it Q. Did I understand that he gave you another list? A. “He gave a ist of Hames on another occasion prior to this time; he did not know that I took any memorandum one. Ames stated that he did not wish to cross-examine the witness. a The Testimony in Open Session. Wasninoton, D. C., Jan. 7, 1873, The Crédit Mobilier Committee resumed their investigation thig moruing. There were present, NEW YORK HERALD, WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 8, 1873,—TRIPLE SHERBET. ¥ stoc rwards sold. with his nd fiity: | | | among others, Speaker Blaine, Oakes Ames and McComb, in addition to Vice-President Colfax, Mr. Colfa) brief tepinary, ment, was revo ana gave. his testimony in written form, jows:—I expected, after ir would be next one ‘invited before this Committee, on December 16, to be allowed to. and it my tes. ight be ublic; F state explicitly that ve or offe: mega y shares of stoc! Credit Mobilier or the Union Pacific Railroad; have never received nor hi tes to Be any dividends «in cash, stock or accruing in either . ot said organizations, upon ia stock and neither Mr. Ames nor any other pe a] bir ign with elter oe ae Greantzalions, se ‘ote for oF against any measures affec the interest of either, direct 4 iudire "ee or indirectly, or to use any personal or official influence in their favor; I desire, however, to the circumstances through which, probab to be associated with this or: nara e ganizad ve years fo, recess, I was sonversing on Mr. Ames in regard to the Pacific Railroad, in favor of the building of which I had previously made HUNDREDS OF PUBLIC ADDREKSES: in the course of this conversation he asked me if I would not like to purchase some stock in the Credit Mo- bilier; up to that time I knew nothing of its capital or Profits, and I inquirea of him as to its object: value of its stock: ag near as I cin recall this conve! tion, after the lapse of so many years, | was intormed by him that it was a a incorporated company, com: posed of the principal stockholders of the Union Pacific ‘ilroad, who were themselves building the road, instead of letting it out to contractors, who always expected large profits for their risk their advances of money for supplies; I told him after his explanation that it Jooke ke (00D AND SAFE INVESTNENT about the time of the holida: the floor of the House will P i could not pay for tl or three months afterwards, as my housekeeping ex: nges in the opening months of the nh larger than the average; he replicd that he would con- res at par if I would in addi- ts; I inquired there had furth been large dividends, bat the Ogee the pronts stan not be. yory. aurely” remuneratiy Paci. Raniroad Tad no don had nending ‘Congress nor did I suppose there could any in 1 future, as the last amendment to the charter authorizing the ise of first mortgage bonds. which should have pet ority of the government lien, had been enacted in over three years before this, conversation Fring that Any questions arising under thelr chai Nau judicially settled; supposing at any rate that T Had thé game right to purchase nis goes. is to buy stock in a national bank, chartered by Congress, or ina manuta tory, I told him I would agree to purchase twenty shar at par, and interest to be paid as soon as 1 had the money; some weeks or months afterward, at the samo session, I paid Mr. Ames about five hundred dollars in On nee contract of purchase, being all the money I ry 5 RECRIVED NO DIVIDEND nor certificate of stock in whole or 1m sion is that he told me that one or twodivitends had been earned, but that they were not in cash and were as vet unadjusted ; certainly I did not receive any, and was not offered any incash, or bonds, or stock, then or since ; a few weeks, or months, after this T heard a rumor that unpleasant controversies existed among the largest stockholders, which were certain to involve the organization in prolonged litigation; the very day L heard this rumor I told Mr. Ames that no progts, present or prospective,could induce me to buy Into a lawsuit; that I had nevér been, during all my life, @ plaintift or defendant in a court of justice; that I must, therefore, recede entirely from the transuction between us: 1 didnot want stock of any kind, on any terms that would make me a party to litigation; he assented to this, and nothing was said as fo the money paid, my anxiety Being not to get into a lawsuit; all these things occurred at the same session of. Congress five years ago, which closed in the Summer of 188; the next year, or the year after, Mr. Ames suspended payment ‘in consequence, as was said, of financial involvements connceted with the Paciile Railroad, and his creditors gave him an extension on his liabilities; but regretting | his failure and its cause I told him to dismiss from his mind the small amount of money between us; T suppose but for this he would have repaid the money I had paid him; I may repeat, theretore, that neither stock nor bonds were given to ine nor offered to be given to me; that I never received a'dollar in bonds, stock or money as dividends; that I did contract to pur- chase twenty shares of stock in the company al par and interest, but that after a partial payment 1 withdrow entirely from what I regarded as AN INCOMPLETK CONTRACT, from repugnance to being Involved in litigation: and that, instead of being enriched by it one thousan or Depts thousand dollars, as bas been clrarged, I am yoluniarily out of pocket five hundred dollars, and have been for nearly five years. Mr. he might add one handred tnore; Mr. Am the value of a dollar on any account wh The Chairman asked whether the wit edge of ownership of stock by any member Congress; to which he replied he had no such personal knowledge; witness had for years been regarded as in favor of build: allroad; he had made ches and rit, and thought the government ought talista could not be interested for that art; my tmpres- Mg olfax remarked poorer paid him ing the Pacific written In fa to butid it if ¢ purpose, , «: $oo4s ®. ALLEY JOHN Hon. Jonn B, Alley said, before resuming his testimony, he should like to make a fow observations. He hoped the committee would allow the fullest Investigation {nto all matters which would have a tendency to throw light on all questions connected witi the charges before the com- mittee. It seemed hard for men deserving no censure, but pratse, to have their names inscribed on the records of the country charged with acts which, if true, ought to consign them to eternal infamy; but every act and cir- cumstance, in his judgment, established their innocence. The record would show that Ames was honest and that the cry of “Stop thier w ised by the thieves the selves, Mr, Alley then read a long paper giving the bi tory of the bu!lding of the road and ‘THE CONDUCT OF TI COMPANY, saying, from all the facts, Ames should not only be not censured, but should have a monument to commemorate : tatement also re- ‘by him, and vin- in that connec- |ACRIFICING AMES. tion. THE DEVOTED ALLEY AND SELF. During the reading of apart of the paper referring to the charge ofa blackmailing sult by McComb, and that he had robbed the soldiers, &c., a member of the comm! tee raised the question as'to the relevancy of repeating $47,000,000 in order to secure the balding of the road ; not another man could have been found to do the same; his rofits were less than a million of dollars, and’ his other, Oliver Am President of the company, told him (Alley), after 1 was opened, that, owing to Risanter. embarrassments of the company and Its doubt- ful success, he dgive Alley half # million dollars if he would relieve him (Oliver Ames) from all lost ‘Mr. Alley was then cross-examined as to the capital of the railroad company, the value of dividends, &c, M'COMR AND ALLEY AT DAGGERS’ POU Mr. MoComb wished to produce a few facts in reply to the vituperation of Mr. Alley. He said he had been in business twenty years, under five consecutive adminis- trations, and had never had a voucher or a con ended or held up for action. He bad received rom & Boston man, William M. McKinn, brother-in-l of A. H. Rice, formerly a distinguished member of Con- gress from Massachusetts, which he desired to have read, ‘The Chairman informed him he should hereafter have an opportunity. ~ Mr. Alley remarked ¢! he said against McComb was susceptible of the clearest proot. ir. McComb—Will you call for the books of the Crédit Mobilier? They will answer many of the cbarges of the ecpentane vituperator from Massachusetts, Jolin B, ley. Rak THE TRLL-TALE COMING, The Chairman said he had sent a subpoena to the recre- tary of the company to bring the books showing the hiuld- ers of stock or who have received dividends. ADJOURNMENT. The committee then adjourned, Mr. Alley’s eross- examination will be resumed to-morrow. McComb Anxious to “Comb Down” Mr. Alley. WASHINGTON, Jan. 7, 1873. ‘The following appears in the Evening Star;— After the adjournment of the ¢6mmittee, Mr. McComb, standing on one side of the table directly opposite to Mr, Alley, requested Mr. Smith, the omicial reporter, to take the written statement of Mr. Alley and make it a part of the record. Mr. ALLEY to Mr. Smith—No; I want this paper. You cannot have it yet. Mr. McComn—Well, you must have it, Mr. Smith. I want to hold the dirty scoundrel! to his word. No reply from Mr. Alley. Mr. McComp—Oh! I wish you were about twenty- five years younger, Mr. Alley. I would comb you dows in more ways than one. Mr: Alley still made no reply, but took possession of the papers, Mr. Smith remarking (nat it was a matter to be settled by the committee, THE UNITED NATIONALITIES, Organization— The Central Organization of the United National- ities held their regular meeting last night in Ittner’s Hotel, Grand and Mercer streets, All the nations were represented—the French, Italians, Germans, Poles, Hungarians, &c, General Franz Sigel presided. A number of new members, mostly Hungarians and itallans, were introduced. Gen- eral Sigel said that the voice of the organization ought to be heard, now that the new oMleers of the national, State and municipal gevernments were being installed, He thought that this organiza tion, although it would not assume to dictate any policy to the nation or to the State, had still a right to define what it considered good policy in the affairs of the State or nation. Colonel TINELLI, aM Italian, who ts Vice President of the association, said he concurred in the views of General Sigel, and remarked also that it would be good to imvite the Cubans of this city to join the association. ile was earnestly im favor of the independence of Cuba, and he thoaght that most of the members of the organization sympathized with the heroic Genene who were se gallantly fighting for their freedom. General $1681, seconded the motion. Me was in favor of the independence of Cubs, The condition | of affairs on the island was truly lamentable, The great American Republic could not very well in- terfere in the affairs of Cabe or but it was true, nevertheless, that a repu' ‘as bound to help all Its struggling associates and all countries strugglin, m. Alu the islands of the West I looked at the United States as the re helping po er, as the great lever of freedom and equality. The motion was referred to the Executive Com- Mittee, with power to act. General Joserf C. Jackson said the characteris. | tics of the present age uperfctaity and cor. ruption, and such organizations as this were necessary to call the attention of the to the fee this Credit Moblier investigation, do you hot ol iv" m™ think that @ great deal of needed in the reing is halls of Congress? fie hoped United National for the cause of ties would work hand in hand Jreedom and law and principle, The meeting then red. BLUE-BLOODED TENISON AT LIBERTY, Pouce rersi®, Jan. 7, 1872. Henry Porter Tenison was reiessed to-day on ball ig the eum of $1,000, r ATTEMPT AT ARSON. Arrest of the Supposed Incendiary. TRAINS LAID A Valuable Block of Business Buildings in Danger. W. H. Kidd, a liquor dealer, of 88 Murray street, was arrested yesterday afternoon by Office McDonnell, of the Third precinct, charged by Commissioner Galway with attempting to set frej to his premises and those adjoining. The arrange ments Mr. Kidd is supposed to have made we! discovered by one of the men employed by Platt Boyd, 79 and 81 Murray street. This man was le: to go on the roof of the butiding occupied by the firm through @ leakage in the ecuttle. Upon ex+ amining the scuttle a number of HOLES WERE DISCOVERED. Thinking this strange, the porter followed tl line of the scuttle across to the next house, an found that in the same condition. Supposing tl suspicious circumstances were due to burgh the man informed the members of the firm. The; sent him to consult with Mr. Kidd. and both then returned to the roof, One of the clerks at tached to the glassware house went with Mr. Kidd and the porter to the roof, au all threes examined the scutties and th roofs, The holes they saw were not onlyin the scuttles, but underneath, in the roof of Mr. Kidd's house. Immediately under these holes was a larga board, into which candles were stuck. Along tha floors of No. 83 and through the holes and over thd roof was @ quantity of saltpetred paper and fuse,’ with trains of powder attached, all ready to lights The combustibles laid across the roofs of the twa. buildings were protected from rain and snow by A LARGE OIL PAINTING, laid over them. Mr. Kidd occupied the secon? floor of No, 83 Murray street, and a door leading from the foot of the staira on that story to the of the house was locked. Mr. Kidd told the other men when they asked to go through that door th: the key was in Brooklyn. Not being able to get through that way, the men were obliged to ente by the roof from Platt & Boyd's, and in goin through on the fourth floor the clerk, stoopin; down to pfck up a pen that dropped from his ear; discovered a large ball of prepared fuse, Thia cons firmed the first suspicion, and the men went back to Inform the firm of THE DANGER THEY MAD ESCAPED. While the matter was under consideration Come missioner Galway entered the store. He was made acquatnted with the facts in the case, and he imme< ca al sent forKiad. After asking him some ques~ tions the Commissioner arrived at the conclusion that Kidd knew something about the attempt a& arson, and, sending for a policeman, caused hia est. Kidd was then sent up to the Fire Mar. al, at Police Headquarters, where the following testimony was taken in the case :— 4 Commissioner Galway said :—I found two holes bored through the scuttle of Mr. Boyd's building; they ap. eared to have been made with an auger; T went over ine Foof to the scuttle of the adjoining building, houre 83 there were two holes in that scuttle; I went down thi Jade A Ba ae ee cet gard I found three tin candies nd; on the face of the board I for ree tin candles gk) gach With Gindiete it partially burned; there, Mate ties oes ye ctewe 4 LARGE RALL robably three or or ruse four hundred feet; then another of fuse starting from the foot of the ladder rupning on top floor to the front of the building down the for two stories to the trird running bi the third floor to the stairway whi e up in the reag own the stairs to a door leadin; second floor; on the second an Inid on brown fuse-paper havin n this brown paper right unde n the top floor I found a piece of board about by three in wi d thickness and about ‘on the face o' piece of oil cane third floors this {tse wi a Sala of gunpowder ol board was on ‘on the floor, near tha der; Lthen sent the to Chambers street police station tor in detective: in the meantime Tdiveo re a closet on the third floor some tools, consisting of Il screws Griver and an instrument used for inarking barrels and & + on piece of iron about eighteen inches in length THK PREMISES OF MK. KIDD col spond precisely with the of both buildings found an ai 4; these holes wera we gue holes in the scuttles bored trom the inside and some enly, part of way through; the hole in the scuttle of No. $1 was bored froin the inside and the tin tore off so that the wood could be ot out; the holes were freshly bored and the dust was what had been said by othe: ing around; the scuttles of these buildings arg He en tee ea avked se'Let Mr. Alley spread all the | cunt “twenty-fve feet’ apart, and. the. board dirt he can.” having upon it the fuse ‘covered with oil Mr. Alley resumed, saying that Ames had peritied hig | canvas would reach | from one | scuttle | to the fortune and took upoa himself the responsibility of ‘while we were in the building Mr. Kidd came up nd we questioned him in relation to the matter; ¢ stated that the augur looked like one that belot.ged to him, and that the nuent for marking barrels which we found in the closet looked like one also belonging to him; he denied any kuowledge of the arrangement of these fuses or the augur holes; he said he MAD NEVER AEN THE FUSK BEFORE: the third, fourth aud fifth floors of the building of 8% Mury ray street were unoccupied, aimong? there was some turniture on the third floor, which Kidd strted belonged tohim, and he had placed it up there tersporarily; tho becund oor ix occupied by Kidd asa waclesale Tiquoe store; the stairs leading to the third floo” were enclosed by. a.door, to which Kidd had the key ; wl.en I was tracing he fire {found that it reached down e:airs ty this door, fad the door was looked; Kidd told me ne tad the Key, ut hag left it over in Brooklyn at his residence ; when Was informed. by Mr. Hoyd's clerk, cf the attempt to fet fire to their building, went arot.nd into the liquor store of Mr. Kidd; J told him I waned to go up stairs to examine the building; he sald that the door was locked and he had left the key in Brookiyn;he MADE NO RFFORT 10 OPEN THE DOOR; Mr. Boyd's clerk was with me; Midd said that we would have to go into the building uex! door to yet through the souttie; he did not go with us; we were nearly two hou in making the examination of tre buildings; ft was abo an heur and a half after this waen Kidd came up stal I don’t know whether he had foot of the stairs or not; 1 don’t a Oo wt! OF HOt; 48 Mrrag‘ateee SEE FA ths throu and into Mr. Boyd's buildin 7. TESTIMONY OF ISAAC SHEPHARD, Teaac Shephard stated —: work for Mr. Kidd in the abe sence of my father; he keeps the key of the door at the foot of the stairs leading to the top floors; I saw him go np through the stairs last Satarday afternoon re. never saw any one take the auger I gave turday and malned there about ten minutes; else but Mr. Kidd; Isaw Mr. Kidd tothe policeman but of the’ drawer last putit dn the safe; no hand’e was on it the: ment shown me is used for marking bari in the. store last Friday on the sheif; fen Mr. Kidd we ft for, marking bairels, not lately, however; but befcre when I went to the office with my father 'saw him mark barrels with it-several times; the chisels shown tne I saw last Frida; shelf, with thé instrument tor marking barrels; 1 recollect of ever having seen the screwdriver shown me, but Thave seen one a little larger and having @ dark handle; Igaw the one with the dark h: e storey on a barrel, some time ago; I have seen the shown me’ before; one day since New Y: told me to go to some grocery store and get "A QUIRK OF COMMON BROWN PAPER} ' he gave me twenty-five cents and told me to get come mon brown wrapping paper: I asked hin where to go, aud he said any grocery store; I got it at W. R. Mitchell's Wholesale yrocery store, corner of Park piace and Green. Wich atreet; 1 got tis ‘paper for Mr. Kidd; he cutit im strips; next morning after that he put the sirips of papen, on tin measure; he poured something dark into this measure at the’ back of the store; he then ut the measure on the stone and let it remain there tw jours or more; the liquid an looked {n the measure while it was on. the stove; he to the paper out and hung it on the balusters alongside o we and let itdry; it became so hard that { cout hardly tear it; I tried to tear a piece of It, and succeed after & little while; the next morning when I opened the, more ALL THESE TAPERS WERE GONE, did not see them again until were shown me at the ire Marshal's office to-day ; the fuse shown me I first saw on the shelf in our store; It 1s candle wick, and was then in balla; Mr. Kidd also poured something over that and bolled it in the same tin measure; he w: this wick and paver all the week; frst he would bo! the wick he ape. then som Wha tad troy BEE woun round i Saw THe Wick 'D ob Saturday evening; It Was then lying ters je stove ; the fuse shown we isthe sano stuf Tsaw iad boll. A RES. of other testimony was taken before the Fire Marshal, but this is the most important. The discovery of the train was a most fortunate one, 1 f these two houses took fire nothing could save the block. The investigation will bo continued to-day. AT THE TOMBS POLICE COURT. The prisoner was taken before ae at the Tombs, yesterday afternoon, but manded till this morning. THE COMMITTEE OF SEVENTY. The annual meeting Of the Committee of Seventy was held last evening in their rooms, Broadway, 4 Twenty-second street, when the following om. cers were upanimously chosem for the ensuing year:— Chairman—James M. Brown, Vice Chairman—Wenjamin B, Sherman. Secretary—Simon Sterne, Treasurer-—Emil Sauer, The Chairman juently appointed the fot- jowing Committee on Legisiation :—Professor Theo- dore W. Lai and Messrs. Geo Ww, Lan James wg Yd D, Willis James, Ji M. Halsted, Pierrepont, Henry Nicoll, D, Vermilye and Uoward Potter. The newily-elected Chairman (Messrs. James M. Urown and Benjamin Wan) are Members ez Oficio of all committees, DEATH FROM ALLEGED MALPRACTIOB, Coroner Keenan was yesterday called upen to Deid an inquest into the cause of the death of Mrag Elizabeth Taylor Church, widow of Dr. & a chi who died on Sanday last from abscess of the righ jung consed, as it would appear. 7S pow ak sa abortion aia gave a permit for burial pra he pi Se Dy old 82 IM VesUIZ@LUOM, Dowling,’ was re-