The New York Herald Newspaper, August 18, 1865, Page 1

THE NEW WHOLE NO. 10,581. THE FRAUDS. More Developments in Wall. Street and in the Courts, é FHE KETCHUM CASE. a « Bingular Amusement of Y,oung Ketchum in His Business Hours. ATTACHMENTS ‘AGAINST HIS PROPERTY. THE PRENIX BANK DEFALCATION. Genevieve Lyons and Charles Brown Before Justice Ledwith. Testimony of the Cashier of the Bank. THE EVIDENCE OF THE DETECTIVES, Jenkins’ Love for Genevieve as Exhibited in Court. STORY OF THE DIAMOND RI Sharp and Curious Letter from Rosa Allen. What are the Relative Rights of Outcast Women and Wealthy Bankers? THE MUMFORD CASE. STANDING OF THE ACCUSED AT HOME. THE EFFECT OF THE DEVELOPMENTS, ke, &e, ake. THE KETCHUM CASE. THE GOLD CHECK BOOK DISCOVERED SINGULAR BEHAVIOR OF THE DEFAULTER. No Clue to Young Ketchum’s Whereabouts,. Warrants for the Attachment of His Property, &e., &ec., &e. The business thoroughfares down town have resumed mach of their wonted tranquillity. The defalcation case may be casually alluded to, the names of the parties im- plicated may be uttered, but it is evident that the affair is no longer invested with those highly mysterious, and therefore interesting properties which bad, up to last evening, secured it the attention of all. Thus political ‘events of the first magnitude, transactions of the utmost importance, or crimes with details of a most absorbing mature are alike inquired into and anxiously discussed for a day and are then consigned to the tomb of oblivion. THE FINDING OF THE CHECK BOOK. The only new facts which could be ascertained yester- day were those relating t6 the finding of the missing check book ai Mr. Edward Ketchum’s house. Mr. Charles Gra- bam found the book in the possession of the defaulter's wife, and at once took possession of it, It was subse- ‘quently delivered to Mr. Morris Ketchum, who handed it over to the Bank of New York. The reporter was not allowed to examine the book, but it was stated that three bundrod and forty-five checks bad been taken from it. These bad been apparently selected at random. The first fifty were untouched, and the others have been cut from various parts of the book, While the defaulter was removing one of the checks he tore it; this one is signed Clark, Dodge & Co.. and endorsed Theo, Ward & T. H. Bunker, The signature» of (he first named frm are excellent; but those of the other parties area poor specimen of the forger’s skill, SINGULAR STATEMENTS. As is usually the case after the occurrence of matters of this nature, numerous statements have been made relative to the strange conduct of young ‘etcham for some time previous to the defatcation. 1: aid that of late, when seated at his desk and temporarily disen gaged, he would often be busy with he pen imi- dating the signatures of bankers and brokers, apparently without object or for the sole purpose of amusement. It is also rumored that when conversing with friends in the street be would absiract their watches from their pockets, immediately restoring the property, and con- sidering his exhibition of appropriative sleight of hand an excelient piece of pleasaniry, Now, and only now, it would , have those who have bad connection with the young man remembered the different occasions upon which bie behavior has appeared decidedly singular on the part of one 80 universally respected. THE FEELING YESTERDAY. Although the excitement has much abated, speculative and busines* men appear inclined to unusual prudence, and are oven somewhat mistruetful, as if the worst eflects of the @ailure of two prominent firms were yet to come The card publiehed by Morris Ketchum, Son & Co in yesterday's, Heracn was mach commented npon. The part relative to the ceseation of ali connection with Mr. Grabatn in February inet has been capecially discuseed, ang the conviction that Gra. ham & Co. have until now acted as agents of the fret named firm is so general that the formal assertion to the contrary is not’ wholly credited. The tenor of the card, it ip generally conceded, renders the case more mysterious and incomprehensible than ever. AMTACHMENTS AGAINST YOUNG KETCHUM’S PROP- ERTY. On the opening of the Supreme Court, in chambers, by Judge Sutherland, yesterday morning, Mesers. Mann and Parsons, counsel of David Grocebeck, agsignce of Charles Graham & Co, applied for aud obtained a warrant of at tachment against Kdward B. Ketchum, on the ground ‘that he was an absconded or concealed debtor, The ap Plication was granted on the foilowing atfidavit:— pavip a eh EDWARD Sante Groce fe and County of New York, #.—David Groesbec! she plaintin nore % y a b+ shat Pawar th Send duly Psy foe ~ po an ORK HERALD ant, ts indebted to the above named of one hundred thousand as depor an.d verily believes, and that the grounds of the plain- VP's claims are as follows, to wit:—That said defendant, on the 15th day of August inst., was indebted %o the firm of Charles Graham & oa, composed of Charles Graham and George W. Van in said sum of one hun- dred thousand dollars and upwards for money paid, laid out and expended by said Orm on or about the 14th day ey said August to and for the use of said Edward B. Ketchum and at hie request, and the Plaintiff further says that on said 16th day of August the aid Graham and Van Loan sold and assigned the said debt on demand for valuable consideration (o the plaintif, who is now the owner thereof. ‘And this deponent further says that the defendant has absconded and departed from this State, with intent to defraud his creditors, or keeps himself eoncealed therein, with lie intent; that said Ketchum, on said 14th day of August, after contracting large debts, and committing pumerous and extensive frauds and forgeries (as depon ent is informed and verily believes), suddenly absconded and left bis usual places of business and residence, and has remained absent or secreted ever since. Deponent is unable to state positively whether he has left the State, but is informed and believes that he has left it to avoid bis creditors and the consequences of said crimes, and gone to Boston DAVID GROESBECK. Sworn to before me this 16th of August, 1865—James Bevis Mercaue, Notary Public. The attachments number, it is reported, ten or twelve, and the Sheriff has seized the property of young Ketchum, at the corner of Madison avenue and Thirty- second stree t. THE WHEREAROUTS OF THE FUGITIVE. The detectives report that there is very little doubt as to the defaulter not being in Boston, He may possibly have fled to Halifax; but it is still more probable that he is at present secreted in this city or vicinity In a few days itis expected tbataclue to bis whereabouts will be obtained and a full explanation of the affair given by the fugitive himself, THE PHENIX BANK CASE. laintiff in the &am Ponent 48 infor med Genevieve Brower, alias Lyons, and Charles Brown in Court. Testimony of John Parker, Cashier of the Phenix Bank, and of the Detectives McCarthy and Devoe, INTERESTING DETAILS, &e., &e., &e. ‘The examination of Genevieve Brower, alias Lyons, and Charles Brown (the case of Jenkins having already been disposed of by his commitment to the Tombs to await his trial before the General Sessions) took place yesterday morning, at eleven o'clock, before Justice Ledwith, at Jef- ferson Market Police Court. John McKeon appeared for the prosecution, and ex-Judge Stuart for the prisone: The girl Genevieve and Charlies Brown were conducted into the court room in charge of an officer, and were as- signed seats in the rear partof the room. Genevieve presented quite a sad, downcast appearance, her close confinement in prison having evidently greatly affected her spints since she was first arraigned. Brown, to all appearance, presented the same impassive and uncon- cerned manner that have characterized him from bis first arrest. Several of the officers of the bank were present, and a Dumber of the members of the bar not immediately con- nected with the case, TESTIMONY OF JOHN PARKER, THE CASHITER. Jobn Parker was the first witness called by the prose- cution, and, being examined by Mr. McKeon, testified as follows :—~ Q. What is your position? National Bank. Q. How long have you been cashier of the Phenix Na- tional Bank? A. Since March 1, 1864. Q What was the name of the institution previous to March, 1864? A. The Phenix Bank of the City of New York. Q@ How long have you been connected with the ineti- tution under that name? A. Thirty years, or over—from twenty-nine to thirty. Q Was there a man by the name of Henry B. Jenkins employed in the bank? A. Yes, sir. Q. For how long a time? A. He has beep there as long as twenty years. Q@ Inwhat capacity was he employed during those past twenty years? A. In various capacities—receiving teller, and sometimes acting as paying teller. @ Since 1862 in what capacity nas he been employed? A. Receiving teller. Q Has he acted as paying teller during that time, from 1863? A. Yes, sir. Q What was his duty as receiving and paying teller? A. As receiving teller, to receive the deposits of dealers, and credit them to their account; as paying teller, pay cash and checks of dealere. Q Deposits of money, you mean? money and checks, or other securities. Q And in that way was entrusted with large sume of money? A. Yer, air. @. In the course of a year how much do you think he has been entrusted with? A. It is very difficult to tell. Q Millions? A. Yes, sir. Q@ Will you state, of your own knowledge, what you know about any of that money being embezzled and em- ployed for bis own use? A. I believe he abstracted and employed it for his own wae. Judge Stuart moved to have the answer stricken out, The Court—He can state if be knows it, aud bow he knows it. Witness—I know it from the fact of bis own admissions. Q@ What were those admissions’ Judge Stwart objected to receiving the evidence, upon the ground that whatever may bave been the admissions of Jenk they can only affect Domeelf, and not a third party. The rule of law is, that where two or more couspire and confed erate together, what one says tn the abseove of the other during the progress of a criminal enterprise does make evidence against the other; but after that criminal enter- prise 1 ended and the offence is consummated, and the parties are in the custody of the taw, then whatone co- detendant says i reepect to the other can never be used in evidence against him. In this case what Jenkins sald to Parker would affect himseif and would work bis convic- tion perhaps, but it cannot be taken in any degree to af- fect his co-defendants after the arrest. It was but hear. say evidence at best. It is not even that, but it i8 the confession of a co-defendant of hie own guilt, m which the names of others aro inai- rectly mentioned. More than that, these people aro not confederates with Jenkine. A confederate t* a part who joins and acta with another in respect to some of- fence. The crime of Jenkins was a tarcony or an em- bezzloment. These people had 00 connection with bie embezziement, If they are held at all, they must be held for extortion, They are in no t co defegd- ants, co-conspirators and co-criminals with Jenkins bi sel Mr. McKeon, in reply, said that be intended to show by the admissions of Brown and Genevieve that they ‘were co-operating with Jenkins and receiving a part of the money that was embezzled by him. The efnee! wy the other side seemed to thin the case now. Your Honor has now only to determine whetber there is probable cause for holding these partics Tor trial, The Court—It does not appear at this stage of the caso that there is proper proof. Mr. McKeon—! have to show that there was an offence @ommitted, and then show their euilty knowledge, @ (Examination being weanee’) ‘hat have you done in the way of investigation to find out this larceny? A. Lhave examined the books of the bank and compared them with (he casb, and 1 finda deficit amounting to A. Cashier of the Phenix A. Deposits of @ In whore department did you discover it? A. In the department of the paying teller. Q Had Mr. Jenkins been paying teller at any time dur. ing the present month? A. Yes, sir; he was acting as paying teller at the time of the discovery of this defal- cation. Q Thie woman who sii _here—Genevieve—have you ever seen her before? A. Yes, sir, Q Where did you see her? A. In thia room. Q Were you present at an interview with her here? A. Yeo, ir Q. Will you state what occurred? 1? jected to and question withdrawn. } ‘ou say tbat Jenkins hae been paying teller since the let of Auguet? A. Yer, Q When ai ir. be stop serving the bank? A. Oth of August, @ Upon what day did you discover the defaleation ? A oe that day 3, J does your bank do business? A. No, 46 ‘al wae ~M Will yop state how you fret digepvered the “efaicn f wait for ber that we were trying | tion? A. We bad been in the habit, in the course of bu- siners, almost every day of going round and taking a look at the tellers’ books te see what the condition of Ube bank was as to our strength in legal tender notes. In looking at his statement that morning, I saw several Jarge items which were denominated mixed money, which was contrary to the rales of the bank to be 0 entered—legal tender notes being required to be sep- arated from other currency, in order that we might be able to arrive at our strength, and ascertain that we bad complied with the National Banking law, which requires twenty-five per cont of our obligations to be keptin legal tender notes. I called Me Jenxins’ attention to the fact that these ns Were marked mixed, not separated. Mr. Stuart ot ed to the witness stating what Jenkins said, on the ground that what he said in the absence of these prisoners, in respect to the offence committed, can- Not be received as agaiust them, Mr McKeon---You cannot separate the act from the words spoken , they are a part of the res geviae. ‘The Court said for the purpose of completing the nar- Tative be would admit it, @. State what oceurred. A. He gave me no satisfactory answer to the question when I asked why they were not separated; then { wished to see the notes, which he eaid were down siairs ip the vault, I told him I wished to see them, he still said they were down stairs, | thereapon sent a porter down, who bronght up the trunk of notes, upon opening which I found a large amount of State cur- rency, wh.ch evidently was not suillcient to account for those items which Thad scen; I then began to suspect that there was something out of the way, and determined at the close of business (wo were in the midst of business of paying checke) after three o'clock to supervise his making up the cash, which I did, and then 1 discovered that for his entrica in the book there were no corresponding items of cash; I went, after three o'clock, to hiz desk, stood behind him while he counted up his cash, or called t off to be entered in the book; there was an assistant who stood by and he (Jenkins) called off the items of cash in his drawor; called off the first, second and third of his pigeon holes in the drawer; came to the fourth, picked up a piece of paper and call off from that, when he nad got through I asked him for the cash which that paper represented; he stated at first upon looking down that it was im the trunk that wag standing under his desk, Judge Stuart—This is clearly objectionable, 1 sub- mit. What Jenkins said which seemed to involve bim- self in the perpetration of larceny cannot affect the par- ties for whom I appear bere. ‘The Court said he would receive the testimony now, hear counsel upen it afterwards and pass upon its ad- missibility, Witness (resuming)—I asked him for the money that this paper represented and he endeavored to put me off; as I said before, he looked down to this trank under his table—stated it was in that; I glanced at the trunk and saw several small bundles of notes; could see at once they were not sufficient to account for the large items, I suid to him, “No, it could not be there; Tasked bim where it was, he said, ‘Well, it was there,’”? again refer- Ting to the trunk, ‘No,’ I'said, “it was not there;” I ineisted upon seeing it, and he said he did not know where it was, upon which he declared himself a ruined man; then he confessed to me that be had taken the money. Q Wore you present at the interview with Genevieve Lyons, if 80, state what occurred ? ‘Judge Stuart—If the gentleman means to draw out by that question what she sa‘d or even what she did, I object. Mr. McKeon—I mean by this question to have every thing that was said and done in the presence of the wit- ness and the accused, (Testimony allowed under objec- tion of counsel.) Q Were you present here when she (Genevieve) was brought in? A. Yes, sir, Q. Will you state whether Jenkins was present at the time in this room? A. I saw him in this room; whether he was here at the precise period of the examination, I do not remember. Q Go on and state wha occurred. A. She stated that she bad received money ffom Mr. Jenkins from time to UUme; she was doubtful as to the amount, but thought it might reach six thousand dollars. CROSS-EXAMINATION BY JUDGE STUART. Q Except what Jenkins said to you, of your own per- sonal knowledge, do you know when that monoy, or any of if, was taken the bank? A. No, sir. Q. Was cither the girl (Genevieve) or Brown present when Jenkins made this statement to you, whateyer be did state? A. No, sir. < Q. Cau you describe the moneys, the denominations of the banks and the securities, whatever they were, which were i# fact taken from the bank? A. No, sir. Q. Had you any personal knowledge of an offence hav- ing been committed against the property of the bank until your discovery of it at the time aud in the manner yon bave already stated? A. No, sir. Q Have you at any time since your discovery of the defalcation at the bank, or the larceny of its funds, seen any of the properties of the bank which were the subject of ie defalcation or larceny? A. No, sir, with one ex. ception. Q I don’t mean in the bank, but I mean outside. A do, Jenkins was a regularly appointed and duly author. ized ollicer of the bank for all the purposes and all Ld bogness which he did pertorm—was be nowy A es, sir. Q Have you ever cen Vr. Brown or the girl in the bauk or anywhere about A. No, sir. Q. Did you ever see tiie or know anything of them until after the discovery of the loss by the bank? A. No, sir. ’ ry Where is Jenkins now? A. He is committed, I sup- ose. Q Onacharge or offence against the bank? A, For embezzlement. Q Is Jenkins now present in this court? A. No, sir. Q. Has he been since this examination wae com- menced? A. No, sir. Q Where did yon Grst see the girl? A. In this room several days ago; I cannot recollect the day. Q Was it not upon that occasion that made some statements, ws is alleged, to you or in your hearing? A. ‘es, sir. Q Is John McKeon counsel for the bank which you represent? A. Yes, sir, Q And has he acted us the attorney and advocate for the bank in this prosecution? A. Yes, sir. the girl made the statement you have iting or standing? A. She T am not certain whether she was upon the platform; ‘fr. McKeon was sit- ting about where the Justice 18 now sitting. Q Was he not sitting in the chair? A. I cannot say I don’t know that she was couducted to the place 1 now occupy by an officer; I previously saw her in anoth part of the room ; I saw no officers immediately about | when she made the stutement, the de there were others present, but don't know they were officers. @. Did you hear the girt ask if she could not see some of her friends before sbe made any statement to the Judge? A. No, sir. Q Did you not heer the girt ask if she could not see ray Poe she made any siatement to the Judge’ A. No, sir. Q. Was not what she did say in answer to inquiries propounded by Mr. McKeon from the place that the present Judge Oli? A. Yes, sir. @ Was she not told by the officer that she must state to that gentleman what ebe kuew about the matter? A. No, sit; I beard wo such statement. . There was nothing stated 1 ber to the effect that Mr. McKeon was not a maietratey A. I heard nothing of the kind. Q Was what she said written down by McKeon? A, No, sir. . Was any portion of it noted down? A. No, gir. Q De you mean to say that Mr. McKeon did not take from her upon that occasion a written statement of what she said? A. No, sir; T saw no wi ‘D statement. Q Was not ‘itten statement or were notes of what she said to you ever read over to you afterwards? A. Yes, sir. Q@ Where wae that written statement taken made by Mr. McKeon which wasread tu you? A. | don't kuow, 1 did not see it written, Q Was it not read over to you soon after it was made? A Yes, sir. Q Dia you, not then understand it to be an account of ‘S etatement which she had just made? A. Yes, sir. @ Did you not understand that Mr. McKeon bad re- duced that statement to writing? A. I did not know whether it was McKeon’s writing or not. Mr. McKeon—There was no memorandum made of her statement except what | have written in this affidavit and which have shown to you (Judge Stuart), a Have you had any other subsequent interviews with thi Q was standing about where I a is woman? A. No, sir. War the magistrate (Justice ee aes when she made the statement you say she did? A. No, sir, Q Nor any other Judge? A No, sir, not knowled| Se ¢ at the time in custody, under arrest? A, I I me she was. had itin contemplation, or bas it Mr, McKeon, the attorney for the bank, or by the friends of the bank, that it would be wise or well to mak ing a witners for the State against this man and woman, and so convict them and eaye him? A. No, Judge Stuart—T now offer to prove at this stage of tho cage that this woman was coerced and forced, In a moral sense, to make the sdmissions she did; and I offer to submit some further evidence in addition to Mr. Parker's testimony upon that subject, (Excluded until prosecu. tion have Quished their case.) TESTIMONY OF JOHN H, M'CARTY, CALLED FOR THE PROSECUTION. Q What ie your position? A. Special officer of the Trey ninth precinet. Q When did you first see the gr now present, called Genevieve Brower, and Charles Brown? A, A week ago to-night, I called at her house, No, 169 Bleecker street, Q Goon, and tell the story about this matter. A, Just a week ago yesterday, between eleven and twelve o'clock at night, on going to the station house | met Mr, Mr Parker in conversation with Acting Captain Ward; went to Jenkins’ house with Mr. Parker, at No 19 Union place, and arrested Jenkins there; on the way to the station house he mentioned this girl; be said she had blackmailed bim. Judge Stuart—Never mind what he did or said. Witness (resuming)—I went the house of this girl rrested her for thie charge; she refused to go with firet and wanted to know what right I had there; I told her I was an officer and had come for her, and t wanted to get ipto the house; ehe said, what ie your business here; I aaid, it is no place to tell my business on the stoop, she went to close the door, I put my foot in the door and kept it open; when I got inside 1 told ber that I came to arrest her, she laughed at me, and paid ehe would call ina policeman; 1 hor there was no occasion for that, that] was an officer and showed her my shield; she made quite a noire, aud I thought it advisable tocall in an oflicer; ebe wanted me to friend; ebe mentioned the don't know; Q Have you been suggestad to you NEW YORK, FRIDAY, AUGUST 18, 1865. PRICE FOU) “Charlie;” at that time a policeman eame in ordered him to arrest me; I told him that 1 was an oilicer avd bad come to arrest her, aud he ad vised her to go wong witb me; I took her up to the station house and then breught up Jenkins to identify her, and be eays, “That's the person; she bas had between seven and eight thousand dollars from me;”” the sergeaut asked her bow much money she bad fom ‘bim, and what sbe had done with it; she said she iad lived pretty bigh, been to diferent watering places (1 forget the names), and spent most of ity the sergeant asked ber what amount of money she had had; ebe said from one hundred to one thousand dotlars; Jenkins thea satd, “Yev, you have bad seven or eight thousand dollars ; atone tine I choked you; “Oh, bunkey!’’ she said; “you were too good, you never choked me;’' ‘*¥es I did, and it is a wonder I did not take your life; “No, hunkey, yon are too good; you would not do such things to me;’” Mr. Jenkins said that this giri had met him at the corner of Broadway and Wall street (I forget the time), and she asked him why he had not been to see her, and be made some excuse to get rid of her, and she said, “If you don’t come to see me f will coine to see you,”’ that was said in the station Louse, and be accused her of it, and she said, “1 was only in fun whea I said about two or three hours afterwards a man came to the station house with a bundle aud asked M this girl was there, he brought a cloak and vei! for uhis girl, eail- tg her Jenny Brown; they were banded in at the desis and delivered to her; I and another policeman went out and followed this man; I went through Twenty-ninth Rung and fourth avenue; could not find bim and came iacic, Q What ocenrrod when he got back to the station house? A. I went, after he was arrested, and brought up Jenkins to see if he knew him; he sad, “That is the man—he went by the name of Davis” (pointing to Brown), Brown said, “I nover gave you the name of Davis. Q. When they were brought face to face what did Jen- kius say? A. He accused him of having got ¢ight or nine thousand doliars—that be had given Grown eight hundred collars at a time—had given him different amounts; he did not say that Brown threatened him directly, put be would smile and mention certain places be had seen him; Brown said he first met Jenkins ina saloon in Broadway, and be got five dollars of him, but Teanuot say whether be said Jenkins offered 1 to him or whether he gave it to bim voluntarily; the largest — he gave to him at onetime was eight bundred dol- ra, Q. When he was brought in here what did Brown say? A. He was asked how much money he had of Jenkius, and he said between $2,000 and $3,000; Jenkins was then called in, and stated in the presence of three or four in the room, that he had between $8,000 and $9,000; Brown said that he had only received between $2,000 and $3,000. Q. Was he (Brown) asked this question, “Did you ever ive bim (Joukins) anything for it?’ A. He said no, he had given nothing to Jenkins for it; but be supposed that Jenkins took a liking to bim, and that was the rea- son he gave to bim. Q. Did he say where he met hin? A. He said he met Jenkius at different times in lager beer saloons in Broad- way, and he had seen Jenkins in Wall street; Jenkins accused him of lying in wait for him, and charged him with watching for him when he came home in the after- noon to his house; he was asked by Mr. McKeon how much money he bad; he gaid he bad $3,000 in the Greenwich Bank. @ Do you recollect how long Brown said he had known Jevkins? A. About four years, CROSS RXAMINATION, Q Did you ba ny conversation with Brown after his arrest, at the station house? A. Yes, sir. ve Dia he ask you if be could send for counsel? A. ‘es, alr. Q Did you tell him that he could not have any counsel ‘until he got to the Court of Sessions? A. No, sir. Q How long was be kept at the station house before he ibe before the magistrate? A. Till next morn: Q. Did you tell him here the next day, when Mr. Mc- Keon and the bank officers and yourself were present, that he did not need counsel and could not have it until after the examination before the judge was over? A. I don't remember saying that to him. Q. Did you tell him be could not see his friends either? A. 1 don’t remember saying so. Q. Were you present at the time be made these state- ments you testified to, of which you have already spoken? A. Yes, sir. Q. Was Mr. McKeon present all that time? A. Yes, sir; Sergeant Wilson was present a part of the time; Mr. Devoe, another officer, and one or two more; I called him into the room adjoming to this, where Mr. McKeon was in waiting for him. Q Pid you telt-him at that or at gny ether tim previous, that it would be better for him to state all he knew about the matter? A. Jadvieed him to tell the trath about the matter. Q You told bim it would be better for him to do so? A. [told him no such thing; Mr, McKeon asked him the questions about his having the mony trom Jenkins; ware were others in the room who asked hima few quea- tions, Q Did you tell bim to state to Mr. McKeon what he knew ebout it, or words to that effect? A. I don’t roam suying that; 1 told bim to tell the truth about Q Did you tel) him that he could not humbug Mr, McKeon about this matter? A. No, sir; that was an- other officer, Mr. Wilson, J think. Q Did Mr. McKeon say, in reply to that, “No, si you can't humbug me,” or words like those? A. laughed. A. Did he say those words? A, He enid he was not easily humbug.cd; I don't remember Mr. McKeon taking down his testimony; 1 don’t know that Brown was told who Mr. McKeon wi Q Did he state what purpose Jenkins had given him money to go ipto busines«—the certain business that be mentioned? A. Yes, sir. Q. Did he state that Jenkins knew very well that it was for that purpose, wi he gave ittohim? A. Ho suid that at one time be bad given him eight hundred dollare when he was going into business, and Jenkine knew that and he gave it to nim ior that purpose. @ Had you told Brown at the station house that he wax good tor the State prison, or that he would undoubt edly go there. under the circumstances? A. No, sir, I think eome one made the remark; it might gave been a prisoner alongside; T don’t remember; 1 tfink I heard that remark, but could not say positively who it was; I think the sergeant said ‘You are good for something of the kind;” I told Krown, coming down here, that I sup. poved the examination was coming off; don’t remember saying to Brown, attr Darr.ved lege, just before I took him before Mr. McKeon, that the examination was to go off now ; he wos not taken into the preeence of the magts- trate apoo that occasiou at ail; the magistrate was busy ; 1 waa ordered to bring bum into this room; he was taken ito that room (room adjotving), and there be made the statement, and thea he was taken to the station house again after he made the statewent, Q Have you ad any conversations with Jenkins about this matter eince up at tho station house? A. Yes, sir; I have asked who were the parties implicated. Q@ Has not Jenkins ba cele eee girl was not to blame ip this matter? A. He said bo felt eorry for the girl, that she bad cover threatened him—never knew anything about bis wrong doings; he was very sorry that be had mentioned her nume iu the matter. the had said anything about ber; be did not say she was inno- cent, r in the pow one occasion? A. Yes, sir. @ Did be vot say that she bad never sent for bim or wrote to him, or solicited bis company, except on one occasion when she met bim in the street? A, Vos, si Q@ Did he not say that the money she had from bin he had willingly given to her, of hisown acéord? A. He said ehe bad never made any direct threats. @ Did be not eny subsequently, Kg bie stay in the station house, that sbe had never made any threat or held out any intimidation towards him? A. Yes, sir; he stated a terwards, in the station bouse, that whatever money she bad from bim be had given it to her of bis own accord, voluntarily and freely. Did he pot teil this girl in parting with her, “poor girl, Tam sorry era have done you wrong? A. He said, ‘poor gitl, Lam sorry for you.” @ Did he not say aleo, “I have done you wrong; you areinnocent ip this matier and knew notbinggf what I was doing when I got my mouey?”’ A. That was said in the cel! after commitment. Ind t here were others more guilty io this im s bad pot been meu- tioned? A. No, sir, @ Did he not say when he did mention her name as having had money from him, that be was told if be would say that others were to blame bo would ther-by soreen himaelf, and it woutd be for her benedt to charge others with participation im the crime? A. No, sir. @ Didhe not say that be would not have mentioned her name or Brown's either except be was told that vy doing eo it would benefit him? A. No, sir; he was told to speak the truth. @ Did he not state to this girl and him how hecame to mention their names? A. He wanted to make a clean breast of it, and be would tell (he names of those who bad money from bim. @ Did fe not say that he bad not told of those who were really gyilty? A. No, gir; 1 don’t remember his fa, ing that 4 id he not eay at some time during his tay at tho station honse, in your several conversations with bin, that Broven had never ottered any threats against bir’ A. He said that Brown bad never wade any direct threats against hit. @ Did he not say in the station house that Brown had never made any threats against him after he was com mitted? A. Yes, sir, @ Did be not eny that he had met Brown accidentally in some public saloon, and that was the way he made his Aoquaintance (ret? A. Yeo, sir; be said that be met bin: At these saloons op subsequent occasions; be said that bo drank, talked and walked with him; be #aid upon those occasions he had loaned him money; he told me that Brown knew be was in tho bank, for be had seen him come out of st, but ia what capacity he was there Brown did not know, he did not pretend that Browa had ever writen bim any letters, or that be had ever seen Brown jin the bank at all; Jenkins told me that ho bad given money to other parties, men and women, in large amounts; don’t remember his saying that be bad not seen the gitl for more than a year prior to bis arrest; he said be could not re Member at what dates he bad gi her money; be told that upow one oecasion be had given her money and | she had got furniture with it, he eaid that be bad called upon her at the house where she waa keeping louse With the furniture ehe had bougit. REMRRT, Q Wasn't this dectaration of Jenkins with regard to the girl knowing nothing about his wrong doing rn in relation Rosa Allen, and pot in relation to < vieve? A. No, sir. AM Did uot Jomking ray & ber (Gengy sve), “you gus og 2 CENTS. ow she | only one thousand doltang, but three thousand doilars, the undbrstanding that that was tue last | and it was maney you w that. Q Did not Jonkins say that he choked ber at the time he gave ti but she ead $1,000; it was about that time that be choked her, @ Did he say why he choked her at ail? A. He said she wanied more money of tie, @ When be her did he not kiss her when be went out? A. Yes, sir, Q@ Whcre did Jenkins say he met Brown; way # at the vame saloon wb tus girl was? A. It was in the salou where this gir was. RE CROSS EXAMINATION, Q. Do you mean to swear that Jenkins said that he choked ber because she wanted more money? A. Yes, sir; this Was not stated at the station house, 1 was said when I went from here down tothe bank with him; 1 asked bim why be choked her, it was after we teft the eto have from me?" A. I did pot hear ) Revere House on our way down Broadway that he told me that; we took breakfast at the Revere House. @ Was she present when he toll you tbat? A. No, ; Sbe had pot been arrested then. Q Have you ever pretended beiore that he told you that he choked her because she asked him for more mo- ney? A. No, sir. Q Have you ever told any one before that he told you this in Broadway prior to her arrest? A. 1 think I told ollicer Devoe, Q. He did not pretend in the station house that he * choked her because she asked him for more money. A. No, sir; no one was present with us when we were going to the bank; there were a number of others preseat at the station house when he told me that be had choked her; when I went to her house Jo arrest her she said she would send for an officer in the street, and if he said that we were officers she would go with us; she sent for an ollicer and he came; she went with us then; she was not aione, for there was a woman up stairs to Whom she ani J took her to the station house and put her ina cell. o ve she made to stand up in the cell nearly all night Mr. McKeon objected. Judge Stuart said he proposed to show this as one of the appliances of intimidation and terror by which it was intended to get out of this poor girl admissions. ‘The Court remarked that he did not see what relevancy it bad vo the matter before them. TESTIMONY OF ELI DEVOE. El: Devoe was then called for the prosecution aud tes- tifled as follows:— Q What is your occupation? A. Iam an independent detective for the last two or three months; prior to that [ was in the War and Navy Departments for the last four years, previous to that I belonged to the Metropolitan Police for twelve or fifteen years. Q. When was your attention first called to the defalca tion of the Phenix Bank? A. I think it was on the morn- ing of the 10th of this month; have seen the prisoners before; saw Vieve Brown on the evening of the 10th, I accompanied officer McCarty to 159 Bleecker street; ‘he went to the house, rang the bell, and a lady came to the door; I heard him (McCarty) say he wanted to see ber on private business; she told him to state it; he said be would rather go inside and state his business, as it was somewhat important; she said he could not go inside; “Well,” says he, ‘af you will not Jet me go inside then I will tell you I am an officer, and have come to arrest you;” she says, “You take me? you cannot take me;’’ he pulled out his shield and exhibited it to her; 1 then told her he was an officer of the Twenty-ninth precinct—that we had come down on purpose tdarrest her, and she had better go without any troubie, that was my opinion; I saw she was not voing; I went out to see a policeman to tell her tbat she would eventually have to go and settle the thing; think- ing that it would cause a great crowd to undertake to use any force, I went up to the station house and got a man; while I was coming back with the manI met them with another policeman, coming up Bleecker street; another officer had gone into the house before J returned ; they got into the car and rode up to the Twenty-ninth recinct station house; she was taken down stairs, and went down with them; brought Mr. Jenkins olit to seo if he coult :dentify her; he said, ‘hhat’s the woman, the cause of my trouble; that's Ler;” be told her that she had had money of him at various times and in va- rious places in sums of $50 to $1,000, and that she had $3,000 at one time; she said she did not think she had; says he, “lam free; 1 am the freest man J have been in four years this night that [am going down to be locked ap, you hounds;”’ says she, “Did I force mopey out of you?” he said, “You knew what sangeet was; you did pot exactly force it out of me, you asked me to come and see you, aud if} did not comeand see you you would come and see me,” she said that she dtd say it to him, but she did not mean it to be tn exrnest; he accused her of getting money, and he said, “You knew ‘that the very of your rupning after me was the reason I clioked e fold bim, “you did not + your bands upon you did now id, “Yes, J did choke you,”’ how much money she got from him al nid she bad at least $10,000 to $12,000; he could not telt exactly. $ Did you ever seo her write? A. No, room to this, baving an ipierview with me (Mr. MeKeouy’ A. I was present. Q When did you first see Brown? place. Q. You have stated that you were present when Brown had an interview with Mr. McKeon; state what occurred while Brown was present. A. Brown said be had had money from Jenkins several umes, that be bad had as high as $800 at one Litae, Q What did Brown say—bow much he bad gow A. He said he had $3,000 in the Greenwich Bank. Q. Did he say where he met Jeukins trst? A. Ina saloon in Broadway, I think. Q Did he say he was in the habit of meeting him in the street? A. He said that after that he bad met him in the street; be had met him in Wail street aud at dif. ferent places. Q What did he say about bis being im the bank; whether he had been in st or not? A. 1 don’t recohiect that he sad that he had been in the bank; be had there tat did be say about his being near the residence kins? A. Hie said he walked up tere and had A. Down at this Woe that frequently? A. He had seen Jeokins on y occasions tp the street; he said be knew he bank, although be (Brown) bad not beeo sn a be the t Qi | recollect his being asked or not, Kins gave him the money, whetver Brown g cousideration (ori m paper? A. He told me shat he never gave auy cous derauon for the woney We had from bim. es EX) MIN’ TION, 6 Unts Cony ereation between Brown Q In what room In the row! adjoining ths court and Mr. MeKeou? A ro: @. fad you seen Brown shortly before in this room? A. 1 did not see bh m Wn this room; 1 had not seen him witbin ap hour before iat, Q Had you spoken with bim that day before? a. No, ‘sir, @ Did you spenk with biw that day before? A. No, sir. Q Did you speak with bim fin the room in the po. ence of Mr. MeKeon or to bim’ A. J think | spoke to im while be swt op @ ecbair while Mr. MeKeoo was gone out, Q Do you remember what you said to him before Mr. McKeon commenced the conversation? A. No, wir; I did not eay anything to him before )'r. McKeon . You spoke with him before be spoke with Mr. McKeon? A. {think not; I think tt was afior, while he fat ip the cbair, Q. Was he told in the room that it would be better for him to tell the truth about this matter? A. Idon't think that language was used; Mr. McKeon suid be was going to ask bim some questions. Q@ Waat cise did Mr. McKeon say to him? A. He asked him about receiving movey of Mr. Jenkins, and he id be bad. @. Did you tell him this was going to be ap examina. tion before the magistrate? A, I did not. Did you tell Lim who Mr, MeKeon was? A. I know Tcajled Mr. MeKeon by name; L did not tell the prisoner. Q. Did any one? A, I don't know. Q Who brought bim into that room ? left it to the ant who had hina i Q. Was bo told that be must not Mr. McKeon? A. I doo’t think Le was; I did not bear tt. Q Was he not told that he must pot attempt to bam. bug Mr. McKeon. ? A. He might have been, I did not pear it Q. Did not Mr. McKeon say you oannot bumbug me? A. [don't think Mr. SeKeon raid that, A. Tid pot; I barge inpt to hambog 3,000? A. He said he had given ber $3,000, | ‘Were you present wheu sbe was in the adjeing peationed ened bis orbers, tor? this rm ha, Q' Whatetse did be as ) r od me 4 abour hina, A. T told him if it was ome aL it would probably Q ba have any other conversation with bin A. He asked me again what he had bet eiuat it ve best fodo; fold t. i , r do, bee a . money | says i that I made in « di" way was to tell you how you maie it, pe queer.” Q Did you not advice hin sain all, agaist baving avy iuters\ ss ¥ 41 the proceedings of the policn cour Ro, sir; [ never advised 1 bat or L about his seeing his friends in way woy yihing @ Did you go up to the siation house with bia? Ay Yes, sir. Q Have you seen him th re ene? A. No. Q Have you seen Jenk ns since? A Lsaw om when be was last here, but not since Q@ You are not a regular police officer? A. Not regu lar at the present time. Q Did you or McCarty have uny warrant (or tuo arrost of this girl, when she declined going with you A. No, air. Q. Had there to your knowled; made against her before nny just city? A. Ldon’t know that the Q. Had you been directed by avy mayistrave to arrest er? A. I think Judge Ledwith said Oo dows and ong her up.” Q Upon that evening or day? A. Q Has Jenkins, to your knowled: affidavit about this matter, i connection u | Rene before Justice Ledwith or anybody elec? jad made a statement. Q. Had he made an afdavit? A. I don™ ki he ever swore to it; I saw him make a state signed it, but I don't know that he ever swore Wo it Q Where was this done? A, In the bank Q. Before he was brought before any muetrate? A T think not; I don’t know of my own | @ You expect a reward for your serviccs in this mate ter? A, [havn't heard anything about any, revard; E will take it if they give it to me. @ You expect compensation for your sery ces in thie matter? A. I have made no bargain; I have suid nothing about it to anybody, neither has anybody to me. Q Who tirst culied you into the case? A, Mc. Parker came over to the Sub-Treasury for me. Q Have you any promise, implied or expressed, pening upon the amount of tnoney to be re ’ si de. A . Did you have any conversation with the girl upon that dayf A, Idon’t know that I tatked to ler upom that day. Q Did you not tell her that she could have no counsel nor see her friends? A. No, sir. Q. Did she not ask you if she contd have counsel? A. She never asked me about counse! at all; I had but very little to do with her. @ Did you not tell her that they were both in for it, and counsel could do no good? A. No, sir, 1 never made any such remark at all. Q@ Do you swear that nothing was said to you here prior to any interviews with Mr. McKeon by e\:her of them about their seeing friends or counsely A. I know there was not; they never asked me about cous @ Did they ask any one of thes? questions in your presence? A. They might have done that; I did not hear them ; they did not ask me nor in my hearing. ‘hat other officer was here with you! A. Mr. McCarty and the sergeant and some of the officers of the court. Q You said nothing to in her going up to the station house? A. I was ahead of ber with Brown when 1 went up. The examination of this witness was then closed, Mr. McKeon stating that he had three other wilnesses io ex- amine on the.part of the prosecut.on. The Court then adjourued the further exam nation t It ‘Ubi worning at ten o'clock: THE MUMFORD CASE. SOCIAL STANDING OF THE ACCUSED. PGSTPONEMENT OF THE EXAMINATION. AFFIDAVIT OF CORNELIUS WARD, ke. kee kee, Mr. Mumford bas for some years past resided in Bay Side avenue, about one mile from the vil- of Flushing, Long Island, The house is built in the modern style, and is beautifully situ. ated, Without being extravagantly furnished, a good taste appears in all the appointment married, has one child, and has always been considered by the residents at Flushing as a man the most unimpeachable honor and strict integrity. Every one in the neighborhood tho well of him, aod the news of bis arrest created the greatest surprse in the village. His babits were not at all extravagant. He saw little company pre- vioug to last winter, and every one seems astonished at what he could have don with bis money, His conduct while residing there was such as to gain him the appoint ment of trostee to the Flushing Episcopal church, in which office he gained the confidence and esteem of his brother trustees, But there are some who say “they expected it,” some who never appear #urprived at anything, but assime a knowing look and deciare “they sew it all along and are not the least astonished.” These parties throw out hints of the lavieh expenditure of some near connection of his who bas a character for “‘epreeing’’ in the neighborhood, He, it appears, bas been in the habit of displaying checks for targe umounts at various times, which they say came of from Mr. Murnford, It appears he did hold a large amount of property here, bus it is said that, foresceing a crash which must inevitabiy come, he bas been engaged for the past three or four mov 'be arranging jt go Ubat it cannot be token. ‘The generat feeling, however, js more charitable, and mort of the people are confident of bis clearing bimeetf. He owes me a little money,” said one man, “bus I ain't afraid of 4, and if it were thrice as large Peter Mom- ford is welcome to it.” He drove out from the station to bis residence on Saturday inet, and did not appear un- easy in the least; so that the news of bis arrest was con- sidered by many as incogrect. POSTPONEMENT OF THE EXAMINATION. Ten o'clock was the bour fixed for the examina ton at the Tombs Police Court yesterday At that hour but a few persons were present Jnetio Dowling asked the counsel if th y were ready. Conneel raid “No; they wore weiting for the bank to be repre fented.” After some considerable delay, connrel not being prepared to proceed, the caso wae ad joorned to this morning at ten Justied Dowling stated that in the meantime be wae willing to accept bail in the amovnt named, $99,000. If bail be recgived? he will appoint “perhaps a later day for |. What did he say? A. He asked come questions, ' . nue ecaneek babe & Washo cccadtonished exprosoly to telline trathy | t@ exam@Mtion. The following counsel have been en- A. There was no admonisiment befors me in any shape | B4z¢d:—For the complainsnt, W. T. & Milliken; for tbe or form, , | defendant, T. 8. Somers and T. H. Rodman, Q What did Mr. MeKeon say to him? A. He asked APFIDAVIT OF CORNELIUS WARD. some questions—i he had received money, and be eaid be had. following affidavit bas been fled in the aces. Q At whnt place? A. He enid at different places nelius Ward, of No. 7 Macdougal street, sworn— @ Did Mr, SeKeon make anote of what bc raid? A. | pom a clerk in. the employ of nicaf, Morris & ©o,, sir, I did not se bit, fi 44 Exchange piace; on the 12tb inst 1 was in . Have you since been called upon to sign 4 paper | girucied by cad firm, io the usual order of business, to which purported (o be (bat conversation? A. Yes, sir er to one Peter R, Mum/ord a certain paper, docts Q@ Who had that paper then? A. Tthink the mag } mente, or certificates of it, generally known among trate bad it and I swore to tt before the magistrate. buses 1 Atos; said Coriticates wore @ [don't mean that, Did you mark any other paper | 1 the amount, in gold, of for idont pect to that conversation? A. No, A cortificate to ead P. R. as an affiday it, any particular dates yment therefor a cortain 200, signed by P. or apy portion of it? A, The last thre order of Greenieai, Morns & 1 euppose. | co; when d>ponent delivored said, certiicates to said Q Did he stato any particular dates? A. Ho Jid not. | sumford, they were to become the property of said Q. Did be state for what purpose Jenking bat given it) yomford unt) depenent could ascertain that said check to him? A, Ho said that the last money be had got he | was good, and that there were Cunds in said bagk to told Jenking he was golng into business, and Le would | meet said eheck; sald check was presented at the not trouble him any more. | bank withom five minutes thereafier, and as deponent Q. When Brown eaid this to Mr. McKeon wae Jeokin® | was informed and believes there were po funds what. in the police court? A, Idou't think be was bere that | ever in eald bank tothe credit of sald Mumford; there. day. | upon deponent demanded the return of said gold or enid* Q. Did you have any more conversation with Brown | coritientes from ti jerk of eaid Mumford, and was in- aftor bis interview with Mr. McKeon. A. I welked Wit) | formed by him that the same had been sold oF disposed him up to the station house, and the girl went uy of, and bad been traneferred to other parties; deponent Q. Did the girl or Brown agk you i they could have | ig informed and believes that sald) Mumford ‘made -#nd counsel? A. He did not ask fhe could have counsel. | Getivered a nomber of checks, amounting in (be Q. Did he eay anything to you t bis having coud | aggregate to $150,000, all of which were worthless, and eel) A. He asked mo if be ought to have counsel? at said Mumford gave the said eheck to deponent, A bs gy hn at he bad fo funds jn bank to yuld net want deponent charges that said Q you not tell him that be . 4, falsely. idulently and feloniouely, and with counse! here, but would want it in the Court of Sessions, erie ke ot gd defraud seid Grey OF Gepenl oat, Morria if he was sent there? A. No, er. & Co., gave ald and fraudelent token or cheek, and @ Vid you not toll hin that ho wonld not want | hy (ne falee and Fraudulent pretences th aid counsel at the prevent time? A T told im be would | ef, at and defraud enid firm of the eum of $25,000; > hot want Counse! to ger out oF the station houge that | yent j= iuformed and believes thateaid Mumford bas kept wigot @ Did you not to!) hin ist nod counsel (here was pyuep by We page of Syeviey Uowt yyy owls gyb bug! | CONTLNDRD ON KIGETS PAGR)