The New York Herald Newspaper, November 13, 1870, Page 4

£ | sre seem ame os STATE AND CITY POLITICS, (A Review of the Field of Action from a New Standpoim. Clearing Away of the Smoke of Battle—Tho Stato of Parties at the Opening of the Campaign—The Split in tho Democratic BRanks—The Angel of Destruction— Tho Radical Party and Their Quondam = Allies—~A Blissful Joke—Tho Fenton and Conk- ling Figh:—Tho Presi- dential Campaign. Now that the smoke of the battlefleld is cleared off and the result of the late struggle ts apparent to all, it may be proper to take a retrospect of the parties before and on the very eve of the combat. ‘There were many circumstances and tendencies in- Muencing the result which, in the remoteness of their occurrence, might be naturally overlooked, but which will bear reference in their various connec- tions to the great finale of the campaign in tne city and State on Tuesday last. THE SPLIT IN THE DEMOCRATIC KA) The first event in the order of time, as it was first 4n its consequence, was the disruption of the unity and harmony that had previously prevailed in the ‘Tammany ranks, It bas alyays been a cardinal point of faith with the rank and file, while tt has Deen no less a point of honor and self-preservation ‘with the leaders, that all and every attempt at seces- Sion or treason was to be punished with expulsion from the party—that 1s, that the offenders should be read out ofthe Wigwam, and the place tfiat kuew them in primaries, caucuses and conventions should know them no more forever, ‘There have been occasions when this article of Tammany party faith was not rigidly lived up to; but, as exceptions only go to prove the rule, the exceptions in these cases must likewise be so accepted. hus the Mozart chieftain and some lesser lights, the reputed leaders of the Demo- cratic Union-Coeper-Iustitute-Citizen’s Association parties, were by force of circumstances recognized after various campaigns, nominated by Tammany and elected to office. But this was only (ier such recantation and confession of their grlev¢ oTeuces as were acceptable to the Sachems we priests of the Wigwam. ‘These hostile p» fought to a great extent outside of ty ‘ove for success sometimes witp © arms, rm hey wer umbers Bycu Na recog- nized as partleSin the community, and Bence their subsequent return to the Tammany fold and their election to offices through Tammany votes, THE FOX-MORRISSEY-LEDWITH PARTY were of a different calibre ef men, and no repentance or public recantation they can make will absolve them of their political offences and transgressions. Thew first falling off ‘smelled rank in the nostrils” of the chiefs, more particularily as their hostility was directed against the new City Charter, which bad been drawn up with such thorough care and statesmaniike ability that to-day the citizens are enjoying many of its blessings, in parks enlarsed and beauttfied, in improved docks aud inarkets, and mm a well devised scheme of city government that promises other and more substantial benefits in the future. The more respectabie members who allied themselves te the scalping knife and gouging deino- cratic party mm the first inciplency of secession speedily withdrew from tie fate that but too surely tareatened it from the rst and thus escaped the wrath of THE ANGEL OF DESTRUCTION that swept over the Assembly the night that the hay- loft and huckieberry charter met its just and inev!- table doom. But there were men stili connected with that party, men who yet clung to the insane idea that tue people of the great Empire City of New York this tmpertum in tmperto—could be so de- luded as to support a political demagogueism in their midst—which would assuredly have brought down upon them more deplorable scenes and conse ueRces than those which marked the progress of the draft riots, incited by these very would-be leaders. Threughout the summer tney fought tt out on tuat Jine, but they witnessed their Sedan on ‘Tuesday last in an overwhelming defeat at all points of their line. THE RADICALS AND ‘THEIR QUONDAM ALLIES. After lengthened secret negotiations, but which were duly chronicled tn these columns, the leaders of ghe radicals who would, have purchased victory with dishonor—if victory could be secured at any price— and the Fox-Ledwith-Morrissoy men found they could not harmonize, and their schemes and plot- tings, like the counsels of the wicked, came to naught, The effort, however, was long main- taimed, and the leaders persisted till they found out mea °° clearly ne the masses on whom they e ted were not to Le sold. A good lesson, which uy be of benefit in the future, has been taught in ois campaign. Republicans true to their princi- ples, no more than democrats, are the slaves of leaders, The men of both parties have proved that they cannot be led by the nose to the ballot box like sheep to the shambles, and toere be sacrifed to the ambition or cupidity of those who profess to be thetr leaders. And so we Ledwithites thus found their last prop knocked from ander them. ‘Tnesday’s fight hes resulted gioriously fer the party of law and order, Throughout the day peace and quict prevailed at all the polling places, without excepuon. ‘The eigit thousand special marshals, Who were sworn in as conservators or the peace and Une purity of the ballot, were not needed and in no one instauce Were they called upon to in- tervene for the purpose for which they were thus “marshalled.’’ THE ASSEMELY FIGHT. It is not yet Known which party will have the pre- ponderance tn the Assembly. ‘Ihat preponderance cannot, however, under any circumstances excee' one or two for elther party. The great “counting” contest tu this city is over the Seventn district, between Twombley, repub- and Carey, democrat. If “Twombley is “counted to” that’s “one better” for the republicans If Carey a dew for counted in ail the better This is Bunsby’s calcu! less, like the old ora e 1s another phase of the figotin (ulton and Hamilton counties as between the republican aud democratic candidates, in which it was reported late last evening that Mortimer Wade, republican, was counted in by three votes. Tuat ‘with the other republican fortunate contm- gency would make two better for the repul ‘Tue Scrutiny in the votes was never so severe or searching. 1t would seem as if the democrats cared | but iittie for the success of their State ticket if they | fail to secure a majority tu the Assembly, and tue | republicans are appar ly willing !0 overlook their defeat in the gubersatorial contest if they beat the | democrats y the Ass mbly. It ts a very pretty tight as itis, but our later despatches to-night will no doubt herald the result to ail the parties concerned. THE ASSEMBLY SPEAKERSHIP. What sort of a fight, if any, will there be over Speaker of the Assembly it would be now preia- ture to say posilivety, and here our friend Buus by again comes in, AS We said before, the majority 1s sUill in the balance, wavering between the democrats and the republicans. Should wie latter win, then, of course, the of the rural districts will Gestre one of th , and of thew party, for that } important position. event, the rural | democrats will ask that the selection be made from one of themselves. in either event, however, a strong effort will be mude in favor of James Nel- son, democratic member frou: Rockland county, on | the part of the Tammany chiefs— ‘What drugs, what charms, What conjurations and what mighty magic Peter Bismarck Sweeny may employ to carry on un end that it appears ts desired, and which 18 ex pected to operate on the republicans, may be left wo fature discovery. Should the controlling voice in (he matter Mr. Neison pears io sland a good chance to win, But polit claus are mighty once: to-day lo-morrow is naugl A GLANOK AT REPUBLY The one possible Collector of © . though feated, is not conquered. He comes it oF the tight only “second vest’? to be Bure, bul that was to be ex- pected irom the disorganized Masses taat ackno ledge him as leader and that he led to the encounter, He has so far triumphed, however, within his party that he clatins to be the conirolling power oi ti State Republican Com , aud for ali clical purposes also of the di ta membre of the city re- publican organization. He, theretore, stands out as < POLITICAL FINESS A salient object Ol atiack to lis party foes, Attacks have been made upon him, buat — princi- pally from @ quarter he can now alford to despise, That political sorecuead and ex-place nolder Waldo Hutcolus is more emphatic than elegant in his denunciauion of the jocund Collector, whom the other day he culled a * dammed rascal.” To account for the ancient place-holder’s exaspera- tiow at seeing the Collector's present strong position in the party it is only necessary to recount a litte waif of un anecdote that 1s gomg the rounds of the | streets at Wis Lime, and characterized as ** a BLISSFUL JOK It appears that Waldo, who has been In Europe much of late, and, as he nuagines, advancing the cause of the Orleauists to power In France, was on his mission at the time of the coniirmation of the Collector by the Senate. |t at the same time entered tne cranium of George Buiss, that political marplot en petit, to have @ joke at the expense both of the avseat Hutchins and the present Murphy; and one evening he read to a party of political chums a pre- tended despateh, by cab, ‘om the former, in which the repul armily congratu- lated at the nom! d conarilstien oh ing. latter ag Collector of the port. Of course utenti was tndignant when iniormed of the “blissful” ey and ne loges an opportunity of deciaring how incapabie he was of ever penning such « dis patcn, at the genial Collector ¢ajuys ib with great n, and that which appears | NEW YORK HERALD, SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 13, 1870.—IRIPLE SHEET. gusto, and laughs at Hutchins’ inaignant denials of the little yines*e prayed upon him, st THE FENTON AND CONKLING INTERESTS, There 18 @ very decided movement against some of those tn office who have made themselves obnox- tous to the ar ali powerful Senator Fenton, ‘The politica! guillotine will be set up one of these days and # pretty general decapitation take place. Couk- ting bas proved himself incapable to lead, and the @eneral whe was determined to Hight it out on that line if it took him all summer, and who dtd tt, is not the man to leave important work in imbecile hands. In fact, Fenton almost “rules the roast."” He alone can reduce democratic majorities in the State and Place the republican vote in tho Assembly para- mount for the election of @ Senator two years hence, He has yet his five years to run, Conkling bis last two only. With this power at his back he can afford to fight it out on his own line another summer or 80, waee another Appomattox surrender must be the result. In the near approach of a Presidential campaign these questions loom up of great rmportance, and that party will act wisely who first propares to mould them to final success, SHARP'S FLATS. Uncle Sam and His Deputy Marshals at Loggerheuds—Work Complote But Pay Not Forthcoming—Who Isto Pay ¢ A fortnight ago thousands of mon swarmed in and out of the United States Court building, do- strous of being sworn in as deputy marsbals and supervisors of election; but now that the election has passed, and without the necessity baving arisen for any active movement on the part of the specials, they crowa the corridors and rooms of the federal building in order to demand thelr pay for services rendered. Yesterday the entranco and halls of the courts were crowded and blocked up by these STUKDY-LOOKING APPLICANTS from nine o’clock in the morning until five o'clock in the afternoon, The Marshal’s office was the priz- cipal object of attack. Fariyin the forenoon about fifty of these worthies entered the inner oMice adjoin- img the private office of Marshal Sharpe and de- manded to see the “boss,” or any one who would be Kind enough to act as boss pro fem, and pay them their money. The Marshal was promptly informed of the demands made upon him, but instead of according his visitors an interview, he shouted through the doorway to one of the ofMfetals that he could not then attend to them; that matters were not arranged sufficiently, and, im any case, NO MONEY WOULD BB PAID through that omice, and a regular deputy was tn- structed to make this announcement and turn the disconsolate speciais out into the corridor. This statement was made and the parties were uncere- moniously ordered “outside.” But this was the signal for a graud acclamation, and invectives were heaped upon the head of the unfortunate Marshal with such earnestness that probably would have shaken his equanimity 48 well as deranged his ge of digestion for seme weeks hence nad he eon within eaurstot, The Marshal wouid proba- bly bave been te reverse of grateful for the extraordinary wishes oxpressed on his bebalf, and less thankful for be offer of certain warm quarters mentioned tn the Athanasian Orced to which they consigned Luin, A prominent Fourteenth ward man nourished the ciu with wiuch he had been pro- vided for the purpose of assisting him to ‘sustain’ the law, and SWORR BY All. THE BOOKS of the Koran that they wouid either “pay or be paid.’’ In this he was well seconded, and at once ent in a polite message to the oMicials to come out and try “the game,” No respense being received to tis inspiring invitation they swore and marched up and dewn the halls like 80 many disap- pointed tigers. The ‘“‘gemmen ob color” were more vehement im the mode of making their claims than their pale-faced brethren, demanding Insome instances as much as ten dollars a day trom the day on which they were commissioued up to the present time. They are all “determined to be paid,’’ bat, as there was no arrangement made with them as to What remuneration they were to receive, they are in a fog a8 lo whom they shall apply for the money. As one of the Commissioners was passing down the stairs ‘brea! from the Circuit Court he was buttonhoied by a member of the deputy marshal fraternity, who cailed upon him to “siand,” stating at the same time that he recognized him as the party who had administered the oath of efice to him, and consequently he should require payment from the same source. “Well,’’ said (he Comumiis- stoner, “{ HAVE NOTHING WHATRVER TO DO WITH YOUR MONEY. It was part of my duty to swear some of you in, but beyond that 1 Know nothing about it.” “ The divil you don’t!” roared his antagonist; ‘if you giv aman work shouldn’+ you pay him afthert” and here Pat spat upon nis hands and rubbed them to- gether in the most pugilistic manner imaginable, and, clinching his fists, said, “Now pay, or Ll, Vl—yes, be jabers! I'll take it out of you.” Fortu- nately the mun was drunk, er he would have been sent to Ludlow street for this. No money was paid yesterday, and late in the afternoo®,Marshal Sharpe stated that whatever money they were to get would be sent to the office of their respective chief deputies, and when the money was optained from the Treasury a letter would be sent to cach man in- yp asa) hin where to apply for his portion of it. ere A NEW DIFFICULTY presents itself to the Marshal; there has not been an order sent to the Sub-lreasury to supply the means, because the democratic members of Congress have threatened to make the federal oficiais refund all moneys abstracted from tne Judic‘ary fund and ap- phed to this parpose. It appears that the same backwardness las been displayed by this depart- Ment regarding the payment of the men who were engaged upon the work of collecting the returns for the census, numbers of whom, finding the inconve- nience of the deiay mm the settlement of their clauns, sold them for 4 iew cents, and left the amounts due to be collected by others. 1t might be a serious mat- ter for Marshal Sharp, and his colleague, the Elec- tion Commissioner, if these eight thousand depu- tues were to proceed to Caamber sireet en masse and demand their money. ‘hey might probably “RAZ” THE BUILDING tie authorities did not succeed in “ralsing the wind.’ There is a veil of mystery covering the whole affair. One offictai states that their comunissions were so worded that they bound themselves to work for the government voluntarily, and that the time has expired as mentioned In tiese commissions, and the men are now all discharged. Another states he believes the men were to receive two do.lars for each of the registry days and the election day. others again contend that the law contains no pro- vision whaiever as to the pay of the challengers and deputit ‘This latter seems to be the correct view, as there is certainly no specitic mention made regarding their remuneration. Ali the men expect payment, however, and want to know why they should be calied upon to give up them time and spend their money in order to catch repeaters with- out belng paid for it; but, as is usually the case aiong men of this class, a great deal of nonsense and puff permeated through their conversations | without their knowing actually under what condi- tious they were engaged. A NE y STEAMSHIP LINE. Sterm Connection Between the Ports of New York and Brazos de Santiago. The necessity of steamship communication be- tween this port and the valley of the Rlo Grande has long been felt by the merchants and travelling pub- lic of both sections, and it is a wonder that some one of the many shipowners of the metropolis huve not long ere this opened thelr eyes to this fact and established a line of steamers between this city and Brazos de Santiago, the port of cntry for ail that portion of Texas bordering on the old Rio Bravo. Heretotore the only way of getting to tnat section has been via New Orleans, an expensive, | tedious and unreliable ronte—unreliabie because of the rigid quarantine which is always enforced aguinst vessels arriving at Brazos from | New Orleans during the yellow fever season; tedious | becanse of the bad condi ion of and the poor time wade upon the Southern railways, over which nearly every oue passes to get wo Now Orleans, and | expensive be of the extortion practised by the monopoly which exists between the inst mentioned | city and all ports south of tt on the Texas coast. | Knowing these things to be true, and fully appre- | Clating the mauy advantages which will accrue | both to themselves and the trading and commercial | public generally, Messrs. Woodhouse, Soutimayd & | iiud, of this city, have determined to take the fultiae tive in the matt 1 (ierefore will on next Tue: day, the 16th ist patch a steamer to Brazo: | Santiago, via Havana, with ght and passengers, ‘The Francis Wr easel designed tor this ser vice, has been recently purcliased by the ubove named gentiemen, ts comparatively new and is pecuiarly | adapted to (he route , as she is very strong, stanch and seaworthy aud is of light dranght, which is the rst thing to be looked to jn selecting a veasel for this trade, owing to the se: in any of the Texas barbors. during the latier part 0! United States Navy, in which sne ye a3 a gunboat until the surrender, after witch she was sold to private parties, She is 600 tons burden, is 169 feet long and 20 fect breadth of beam, Her draught of water ia § fect when loaded and depth of hold 2h feet. She has two powerful engines. The cylinders are of 26 inches, with 40 Inches stroke, and she bas @ surface condenser apd one tubular bolier which has a heating surface of 2,600 feet, She has uiso 66 feet of grating surfac and her coal bunkers are all iron. Tlere 1s & hoist- ing engine worked by steam from main boiler or donkey, She bas two propellers. Of iife preservers, lifeboats, hose, axes, buckets, pumps, &C., there La an ample aupply. ‘The cabin, which 13 very spacious and convenient, 4s on deck, as are also ali the officers’ quarters, and there are accommodations for 26 first class passen- ‘ea Captain N, M. Russell, who has been selected 9 A A boar of commander ore ae ae a 6 sats sacl running tpon thé same SL aA Ae He Weizhe 1s soon to sail, and as an accomplished sailor We has no supertor. COLLECTOR MURPHY. What He Knows About Politi- cal Farming. Vhe Republican Organization as It Was and Is. How Tammany Enuehred the Radicals in 1868-~A Small Matter of Six Millions, He Bolieves in tho Election of Grant for 2 Second Torm, end Doos Not Expect Decapi- tation—A Survey of the Political Field— Hard Hits and Honest Confessions. it having been stated that ta consequenco of the earthquake in the republican party Collector Mur- phy, the able and conscientious exponent of the policy of the administration tn this city, would be compelled to endure radical pressure for the pur- pose of compelling his removal frem the important oMce which since kis appomtment he has #0 worthily flied, a representative of the HeRaLp vistled the Custom House yesterday and paid his re- spects lo the Vollector. Mr. Murphy expressed a de- sire to afford all the information in his possession, and with this object in view politely bowed out several political deadheads of little consequence who encumbered his office. In response to the first question put to him he spoke substantially as fol- lows:— The UkRALD wants news and must haveit, It would be foolish to deny it, for it will get it any way; therefore whatever information is in my pos- session is at your service. To begin, then:—rhe first intimation I had of an intended assault upon me I learned through the newspapers. As far as I can ascertain it does not amount to much. In fact, I have ascertained that the reportfrom Washington, published in the papers, emanated from A JERSEY DEMOCRAT AND LOBBYIST of the Capitol, who, being filled with gall and shiv - ering with disappointment, wiuspered that He into the eager ear of @ newspaper correspondent, He had no foundation whatever for his absurd state- ment, and he knew it; but his bile had to have an outlet. He tried to control certain nominations in the Custom House; but, “nding that’ he could not, he was forced to retire discomfited. He is @ politl- cal nobody, and the public will soon find it cut. No, sir; E have no desire to lift nim into political promi- nence by mentioning his name, Revorrer—Very succinctly stated, “ir. Murphy; but was there no other foundation for the charges imyplicd in the complainis to which I have referred? Collector Murruy--Not that I know of. I have done my duty to the government and the party; kept clear of “entangling alliances’ and faitnfully carried out the wishes of the President as I under- stood them. It 18 absurd, sir, to suppose that we could, with a few weeks’ possession of one federal office, turn ito a pure stream the flowing current of political corruption and open a channel to power and preferment for THE WARRING FAQTIONS in this city. What could be done was done, but never at the expense of the people or in jeopardy of the rights and privileges of the merchants. ‘The machinery of the Custom House was not made sub- servient to any clique, though I myself and my subordinates enthusiastically supported the repub- luean ticket. RevorteR—Then, Mr. Marphy, you do not believe that your removal is contemplated by the President ? ‘The CoLLKcroR—Of that Lcan say nothing. Such @ step may be contemplated, but I don’t think so. 1 did not seek the position, and hundreds know it. 1 consented to act forthe party. Laugh at all insinu- ations against me. There was no occasion for my making & target of myself for all the little gunners of the party. I stood well in the ranks of the re- publicans and actively supported our present and next President, REPORTER.—Our next President, Mr. Murphy? You speak confidently, but doubtless from an accu. rate knowledge of the state of parties. Some expla- nation on the present chaotic condition of the GENTLEMEN WHO CALL THEMSELVES REPUBLICANS would be quite interesting to the general pubye 5, and, Mr. Murphy, the bulk of the population don’t care a shap whether republicans or democrats win the victory in these domestic rows if the laws are properly Fe aad the person is respected ana the science of public robbery 18 checked in its growth. ‘The CoLLECroR—Very well put, sir. But the people are always anxious to know how their ser- vants, the public officers, behave themselves. ‘The condition of the republican party in this State is owing to many causes, the chief of which is the in- fluence and money of Tammany. It is an orgaXiza- tion dangerous to our liberties, and if allowed to go on will assuredly work mischief in the republic. How have the republican party falled in tls elec- tion? A question that might be asked by a greea- horn and answered by another. In the irst place there was no organization. It was a party of splinters, @ combination of incongruous elements, antagonistic and weak. Behind therr foremost men was Tammany, tich with plunder, stroug and un- scrupulous. You laugh? Ir 18 NO LAUGHING MATTER forthe republican party. What has been done be- fore may be done again. And what was done ve- fore? The entire republican army in the Staie was solid out, bought up and vanquished. Whyy Be- cause of its rolenness. Here's a littie bit of politi- cal history. At this point the Collector closed his ¢ few moments, and when he opened tie Knowingly at the attentive reporter. Matters were quite interesting in the Legislature of 1868, be continued, and republicans were sanguine of fixing things lor the election that followed. But they forgot Tammany. Tammany, sir, may be de- tested, but shouid not be despised asa power. In the Senate of the Svate, in which J had voice, the future of the republican par discussed in caucus. We were greatly with claims from New York city, You understand ? Bills amounting to the enormous stun of SIX MILLIONS OF DOLLARS were presented for payment. They came in in shea!s, and the Senate was bewildered. Aiter some debate a board of audit was appointed, composed of members from botn political pariics, Alter a Jong investigauion three hundred thousand dol- lars of the six million doilars was ale lowed and ordered for payment. Jt then seemed that the claimants were sauisied, But then Tam- many showed its hand. Ia a few days a bill was rushed through the Legisia- ture giving the power to Comptroller Connolly to accept or reject all bills agaiust the city of New York. ‘The enure six millions of dollars were paid the parties claiming the same, the number of repub- licans In the Assembly grew beuutifully less and the 3 fora winked as olten State was placed in the hands of ‘iweed, Sweeny, Mall and Connolly. “YOU KNOW HOW IT IS YOURSELF, and Ineed not enlarge further. To paraphrase a famous saying, nothing 18 more damaging among a body of corrapt politicians than six milllons of dollars, except it be twelve miilions. Kow will the HERALD like that? Rerorren—The HERALD takes all 1t can get in the way ot news, Mr. Murphy. But why did uot the ubifans how! over this affair? COLLECTOR—T0 howl, as you display weakness. It was the p to Keep cool, and, taking advants of its adversaries, to checkm the republican party was po qisorganized and falling to pieces. dor REvon' er—Emigrate to Brazil. q ‘OL! be—A retreat was certainly the best polite: Our vest endeavors could only result in checking the democratic advance, From that time forward, sir, it was apparent that a@ reorge ti | of tue republican party in this State was a necessity. We had either lo acknowledge a Sedan or pre} jor a victory. We are now badly beaten, but not bad that, even with our imperfect organization, we Ce oi carry the State at the bext election. We nave, Would be to As I said, 8 for good; it was Waal could you MORAL FOROF ON OUR SIDI | and the weight of pupiic opinion. ‘ant is the | ciwolce of the American people for President in 1872, aud all the efforts of the small fry politcians in this | Section cannot shake that confidence. He 1s head aud shoulders above tl candidates named go far; his prestige is not to be oversiaughed by war | trieksters, nor is he likely tosufferin popular esteem ) by tho machinations of the few fat monopolists who | bleed the people of New York. It will be many, many years, slr, belore the services of Ulysses 3. 3 | Grant are forgotten by the nation, | GR 13 OUR NEXT PRESIDENT WITHOCT Dover. Rerorter—Thus, Mr. Murphy, is very instructive and highly entertaining; bat are we not departing from the question frat started? The COLLECTOR—Not at all. I presume that ques. tion of the Presidential succession 1s considered in certain quarters a3 attecting my position here, You , have now my opinion on the race tor the White | House, and know ail that { know apout local poli- ties. If you don’t, it is not for the want of persist- | ent questioning. Please remember this—I dia | net want to be Collector, and .f am rm to resign when asked by the ident; but until notifled by Grast that I no longer retain nis confidence [ shall hold on and do my duty, regardless of what captious critics and disappointed politicians may say. deere oa word more, Mr. Murphy. You sald (hat the republican party was to ve reorgan- ized? The Conrecror—And [ mean It. Who will head the movement is more than I can tell. I believe myself that the present organization should be vroken up, It has proved itself useless, WE WANT NO BISMAROK in our party; republicans cau Vhiuk, Can act for themselves. The difficulty, sir, is in the proper use and distribution of money. Tammany is wise in this; it does not throw away the people’s money, but appites it judiciously for its own ends. TI have been informed on most excellent authority that Tammany paid out $10,000 to each of the Congressional dis- trict In the State w secure the last clection, See the result! But they were tf a hard strait, and money had to flow like water, They cannot, I think, carry “4 THR STATE IN 1872, and thelr hopes for the Presidency are ridiculous. I sald, sir, that Grant would carry all before him; and just see if he don’t, ReroRTER—Then, Mr. Murphy, you arc not to be removed; you are tn perfect accord with the ad- ministration, and have faith in the future of the republican purty in this State? COLLECTOR—Exactly, sir. Good day. Rerorrver—Thanks, Au revowr, RELIGIOUS INTELLIGENCE Services To-Day. Rey. Charies B. Smyth will preach before the Ame- rican Free Church at Masonic Hall. Rey. G. A. Hepworth will praise The True Soldier of the Cross” this evening at the Church of the Messiah, Rev. Dr. McVicar will discourse at the Church of the Holy Light. Rev. David Mitchell wil hold forth at the Canal street Presbyterian church. Rev. Bishop Ames and others will deitver ad- dresses at the second anniversary of the Sunday school of the Corneil Methodist Episcopal church, Rey. Dr. Wedekind will exhort the congregation at the English Lutheran Church of St. James. Rev. Dr. Krotel will speak at the English Lutheran Churen of the Holy Trinity. Messrs. Diehl, Bungay and Gough will advise the Morning Star Sunday school. Rov. Dr, Westcott will tell about the “Harnest Christian” at the Free Church of Our Lord, Rev. 0. B. Bidwell will point out how ‘Christ is the truo toundauon” at the Seventh Presbyterian ehureh, fev. W. H. Boole and Rey. J. S, Haugh will give instruction at the Willett street Methodist Episcopal church. Rev. J. Kennedy, pastor of the Fourth Reformed Presbyterian church, will caution his hearors at the Harvard Rooms. Rev. ©. F. Lee will discuss “Knowing in Part’ at the Fifth Universalist church, Plimpton’s Batlding, Rey. W. H, Murray will dilate on the installation of Rev. M. Richardson as pastor of the New England Congregational church. This promises to be an ex- ceedingly impressive ceremony, as a number of clerical celebrities will attend, The new pastor will also preach. Rev. J. M. Pulimann will comment at the Church of Our Saviour, Rev. Dr. Rogers will dissertate at the South Re- formed church, Rev. C. 8. Hanmer and Rey. Dr. Ferris will con- sole their congregation at St, Luke’s Methodist Epis- copal church, Rev. W. H. Milburn will lecture at the Memortal church of Bishop Wainwright. Rey. Dr. Munienberg will expound at Association Hall this evening. ‘The doctrines of Emmanuel Swedenborg wiil be explained at Steinway Hall by Rev. EB. R. Keyes. ‘the second anniversary meeting of the Ladies’ Domestic Missionary Reltef Association of the Epis- copal Church will be hela this evening at Zion chorch. Bishop Potter will preside and addresses will be delivered by Rev. Dr. Dix and Bishop Clark- son, of Nebraska and Dacotah. Mr. T. J. Forster will dream before the Society of Progressive Spiritualists at Apollo Hall. Rey. Dr. Armitage will make some remarks at the meeting of the New York Baptist L, P. Association at the Fifth avcnue Baptist church. ‘rhe Rev. Alfred Young, of the congregation of St. Paul the Apostle (Paulist Fathers), will lecture this evening at the Church of St. Charles Boromeo, Brooklyn, on the subject “Why I became a Catholic.”? Another Christian Church. To 1H Epiror OF THE H#RALD:— In your “Religious Reporta”’ of Monday last I notice that you assert, under the caption of “The Christian Church,” that there is but one of this denomination in thts city or vicinity, of which Rev. Dr. Foote 1s pastor, I would beg to suggest a slight correction. ‘There is another church of this denomination in Greenpoint, termed “The First Cnristian Oburch,” which was founded some few years ago by its aA sent pastor, the Rev. Mr. Martyn Summerbell, & young man, who is working assiduously to build up @ church in which Christians who wish to be tree trom jealousy of sect and desire to worship God for the love they bear Him may tind a place to adore Him. A READER, A Religious Tilt About Women’s Rights. The Independent accuses the Observer of “raking in the mud like scavengers’? for words dropped by persons who have no right to speak for the women’s rights movements, The Observer rolls the sweet observation under its dignified tongue and remarks as follows upon women’s rights generally: — Let the doctrines of the Zndependent and of Mrs. Stanton become the ideas of the State and the re- sulting legislation will, of course, convert the mounity into something far worse (han the polygamy of Salt Lake City. It will rather resemble the Sand- wich Islands before the Gospel, where the caprice of each individual was the only law of marriage. It is the duty of all virtuous women to frown upon these enemies of marriage. ‘They are enemies of women. The poor lost sisters of shame are too often despised of women; but har- lots are not half so despicable as those women and men who teach that the marriage tie should be sundered at the caprice of the parties. Better lar for society to have no bond of marriage at all than to make it liable to be broken at pleasure. The Independent asks why, “like scavengers, wo rake in the mud for words droppea by persons who have no right to speak for the women’s rights move- ment.’? ‘© trust that by “raking” among its own utterances and Mrs. Stanton’s we have found those wito are entitled to speak for the movement. And we know that Mrs, Walker, who 1s called by the Independent **half crazy,’ said noting more irra- tional and licentious than the Jndependent and Mrs. Stanton and many others of the same school say continually, If Mrs. Walkeris half crazy te resb ought to be put into straight jackets, The King of Prussia and tho Society Islands. A Presbyterian clergyman in the South expresses the wisb in a private letter that “the King of Prus- sia would insist on the withdrawal of the so-called French Protectorate from the Society Islands in tho Pacific, which 13, in fact, nothing but a violent usur- pation and the imposition of a Papal yoke on the people, with exclusion of English Protestant mis- sionaries, through whose labors those islands had been converted from idolatry.” If this result could be accomplished, thinks the Beangelist, it would occasion rejoicing among friends of missions all over the world; and if an ef- fort in this direction promised any success we doubt not that the London Missionary Society woulé press the matter most earnestly with the proper authorities. A Brilfiant Golden Wedding. Rev. Joshua Leavitt, D.D., aud wile received their friends last Wednesday evening, on the occasion of their golden wedding, the fifticth anniversary of their marriage. Many of the best people of Brook- lyn and New York were present, and letters of con- gratulation were received from friends who could notcome. Chief Justice Chase sent a beauiful let- ter. Professor Charles E. West, on behalf of the Clerical Union, read an address and presented an elegant gold watch. Other presents of a costly and expressive character were made, and the testimo- nials of respect and esteem must have been in the highest degree gratifying to the venerable couple. ‘The foliowing 18 the text of Chief Justice Chase's let- vers— ARRAGANSET, Oct. 27, 1870. ace, mercy and peace attend the fiftieth anniver- sary of the wedaing of my old and dear friend on the lst of November. What hath God wrought in our land in this eventfal half century? How much of all the marvels which have distingulshed this period in respect to enfranchisement may be attributed to your own wise counsels can only be known to Him who ordereth al! things alter His owns u- preme wisiom? Tam aptto attach mnch value to them because they, in connection with the teachings of our iamented friend Batley. dit so much to form my own judgment and inspire my own etion. And let it never be forgotien that, if the country jae enotigh to accept the policy of denationaitza- wery and state enfranchisement, the war and ite alténdant evils might bave been avoided. But we have freedom, and nobody wishes to restore very. Let us be thankful for that, and let me indicate on this your golden wedding, by the gift of a golden American double eagle, what I think necessary to perfect the currency 49 exsential to the welfare of a free people and restore it to ts constitutional basis, My ill health obliges me to write briely and to use the hand of my daughter as an amanuensis; but [ could not let the occasion pass without tendering to yourself and Mra, Leavitt my congratulation on thia auspicious anniversary, wif will ao avon unite thoae who love tg do you houor, ‘Mokt affectionately and faithfully your friend, 8. P. CHASE, May The Length of His Chain.” Under the above title the Zvangelist (Presbyterian) exults 23 follows upon the recent change in the tem- poral affairs of the Pope:— ‘The Pope is not exactly in prison, but he 1s not out of prigon elther. He is allowed to travel, but he has nothing to do, except to let government alone. He is very uneasy, and manifesis @ strong anxiety to get somewhere else, to set up an independent court, Christ the Lord said, “My kingdom isnot of this world;’’ but the Pope, who pretends to be Christ's vicar, cannot subscribe to that. He knows very well that in the other world he will have no Kingdom, and he ia bent upon having it here, But it 100 late. ‘The thunderbolt has falien and the throne of Popery has been cast down, He who set himself up as God is now bound with the chain, and the lengti of it is shown In the very liberal conditions imposed by the Pope's master. Weekly Prayer Meeting. Tt has been well suggested that we ought t9 have in this city, at least once a week, a prayer mecting in some central church, in which pastors and people of ail denominations could meet and participate, It would bring fogstmer fits one accord in one place) a great Many who are longing for such a convert, and whose faith and love would be quickened by such communion, Among all the means of grace now enjoyed this would come to be reckoned as one of the most useful and delightiul, At this season of the year, when the time has come of greatly ine creased activity in religious work, such a meeting would be hailed with satisfaction by the Christian community, and we are sure it would be attended with nappy results, St. Audrew’s Sunday School. The Right Kev. Bishop Potter was engaged yes- terday afternoon 1n laying the corner stone of a new Sunday School building, which is to be in connec- tion with St. Andrew’s church, 127th street and Fourth avenue. The bisbop arrived at the church at three o’clock in the afternoon, and was preceded to the site of the new school by @ procession of the scholars ‘of the present school, carrying banners in- scribed with various Scriptural emblems, and sing- ing several hymns composed by the pastor of the church for the occasion. Arrived at the site the bishop deposited a numper of written documents, bearing his own and the names of the pastor, congregation of the church, architects, builders, &c., several reli- ‘ious periodicals and three secular papers of New Fork of yesterday’s date, including @ copy of the HERALD, and then placed the corner stone over them in its position. This being done the Bishop made a lengthy and appropriate address to tne large audience present, in which he exhorted them to goon with the good work they had begun, and even to endeavor to extend their fleld of operations beyond the confines of vheir own parish. ¢ build- ing, which is to be of brick, with stone trimmings, when completed will provide conventences for 600 scholars, piaial! Relisious Notes~Personal aed General. A lecture will be delivered at Cooper Institute this (Sunday) evening by Rev. D. Lynch, in aid of the funds for completing the splendid cathedral at Queenstown, Cork harbor, The structure stands prominently upon an eminence and looks down upon the ocean, across which so meny an emigrant bas taken hts hopeful passage w this country of freedom for all men and prosperity for the indas- trious of all nations. It is thus an object of historio as well as religious interest. The reverend lecturer has been deputed by the Right kev. Dr. Keane, the venerable Bishop of the diocese of Cloyne, to make this appeal to the citizens of New York, The subject of the lecture is a purely national one, aud we pre- sume that it will be very largely patronized. The cost of the cathedral when completed will be $225,000, Let it be remembered by all sound Christians that according to good Jonn Wesley, “a church in debt is in bondage to the world.” Then let the congre- gations of all churches that are in arrears “‘pay up.’” ‘The question now mooted by the Observer is the following:—‘‘Is Dr. Ewer a failure?” That's all be- cause Christ church has been sold for debt. A cor- respondent of the same paper wants to know whether Dr. Cooke is a failure because St. Bartholo- mew’s has been sold? He might have put the ques- tion more neatly thus, “You know how it 1s Ewer self.” Bishop Bayley, of Newark, visits St, Patrick's churen, Jersey City (late Bergen City) to-day to ad- minister tne rite of confirmation to 200 children and to lay the corner stone of the new St. Patrick’s church on Ocean and Bramhall avenues, head of Grand street. Societies from New York, Jersey City, Hudson, Hoboken and Elizabethport are to take part in the ceremony. A correspondent of the Boston Advertiser, writing from Rome, October 6, says the Jesuits have nearly al left the city, and, what is the more remarkable, according to the same authority, they took all their good clothes with them. ‘The Observer objects to the French Bazar Nation- ale because it 1s proposed to have lotteries or raffies during the display. 1t might as well object to drop- ping money in collection boxes topped the souls of sinners on their way toward salvation. “Square your yards and bring out your big guns.” ‘The Independent talks of ‘the Lord as a man-of- war.’? The Tablet says:—The Right Rev. Dr. Ryan, Bishop of Butfalo; tne Right Rev. Dr. Goold, Bishop of Mel- bourne, Australia, and the Right Rev. Dr. Shiel, Bishop of Adelaide, Australia, visited our city during the past week. Bishops Goold and Shiel left for their homes on Friday, November 4, via San Francisco, A layman in New York offers to maintain for a yeara Methodist missionary at Havana, Cuba, to preach in English and study the language of the people. David Corry, of Sparta, N. J., recently deceased, aged seventy-nine years, left $12,000, one-eighth of his fortune, to the Universalist denomination. Rev. Rowell D. Smith has entered upon a new fleid of labor in the bounds of the Presbytery of Jer- sey City. Rev. U. B. Guischard has been installed pastor of the Baptist church on Union avenue, Brooklyn. The King of Siam has committed to the Maha Uparat, or second king of Chiengmal, the care of the American missionaries ainong the Laos people, charging him to “assist, nourish and protect them, so that they shall no more suffer trouble and hin- drances from persecutions like those through whic they have passed.”’ ‘This is very Kind in the King of Siam. Now can- not the ladies in some of our churches get upa grand fair and present his Highness with some suitable testimonial for his kingly condescension ? Anumber of Spanish Christians have obtained license from the Portuguese Ministry to form them- selves into an evangelical church, with the recogni- tion and under the protection of the law, in Lisbon. A correspondent of the London Church Review says that the theological status of the Church of England clergy can be generally classified by their neckgear. ‘There are parsons with collars and cra- vats—these are, a3 a rule, Low Church; there are parsons with cravats and no collars—tnese are, a8 & rule, High Church; and there are parsons with col- lars and no cravats—these are, as a rule, Broad Church.” Rev. Charles S. Robinson, D. D., formerly of Brooklyn, and now pastor of the American chapel in Paris, has been called to the Fifty-filth street Presbyterian church in this city, from which Mr. Kittridge was recently called to Chicago. Rev. Moses A. Hoge, D. D., of Cincinnati, Ohio, pastor of the First Presbyterian church, sailed on Wednesday of last week for Kurope, for the beneflt of his health. His church have voted him a year’s leave of absence, with a continuance of his salary. The Southern Methodists and Disciples have ar- ranged for a grand debate, to begin vecember 13, in Louisville, Ky., and to last ten or twelve days. It will be the greatest debate ever held between them. Rev. Jacob Ditzier is the champion of the Metho- dists and Rev. L. B. Wilkes of the Disciples. Mrs. Rev. Dr, Newman recently delivered a lec- ture in Washington city on polygamy, in which she said:—“The first wife of Eider Pratt was abandoned by that worthy pillar of the Mormon Chureh, be- cause she refused to admit of other wives in her husband's household.” Rey. Charles Ray Paimer has been called to tne Presbyterian church tn Yonkers, N. Y., from which Dr, Seward recently retired. The orthodox Jews of a Baltimore synagogue have appealed to the Christian courts aud secured an injunction forbidding such unauthorized innova- tions in their ritual as the omission of the Hebrew prayers and the sitting of the men and women pro- miscuovusly together. ‘Three missionaries of the United Presbyterian Church sailed from this city for foreign fields last week, Their names are:—Rev. J. P. McKee and wile, assigned to Sealkote, India, and Miss Cameron, assigned to Alexandria, Egypt. Rev. John Gunn, for thirty years minister at Broad Cove, Cape Breton, died October 23, aged sixty eight. He belonged to the Church of Scotland, and” did good service on the isiaud of Cape Breton. Rev. Louts Lampman, of Coxsackie, N. Y., has ac- cepted a call from the First Preabyterlan church Jamaica, L. I., and bas been installed, ’ The Central Advocate urges the appointment of a dozen new Methodist bishops, who shall have re- stricted fields of labor, and shall be dependent upon their dioceses, and not upon the Book Concern. for thelr support. THE SLAUGHTER OF THE INNOCENTS The Case of Alleged Mal. practice, THE GEARY INQUEST. Tostimony of Drs. Hilton and Finnell; Auguste Lambe, Margaret Kenny and Thomas Look- up Evans on the Stand—What the “Dr.” Thinks about Convulsions— He Gets Muddled and is Held for Malpractice, ‘The inquest on the pody of Mary Elizabeth Geary, the particulars of whose death have already been published, was held yesterday before Ooronet Fiyon, Owing to the peculiar circumstances sur- rounding the case the proceedings were awaited with considerable interest. The notoriety which the prisoner has obtained through his alleged mal- practices at the “hospital” in Chatham street at- tracted a lyrge number of persous to the Coroner's office to get a glimpse of the “Doc tor” and his assistants. Some delay was experienced owing to the non-arrival of the person charged, but precisely at twelve o’clock ‘Thomas Lookup Evans, with Mrs, Dickenson and others, accompamed by Captam Kennedy, of the Sixth precinct, put in an appearance. Kvand was shabbily dressed and lookea much careworn after his night’s imprisonment. He seemed to be very nervous and immediately took a seat next hia counsel, Mr. Howe, Mrs, Dickenson, the nurse, is a regular Meg Merrilies in aspect and sat moodily in the corner, now and then casting meaning look all around. ‘whe following medical gentlemen were empanelled on the jury—Drs. filton, Finnel, Hogan, Mc- Ewen, Sweeny and Knox; after which the evideuce was adduced, as under:— TESTIMONY OF DR. HILTON. Joseph Hilton, M. D., of No, 174 Henry street, was the first witness examined. He satd:—I was called tosee the deceased at three o’ciock on the after. noon of October 31, at No. 94 Chatham stroet, second story; there were present Mrs. Shaughnessy, the sister of deceased, and a lady dressed tn dark clothes; her sister informed me she had been de- uvered of a chila that morning; I found her labor- ing under convulsions and in an insensible con. dition; the woman informed me that she had taken sick during the night and was cry’ng out for help; I asked who had attended ner; sie told me it waa Dr. Evans, 1 think she called him, Mr. Howe objected to what the witness heard, E wnation continued—I. asked who attended her in order to consult with the physician; she said he would not come and I would have to go to bia oMce; I went and asked him if he had attended her; the woman told me she had been coming te Evans’ for two months and getting medicine at ven dollars a bottle; Evans said he had had nothing ta do with her, that she had been takeo into his office in his absence and that he had reprimanded the woman for taking her because she had not paid the necessary fee in ad vance, according to the rule; [ don’t recollect the Woman's name; I wanted to see her, hat she kep: out ofthe way at the time; Lasked him if he had given ber any medicine; he sald “No, excep! some ttacture uf assafoedata;’’ I went back to the room an! fouad the woman, who said that Dr. Evans had atten ted tha deceased while sick; I told Mrs, Shaughnessy that 1 thought there were no hopes of her stster’s 1ecovery; 1 also told her I could not give a certificate of deatn, fnd | requested # consultation and sent for Dr. Fin nell; 1 went ut half-past five o'clock the next atver- noon and I found the woman iusensibie; arrange: ments were made to have an examination so soon as she would die; a post-mortem examination was made; we found that she had been laboring under convulsions. ‘The Coroner—What form of convulsions was sho laboring under? Pe esate Puerperal convulsions; she was delivered of a caild. Q. Did you ask him what treatment he had given her for those convalsions’ A. He said nothing but the tincture of assafoedata. ‘To Mr. Howe—I did not find any evidence of mal- practice; death frequently results from the disease exhibited by the deceased. The Coroner—Did you consider the treatment re- ceived by the deceased Wus proper beiore you had seen her? Ido not. TESTIMONY OF DR. FINNELL. Dr. Finnell testified as follows:.-[ reside at 132 West Houston street; 1 was called in consultation by Dr. Hilton to see the deceased on the evening of November 2, at No, 94 Chvtham strect; I found the deceased at that time insensible, breathing heavily and in a dying condition; I made a post-mortem ex- amination about twelve hours after the dcath in presence of Drs. Hilton and James Sweeny, Jr., and the body was in a dropsical condition all over, more particularly from the bin down; the womb presented the appearance of having receauly given birth Ww a child; there Were no marks of violence about the woman's person; the death was caused, iu my opin- ton, by puerperal Convulsions, Coroner—Do you consider puerperal convuisions always fatal? Witness—Sometimes it ts. Mr, Howe—But in this instance you did? Witness—Yes. Coroner—A great deal depends upon the treat ment? Witness—Y' it depends upon the treatment. To Mr Howe—Tne profes-ion ditiers widely in re- gard to the treatment of puerperal convaisions, To the Coroner—1l do not think the tinc.ure of assafwteda a proper remedy; value in this instance, ‘fo Mr. Howe—it is prescribed in all forms of hysterics. By a Juror—Q. In what condition were the kid- neys? A. There was no change perceptihie; all the other organs were in a healthy condition; chioro- form is a valuable remedy in convulsions i promptly used; it has saved many lives, rhe affidavit of the girl Ann ONeill relative to her treatment by the prisoner, which has alreauy been published, was here read and put in evidence, TESTIMONY OF AUGUSTA LAMBEL Augusta Lambe examined—I resided in Ilinots before I came to New York; | have been staying at No. 94 Chatham street, at Dr. Evans’ (meaning priso- ner); Mary Geary took sick on Sunday evening, Oc- tober 30; she complained of baving pais; she laid down on the bed at eight o’clock; she siept a title and then woke up, complaining very much; I slept in the same room; | woke up Mrs. Dickenson; the itiink 1 was of no weceased grad ually became worse towards five orale 3 She asked me If 1 aid now pity ne said 1 did, me that I eould not aH nef} shé finally yomiled some thing of a green color, after which she seemed a Jiltle better; 1 asked if 1 would send for her aunt, and she said, ‘Yes, for God’s sake; about eleven o’clock the following morning I went into the kitchen; 1 saw Mrs. Dickenson going to the deceased with a cup of water; | asked how Lizzie was, and Mrs. Dickenson sald whe chud was born’ and that she was going to give it a new baptism; 1 looked through the curtaing and saw that ehe had dressed the child very nicely, with a little white cap; Mary Geary came wo we house on Saturday night; she was pregnant when she came; Mrs. Dickenson attended her, and 80 did Dr. Evans when she became worse; I saw Dr. Evans golng into the rooim with a sponge and a basin of water before the child was born; I thnk the child was delivered on Monday morning; I was told to leave the room; Ann O'Neil washed the face of the deceased while the doctor sponged her; she was laia out on the bed: on Sunday; towards Monday morning she became worse, a3 if she were trying to Keep down her breath; I could not say how many limes I saw Dr, Evans going tnto the room of the deceasea; I was in the room alter the child way born; I became alarmed; I asked him to come ta and he said he would not, that tt was Mrs. Dickson's caso and that it was very wrong to take her into the house in bis absence; be offered to give me twenty- five doliars to pay for a doctor; Mrs. Dickenson acts as midwiie for the ladies that come there; | have seen about five ladies there since July; I came there for medical treatment; I was delivered last August; Tam not disposed to tell the Jury where the cnild 1s at present; Mrs. Dickenson attended me; Dr. Evans came in twice to see how ! was; J paid some of the money for services to Dr. Evans and some to Mrs. Dickenson—twenty-flve dollars to the doctor and ten doliars to Mrs. Dickenson; the latter boarded and the doctor attended;1 went to Chatham street tn Juiy; I did not receive any medi- cine from Dr, Evans nor did he perform any opera- tion on me; when Dr, Evans offered me twenty-five dollars to get the doctor for the deceased 1 did nos take the money, but Iran fora doctor; none came until Monday; she was in convulsions | all this time; told Dr. Evans that facts he was aware of the fact, but never came near the deceased; sie was in convulsions trom about half- past eleven on Monday; she died on ‘Tuesday might; her friends ree che ee ceca oe she was tn- sensible until after the bal To Me. Howe—I went to ‘br. Evans’ to be confined and not to have any abortion practised on me; I was notaware he did such things; 1 was treated pretly well and “mother and child are now doing well.” By the Coroner—Did Dr. Evans ever want to per- n ‘Operation npon you? A. No, sir. forth any PstI MONY OF MARGARHT KENNY. Margaret Kenny examiued—I live at Jamaica, and have been nee in New York since Monday morning, when I came to Mrs. Diekenson; I arrested in Stanton street; I saw the de bed in the honse No. 04 Chatham streo Evans in the kitchen and in his private ofice; 1 did not see him going Into the room of the deceased; I Went home 'o Jamaica cn Monday evening and ro