The New York Herald Newspaper, September 23, 1871, Page 4

' d ; —~ THE RING WRANGLE. A Dull Day at the Court House and City Hall. DEPUTY GREEN'S FIRST REQUEST. The Mayor Does Not Acknow- ledge Its Receipt. THE “BOSS” INTERVIEWED. The Burned Remnants of the Vouchers in the Ash Heap. THE COMMITTEES STILL AT WORK, ‘The Committee of Seventy Watching the Movements of Our City Officials, Workingmen = Claimoring Their Wages. for Big with fate to Tammany and to New York were yesterday's briogings forth on the quesuon of the stolen vouchers. The acute interest taken by the pubiic in the preliminary examination at the Tombs hung all on one thread, and that not on the fate of the miserable tools who, through their ready servi- ‘tude, are in the tolls, but as to whether the master or masters would be implicated in the facts reveaied. The scone was made iively by the bombast of counsel, but the story of the theit to its innermost springs was what made the listeners Weary of political speeches, made for effect by the lawyers. The evidence brought forward re- ceived a fresh interest when it became known through Lyons, the County Auditor, that Keyser’s vouchers had beea REMOVED AT THE COMPTROLLER’S ORDER before the ‘burglary’ took place, and that they were still safe. To many tpis appeared as evidence that the Comptroller was aware of the intention to destroy the vouchers, and that he only saved such as he could use with effect against the other mem- bers of the “Ring,” Mr. Tweed particularly, This view would make @ bad case against Mr. Connolly; yet bis friends argue that it was simply to the accident of wishing to know exactly what they contained that their preservation 1s due. Shoutings loud as thunder ou this point will make bat little impreasion on the people, who, while allye to every tittle of the developments, refuse to decide in auy one’s favor for the present, “iT LOOKS BAD FOR DICK,” or “what Dick’s iriends may say may be true,” is gbout the extent of confideuce in any story ven- tured at the present juncture. First impreastons are hard to remove, and the first thought accused Connolly particularly and the “Ring” generally, Before the examination it lcoxed somewhat better for Richard B. than it looks now. Connolly himself must bear the blame if things are changing until he tells on the stand why the Keyser vouchers were taken out, and until nis reasons are corrobo- rated exoterically. As society loses its opinion of a man, 8¢ his protestations are of lignter weight un- 438 supported by undeniable evidence. HIS APPEARANCE ON THE STAND pon Monday next will be @ rare treat to those who wish to see a man swearing who is charged witn the duty of defending himself from fraud, in addl- Uon to trying to convict a servaut who may touch @ mine at any moment which will blow asonder the last inks which bind the power of the Ring. At Essex Market * nothing was done. Mra. Hageriy is stili in cus- tody and will probably be discharged to-day. The girl Mary Conway has been sent to the House of De- tention, and Mr. Murphy might improve his oppor- ‘nnilies there to some advantaze also. A BAD DAY FOR TAMMANY yesterday, The Joint Committec's sub-committees have made no further reports. The three-score-and- ten did not meet, but they are represented to be working like beavers in a mauuer not visible to the naked eye. If fireworks and pyrotechnic oratory could keop Mr. Tweed in his piace the scene last night on Kast Broadway should be reassuring to the gentlemen on the real estate business whose motto 8 “Coufidence.” At the Comptroiler’s OM :e. Ail day long there was more or lees of commotion tn the Compitroiler’s Cfice, but it was in relation to the progress of the examination going on at the Tombs. To an ordinary visitor there was no ap- Parent excitement; the clerks were all at work as usual, and nothing was being done or said tu give rise to any suspicion of anything out of the regular course Of evenis having taken piace. THE CHARRED REMNANTS of papers founa im the ash heap on the loftin the top of the Court House were auxivusly inquirea after, and one or two oficiais secured small scraps, some entirely Viank and others containing writing or printed italics and titles, which show them to Dave beon documeats connected with the county business and the departments of the Comp- trolier's office. Mr. Green las, it 1s reported, Secured some scraps which were but slightly charred, and which show beyond a dovbt that the documents thus partiy destroyed were vouchers, aud probably some of those which had been taken from the office at the time of the “burglary.” Such Portions as these may be necessary adjuncts to the examination now going on, aud are carefully guarded for presentation to the Grand Jury, Tne Majority of the scraps found were so charred as to look like pieces of manifoid transfer paper which had been written on with @ sharp imstrument, and it will require a very minute examination to de- cipher just whai the contents were, THE ASH HEAP was, of course, an object of interest yesterday. It 48 located immediately under the roof, in a large, Open and apparently unfinisned garret, The ashes Were not put intoa bin or box, as has been inti- mated, but were dumped in on top of the brick filling of the floor. The ceilings and floors throughout the bullding are of jron and brick, and the floor in the space where the ash heap is had not been covered with either wood or marble ties, like the floors in tne rest of the building. a watchman, detailed from the guard at the Comptroiler's office, has been on Post near the asb heap since the discovery of the papers, and wiil, of course, allow nobody to disturo ‘he rematuder of the heap. The papers were found im the ashes in just about the location the woman Conway said they had been thrown. Beyond this coincidence there is apparently nowing to show that the portions found did not really belong to an other papers than those taken from the Ccmptrol- ler’s office. Deputy Comptroller Green nas transmitted to the Mayor a& request that the Board of Supervisors may be convened to take action on the tax levy. The conununicaiion of Mr, Green Is as follows:— Naw York, Sept, 91, 1871. Hon. A. Oaxey Wait, Mayor and President Of the Hourd‘of Deas Bin—1 understand that the Board of Baper- visors at their Inst meetme adjourned to mort a th the President. 1 would reqnest date e said Board be convened at the eariest possibie to receive @ communication from this department, Fansmitted to the Clerk of the of Supervisors meres. relating to the Tax Levy of the taxes for ihe year ery respeciiully yo ANDREW’, URERN, Deputy Comptroller. This document, it will be observed, is signed by the Deputy Compirotier while the Comptrofier bim- welt was known to be at bis umice; but the Mayor K No official hove of the cummuuicauon. OD pplication AT THE MAYOR'S OFTIOR For information on the subject the Mayor s had received a communication from ine Finance Depariment te ire d lat tue supervisors be con- vened, but tat it had been autic Ipated, as he had ly issued 4 call i response to a reyaest from the Joint Commitee in order that the Supervisors may take action In regard to delegating to them fhe power to send jor persons ani papers. The pervisors are to meeton Monday, at one Prclock, and may then Wake action iso on the tax levy for i871. Beyond this, and a littie pleasant badimage, the Mayor had nothing to communicate. Brn AROUND THE CITY BALL i there Was » ("iness almost painful, in view of the exolement Wary! Teed & jew days velore, and NEW YURK HERALD, SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 00 Oved to exist, onac- | opening roads and patks and places, as the Ring Count of the discovery of ‘he burned papers ‘and the a were barn Se 2 Perr ter ope . ut of sary a ing iuformation of ads and peculations has passed, and such news fies in w it now tna What the “Boss” Says. Yesterday was # dull one at the Department of Public Works, Very few persons were visible in the vicinity of the butiding, and the usual loungers who hang around Park place and visit the whiskey shops tn the vicinity were absent, scattered through- out the Seventh, Fifth, Thirteenth and Fourteenth wards, preparing the masses for the Tweed meet- ing which occurred last evening. Mr. Tweed was closeted with his friends, who called in targe num- bers during the day, and who were aamilted to his private rooms, AHBRaLD reporter had a short interview with Mr. Tweed late in the evening, before ne left tne | M. office of the Depariment of Public Works. The one-armed messenger took the reporter's name steady stream from day to es, Tom day. John Jon Brown or some other first, second or third clerk or guditor or oficial of a department, fer instance, fearing that his head weuld not be sale, hurries £0 Deputy Comptroller Green or some member of ty committee aud reports some isolated fact or “.coum- stance of which he has knowledge, and ¥; nich may give the committee ah important clu ¢ work u; in @ given case; and in this way a great deal of ble information 1s given to the comunitree day A good deal ia furnished also by women Th variods places, and. in the recent abstractiou Of im various places, an 0 recen' on youchers from the Comptroller's office, tor which Edward Haggerty is now in prison, FACTS AND INCIDENTS have been bronght out which tend tocriminate Wm. ‘Tweed in that exploit, When the ittee have their testimony in proper pring mg make rary, aoe who has (ab treasury aisgorge Foley’s injunction aM@davit was in pi ne Bn to Mr. Tweed, and the latter following the | same. rint Unree weeks before it was ut luto the Supre| messenger along the hall waited while the | lites weeks before It was brougal tut Conta toe my Messenger opened the door, which was locked, | not a ne pros a hone cia ag hnrd x community, by @ private pass key. The reporter found Mr. cesta 10 every: Nagi ore de, im Ped WFweed standing up at atable in the centre of the room, with a thin overcoat and wearing a white ney, Governor and ev they severally stand 01 other—to ascertain where neckle, Mr. Tweed seemod pale and careworn | What are the chances that justice may meted oat and looked as if he haa been wearted boyd nd the bi 4 Recanes and little. The suggestion endurance of apablic ofi¢! mor was pro. valent syrongnont tine city yesterday afternoon that Henry ‘Smith, ‘the President of the Police Com- mussioners, would be arrested, after the courts had been closed for the day, on a charge of complicity Wich the Hagerty case, The HERALD reporter spoke to Mr. Tweed, who re- cetved him very courteously, HERALD REPORTER.—Is there anything transpir- ing w-day of public interest, Mr. Tweed ? Mr. TWEED—Nothing atall that Iam aware of, sir; Tam ignorant of anything outside of this oMoce, and have to get my information from the newspapers. You can readily anderstand that. REroRTsR—Well, Mr. Tweed, you must pardon me if Task you a question; itis my business to pro- cure information. Have you heard of or know that Henry Smith has been or 1a to be arrested this after- noon or evening by a warrant which ts to be served on tim? Mr. TwBED—I cannot tell anything about it, Iam sure, Rerorrer—There is @ rumor of that kind in existence, and [I thought erin I could obtain some information irom you, Mr. Tweed. Mr, TWHED—I cannot tell you anything abont it. But I believe that you might get some information from Captain Thorne, of the police, i e City Hatt basement. If there has been any such arrest made Captain Thorne will inform you. The reporter then bade Mr. Tweed good day. At the corner of Broadway and Park place a carriage was Waiting, into which Mr. Tweed and a tall gentie- man with a Dlack sack coat anda walking cane in his hand stepped soon after, when the coachman drove the carriage rapidly ap Broad way. ‘The reporter then called upon Captain Thorne, at the City Hail station house, and was ushered into Captain Thorne g private room. Revortsr—I have just come from Mr. Tweed’s office, and I was there informed by him tnat if I called 7 you I might ascertain if Mr, Henry Smith, President of the Board of Police Commis- sioners, has been arreated, Captain ThorNE-I have not heard of any such arrest, and I would know if it had occurred. ‘There is no trath in it. The next gentleman visited by the renorter was Judge Ledwith, at his office, No. 111 Nassau street, ‘whom the reporter engaged for a few minutes, REPoRTER—Judge, 1s it true that you have issued & warrant for the arrest of Henry Smith, the Poilce Commisstoner. Judge LEDwiTH—No, I have not issued any such warrant, ReporTer—Well, may I ask a if you intend to issue any such warrant to-night? Judge LepwiTH—I cannot answer any such ques- tion as that, Tama puvuic magistrate and my daty does not allow me say when I shail issue war- rants, jor when & warrant is issued then the public will hear of it, but not belore, Ihave not issued any such warrant to-day, that I will tell you frankly. Good day, sir. The Department of Parks, Judge Hilton was yesterday morning, at an early hour, present at his private office attending tothe payment of the laborers and artisans who ate em- ployed on the city parks. About five thousand men receive employment from this source, and of thi number about eight hundrea are skilled artisans, accountants, engincers and heads of departments. . Mr. George Van Nort did not leave the office on Thursday until midnight, as he was engagea under the supervision of Jadge Hilton, as directed by Mr. Sweeny, in paying off the men who are dependent on their daily wages for support. Many of those men were unaer the appretiension that they would not be paid, owing to the fallure of the Comptroller to answer the requisi- tous nade upon him by the Department of Parks. When it was anuounced to the men that their pay was ready, through the qaick Ho Cond and rapid dec: of Mr. Sweeny, the enthusiasm was ‘eat, and the names of Mr. Sweeny and lilton were lustily cheered, Up to this time requisitions have been made upon the Comptroller, Connolly, for the following sums, which are actually necessary to Carcy on the works intended to beautify and improve the city: Department of Doc! sees Department of Public Parks—deficit . Department of Public Packs—payment of laborers for two weeks made good by Air. Sweeny's personal check on the Tenth N@UOMAl BADK.....seeseseeseceseeereeseree 113,000 TOtAl....-cocsscrarsecs cosve. ogeerpsegces $f OQR 000 If this money 13 not paid directly the men who have wives and families, and who vegetate on the top floors and im the damp basements of tenement houses, will starve and their wives and children will starve with them. It 1s, no doubt, very interesti tu the public to read the accounts of the fights an squabbles between rival politicians who are ready to cut each other's throats, but in this’ case hundreds of famiiles will be rendered aesuitute by the deiay in paying them their honest claims, One hard-fisted workingman, who was anxiously waiting for his pay outside of the Comptroller's office yesterday, stated to the re- porter that he “owed $40 for rent, and that as the cold weather was coming he wanted to get some coal and some warm ciothing for his wife and chil- dren; bat If he did not get his pay soon he would be turned outon the strect.”” Tye man’s face was pinched and ne seemed in great troubie; for it is seldom that the cries of men of his station and class ia life ave ever heard. The Committee ef Seventy. ‘The Comraittee of Seventy did not meet yesterday, nor will they meet to-day, unless something very urgent should arise to cali for their action. Tne sab-commitee are all busy looking up materia! for their general meeting on Monday. By and by, when ali this excitement has ceased and the immedia‘e purpose tor which the commitiee was called into existence has been fulfilled, tr will reorganize asa committee of public safety and remain in being Permanently or at least until the public and oficial morality is such as no longer to need watching. This period will provably dawn about the time that the millennium will appear. How- ever, the committee has adopted, or will adopt at its next meeting, @ constitution and bylaws for the guidance and governance of a permanent organiza- tlon, and has fixed, or will fix, upon the first Mon- day in January for its annual meeting and election of oficers. There is @ quiet but frm determination among the solid members of the committee To SER THIS BUSINESS THROUGH to the end, and they begin to reaiize that their daty will not end when they have ascertained the amount stolen by each one of the “King” thieves, great or small, They intend to look after the political move- ments of the city also, and, indepenuent of either and of every party, will nominate men for oMce whom they belfeve the people can trust, ana will bend every energy for the election of such men. And should thew candidates be unfairly dealt with at the baliot box or in the subsequent counts they will prosecute toe matter .o the ery en of the law, even to Lie highest courts in the United States. The Mayor's present redistricting of the city, by which it is alleged that many honest and incorrupti- bie Inspectors of Biection, who were chosen by the peop! 6 year, will be ruled out and their places be flied by appointees of the Mayor, it 1s feared and 1s strongly iting by members of tle committee Will create troubi STATE AND CHARTER ELECTIONS, and the committee is looking auead accurdingly in anticipation of it. They deny again, as they have already denied, that wey are coalescing with Mesers, Hail or Connolly or Gre ‘D OF any other body. They consider themselves now masters of the situation, gud with the game im their own hands. Bat though they are moving cantiously, whey are not movin; qnite 80 Wiy as some of the radical journals which are clamoring for some pi strike to be made before election would indicate, The committee is com- | posed of men of every shade of politics—Young | Democrats and Tammanyites, Greeley republicans and Murpnyites and men of no pariy, and they mean to act independent of party and above party afiMations; and bitnert is Haye 9 ared peither triend nor foe. Thelt sub-conRMiticeo ase gone. 10 ‘ut, to Greenwich, New London and else. here Tweed and Connoily aud otners of at those places very much ‘more than it woull be ursday to associate himself with District Attorney Garvin was @ fecler in this direc- Moa for the latter. Should the accused parties hold on to their places ut sate Purpose of the committee, ag we under- stand, to 4 ou BY A LEGISLATIVE REPEAL of the city charler next winter, But, meantime, It is thought and believed by many that Governor Hotf- man will make a for himseif by remov- Site. commitios have their eyes also on the reportea or actual tranafers of real estate by Sweeny and Tweed and Connoily and Iageraoli and the rest of the cul- prits, and are determined that the city shalt not oe Cheated out of its just rights by any such little game, Important developments and revelations are looked Tor at the commitiee’s meeung on Monday. The Investigating Committee. The various sub-committees of the general com- mittee of citizens and Aldermen, who are charged with the investigation of the financial condition of the city, were yesterday in session at various hours, and each committee largely “progressed” the work. No formal session was held; but during the entire day some members of each committee were present and were actively at work. Among them were Aldermen Dimond, Plunkitt, Walsh, Woltman, Schlichting and Coman, and various citizens, ine cluding Mr. Wiliam A. Booth, Mr. Soloman, Mr. Pearsali and others, No conclasions were arrived at; but the committee Mave laid out work that will employ them FOR THREE WEEKS. Mr. Booth, who has no secrets to keep from the press, states that everything ts running smoothly, but he admits that the HERALD was the only paper (as far a8 he-had ata late hour yesterday a(ternoon examined them) that gave ® correct report of yes- terday’s proceedings of the committee. ‘The reporter asked Mr. Bootn how it came that he had offered the resolution referring to the statutes (see section 1, chapter 190, Laws of 1858)? when ¢hat VENEBABLE FATHER OF FINANCIAL FACTS #miled and subsided, Later he stated that at the first meeting of the Joint Committee the Aldermanic members of the Board had, 1n answer to an inquiry, consented to the proposition to ca for persons aud papers, and Mr. Kooth (with a sly wink) remarked:— “YOU HERALD REPORTERS ARE SHARP, I tell you, sir, that when I offered the resolution yesterday in the committee meeting at which you and other gentlemen of the press were present, [ had no intention to spring @ trap upon anybody.’ “But,” said the reporter, “most men and report- ers—and I must confess that 1am one—have grave suspicions that certain members of your comunittee are endeavoring TO DEPRECIATE TAR FINANCIAL CONDITION OF THB ciry, with a view to ‘make ® corner’ and realize an ad- vantage 10 & pecuniary point of view.” In answer to this statement Mr. Booth carefully detailed the antecedents of nis associates, which are reserved for future reference. Mr. Boo:h, how- ever, was irank to admit that his resolution offered at the meeting was nct understood by some, out It ‘was in accordance with an understanding that tne Supervisors would delegate to his committee cer- tain powers. A number of queries aud answers passed between the HERALD reporter and Mr. Booth Telating to the law under which Messrs, & Co. work. Passing the verbiage of the int AG 1s only neceasary to repaviish 10m yesterday's HzR- ALD Mr, Booth’s RESOLUTION. Resolved, That the honorable the Board of Supervisors of the county of New York he, and they are, respectfully re- quested by proper resolutions to confer upon the members of this body, who have been duly appoiuted a committee to act with a committee of the Board of Aldermen of the city of New York tn making an examination of the accounts and finaneia! condition of said county and city of New York, authority to exercise the powers enumerated and set forth ia section I, chapter 190 of laws of 1868. ‘The clause referred to reads as follows:— Suorron 1. Whenever the Board of Supervisors of any county shai deem it necessary or important to examine any person as a witness, upon any subject or matter within the jurisdiction of such boara, or to examine any officer of the County in relation to the discharge of his oficial duties, oF to the receipt oF disbursement by him of any moneys, or con- Seip ¢ possession or disposition by him of any property elon, any tdthe county, orto use aud inspect oF examine ‘account, voucher or document in the pos- session of such oflicer or other mn wouer his control, lating to irs or interests o1 or president of board ick sl form commanding such, person oF ollcer to apy such board, at atime and place therein spect! amined as'a witness, and such suopena may clause requiring such person or ollicer to produce on such examination ail books, papers and doctinents tn bis posses- sion or under his control relating to the aifaira or interests of the county. Mr. Booth, during the interview, asked the re- porter to look at section 22 “of the same act’? quoted above, which is mereiy ‘an act to enlarge the powers of the Boards of Supervisors;” but there is no such section in the act, which terminates at section 10, Presigeat Booth evidentiy referred to the Revised Statates, which contains the same act. But it is un- necessary to search the laws for section 22. Itap- pears in the elgiits-tirst session, laws of 1858, passed April 14, 1863, Chapter 190. page 310, and reads aa Tollows:— Srotton 5. Whenever the Board of Supervisors shall have appointed any member of, their vody a committee upon any su possess all the powers and be liable to all the duties herein iven to and impo.ed upon the Chairman or President of the Board of Supervisors. ‘rhe other clauses in the act quoted above are of interest to persons in view of the dialogue on Thurs- day in the open sesston of the Hitgh Jos Committee between Messrs, Booth, Osborne, Phelps and Claflin. 4 resclution, if adopted by the Board of Super- visors, will virwuaily enabie Alderman Dimond, Chairman of the High Joint Committee, to institute A COMMITTEE WITH EXTRAORDINARY POWERS, to examine Dooks, take evidence, subpoena witnesses and prolong the investigation of the Financlal De- partment indefinitely. It is probable that at the meeting of the Board of Supervisors on Monday the above resolation of Mr. Booth will be acted upon. It may be stated here that several supervisors yester- day informed & HERALD reporter that they would oppose the resolution, which was not understood When it passed unanimosly in the session of the High Joint on Thursday. Captain Tom Cherry Interviewed. “Chat with Cherry” was the order given to a reporter yesterday. This Mundane sphere has wany cherries; but the re- ciplent of the order knew that Captatn Tom Cherry, of the Twenty-seventh precinct, was the man meant, Repairing to the station house to interview Cherry on the subject of the stolen vouchers, Ser- geaut Maloney, the capturer of THE DESPERATE BURGLAR, was found at the desk, and, in answer to queries, stated that Captain Cherry might be iu soon. The reporter waited and passed the time in @ critical ex- amination of a fine photograph of THE LATE SUPBRINTENDENT JOURDAN, that added to the ornamentation of the room. Later Cherry arrived, wuen the HERALD reporter, in co succession, put the following queries, amon; others, to the Captain, who (\urown off bis guard) answere “Captain,” sald the reporter, “what do you know about the stolen vouchers?” Cherry Was instantly a know nothing, and, after pausing, auswered— “Nothing, except what appears in my aMfdavit.’’ ‘That is irack, buv’. id tue reporter puied a fragrant Havana cigar. “WAS HANK SMITID HEBE WITHIN A PBW Daysf"? NO, gir.!? “Has Keiso been here!" “No a." “Hak James Irving, Chief of Betectives, been here on sd voucher busigess 1" “No, sir.” ave yon recetved any orders {rom them 9 éar erbal ones from the Superintendent only,” sala Sherry. “thanks, Who gave you orders inthe case, if your oficial capacity will allow you to auswer “My superior,” said Cherry. “Why do you ask? NB TO TALK OR BE INTERVIEWED." “But id he reporter, “I haye an unpleasant duty (8 pérform, and T want the names of your ofl- E, cers who were engaged tu te case and your ward these men have their country seats, anu have learned | detectives, Cherry was uneasy and showed ft, bat the re- pradeot at preseut to make known, Tney have | porier wag cool and also looked alter ‘ REQUESTED CiMRRRY TO RE COOL. MB. SWEENY'S NEW PURCHASE, A running conversation foliowed, of an animpor- near Lake Mahopac, in Puinam county, where the old-tashionéa Gemocrats are cursing Lim and bis co conspirators abd protesting that they will uot have hun vo selte there to paddie them with vills for | + fant nature, in whicy ‘James Leuox Kennedy, of Bank of Commerce” “ROBBERY AT BANK OF COMMERCE YRARSAGO," ‘Hank Smith,” ‘Kelso,"’ “Did vou wear of ity “Investigating Commit! of which Kennedy is ch "ana orher warts casa te: " pleas santly” to the reporter, but to Chorty’s chagrin Finally, when the ol are Cherry i See Dt man. a as Fre rn Ml even hun @ clue énerry Tanw OFF HIS CoAT 4nd, stépping up te the renorter, showed consider- ‘aole pluck; but the proffer of a cigar and the re- “Captain, don’t get excited, we are both soting under orders,” threw Cherry out of a fighting , and he took @ seat ana for twenty minutes was ‘as dociie as alamb,” a3 he has the reputation of al- ways being. . Not a word, however, could be got out of Cherry implicating his chiefs in the robbery, and the ré- Porter accepted on leaviug one of “Tom's” cigars ‘a8 a peace ollering. THE STOLEN VOUCHER Examination at Tombs Yesterday. STARTLING DISCLOSURES. The the Keyser’s Bills Still in Ex- istence. FULL DETAILS OF THE ROBBERY. Auditor Lynes and Deputy Comp- troller Storrs Upon the Stand. TALKING AGAINST TIME. THE CASE “ADJOURNED UNTIL MONDAY. The examination of Hagerty and Baulch was begun at the Tombs yesterday morning before Judge Dow- ling. Double files of police guarded the approach to the Court of Spevial Sessions and succeeded in pretty well filtering the general public who applied for ad- Mission—so successfully, indeed, that the benches teserved for the accomodation of visitors were al- most exclusively filled witn politicians, directly or indirectly interested in the result of the proceedings. ‘There was also a grand gathering of counsel inside the bar. Among the distinguished visitors Air. Connolly was especially conspicuous, his face wreathed in smiles and in the highest possible spirits, Judge Dowling arrived at about five mmutes past ten, and the crier having called out “Hats om)’ in Stentorian tones, the Court subsided into the hum of excited expectation, Which usually precedes a great trial. The prisoners, when brought in, seemed very nervous—Hagerty especially so. Hagerty, how- ever, had evidently bestowed great pains upon his toilet, and appeared in the dock “dressed to kill’ and brandishing an ivory-headed cane. It was ob- servable, however, that he was very pale and hag: gard and haa not found time to shave himself. Baulch looks rather stupid, and at first seemed con- siderably frightened. Everything was then dectared ready; but it was suddenly discovered that the counsel for the defence was missing. “I believe he is keeping out of tne way on pur- bose,” suggested @ shrewd looker-on. “They don’t want the case finished to-day, and if it ts not it will be adjourned till Monday.” All of which the event proved to be perfectly correct. Nearly three-quarters of an hour after the ap- Pointed hour the counsel appeared, ana, after an apology for his late attendance, plunged into an elaborate argument in regard to the arrest of Mrs, Hagerty and her arraigoment before Judge Led- with. Bp made a motion that Judge Dowling include the name of this lady in the present complaint, if the District Attorney should consider, after a careful review of the evidence against her, that she could be legally held to answer the complaint. It ‘was a rule of law, he satd, that a wife couid not be held to answer for anything that had transpired in her husband’s presence. Besides, Judge Dowling had acqatred, in his opinion, by the arraignment of the prisoners, full cognizance of the entire burglary. These were the only points in the counsel's ad- Gress, but he took nearly an hour to enuncilate tnem, and was evidently and palpabiy talking against wine. District Attorney Garvin, in reply, sald tnat he did not think Judge Dowlng had anything to do with the case of Mrs. Hagerty. The prisoners were charged with a burglary, and the evidence on that head was the only business before tne Court. TESTIMONY OF COUNTY AUDITOR LYNES. Stephen ©. Lynes was then called and gave the following testimony :— Q Do you hoid any official position? A. I am County Auditor of the county of New York. oe low long have you been such? A. Since the 15th of May, 1871. Who paige A. Mr. R, B. Connolly. Were you i thé Qomptroller’s ofice on the 9th of september, 1871? A. Yes, sir. Q. On that day were there any papers belongin; to the Comptrolier’s office of the city of New Yor in that office which you occupied and over wiuca you exercised some control? A. Yes, sir. Q, Describe one or two of those papers that were missed, 80 that we can know what they were, A, ‘They were vouchers for work performed. Q. Describe them, A. They were bills for work oe against the county of New York and paid. Q. Describe how these bills were made ont and all about them. A. The bill was made out on one of the proper voucber forms; the voucher came to us from the cleré of the Board of Supervisors; they would be then examined and a check drawn for them and gotten ready. Q. Who first sees a bill? A. After coming from the Board of Supervisers it comes to the Audivor of Accounts to be certified; itis then examined ana a warrant made out and it is then ready for payment, and it is subsequently flied among the vouchers. Q. Were vlere any such bills in your oifice on that day? A. Yes, sir. Q. How many bills? A, Perhaps two thousand or three thousand, or more, Q. Did they cover any particular year? A. They covered two yeais—1869 anc 1870, Q. For about what amount were those blils? A. About tweive million dollars. Q. All county bills? A. Yes, sir. + Were tere any aflidavits attached to those Oills? A. Yes. Q a. the claimants? A. Yes, Q Who swore to the correctness of what they charged? A. The claimant swears to the correctness of the services rendered and the work performed. Q. And were those bills arranged in that way? A. That [don't know; some of them were. Q. Who pays these accounts? A. A clerk in the oMice; it goes to another department; 1 put it in the safe and the man comes and receives it. Q, State what the substance of the receipt 13. A. “Received irom the peopie of the county of New Pics warrant for such an amount in full of this ¥ & And that receipt is signed by the claimant? A. Q. Does it then come back to you? A. It is put away in a drawer and the voucher is filed away 10 the County Auditor's department, ¢ in yourdepartment? A. Yes. . And this was the kind of bills that were taken to the amount of $12,000,000. A. Yes, Who sigus these warrants? A. The Oomp- trolier, the Mayor and the Clerk of the Board of Supervisors. Q. To whose order are these warranta made pay- able? A. To the crder of the claimant. Ant before he ‘can got hi t fore he can get his money he puts his name on the back of the warrant and it is oo in ail cases so far as youknow? A. Yes. Q, State the name of the Clerk of the Board of Supervisors? A. Joseph B. Young. Q And the Mayor? A. A. Oukey Hall. » And the Comptroiler? A. KR. B. Connolly, And Jou.are the Auditor? A. Yes, utr. |, After paywent the warrant comes back filed away ft your department? Av Yes. he mag nt a an yoni — they are filed away; bal es or loosely ¥ . They are put bundies—tied up, id vate iadlom Put ig pigeonboles? a, ide marked. Bc Yoo, and i er re P wi intone or lettered? A. Numbered and filed venient packages, with outside indicating What they “eather a aah Do you mean that you begin a fresh number every year or that you nave continuous numbers? A. We begin again each year anu go °F down, 4 When ce" pupae Qa you gay No. 1, 1870; do you also pit anything éise ‘on them to’ indiéate where they belong or where they may be found? A, They are endorsed on the ontside, so as to see on opening the pigeonhole what Is there, Q. Have you oy ed on your books or other- wike by which to know the pigeonhole w go to t dada derta in paper? A, Yo Sie i sib Q, Describe where they are stowed away, A. There are closeta with pigeonholes in them, and they ate filed away in convenient packages; the name of the title is endorsed on them on the’ out- side of the paper, sitting up endwise; if you want to find a ceriain paper and know the titie it is paid from ali you have to do is to look through and draw it out. Q Is there any book? A. A record nook; the , ISTL—TRIPLE SHEET. amount is entered there and the party to whom It ts Q. On this book have you any letter.or ire to in- dicate where to find the vouchers? A. don’t say where the vouchers are; it says only the date and the amount aud the name of the person who received the money, and the number is put on the paper aud also on the book. Q. There are no letters about it? A. No, sir. % State whether these accounts of $12.000,000, audited, passed and paid, were in the office on the 9th of September, 1871, Yea. sir. Q. State the first iniormation on the subject of the logs, and the first discovery you made in them. A. When I arrived at the office on Monday morning, after I got tnside the Mice, | heara there had been thieves; I saw not ground there at that time that indicated any burglary; that was about half-past nine; 1 went to my own drawers and ous shem all right; then 1 looked at the outside of ‘cupboard doors and saw that they were shut up, @ bOOKS | ard to | Toum, to see if they | e and I went to the Comptroller’ i been there, one ¥ there wero no indica. ns of Hele having been there. Q And those ca had closed doors? A. BS a] them and found that the lock had of bee! ce ive how they were pried off? A. With a chisel or jimmy; the marks yf the instrament werg $ Do > you lock these doors every night? A. Yes. Did youlock them before you went away on the 9th September? A. They were locked either by myself or deputy. Do you carry the key in your pocket? A. Yes. ris Does hes same key unlock the cupboards? es, sir. Q. You had that key the morning you found out har A. ven cunabe ma w many of the cu rs were open in this Vad A. Three, ee Q. Did they contain all these vouchers that are —, A. Yea, cian Se ane a eta " ler aud each cu; bogra was full of oles, e What room hat in the Comptrolier’s office? A. Ibis the first room entering up stairs, Q. What kind of adoor has it? A. Itis a glass panel door—one pane of glass, the door being of wood and the upper half glass, Describe tae break in tnat door—where it was all avout it. The break was at the right hand corner of the glass, the lower corner, Q. What s1z@ was it? A. The size would probably be ean or ten inches in diameter; tt wasa corner cut out vt £ Sage a it conveniently put his hand through . Yea, sir, How near was this break that you have de- scribed to the lock of the door? A, It was about eighteen inches, so that a man could easily reach it by putting his hand through; it was a catch lock witn a spring. Q Taking held of this lock, could the door be opened? A. You can open it from the inside witn- out # Key. but not from the outside. 2. ‘That was the way this man, whoever he was, dl Me the door? A. Yes, . What was to prevent a person from getting this a with his hand through the break and going right into your room? A. Nothing. Q, That is the room? A. Yes; there is another door, but it 13 never locked; that door is the oue next to the wall; mine is the inside room, next to the Comptroller's oLice. = And this room between the Comptroller's oMce and the outer room 1s the room where the vouchers werer A. Yes, Q. Have you papers? A. No. .» Have you any knowledge outside what you have just stated? A. No. Q. Just take any one bill passed by the Board of Supervisors and filed away in this way, and give us the particulars of it—any one of ‘the missimg vouchers, A. Do you want tie name? Q. Xes. A, Tiere was one of Andrew J. Garvey, and another for tue New York Juventie Asylum. Q. Can you state the actual contents of any one of these bilis—any one bill that you looked over your- seli—that you have read? A. | do not mean to say that all these bills were passed by the board of Su- pervisors; some were payable otherwise than that. Q. Take any one ol these bills tiat you remember— do you know the contents of that bill of A. J. Gar- vey's? A. No. Q, Have you any remembrance of any other bill thatis missing, or any memorandum in court by wate 708 could refresh your memory in regard to it? A. No. any knowledge who got these Q, There were several bills of A. J. Garvey’s? a. e8, Mr. Connell, for the defence, here stated that the Gresereeoe. must not assume that they admitted hat the missing vouchers were genuine and authen- tic documents; that would have to be proved. Q Were you familiar with tho signaiure of any name appended to auy Of these biiis so a3 to be abio to say whether 1t was genuine? A. No, Q. Were any bills Kept in these pizeonholes except those that hau been paid? A. No, sir. Q. How many of these billa were stolen? A, 2,000 or 3,000 district bilis and vouchers, Cross-examined—Q. How long have you been tn the Comptroiler’s OMce? A. Thirteen or fourteen years. Q. What posiiion have you he:d before your pre- sentone’ A. I was bookkeeper. Q. And you were transferred from that to your present position? A. Yes. Q. Was im conseqnence of your predecessor's death that you took tis position? A. Yes. I took it on the death of Mr. Watson, Q. What bookkeeper hau you been? A. A couaty bookkeeper in that department, Q. Did you Keep oue of these books in which you Say these distinct entries were made as to the con- tents of bills aud checks? A. Yes, sir. Q. When did Mr. Watson die A. He dicd 30th January, 1571. Q Aud you held the oflce from that time untit May, and then you received a formal appointment ? A. Yes. Q. When before the 9th September did you fast have these parcels or packages that you spcak of in your hanas? A. [ cannot teil. Q. Do you remember that you had any of these Missing bills in your hands on the 9th September? A. No, sir. Q ‘Gan you swear of your own knowledge thar any of what yoweall these missing bills were im the Office on the 9 September? A. ‘The packages were ‘all there in thelr places, Q. Cau you swear to that positively, of your own knowledge—what looked like packages might of course have been there? there. Q. You can swear to that; did you examine them on the 9h? A. 1 do not’ recollect making ang special examination. Q Do you remember having had them in your hands on the 9tt or the sth or the 7th, 6th or Sta? A. No, sir; I cannot swear to that. Q. Wil you swear that you, handled any of the documents that you assume to have been taken be- tween the oth and 11th of September since the Ist of Seprember? A. Yes, sir, What day will you swear any of them were there? A. TWo ov three days before the 9iv, or in the neighborhood of the eth. Q. What day do you Mx it? A. I think I went there; [had occasion to go there and look at some of them on the sth or 9th. Q. Was it the ‘th? A. 1 can’t say positively the date; either the Sth or 9th. Q. Was it not before the sth? the 9th, Q. Why do you think so? A. Because then I had occasion to look at some of the papers. Q. What time of day was it? A. | think it was in the morniag. . Q Whathour? A, That I cannot remember, A. L think it was Q. How Jong before you left thatday?’ A, It was ju the forenoon, J think. Q. What hour did you leave that day’ A. About five o'clock, w Q. Was bd yourusual hour of leaving? A. Yes. Q, State the mark outside the package you ex mined? A. Ove was ‘‘Armories and Drill Rooms. Q Any other? A. Yes, sir; “Adjusted Claims” ana ‘County Liabilities;” 1 do not remember any oters, q. For what years? A. '69 and ‘70. Q. Each year? A. Yes. Q. Were tne accounts under each of those names for 69 and 170 in the same parcel or tu ditierent packages? A, They were in different packages, Q. Then you examtned two packages of each for d 70? A. I may have got out three or four packages. Q. Were the same accounts for noth years pnt Into one package? A. ‘They were separate; each year makes 4 package; there are a number of pack- ages for each year. How many packages for each year? A, Each year would fill twenty or thirty pigeon-holes, elgh- teen inches sqnare and ten inches deep. Q What portion of those things did you go over? A. Three or four packages, Of each title of ee A. Each year, yes, . You are certain of that? A. Yea, How 'y of those packages «id yon examine? A. Probably in those two years there may have been thirty or 2) Bag snl J examined perhajs three or four to get what 1 wanted. Q. How were they marked on the outside? A, I examined one that had “Armorios”’ on It, and one “Adjusted Claims” —I think that was a title hy ttself— and one on ‘County Liabilities; I think there were | two packages each of ‘Adjusted Claims” and “County Liabilities; I consulted these and got out tie votichers that I wanted, Q How many packages con ected with armories any drillrooms did youexamine’ A. One in each year. om How many ad/usted claims? A. One tn each $ Ané connty Hapilities? A. One for 1879. } How many vouchers in the package of the armories accounts did you see? A. I saw them ail; I do not know how many there were-about ¢ oD. Hew m 1 AT }. How many oid you go over . T found quite & number of what I wanted; 1 did not.go over way of them; I simply touk Wu@ Voucher; 1 examined a voucher for arm ries. Q What was ii that voucher you examined? A. Tt was a bill made out for repairs to armories. Q. Where? A. 1 do not know where, Q by whom? A. Keyser & Co, Q. Were you directed to search for it that day? A. The Comptroller told me to look for it. Q. Do you remember the amount of that particniar account? A. Ido not, » Did you give it io the Comptroller? A. Yes, I Q. Did you see tt put back? A. Ye, ie you put it back? A. Yes, slr; 1 put it veh Q When did you put it back? 4. Lputit back In Its place yesterday, Q. Then tt was not there to be stolen between the Oth and Lith? Ay No, sir. Q. That account you gave to the Comptroller on the 9th of September and it was put back In 11s place yesterday? Yes. ¢ a you examine any other account? A. No. ‘A. Yes, sir; they were | | ber a few weeks, abou! 2 A. different packages; 1 actor mt A, Several packages: exactly kiow. . ie tod you to gotthatout? A. The Comp. @ Are tnoy baok in thetr plage? A. Yes. A. Q. In the package of ad usted accounts how many vouchers did You Took out? A, (ive or six. .Q Did you give them to the comptroller? A, es. it They are not missing? A, They are all put aok, - Q. How manv adjusted accounts for 170 did you gocver? A, That L cannot teil; tigre were sous of '69 and some of '70; those that 1 got out I gaye to Mr. Conaolly, and they are not nitssing, Q. Now we come to county liabilities, For the year ’69 how many accounts for county habi ities did you go over? A. I won't be certain waether any on tiis head were taken or not, Q. But any accounts that ¥u actually fingered are now in the oflice and have been returned? agi Imay have becn mistaken about the tities ry ‘hem, : Q. Did you examine any of tiese ¢ other peoeenie in Gitferent packages otjer sone oan writa reference tg (hol ater and handea to Formntronier? a. T titik i ie were, _&, ene tose are vd aay decounts that you can Swear were original accounts, as being ther¢ gu this occasion? A, Yes. Q. Those you saw—are Fon gure that they are, original documents? A. Yes. Ts 1 ie Q. You do not koow tac signatures? A, They are the original documents in tne ottice, Q, But do you know of your own knowledge that they are original? A. Yes, sir, Q, How do you know that? A. By the style and form of them. ie Do you know them in any other way? A. No, air, Q Can you swear of your own knowledge that any other of CT in these dMfferent packages ai you ex: were original documents? A. 0, sir, Q,. Did you go over any of them other than those that you took out? A. Ido not know that I did. Q You do not know, then, the actual contents of any paper except theav you took ous and handed to Me GOADOUye - A. Yes, sir; [know that they were ere, Q. Did you take up accounts against any other Persons than Keyser & Co? A. NO. Q. bo you know why these accounts were called : for on that day? A. Mr. Connolly wanted them. Hk a Keyser was in the ofice, wasn’t he? A. es, sir. Q. Do you remember to have heard him charge 1 that accounts tiat were rendered according to the ! papers were not his trae accounts? A. No, sir, Q. What transpired there that rendered this pa- | Per that you got necossary to be seen? A, Mr. Con- i Dolly wanted a copy of them, » For what purpose? A. Ido not know. But Me. Keyser was there oatuat dav? A. [ think he was, Q. Did you hear any conversation that took place aoe him and the Gomptrolier on that day? A, (0. Q. Who else was present in the room? A, I think Mr. Storrs was there and some other gentlemen | that I did not know and tha i have not seen since, Qe In what room did you nana these instruments | to Mr. Connolly? A. Ido not Know that | handed them to Mr. Connolly (hesitating and stammering); he sent for me to get them out and have a copy made of thom, Q. Teli me what you ata with them—to whom aid you give them? A. Toa clerg in the ofice, Mr. O'Connell. S Who told you to give ir to him? A. The Comp- ‘ troller, Q. You are certain of that? A, Yes. . Whatfor’ A. To get a copy of them, . Was Mr. Ingersoll in the office thatday? A No, sir, Q. Who did you leave in the office when you went away? A. ido not remember; I think the janitor was there. Q. At what time did you get thereon Monday morning? A. I should think aout ten o'clock. 3 Q. Who was the irst person, you spoke to? A. Mr. Carroll, 1 think. Q. Did ne tell you about the robbery? A. I do not think he did; Léaw that there was a robbery; [do hot thing the idea of @ robbery entered my mind in looking at the door; 1 thiak somv one told me about it, Q. How many pigeonboles wero emptied? A, About thirteen, Q. What bulk would thirteen pigeonnoles full of papers make? A, Tue papers would fill more than } One bushel basket, but Dot more than two. bar | Q. How long would it take to burn that amount | ol papers ia a kilchen range—coulu it be done, do | you think, i from thirty to sixty minutes? A, 1do not uuak it could, Q. Was this mark of prying off the lock plainly discernable—could anv person see It easily’ A, The mark was between the leaves of the door, might under the Moulding, near the top. ‘The jimmy. was introduced between the outside Ane Apion doce A. ae the wood a little; the jock had been burst oif. Q. Was the lock protected on the outside? A, On the outside the keyhole on'y was visible; I thiak the lock ou the Inside Was sunk into the door, so that the side of the lock was flush with the side of the door. Q. Was tt an ordinary lock? A. Yes. . Was it.easily fitted—was the key a common . one? A. The key was nothing extraordinary; It was a stoel key with ordinary Wards, such as can be easily fitted, Q. You do not know whether tt was opened with akey and the doors tampered with afterwards so a8 to give the appearance of a vurglary: A, it looked us if it had beea forced, . Who else had keys to that door besides your- seify A, The clerk and Mr, Connolly. Q. Atier the siatements in the papers about the alleged peculations upon the city, did it never strike you as a@ matter of prugence that these documents ‘ nt Lo be placed in a safer place of cuswouy? A. ro WAS @ Watchman there ail the time. | Q. But no extra vigilance or physical precautions were taken to guard tiem? A. No. i Were there any tron safes in that office? a. 3, Q. Was there anything to prevent these vouchers being put in that safe? A. There was no room for then. | “Q. is this an tron safe detached or built into the | balding? A. Detach Q. ‘The ast ume you saw the vouchers was afer the injunction proceedings? A. 1 think it was, Q And you knew now important they were, in view of the charges made? A. Yes, sir, Q. And knowing that no means were taken to j Make their Keeping ihore secure’ A. Yes, sir; the TOOU Was never left alone, Q, Were you there on Sunday? A. No, sir, Q. Was the glass brokem or cut? A. I do not know; I did not examine it. Ke direct by District Attorney Garvin:— Q. Were there any marks on the sides of the door of these closets? A. On three of the places, q. In reference to the place where these packets were kept, Was the bot shut forward as if it had been locked? A. Lt was pried open. . As lar as the bolt was couceraed it was broken right out’ A. Yes, sir, Q. Du you make all the bundles up about the same thickness? Yes. Q. About what thickness were these bundles? A. About eight or nine inches. 2 Q. About how many of these vonchers did you takeout? A, There might have been a dozen. Q, Dna you keep all the rest back? A. Yes, sir, « Q. Inthe same place? A, Ye: ‘e Q. Were pigeon holes of the rest of the closets un- disturbed? A. Yes, sir, i Q. Were the whole taken away? A. A portion of 1800 an‘ @ portion of 1870; (he major part was ter so many of 187 Q. entical closets were kept the original bilig/ A. Yes, sir, Q. Whenever a vouciter was put away It was put away Unere? A. Yea, 6) WESvIMONY OF WATCHMAN MURPHY, William Murphy, the night watchman, gave sub- stantially the same evidence as that which was bub- Hshed in the HERALD yesterday as his affidavit, tn. addition to that already sworn to he said that a cierk named O'Connor was work in the Con troller’s oftice until ten minutes to two on the morn- ing of the robbery; be was in the County Bureau; there was nobody eise there but him; afver letung him out I went right back into the office; witness left abont six o'clock in the morning; there was a watchman in the Chamberlain’s office; during the night of Saturday and the Sunday morn- ing cf the robbery he went to sleep in the County Bureau for @ couple of hours. Witness here described what he saw when he went on duty in tne evening, all of which has already been pubjished; he reported the to Mr. Regan; about nime o'clock on the Sunday morning of the robbery, he saw Mr. ty. Q. What did you see him do? A. suepen Ga up stairs; he stumbled, and he let dome papers fi trom his arm; I saw him pick the papera up; I can- Not tell what description of eet ORE et dad Rot see them; they were ied up; 1 could not Swear what papers they were; {Witness ere’ desorived that ‘Hagerty “ad. lis arms stretched out, with the papers resting upon them, as he (Hagerty) went up atairs,) He con. ciuded his evidence in chief by giving particulars of ® his couversation with Hagerty’s cook. . In crossexamination he said:I live in the wenty-first ward; he was not a member of ex- Shertf O’#rlen's Association; I am & member of the ee ein Mcor ara fay ward; a fg now when organized; been Sree mes oe organization about two mont & Are you one of the genticmen who was to get vis up, morlster meeting? ee ed istrict Attorney GARVIN—Your Honor, has ally. | thing of this to do With this examinauon ¢ JuDGE—I cannot see how it has. | gaara Aaa 1870, What accoupts did you examimc? A, ; Be ubaB—Well, perhaps the shortest way is to let tt fo on. ‘ DISTRICT a ne say it is a crime, The Jvvgs—That what we are here for, [am here for two things—vo discover if a crime bas been peg and to ascertain if the suspected parties are guilty, 6." Dia'yon subscribe any money? A. No, , ‘the witness was here cross-¢xamined as to hig conversation with Mary Conway, but his evidence Was not shaken, TEBIIMONY OF BX-DEPUTY COMPTROLLER sToRRs, Richard M. Storrs, Jate Depaty Cour and examined by’ District Aitorney Garvin chors were arranged under diferent heads, “appropriations,” “Drill Rooms,” “aalaties,"* &c.; the vouchers contained a stavement of the duils put in by parties, With atliavits cerufying that such and such work had been done; the first time I knew of tho robbery Was almost nine o'clock on morning; the janitor informed me; Lex amined the door, and saw the glass broken; the » paper was not on it at that time; the cupboards had > eon broken open; I was at the ofice on Sunday morning, avout haif-past nine o'clock, and every- thing was right then, Urvaweexamined by Ggunsel for defoned The giage