The New York Herald Newspaper, September 23, 1872, Page 3

SMAIL PACHA. nterview of a Herald Correspondent with the Sovereign of Egypt. EN PICTURE OF THE VICEROY. Policy of a Wise Ruler and a Royal Merchant. BAMUEL BAKER'S COURSE CRITICISED, Railroad to the Soudan : To Be Built. THE CATARACTS OF THE NILE. : is Why They Will Not Be Interfered With. OTTON, COTTON, COTTON. eneral Stone and Consul General Butler. USTIOE AND EXTERRITORIALITY. he Khedive’s Opinion of the Herald and Its World-Wide Influence. Caro, Egypt, August 18, 1872, Fifteen minutes ago I came out froma lengthy nterview with His Highness the Viceroy of Egypt. hough a8 HERALD correspondent I have con- ersed with many ministers and princes, I have hever met aman in all things so noteworthy as he. Heis pre-eminent as an expertand ready alker, setting forth with freedom, ease and skill onderfu) plans for consolidating and unifying his Empire, Coming recently from the White Nile, just upon the heels of Stanley’s brilliant success in Central ca, 1 was made at Suez the recipiem of din- hers, punches, “‘pegs” and all the festivities be- onging to this generous population of the East, nd the Nsw York HERALD was proclaimed by pvery mouth and drank in numberless “rounds.” Visiting Alexandria, I paid a visit to the Prime linister, Sherif Pacha, who had kindly furnished ne with a firman at the beginning of my voyage. He asked me of the country through which I had pravelied, and discussed at large the wealth and ubstance of the Soudan. Mr. Comonos, Acting Consul General of the United States, who was with pe, sald:— “Your Excellency, this gentleman, in his quality & correspondent of the HERALD, would like to have an interview with His Highness.” Sherif Pacha was amazed, “What! to print the conversation?” Iemiled and said, ‘In our country our statesmen ik freely about public matters and face the people n the hard visage of type. NowIdo not make a personal application to see His Highness’"—— SHERIF (interrupting)—Oh, that would be ex- tended with pleasure; but the other—nous ver- ‘This cautions and gifted statesman, who is at pce hanasome in person and cordial in manners, pould hardly understand our Western habit of in- erviewing. I took pains to explain to him that he American people admired bold expressions of lews, and that there was a chronic hunger in the ind to learn of such men as Ismail Pacha, Vice roy pf Egypt. The idea pleased His Excellency, and at ngth he promised to write a letter to Barrot Bey, he private secretary of the Viceroy. Mr. Comonos eceived the letter of Sherif Pacha, and day before esterday we waded through the dense crowds thered at the Tanta Fair (the greatest sete of Egypt, at which 200,000 people are gathered), on board of an accommodation train. Arrived here, ir. Comonos presented the letter, and in one hour the following response was returned :— Maison pu Kreprve, SERVICE DU MAITRE DE CEREMONIES, ABDIN, 17 Aont, 1872. MONSIEUR—J'ai ’"honneur de vous faire savoir que B. A. le Khédive sera charmé de vous recevoir de- main matin, de neuf A dix heures, au palais d’Ab- Hin, en compegnle de Monsieur (name of the corre- pondent of the HERALD). Agréez, monsieur, l’assurance de ma parfaite ponsid¢ration, COMING, M. Comonos, Vice Consul et Gérant, Agence et Consulat Général des Etats Unis d’Amérique, Caire. Prompt to the hour, I found myself arrayed in a ‘claw-hammer” at nine o’clock this morning, sit- ng in my room, wondering by what piece of in- enuity I could get the Viceroy to talk tome upon ubjects of some concern to him and of importance o the world. While I was yet decp in this in- eresting meditation there was A KNOCK AT THE DOOR. ‘Mr. Comonos had arrived. In ten minutes we are ying over the broad avenue leading to Abdin Pal- e. This favorite residence of the Viceroy isin the heart of Cairo, and, while being a plain struc- jure without, it is superbly furnished within. It is but one in twenty-five, and these gorgeous retreats fare maintained at an expense which no European iPower could or would stand, The Viceroy is re- iported to be THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD. He is undoubtedly. Egypt is his capital. Itis just he same as if Egypt were deposited in the Bank of England and the Viceroy should draw checks inst its market value. He has his personal ealth im the country also, and long before he game to the throne was the wealthiest power in ithe land, While Said Pacha was overwhelming the country with ruinous debts; while he was under- ‘taking enterprises he did not have energy or re- sources to carry through, Ismail Pacha, his succes- por, Was accumulating an immense fortune, which was his best claim to rule Egypt. He began his government saddied with debts, and yet during the last ten years, while many have been predicting ® financial crisis, the Khedive has every year started fresh reforms, began new undertakings ‘end accomplishea wonderful results, I am not one ‘of those that belleve that Christmas Day will bring to him a whole Continent, or that in the Fast you can readily cultivate the intogrity of the West. It ‘will be years yet before His Highness can fuse all the incongruous provinces into a geographical em- pire, or obtain from their assimulation that unity and prosperity he so much desires, ABDIN PALACE, At ten minutes past nine our carriage halted before the door of Abdin Palace. A squad of Egyptian soldiers dressed in white were “at rest’? gs we passed in, with our black dress suits strangely ont of season and our faces streaming with perspiration, “Going to see Effendina” was the remark that greeted our stiff ‘“Sunday-go-to- /Meetin’” attire, 1 tried to look as if 1 owned half the Orient and was just about to see His Highness to make a bargain for Egypt. Mr. Stanley was mght when he dramatized his meeting with Dr. Livingstone so effectively and when he put him- self in an attitude of dignity, Nothing awes 80 much in the East as the mysteriously silent. We passed through several small inner courts and at last seated ourselves in one of the extremely outer ante-rooms of His Highness, It was @ small apart- ment, not half as large asthe Herawp’s counting room, with a crimson satin divan, a carpet in large figured medaliions, hangings and hangers on and some that ought to be hanged Mr. Comonos showed me to a seat, and had hardly d himself upon the djyan when ap assistant NEW YORK HERALD, MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 1872.—TRIPLE SHEET. to Barrot Bey (eon of Odillon Barrot) entered, and we engaged in a friendly conversation. “Long voyage you have had, Monsieur ?”” “Yes, long enough,” I replied. “It has not been very agreeable 1”? “On the contrary it has been the happiest of my life.” We stayed in the ante-room & quarter of an hour perhaps. Men were smoking, chatting, perhaps lobbying, and it reminded me very much of the lobbies of the House of Representatives, though this little room at Abdin was much quieter and homelier. It told me the story of Egypt as I waited and thought. Some may have had claims. They may have been intriguants; they may have been spies, Few see the Viceroy. Aman with an in- come of $50,000,000 a year, a family numbe! 12,000,000 known, and a responsibility to Constan- tinople, cannot see everybody. In other letters I have compared the roy to Napoleon III. He makes some of the mistakes, perhaps, of that fallen despot; but he does not confide in men who deceive him, The Viceroy knows every transaction of inconsiderable importance which transpires in his dominions, He is consummate in his man- agement of police, and lavish in his scattering of money, and both go together. I knew, then, long before I met His Highness thatI was to meet @ man of no mean conversational skill, and of no petty acquirementsin the art of government. “Monsteur sti vous plait /” and I passed that way, preceded by Mr. Comonos, THE VICEROY WAS READY TO RECEIVE US. ‘We then entered the body of the’ palace. The route to the Viceroy was now open. Our con- ductor, who was @ pleasant gentleman, of the Italian nationality I should judge, invited us to repose ourselves in an ante-room of the Viceroy, immediately below His Highness’ reception room. We remained there, perhaps, five minutes, and had a very pleasant chat, all about Egypt, Ameri- can travellers and the coming season. Presently an usher comes in and announces that the moment has come. We follow our affable conductor. In the nave of the staircase we pass a tropical land- scape, wrought in artificial flowers and this re- minds me that after all the principal topic of my interview will be agriculture, a subject so agree- able to Mr. Greeley—up a semi-circular staircase, flanked, surrounded, in fine shut in, by mirrors, and I stand again in a lofty vestibule leading to the Viceroy’s presence. THE VICEROY. We move forward quickly and perceive, in & small room, furnished in what our New York peo- ple would understand as a genteel manner, and thrice the size of @ small Fifth avenue reception Toom, A LITTLE, SHORT, PLEASANT-LOOKING GENTLEMAN, larger but not taller than General Grant, with mown whiskers, like scythed hay; a benevolent man, I am sure; a gentleman certainly. He ad- vances to meet Mr, Comonos and myself, Mr. Com- onos says:— “Mr, » correspondent of the New YORE HERALD, coming from the Soudan!’ “I am very pleased to see you.’’ chanté de vous votr), We moved towards the divan. The apartment ‘was partially obscured and nearly all the sbutters were closed, Mr. Comonos seated himself next to the Viceroy, and your correspondent next to him and within ten feet of the Khedive, His Highness was plainly dressed in grey pantaloons, dark walk- ing coat and black tie—all without ostentation of any kind, (Je suis en- INTERVIEW. CoRRESPONDENT—Your Highness, after having travelled nearly five thousand miles in your do- minions by river, desert and sea, I could not quit Egypt without paying to the man who has labored so nobly for her progperity and grandeur the re- spect which journalism owes to grand enter. prizes.” The Viceroy smiled and inclined. His HicHNess—I am pleased that you have not left Egypt without coming to see me. Youseem to be in good health, Monsieur, You have not suf- fered from travelling im these warm climes, where you must have been ill at ease. CORRESPONDENT—Well, I perceive by the tele- grams that there were fifty sunstrokes. day in New York, and I escaped a coup de soleti in Africa; 80 1 do not complain much about the climate, ABOUT SIR SAMUEL BAKER, His Hignngss (abruptly)—What is the last news about Baker ? CORRESPONDENT—When I left the White Nile I heard that Sir Samuel had reached the Lake Albert Nyanza, witha small force. The intelligence is not certain, It was passed down the White Nile through all the tribes that the White Pacha (Baker) had left Gondokoro, and had reached the junction with the Lake Albert Nyanza, His Higungss—I do not credit the news. It seems to me impossible. CORRESPONDENT—Perhaps you are right. I be- leve, however, that Baker has reached the lake. He had trouble about getting porters, made war and unwittingly planted his own pathway with ob- stacles, Still he 1s @ man of ready resource and quick intelligence, and will, I believe, surprise Your Highness in the end. His Higuness—Samuel Baker went to the White Nile to create, not to destroy commerce. Instead of increasing our trade there he has nearly de- stroyed it. Travelling is not safe along the line of the river; the tribes are in hostility to the govern- ment, and we find our dominion under his war of conquest unsafer, unsounder, than if he had not gone there at all, Formerly our empire extendea to Gondokoro and beyond; now it is not increased by any annexation by Samuel Baker. You ob- served, perhaps, that the commerce was dead there? CornREsronpENT—Yes, Your Highness; the mer- chants complain, and there isscarcely any trade at all. His Hianxgss—When Samuel Baker went there with this large expedition he found the slave trade nearly dead. The suppression of that trafic injured our interests very much, yet we hoped to save a remnant of the commerce with the natives. Now all is dead. Peace instead of war, cultivation in- stead of conquest, amity instead of violence must be my policy toward the peoples of Central Africa, Iwish to civilize and develop those lands, but I cannot do it if the blacks are aroused to a bitter op- position. The nature of a negro is simple enough; but leave him alone. I regret what Sir Samuel Baker has done because it implants in their rude, untaught minds that Egypt is their enemy, Baker's position is doubtless critical. CoRRESPONDENT—Yes, when I left Khartoum, two months ago, the boats sent to his succor had returned, with great mortality, and without being able to penetrate the obstructions in the Nile. They were freighted with corn (duran) and supplies for the men, but could not proceed beyond the Sobat River, near the Bahr el Gazal. I was stay- ing at Khartoum myself preparing an expedition for the New YorK HERALD to go through this “gudd” and join Sir Samuel Baker; but as it now appears the movement would have been a failure, Sir Samuel's position is very delicate. He is cut off from supplies, and a great natural power long in process of formation has grown up in his rear, His Higuness—That is true. His position is dangerous, Whatcanhe do? There is nothing to eat there; the men are dying of hunger and fever. C'est malhereux, ga? CORRESPONDENT—But there are plenty of beeves, Your Highness, His Hicuvess—Yes; ant, mon Dieu! what, would you believe that men can live upon such a preca- rious substance? There he is, with 1,200 or 1,500 men, situated as you describe. They must have breda; they must eat and be sheltered, No; I repeat to you, Monsieur, that the expedition 1s a mistake. Believing that His Highness expressed views in the main correct and just, your correspondent, however, does not and cannot concur with him in that this enterprise of Sir Samuel Baker is nota salutary undertaking. It moves in the face of the most extraordinary difficulties, through war- like peoples, penetrating a dense swamp breeding malaria and death—all to acquire territory, sup- prése the slave trade and make & harvest of races that can be trained to agricultural industry, His Highnees proceoded—Yes; travel is unsafe there. You eannot move up the White Nile with- out @ heavily-armed escort. Scientific exploration is finished for the time, What about the sources of the Nile? THE SOURCES OF THE NILE. CORRESPONDENT—Livingstong and Stanley have opened the whole question again, Your Highness has read? His Hicuwsss—Yes, Monsieur; Mr. Stanley did Robly there; yet I do not exactly understand where the sources of the Nile are. It seems they are not in elther of the great lakes, the Nyanzas, CORRESPONDENT—Livingstone goes nearly eight hundred miles farther south, in latitude, and seems to have struck the reservoir from which many river systems proceed, including Your High- ness’ Nile (for His Highness owns the Nile.) It will take years to settle the question. His Hiauness—Nearly every African traveller (laughing) has his own private source of the Nile. CORRESPONDENT—I Own no such property. The Viceroy langhed, and observed that your cor- respondent was rational and modest, His Hicnness—How far did you proceed, Mon- sieur? CORRESPONDENT—To the twelfth degree of north latitude, near where is found this great barricade of herbage, vegetation and tropical seeds which may become the ruin of the Soudan. His Hienness—Yes; Sir Samuel Baker wrote me about these obstructions and told me that I should remove them, I have sent four or five engineers— I forget the number—to survey and report upon them. I do not know if it will be wise to de- stroy them. Qué sait. Suppose these 300 miles of vegetation are suddenly removed from the Nile? on Dieu! we may be inundated here. It must be With great caution that I undertake to alter the flow of the Nile. Itis the blood of Egypt, and to trifle with the coursing of its waters is to expert- ment upon the life of my conntry. You know how the world has been crying out “QUT THE CATARACTS.” Yet the engineers who have surveyed them and Teported upon them say that the cataracts are necessary to Egypt; that if they were notin the river all the waters wouid rush down to the Med- iterranean during the Summer time, or High Nile, and leave the bed of the stream dry more than half the year. These cataracts, then, economize the water's distribution; they are valves, and check its flow, and are a part of the marvellous machinery of this mighty river. { have great reluctance to in- terfere with the operations of nature. (The Vice roy has the reputation of being a little super- stitious.) Somehow I consider it a dangerous busi- ness, and that is why I have sent engineers to survey this tropical vegetation in the Nile. Should it be razeed at once the whole of Egypt might be overfiown, [Nore.—The reader's attention is invited to the singular caution and worthy discretion contained in this last observation, I have seen all the prin- cipal cataracts of the Nile, and there can be no doubt that His Highness is perfectly right.) THE SOUDAN, CorRESPONDENT—Then Your Highness will seek communication with the Soudan by rail and not by water ? His Higuness—That is it exactly. Ishall build the road between Wady Halfa and Shendy running along the Nile to Dongola, and thence crossing the desert to Shendy, You have seen the Soudan and know its wealtn and resources. It 1s separated from us. The question is how we can best develop it. Manifestly itis to unite the two countries by the rail. Now the Soudan is off yonder in the tar distance, The governors and under governors are beyond scrutiny, They do as they please and are more absolute than the Prince here in lower Egypt. Thatisone of the faults which a railroad alone can correct. ConRESsPONDENT—But it will cost much money, His HigHNngss—No ; £4,000,000 or £5,000,000, What is that? What are six, eight or ten millions if you obtain results? I know very well that it is a fool- ish thing to spend a million on nothing, but remem- ber that there is something in the Soudan. I shall build the road codte qut coate, Do you not betleve that the Soudan is worth more than £10,000,000 ? CoRRESPONDENT—Certainly no one more than I appreciates the grand future which must come to that country. His HicuNess—Voyons/ What is there in the coun- try to justify this six hundred and seventy-five English miles of railway that I intend to build? All the products of India can be grown there and worked there. The cultivable land is millions upon millions of acres; the soil is virgin, and once a railroad passes through it interior commerce must spring up; peoples now remote and unfriendly to each other will be bound in amity and mutual interest by the rail; a general contact and dispersion will ensue; money and material prosperity will arrive, and then (said His Highness, with a glow of pleas- ure and a burst of eloquence}—then behold my corner of Africa! A railway will connect the Nile with the Red Sea. The same influences which have brought prosperity to the doors of the humblest fellah in Lower Egypt to-day will invade the Sou- dan with the locomotive, and the races you have seen in savagery and poverty will, I trust, in ten years become a thrifty, united community. CORRESPONDENT—I find the views of Your High- ness singularly splendid. When shall this work begin? His Hianness—Monsleur, instantly if I had the reports ofthe engineers. I only await the surveys, and then the operations shall commence. CORRESPONDENT—But what culture must prevail in the Soudan !—cotton, sugar —— His Hicnngss—It must be a cotton and sugar country entirely, and cotton sooner than sugar, and the cultivation, as you know, has already be- gun with surprising abundance. My JUDICIAL REFORM, till,’ said His Highness , with a mixture of sad- ness and indignation, “my government is embar- rassed by the treaty relations with the Western Powers which have kept Egypt back for forty or fifty years, You know what these are. I hope the restrictions will be removed, It is my profound conviction that the day has gone by when they should longer be applied to Egypt. Egypt ts not what she was @ half a century ago. What I de- mand is that the Powers should constitute an in- ternational tribunal ; that they should send judicial officers here. Why do.they object, ‘Est-ce qu'tuya quelque chose dans le ciel de Ugypte, qui change la nature dun homme ?? Must a man become bad be- cause he comes here! I do not believe so, if he be goodat home, Look at my government, We have sixteen governments, which are all administered after the laws of their own countries. Each Con- sul General is a prince. We have to work against these potentates, and in our relations with the subjects we are obliged to keep fifty or sixty lawyers running over Europe guarding our interests, You have no idea how power and authority are dispensed and exer- cised in my dominions, What is the first condition of civilization '—justioe, isit not so? What is the first puissance of a State ’—security, is it not? Well, security prevails here, but I have not yet ob- tained justice from the Powers. If you would elevate society, if you would advance a people, you must first give them a form of government under which justice can be obtained. lhope that the re- form is about accomplished.” LAND AND PRODUCE, CoRRESPONDENT—And once accomplisned, your Highness believes Egypt will receive @ sudden itm- pulse ? His Hicuness—That 18 positive. We have in Lower Egypt 5,000,000 feddans (acres) of cultivable land; over 2,000,000 are now producing. Two-thirds of the remainder are susceptible of easy cultivation by our Egyptian irrigation, and while the other million feddans could be made to produce, its cul- ture would be more difficult and not easily assured, Suppose the reform takes place, and we are a unit in justice and government here. Then Europeans would pour in; the value of land would augment; the wave of civilization would flow southward; the shores of the Nile would become populated with an industrious community, The railroad finished to the Soudan, the flood of emigration would invade the Soudan; a European in contact with a native would raise the native; his own necessities and competition would make him an agricultural toler, Our rapid progress would begin then. The rail to Berber will be finished and the shores of the Red Sea will be lined with ports, outlets from the close interior. : CORRESPONDENT—Let us hope you will be inde, pendent then, His Hiauness (very much pleased and smiling) — No! no! as we are now we will rest. It is better 80, We are not politicians here; we do not care for complications of that nature. We are simply Plain cultivators. The Egyptian asks only to pro- duce upon his soil, to live quietly and peaceably after his own mode of life. He has his ground, his house, his family; guarantee them to him and you have done all for his material happiness. CORRESPONDENT—There is much difference be- tween the Egyptian population and the Soudan people ? His Hiauness—Yes; there are in the Soudan two Taces, the blacks and the negroes (les noirs et les négres), The blacks are men of Arab blood—blood native to the soll also for many ages, These men Toust ultimately rule there. The negroes must be- come a race of cultivators, Thatis all they are fit for, because they as men are inferior to this black race (of Arab extraction), at least such is the opin- ion of scientific men. The negroes have developed no positive character tnere, but I hope that eventu- ally they will become very good farmers, POPULATION OF THE SOUDAN. CoORRESPONDENT—What is the population of that country lying in and tosouthward of the Soudan? People there claim there are 30,000,000 of blacks up the White Nile and laterally in the interior. His HignNess—Professor Schweinfurth made & report tome, saying that he belleved there were but 7,000,000, The question is an open one. (Norez.—There must be some great error about this statement; for can the world believe that the slave trade, drawing nearly twenty-five thousand head alone from the White Nile annually, could have flourished upon a population of less than half of seven millions? From my own observation I had much rather believe there are 80,000,000 of the ne- groes between Khartoum and the Equator than the 1,000,000 of Professor Schweinfurth, This is a question of vital importance, because the ter- ritory needs laborers—an industrial population.) His HiaHNrss—You know I have changed the Governor up there, and the government is very crude, Allthe Egyptians have a prejudice against the Soudam They imagine that I send them there to get rid of their presence here. Our officers are fond of the eapital; it is becoming gay and attract- ive. A railway will dispel these illusions, and, once completed, the world may be sure that I will de- velop the Soudan. There was a pause in the conversation. The Viceroy ha spoken with great force, often with eloquence, ‘his eyes glistening with pride when he referred to'the works he yet hoped to accomplish for Egypt. Presently he resumed, on a different key. BUTLER AND STONE AND ALLEN. His Higuness—To speak frankly, we have a very painful affair here. You know Consul General Butler’s career in Egypt. Let me tell you some- thing about its close. I had in my service an American oficer, @ Colonel Allen, He was about to leave Egyypt because of the poor health of his wife. In my service he had been distinguished and faith- ful, and had been recommended te me for decora- tion, I gave the order to transmit to him the mark of my esteem. Colonel Butler sent word to me that if I decorated Colonel Allen he would be- come my personal and political enemy. Not liking scandals, I sent word to Butler to withdraw his message, which he did. Instead of acting in this way as Consul General, he should have thanked me when I decorated an American, Then he threatened General Stone. I caused General Stone to inform the Washington Cabinet immediately of what was taking place, because I knew from expe- rience that Consuls General do not always report the truth to their governments. The result was handsome. Butler was called to account by his government. Enraged he wrote three letters—one to me, one to Nufar Pacha, one to Sherif Pacha— demanding when “General Stone was appointed Minister of Foreign Affairs.” 1 demanded their immediate withdrawal; they were withdrawn. In fact I have been the American Consul here. Finally the affair culminated in the proclamation in which Butler, through his tool, published Stone as a coward, &o, General Stone is not only capable and thorough as the chiefof staff of the Egyptian army, but he is capable to be the chief of staff of any army iu the werld. He is not only agentleman and & learned gentieman and a soldier, but he is an honorable gentleman and an honorable soldier. The Khedive spoke in high terms of General Star- Ting. His Highness had seen our American Minis- ter at Costantinople, and he describea him as a most charming person, charging me to bear His Highness’ compliments to Mr. Boker upon my arri- val at Constantinople, WE MAD TALKED AN HOUR, The Viceroy rose as a signal to terminate the audience. I again thanked him cordially in the name Of the HERALD, as the HERALD had often done before, for the facilities which had been everywhere extended to me in his dominions. “Oh,” said His Highness, ‘that is nothing. When gentlemen come among us to see Our country and institutions, to investigate them in a spirit of fairness, they will always be well received by my government. Above all I wish to maintain friendly relations with the HERALD, & paper whose puissance I well know.” His Highness then said that if I returned to Egypt he should be most happy to see me again, Mr, Comonos—-Oh, yes, your Highness, he will re- turn, because has he not drank of the waters of the Nile ? His Hicayess (langhing)—He will come without doubt, then. ‘There is, as the reader may know, an Arab su- perstition that any foreigner who drinks the water of the Nile must return to Egypt a second time. I could mention many odd confirmations of this idle maxim, As we reached the door we passed the parting compliments, and backed out of His Highness’ presence, and from opposite ends of the exterior room we made low bows; and the last I saw of the Khedive was the reflection of a rapid movement of his feet in the gorgeous mirrors of the staircase, for His Highness sought his private cabinet to work, Seldom, indeed, have I hearda man talk with equal freedom, fuency and earnestness, It has been well said that “the Viceroy upon any throne of Europe would be the greatest monarch of tho age,” and I believe there is no Hohenzollern, Haps- burg or Hanover who has a tithe of his genius. He is great as an administrator. He is a chieftain, That there are many grave errors in his policy I know; but there is no use in looking for spots on the sun. We must judge of Ismail Pacha and his career as @ whole, not magnify his faults or exag- gerate his virtues, Here is one man with the whole East against him, Twelve years ago he turned his face toward THE ORIENT, after an European education, and bade It rise. He told the Moslem world that it was still in the stag- nation of the ages past. Slowly he put the ma- chinery of progress in motion, and toward a great result he has struggied on. Kings have looked on and applauded, The invited world have rushed to Egypt to partake of his hospitality. Princes, min- isters, statesmen and writers have thronged to his Court, Yet the Viceroy isnot spoiled. He still sits in his little cabinet at Abdin Palace and toils and struggles on, He shows intenso labor upon his face, His eyes indicate that he is an owl. Indeed, four hours in twenty-four are all he sleeps, The ratiroads, steamsnip lines, telegraphs, postal ser- vice, private estates (diara), sugar mills, cotton culture, army, Davy and civil service, all centre to his desk. In person he ia @ little, thick-set man, with a large head, full face, pleasant countenance and clear eyes. His face denotes kindness, reflec- tion, caution and firmness, His manners are per- fect, He isa gentleman. He makes and likes to receive compliments, though, from a remark he let drop, he understands all the arts of the fiatterer. ‘What is most remarkable about this great man are his powers of conversation. He is intellectually adroit, His character, considered at length, would involve pages of the Heratp. It ts polygonal. You must look at him as @ merchant, as a prince, as a rich man, as @ statesman, as a cultivator, Next to the Khedive is SHERIF PACHA He, too, is @ component part of Egypt. He has three times been regent in the Viceroy's absence; now has received fresh powers and dignities. In the brief interview I had with him I was much im- pressed, He is one of the few who have not robbed the Khedive and grown rich upon the corruptions of the State. There has been a change in all the Viceroy’s Ministers—those who have plundered him and have confused the different administra- tions, who have mado of their places public scandal, have been put out. Sherif Pacha fe about to re- organize every department under his orders. He ‘will do it well. As your correspondent has been in nearly every province of the Viceroy’s domain he begs to ada A BRIEF COMMENTARY UPON THIS AUDIENCE, The views of His Highness are sound almost to a letter. Regarding Sir Samuel Baker, I believe the Khedive does not properly estimate the thanks which Europe and America tendered to him for that munificent expedition to suppress the slave trade, It has given bim world-wide fame as a benefactor of the human race. Its success 1s his success; its failure his failure. Sir Samuel Baker is now in great danger. Nothing but an expedition nearly a8 formidable as his own can take proper succor to him and his troops. No one knows who has not tried the experiment what it is to move and handle and feed men on the White Nile. I make bold to say, though Sir Samuel Baker has ruined the commerce of the Soudan for the time being, that years hence, when tranquillity shall be restored among the negro tribes, and the cotton empire, rising in its wealth, shall realize the expectations of His Highness, then he, too, will admit that Sir Samuel Baker did beneficent work, The end of the expedition ts, however, near, as I understand that the Viceroy will not renew the contract. Judicial reform is sorely needed for Egypt. At the present moment foreigners do not pay taxes; they are amenable to no municipal law; they com- mit crime, embarrags the government and live upon @ people without repaying that people’s hospitality and support, except in many forms of cruelty and oppression. This must stop. It is gross and wrong. A reconstruction of the treaty relations must take piace. Let the Western Powers act wisely for themselves, but justly toward the pro- gressive Egypt of 1872, All that the Viceroy de- mands is that an international tribunal should de- cide all points of law and cases in dispute, CONCLUSION. All that I can say, in conclusion, is that this ex- traordinary man, who has placed himself so high above the foulness and abominations of the East, seeking to lift whole peoples with him in his eleva- tion, deserves the admiration and sympathy of the world, In him is the vitality of the Orient, If he Must possess some of the shrewdness of Talley- rand, to him also belongs the boldness of Napoleon I. If he has caution, he has courage; if he pro- ceeds slowly, he proceeds surely. To head a move- ment which is more one of the ploughshare than the sword, one of intelligence and thrift, rather than of conquest and ambition, is.the lot of a leader among men. He began this progress years ago, and he is still in command, at ‘the pivot of the world,” and therefore at the point of least political, military and social revolution, Let us hope he may succeed, THE WARD’S ISLAND HORROR. The Case of Samuel Corden—Dr. Eche= verria’s Version of the Affair. New YorK City ASYLUM FOR THE INSANE, Warp’s ISLAND, Sept, 22, 1872. To THE EDITOR OF THE HERALD:— I beg you to publish the foliowing statements in reply to the very serious and unjust accusations made against mo in your paper of this morning for discharging Samuel Corden from this asylum in a dying condition and inhumanely dragging him from his death bed to appear as a witness against Thomas Farrell, in the recent Coroner’s inquest of the circumstances attending the death of Charles Ornell and Horatio Seymour at this asylum, Samuel Corden, fifty-six years old, was trans- ferred from the Workhouse to this asylum as a pris- oner on July 17, 1872; but it being soon discovered that he was insane, he was returned that same day to the Workhouse, whence he came back the follow- ing morning committed properly by Alderman 4G. W. Plunkitt as a lunatic, The information I re- celved and the circumstances surrounding the case led me to believe that intemperance was the origin of Corden’s insanity. He subsequently ap- peared until July 31 as the generality of individuals do who suffer from _ alcoholic mania. I was absent from the asylum during the month of August. When I returned, on the 1st of September, I found Corden in Ward M, very quiet, rational, Sencemeny in deportment and claiming to be perfectly recovered from his in- sanity, On the 4th of September he complained of diarrheea from sitting on the damp floor immedi- ately after it had been scrubbed. The indisposition ‘was of a very slight character. The assistant resi- dent physician, under whose immediate care Cor- don remained during August, reported favorably concerning his state of mind; and I can, on per- sonal knowledge, say that Corden was never a raving maniac from the ist to the 17th of Septem- ere ‘The 6th of September I was called upon by the as- sistant resident physician, at seven o'clock P. M., to see Corden, who had suddenly experienced re- tention ofurine. The examination I instituted and Corden’s account showed that in 1887, while in Lon- don, he suffered from a disease, leaving behind an irreparable cicatrix, which had in no way what- ever interfered thereafter with his good health, and that he had been of late years inclined to suffer from catarrh in the bladder whenever he would take cold, 1 did not deem it necessary, upon careful examination, to resort to any surgical interference, asthe case at first sight seemed to require, but directed that Cordon should continue with the ap- propriate medicines already prescribed by my as- sistant, and, in addition, that he should be at once put into a warm bath for half an hour, which was done. Before leaving the bath Corden freely re- lieved his bladder, He slept well all that night, and was up, walking about and feeling comfortable jain, the next day. On or about that date some of Corden’s friends, after seeing him, expressed the desire of taking him home, at the same tims that the friends of f. Cassidi, an- other patient, made me a_ similar request, and I consented in both instances to discharge the above patients on the next visit of their respective friends, which was fixed upon jor the end of that rhage ptt El September 14, Cassidi’s friend came and took him away, but Corden's failed to return, and thereupon I gave Corden his discharge on the 14th of September. He was that day free from pain or disease and thus continued until Mon- day morning, having enjoyed the liberty of our grounds for several days past. On Monday morn- ing, being then discharged, he complained again of distress with his bladder, superinduced, as ho believed, after sitting out a long time during the chilly and damp weather of the day fan le. ‘The means employed so successfully on the 6th of September, were again resorted to in this attack, and on Tuesday morning Corden got up, dressed himself, feeling strong enough, as he said to me, to attend to the Coroner's inquest, which was about to take place that day. I directe C. A. Wall, his attendant, that they should go down town by the Harlem boat, and that he should assist Corden after the inquest, 80 that he should safely return to his home in Jersey City. Let me repeat it, that neither the day of Ins discharge, or on Sunday, nor at any other previous time, exeepting on September 6, as it may be verified by the records of his case, did Corden Mee on of any urinary disease, Furthermore, he willingly gave the iniormation concerning Farrell's cruelties at first, not to me, but to my assistant, and offered to me to remain at the asylum to appear asa witness at the Coroner's inquest; and, therefore, there was no occasion or motive whatever on my part to re- sort to intimidation or inducements to secure his evidence, On Monday, September 17, I was speak- ing to Commissioner Frear about Corden, and the Commissioner remarked to me, in the presence of the Warden, that we had no right to Keep Cor- den at the Asylum after his discharge, and that if he was needed by the Coroner as a witness the proper place to keep him was the House of Deten- tion, Corden was at that moment complaining of his bladder, I did not disturb him, and on my own responsibility let him remain at the Asylum until the next day, ag above stated. Finaliy, it was publicly noticed at the inquest that on arrriving Corden sat by me. He complained of having passed a bad night, that he had suffered a great deal during repeated attompts made to pass Instruments into his bladder, and after awhile he expressed a wish to relieve his biadder, when I begged one of the of- cers Pregent 19 accompany Corden out. Coroner Keenan decided, at the last moment on Tuesday, to postpone the inquest until Wednesday, in order to investigate the cases of Ornell and Seymour to- ether. ee | no authority to take Corden back the Aa requested botn Coroner Keenan and Dr, W. Beach to look with particular care after Corden, and to do all in their power to keep him comfortable until the next day. I even went so far as to suggest to them that Corden’s exam- ination should taken in writing that afternoon, but an aggravation of his symptoms might take place and prevent Corden’s appear- ance next nse 08 It was not in my igi wate to do more, nor was I responsible for Corden’s care or maintenance after he had been discharged from the Asylum. To promote tho ends of justice I kept Corden here until, willi and of hig own accord, without ha’ been w by me or by any person here that now of, he lefy the asylam on Tuesdi to the inquest, morning to 4 fo insist Ninos that I woul have Cy p> his discharge on Satarday, September ¥ i Tk Kreap al day) 4 say tele at orden ep for do I know wi of treatme; received, or the cl nracter if The meat Gord ad are said to have been performed on him since he left the Coroner's office, on Tuesday, September 17, and therefore 1 abstain from expressing any opinion ps Ft ie cause of Corden’s death, Yours re M. G, ECHEVERRIA, M. D., Resident Physician, 3 A MURDER IN THE SEVENTH WARD: A Tailor Stabs a Man in the Heart with a Scissors. TERRIBLE ENDING TO A PLEASURE PARTY, Joseph Burnett, of 200 Madison street, was stabbed in the heart, at about a quarter to seven o’clock last night, by Timothy Lanners, of 36 Park street, who has escaped. The murder was committed on the premises of John Bachman, 76 Jackson street, and appears to have been the result of @ quarrel that took place in his room. From the statements of some partics who saw @ portion of tho affair, it would seem that Burnett and Timothy Lanners had been at variance for some time past, but what the nature of the difficulty was, or in what It origi- nated, no one present last night could tell, Bach- man knew both men, and invited them with a num- ber of others to @ christening at his rooms last evening. A lot of Bachman’s friends had arrived before either Lanners or Burnett, and they were’ all enjoying themselves comfortably when Burnett’ and his wife, who is a sister of Lanners’, went into the place. They were recelved with the same cordiahty and heartiness as those who were in before them, and immediately upon their arrival entered into the pleasures of the evening with zest. Kverything was going along smoothly until Lanners made his appearance. He was followed by his brother Jewett, who had! also been invited by Bachman. In going the rounds of the party paying his attention Lanners’ met his brother-in-law Burnett and refused! to recognize him. This stung the man for’ the moment, but he took no notice of it, Later in the evening, however, they got together and quickly quarrelled, Most of the people present were tuilors and their wives, and their conversa- tion naturally turned upon their trade. Burnett opposed something said by Lanners and the latter) made a stinging reply about some work Mrs. Bur-, nett haddone. The husband of the woman took this up and made some kind of charge against his brother-in-law about THE PAYMENT OF THE WORK in question, and both men started to their feet, abusing each other savagely. The women endeav- ored to stop them, but it was no use, and they, finally left the room. They continued the quarrel in the hall outside Bachman’s rooms, and Lan- ners, who was much the smaller man of the two, seemed, some of the people sraid,! rather in'dread of Burnett, who was a lighterman. In the midst of the row Lanners rushed back into the room where the guests were assembled, and snatched ne 8 air of scissors and & match, He was entreated by his sister, Mrs. Burnett, not to back to the hallway, but he would not be staid. He aed the gas in the hall, and some time after the people iuside heard a scufMling. hig gons, tinued for a few minutes and then a deep groan was heard, and Burnett gasped out—"I a stabbed.” His wife rushed to his assistance, an found him leaning against the wall, with @& terrible gaping wound in the chest, im- mediately Bide the hearte: She held him for a few moments in her arms and was about to assist him to creep into Bachman’'s room; but when he got within a few paces of it hia knees gave way and he fell dead across the threshold. ‘The women raised a wild shout and dashed into the street calling out, “MURDER! MURDER! POLICE!?” An immense crowd of people immediately gaths, ered in front of the tenement, and the report was immediately spread that a man had been murdered in Bachman’s, on the third floor, front. 01 4 John B. Smith saw the crowd and heard the of the women. He hastened to the spot soon learned the cause of the excitement. He went up stairs to Bachman’s rooms and found the body of the murdered man lying on its back in the middle of the apartment. He called for assist- ance, and Officer Reveille, of the same —— went to him. The police surgeon of the dist was at once sent for, but when he got to the scene of the affray the wad almost cold. The doctor gave the necessary instructions, and everything was put imorder for the arrival of the Coroner. The police turned to look for the man who had stabbed Burnett, but he wasnowhere to be found. The women told them that immediately after the stabbing and kill- ing of Burnett both the Lanners escaped from the house. The wife of the murdel man and sister of the supposed murderer, was a state bordering upon Miner! when she realli her husband was dead. She tossed her hand@ wildly in the air, tore her hair and was so dis- tracted that the police could with dificulty get any of the details ofthe affair from her. She was the only person, beside Jewett Lanners, who saw the stabbing, and her position between @ husband and brother was @ pecullarly painful one. Another serious consequence is likely to fol- low this tumult. Mrs. Bachman was lying in bed, not belng yet well enough to go about during the disturbance; and it is feared her health is seriously injured by the fright she received. Atan early hour this morning Timothy Lannerd was arrested by Sergeant Chrystie and Officer Johnson, of the Thirteenth precinct, and locked up & the station house to await the action of the Joroner. A FRENCH REPUBLICAN ANNIVER- BSARY, The Banquet Last Night at the French Republican Union—Greeley Denounced and Grant Endorsed—Interesting Toasts and Curtous Details, Last evening L’Union Republicaine Fran- gaise gathered together at No. 3 Amity street to celebrate the eighteenth anniversary of the proclamation of republicanism in France, the day being in French republican annals tantamount to the Fourth of July in this country. After dinner the President, Monsieur: Pelletier, a gentleman of great literary attainments and who was forced to flee from Fiance during the coup d@état of 1851, arose and proposed the toast of the mem- ory of the proclamation of republicanism in France on the 22d of September, 1792, which was received with the greatest enthusiasm. Mr. Pel- letier then gave a brief history of that memorable arising of the French people, Commencing with the capture of the Bastile on the 14th of July, 1789, the imprisonment of Louis XVI., his wife, Marie an- totnette, and the Princess Elizabeth—Napoleon’s Consulate, Mirabeau the orator, Fouquier, Thion- ville, Robespierre, Marat and Danton, membera subsequently of the Directory, and a br dd ee of the three parties—the Montagne, Jacobin and Girondin, and other historical matter, which was all listened to with breathless attention, as also his allusions to the revoluttonary epochs of 1815, 1830, 1848, 1861 and 1870, The next proceeding was the report of the committee on the subject of the Presidential election, which alluded to Mr. Greeley’s false professions of philan- thopy, his wild unagination, his continued fi sults of the French ion, hus attempts to seve the South from the North, his advocacy of Chinese labor, his contemptible strictures upon President Grant (Vive Grant!) aud his whole political career, which was @ living lie; and the resolution that although Grant had faults, it was a thousand times [thee to vote for him than the mountebank recley. Great applause followed the reading of these resolutions. The following toasts were then ven:—"The French Republic, and long may t last, cou led with the Health of President Thiers.” = ~=“"The Press of France, which brought about the Great French Revolution,” by Mr. Latour; ‘The Commune of Paris and the 18th of March, 1870,” by Mr. Christianal; “Liberty, ee and Humanity,” by Mr. Legrand, form- erly acelebrated Parisian journalist; “The ‘End of the World, and May We All Die Together,” by Mr, Mozeau, a comic address; “The Great French Revolution, the yo! of France,” by Mr, Her- taud, a Wall street banker, of twent! year's ex- perience there, who said all his colleagues wero rogues and brigands, The mecting was brought to an end by some very interesting remarks by Mr. Hubert, who spoke on the labor question and the social aspect of the Commune. DISTURBANCE IN MOBILE. A Republican Meeting Broken Up—Mis- ecellaneous Shooting and Three Men Shor Pg MosILg, Ala., Sept, 22, 1872, Last night, during @ meeting of republicans tn this city, a disturbance occurred, It began by the discharge of a pistol into the ground by some unknown person, which caused a general stam- eae. ade Bag - ret a wai re a wh an, others a negro. Other shots followed. No ‘one was ure in the neighborhood of the speaking, but three rons were seriously injured some distance ‘om the scene of action. Mr. Morris, of the arm of Morris & Co., was shot while standing in his own dwelling. Mr, Richards, son of ©. G, was also shot. Oliver J. Jemmels was knocked down and clubbed, These are the at persons at pres- ent kno’ to have been injured, they were attacked by negroes who were stam A BOAT AOOIDENT, Sad Case of Drowning at CohoesCare ried Over the State Dam. Coors, N. Y., Sept. 22, 1872. Samuel Sternett, aged fifty years, was carried the State Dam in a skiff, near Green Island, fast night and drowned, ‘The body was recovered