The New York Herald Newspaper, March 12, 1860, Page 8

8 : NEW YORK HERALD, MONDAY,’ MARCH 12, 1860.—TRIPLE SHEET. i} ')'p treaty should be placed ‘sefore the House. noble | past. What have times part to do with an age of progress | I maintain that if you serstst tm fhe courte of business now | tke right honorable gentleman carries ns back tothe Jord the Turst Monieter said. the press night, A bag Tice the present? Never mind precedents, Never mind | rermmuended alt practical control over its is jost. | ycace of Utrecht, and says that in that cage a treaty of the House will be asked “@ givo their opinion on ths trea- | standing orders, Go abcad with large and comprebensive , (Renewed cheeia.) It ts a question which concerns the | (cmmerce was made known by a message from the Crown, ty.” Now, sir, I want to know in what way we are togive | mracures. Youare not to suppose that the authors f privileges MA this House, the freedom of detate, and all those | we must recollect that that treaty of commerce was part iat opinion, areuming as I have throughout ail these ob- | such schemes are to be subject to such rusty regulations,” | which, J trust, never will become party ques- | of & (raveaction involving « Loegiz oh pence, ‘aud io guchan + TYAODE assumed ec tap acaean alee business | (Lav) ter.) But had Mr. Pitt, im 1787, when be tw tions. (Hear, Dear) I want Ministers to feel that they | irstance, where a treaty ‘on the pacification and indicated by hep 17's government is purgued,and that | ¢ ond the treaty of commerce with France.to the coa+i*@- | can take the ‘which I have indicated, not merely with | tothe condition of the whole of Europe, it was proper that W goiDto com iMKice On the Customs acts, and pass all these ration of the House, had he no large and comprehen*ive | honor but wi:tMeignlty ; for, sir, I suppose the time has not | ft should be made known by a message from the Crown. It f missions oud reductions of duty mecesary fo eneblo ths | mncasures of reform—of financial reform? Why, oa- | yet come when an English Minister can feel that be is in & | wue, after all,a mere question of form, and whether we Cuern to complete ber engagements with the Emperor of | sidered with reference to the state of this country at tha! | falee because he defers to the privileges of the the Frepeb? (Hear, hear.) I want to know from the | tme—its revenue, its pepo and its general re- | House of Commons, and acknowledges the authority of noble lord {f all those reductions and remissions are made, | sources—the measure of Mr. Pitt, brought forward for the | Parliament. (Loud cheers ) m what way her Majesty’s government proposes to bring | c>rtolidation and reform of our Customs aud Excise, may Mr. Giapstons, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, who the treaty of commerce with France before the cognisance | be looked upon as by far the greatest reform of the kiad | upon rising was reccived with cheers, said:—Sir, the right of this House, and to subject it to the congtitational contro! | that ever has occurred. (lea) Wa, str, we heara | bovorabdle gentleman, in the motion he has proposed to- and eriticiem of this House. (Hear, hear.) Will the noble | great deal nowof simplification? Fas if tt weresome | night, abandoning for the moet part, though I think pot lord the First Minister give notice of an address to tho | new idea, the ng of this enlightened age, and only | with entire coneytency, in his , those most inte. Queen after all these reductions and remiesions have | discovered in Mai a ene) Weare told naw | resting and important topics of a spars et which been made? Does the noble lord propose to give | that a reform of 200 or 300 in the tariff is « the | are connected with the financial proposals of the govern. notice of an addrees to the Queen assuring her Ma- | marvellous actions of ourday. Why, the House may form | ment, bas called our attention to # matter we me jesty that we shall lose no time in taking aneasurea | an idea of what Mr. Pitt's were when he dealt with @ | {:portant, is etrictly a point of procedure. ar, r) which will enable her Majesty to full her engage- | ‘arf that had not teen revised for generations—I mut | } think! will venture to leave any share may take 4 ments with the Emperor of the French? In the first | clmett say for centuries. (Hear, biar.) I must remind the | that discuesion until we come to second reading of UROPE. the year by having recourse to a tax fwhich the fcountry ADDITIONAL FROM E for tapy years bad heen ied to believe would termi :.! in the present year, and which, evea under the alt +o! —_— Circumstances of the case, they had a right to ex ct Md be ’ ” ARRIVAL OF THE NEW YORK. | fps wir ihcopaiun hehe herent in. 1 ed On the subject of finance in this House, and ¢1\ i ae cially dt roemenes to So anes the income ag wa seemed to us, I cay, impossible that we could ebriuk from Important Debate on the Anglo- | ftniture ou orion Coen ‘equation on the Pe cccanion, (Hear, hear. ‘el!, how was that to be duo’ French [rade Treaty. No doubt, when dealing with 'a scheme go compliosted and comprehensive us that of the government, we m gat brea inet Me rat teng evs availed ourselves of ey m 2 3 .. 5 icular points ta it, when ving with some interest af- Speech of Disracli on th> Tuties of th» Crown | fecteu dr betog menaced, we anghtin al probaniity hive t the Peopl increased our vaeneha and bare partially datenaed, ge ig) ple. government. lear, hear.) But thought that the and Rights of the People courte of nares part; 2) this: in'we believed tat the aie general principies of the financial scheme of the govero ment were erroneous. it pot our duty to Ox upon Gladstone, Bright, Palmerston and Lord | tome broad, distinct and straightforward basis, and upon that to take the opinion of the House? (Hear, hear ) were right or wrong, the courte followed did not at all bear on the liberty or om the diecuesions of the House. (Hear, bear). Teonalded, sir, that a dlacussion om a quesune ot thie Kind is puerile. (Cheers.) It matters very little in eftect in which we debate the provisions of tho treaty. ‘The right honorable gentleman haa reterrea to tho criti- ciems of Mr. Fox, and I sbovld like to know to what in these diecussiovs the right honorable qa, ed = enforce j= Loe uttered by Mr. Lat euch treaty. “Thou; jose opinions were very relevant to oan. and were not acted upon b; = by ell House of Commons, | admit that he took @ vie' Decersities of the case very different from that taken Mr. Pit, Haa Mr. Pitt lived in our time, and been con- ar ussell i ie a inion, It was notin our | place, it will be very diflicult—I believe it is perfectly un- | House tbat the committee had to go ia his days into tae | the Refurm bill promised by my noble friend ( J. | cerred in dealing with our complicated commercial ar- John Bi i in Reply Same ee coretres wih the discon- Precosented under ay circumstapcee—for the House of | consideration of no lees than 8,000 resolutions tocarry his | Russell). (Renewed laughter.) I want hese 3 hg! protean be would have asked what were the exigen- be 2 aye as tented wine morchente, with auy paper manufacturers, | Commons to address the Queen on a treaty when ber Ma- | policy into effect, Mr. Pitt, therefore, had his large and | matter that bas been raised by the motion right | cies o! the great interests involved, and would bave proreeded in conformity with the answer which his en- lightened intellect. would have given. What was the conduct of Mr. He did not want undue delay, but he was not ready to go atonce into the discussion, and he demanded delay, becanse paid bata tebe ae cake pbaniinet fey For rig! anding 3 bonorable. genie: man feeks to pursue the phantom of delay, in imitation of Mr. Fox, though he is wanting in the motives which Jentto Mr. Fox's principle substance aod megak Gea cheers), Mr. Pitt proposed a Committee of he Hoi se upon the commercis! treaty with France, and ber Majcaty’s government serious'y considered the queation whetber they should propore # Committee of the Whole Howse upon the commercial treaty with righ adopting jeaty bas not been advised to condescend to addrees the | comprebengive measure; bathe did not mix itup in any | honorable gent’«man, and which, though a narrow point, Houre of Commons, It may be said that it was im. | way with bis commerotal treaty. On the contrary, haviog | is one of great importance; and | mugt begin by tencoriog porrible in ber Majesty’s speech to announce the fact of | given the House of Commons of his day a constitutional my thanks to the right honorable gentleman. He says we this treaty of commerce being ratified; but in asimilar case | opportunity of considering the treaty, baving proved and | have caused the Queen to commit an unconstitutional and 1 find, in the treaty of commerce which was negotiated at | ;atsed in that committee the twenty resolusons that woro | illegal act, end that we sre pursuing ® course which Utrich, that it was negocintod while Parliament was sitting, | ncceeeary for the House to atgent to, no sooner hadhe | may end in the invasion and abrogation of the and could not be announced from the throne at the opsning | obtained that result than he fotroduced his Consolidation | privileges of the Hovse of Commons. 1 must say if of the House; but then a message from ber eg ‘Queen | of Customs and Excise bill; the House went intoconmit- | that were s01 never heard a better opportunity for a Apne was brought to the House to inform it moa had | tee, and he reported those r tions to the committee, | broad party charge on the part of the leader of an oppo- occurred; and that course led to communications which | and then the committee had opportunity of ‘Consid sition. How chivalrous, then, was the conduct of the were in every respect conatitotional and according to par- | ing the financial and fiscal portions of his policy. Now, | right honorable gentleman when, casting over us his pro- liamentary custom. But we need not go back to that dis- | Jet the House observe this, that during the time that Mr. | teciing arme,cbe says, “I bave not the teat doubt that taut period. It is only but yestorcay—it ts in the expori- | Pitt introduced that treaty of commerce with France iu | ths was done by ap inadvertency!”’ It is crrtainly oneaf ence of two thirds of the present members of the Honze— | 1787, there was not tho slightest allusion to the Lp od aN «ae eee et wae aa or With thoge publicans whose compiaiots we have been The Duke De Chambord in Ald | ji ning to ue cveuing ithe many odie or interests’ who believe that they are menaced by of the Pope. Propositions of the government; but, oa the contra: ry, tir, it wa? our opinion ‘that an issue 5 Fhould be joined similar to that proposed by ESS, wy honorable friend the member for Kvsex, aud HOLIN + | acon the clear, dietinct, and straightforward judgment of ba Horse. (Hear Hear). | bave made these opservations ow the finep lal statement of the right honorable gentle- bet that I to introduce the slightest controversy ceas on on ite merits, Wut to explain to the Houso he course which we have taken. Having arrive at tha; belt 00,1 not disguise from the Take ini on a matcr of great regret tbat we were obliged to precipi- NEWS FROM RUSSIA, tate a conclucien from the pect manner fo Waieh the important public business this year has been placed be- &., &o., ao. fore us by the government. We were obliged, I say, to precipitate a ae which, berger Sy our + gaa c inge, ought to have been postponed until the preliminary. ‘The steamship New York, Captain Von Saptin, which } gj ited upon several important topics had taken place ‘eM Bremen on tbe 19th and Soutbampton on the 23d of | (Hear, hear.) And im the couse of this discassion proba- : Diy miny circumstances would have been changed aud Webroary, arrived a1 this portearly yesterday (Sunday) | srerations would have occurred which would have modi- i i NAPOLEON'S ADVICE TO HIS THE. PEACE DEMANDS OF SPAIN OF MOROCCO. what our most gracious Sovereign entered jato a treat; which that treaty would bave onthe reveoue of which many of us were rday exhort. with the Klog of Sardinia while parliament was sisting country, jh its effect must have been cousiderable. | ed that / haveever nek riage tania house (Cosers and and the Minister brought down @ message from theCrawn | There was ‘the slightest allusion to his greatand com- | Jaugbter.) Sir, I cannot accept the apology right bo- which invited @ loyal and dutiful response. think it | prehensive measures of fiscal and fineucil | norable gentlemen bas kindly made for us, any morothan would be very difficult for the noble lord—all those | reform, although it was his purpose to submit | on the part of the government 1 can socept the motion remigsiong and reductions haviog taken place—to pro- | to the committee upon that great bill the reso- ‘wih heal paced Me Manone sned, which he thinks poge an address to the Crown to inform her bed that | lutions which had been passed in tho com | we might not only with propriety with see b we were prepared to carry the treaty into effett. Tne | mittee on the commercial ‘treaty. In February Mr | (Hear, hear.) The dignity of a government is a ir noble lord may think that that would be the time | Pitt proposed bis commercial oak In March Mr. Pitt | upon which different geatiemen in different situations to advise her Majesty to address the House. 2he | introduced bis great measure of reform. And | may bave different . But I must confess that I came to the conclusion that Mr, Pitt was right in the form of a committee, and that they would have different. (Loud cheers). she vary tare of Mr. Put’s treaty were im the resolutions that ieters submitted ‘othe House. Does the right honorable gentleman think that if we had proceeded in that course it woul have been in accordance with the public pad na and would havo ‘morning. fied in many respects the conclusion arrived at and the | relations between the Crown and this House are of @ very | what did he doin April? Why, at the right time, Mr. | think if we have been of course involving the | commanded public: right honorable gentle- ‘The New York bronght 278 passengers and 700 tons of | expretsion Hi optaion to which I have referred. But | peculiar and delicate character; and we should be the Pitt proposed his budget (hear, hear.) And I ask the consequences mentioned po gry oe ry ees pte trade . hi htet Ciesd Task, mercband! when we saw the great baste with which those important | first not to let them generate into a mere formality. (Hear. house now, why are we to be treated differently fromthe | that we have gravely erred our duty to en, wou! ave been cone: with the general feelin; ere subjects have been brought uncer the consideration of | And for the Crown to send down a message to this Himse, | Commons in 1787? Why should we not have the commer- | House of Commons, and that the very beat attitude we ; e Aabetid hewn come one tee {he experienced very boisterous weather during the | the House, the§ almost inextricable cou‘usim with | announcing that she had concluded a treaty unth the Bm- | cial treaty,the comprebensive measure of fisancial re- | can assume in seizing the helping hand which the right | exclusive legislation in favor prod: 3 peror of the French, and 11 ‘our consideration to it, | form, and then the budget brought forward in their natu- |-hon. gentleman holds out to us, is not the atitude of those and ch gronhng her Majesty means to carry it int | 1." order, and submitted to ua in that manner? (cheering) | who claim an unsullied dignity, but rather the attitude effect, when her Majesty must have been duly informed by | —in that manner which would give us frequent ample op. | penitents dependent onan adi for her Mimuters that we had parted with all those privil of | portunities for matured dehate and that criticism which | (Hear.) Ip pointof fact 1 that the right Parliament which ‘our constitutéonal control over | questions of such importa. °, avd of such complicated | gentleman is correct neither in his facts nor treaties, would be a course which I think no Minister | character demand? (Hear) Wc.’, now, “ir, I ask the | ples. (Hear, hear.) The course we have would be jus ifled in advising bis sovereign to follow, and | house why should we not follow iu the p. t instance | course dictated bears ropriety and a regard bear.) Every man’s mind mort at once answer that suc! & course would have been impossible. We could not bave aeked the House to go in'o committee on the treaty with France, and then have legislation im commercial matters which it wi hae their soope to deal with. I conld not ha to go into committee on the subject of French wines, age—bavi vester!} for ten day . | which matters and measures that have no neces: bennett. Sat hed Wanlerln: eule for ya Fan’ | Tary connection with each other bave been mixed up, ming, whboot intermission. the great cifficulty which attended a hurried consideration ‘The commercial and financial advices by the New York | of afluirs s0 complicated, we felt that such a state of Bave been anticipated by our telegraphic despatches from | thing#rendered it really tmpossivle for us to take any by other course than that inoicated by the proposed resolu- the Nova Scotian, at St. Johns, N. F., published in tbe | ison of my honorable friend the member for Exeex. (Hear, jm@por- z t Birnavp on the 9th and 10th instants. hear.) Now, sir, that being the way in which the would be at the same time a mockery to the Crown, aud || the same course as the government of 1787? That is a | privileges of the House of mons, and likewise by th: then have invited them to go Into a committee on a reso- ‘The London Times of the 20th of February saye:— tant measures which the severnment have brought for- | Inced not say an insult tothe Commons of the United | question which I think ought to be answered; and if we | which he never mentioned, but which, undoul lotion relating to al] kinds of wines, pe fgg to th | Ward have been introduced to the House, it seems im- | Kingdom. A great Minister, waom I shall have to quote | folicw that couree, it appears to me that we ‘hall re | been muph im the minds of the it, a | know who are acting really in the spiritof Mr. Pitt—I The deputations from the various trades connectod with | possible, if this iseue is to be raised, that it'could be post- | income subsequent remarks, has touched, I think, with | move all the difficulty which members on both | regard to'tkw u’-rests of those great bransbes of trade | ask, are not we, who ar» endeavoring to forward the the bonded system throughout the United Kingtom had | honed beyond the question of Mr. Speaker leaving the | grest elcquence and truth upon the true union which may | sides must feel, and we should have thus enifl | out of doors which a¢p.dependent on the results of this | commerce of the country by great changes, devized in an interviews with tbe Chancellor of the Exchequer on Satur- | chair to go into committee on the Customs Acts. ar, | beeifected between the prerogatives 0” te Crown and | cient opportunitice of debate and discusssion which, | treaty. (Cheers) But the right hon. gentleman is not | enlightened epirit, and who are acting in the course of day, and while agreeing with the main features of the | hear.) And although we deprecate and deplore Ks in: | the privileges of Parliament upon this important subject | in the mode in which those tmportart questions have been | correct. I said, not in his facts; and I will give you an | parliamentary law and preoedent?—Not that we claim for ‘Budoet, pointed out the oppressive, and in some cases the | convenience, and, as we believe, the great injury of the | of treaties. (Hear.) He said, “It is the happy circum. | introduced to ur, it seems inevitable we shall-be deprived | instance or two in order to show what I moan by my alle: | ourselves a pralze which was due to Mr. Fits, who stood probibitory, effect of the new charges Le ter ge laid | House being’ called upon before thegpreliminary deba’e, | stance of our constitution that it gives to the Crown the | of; and tbatabove all wo sball have this treaty broaght n. He eays that the resolutions introduced by Mr. | in the front of his party and his countrymen fn enforcing pen goods in bond. | Mr. Gladstone expressed his read’ | which would have arisen, to come to the conclusion upon | sole prerogative of negotiating and concluding treaties, | under our cognizance and criticiem, which, so far as I | Put were resolutions essentially large and goneral, and Proredecte elga a A ep olga the whole financial scheme of the government, still it was | but it gives the judgment, the revision and the execution | cap jud not otherwive be the case, iam ata loss | tolaily incapable of forming the foundation of » finan- jam. “ cations as may be prove be mecetuary. inevitable from the mode in which the public basiness | of thote treaties to the privileges of the people.” (Hear, | to understand what objection her Majesty's ministers will | cial measure. Well, sir, 1 have the resolutions Soeaptotion ‘The report of a conspiracy against Napoleon, brought | bad been arranged by the Ministry. (Hear, hear ) Well, | hear.) But I want to know how we can have jadgment, | make to the pi with which { shall conclude. | bere, and I ack the House whether this one, for in- ‘and suc- Dy the Nova Scotian, fs not fully confirmed, although that being the state of the case, there arose accidentally | how we can enjoy revision, and how we can exercise con- | I should be exc: sly giad if I could obtain my purpose | stance, partakes of the vegue and extensive character ~ soe : Juding the Herald, on Friday night last whatI may calla conversation on | trol to execute the administration of a treaty, if we have | without asking the oase to agsent to apy amendment. | alleged by the right honorable gentleman—‘‘ That it ap- = some of Gin Lenten papas, tacking te ,8eem t | the subject of the Fronch treaty of commerce. Towarde | already parted with those privileges, the postession and | The amendment that I have put on the paper is one ia ac- | pears to this committee expedient that the duty hereafver pro- Delieve that # plot was on foot for his injury. the conclusion of it I roee and inquired of her Majes- | the exercise of which form,as it were, the privity between | cordance with the forms of tnc house, and I have no other | to be ‘on vinegar’? (a laugh) ‘shall be at the rate of ‘cond: A new journal came out in Paris on the 18th ultimo, ha) government on a subject which had been several | the House and the gee ng ad the Crown? There te | object in it but toseoure to the honee an opportunity of | £32 l¢ar 1d. upom every ton containing 262 gallons. neomal, 5 the place of the Unii Ned Le imes referred to in a very perplexing form. I asked | yct another couree by which the noble lord might con. | constitutional discussion of this treaty, and of asserting | Now that can ecarcely be called a large and general re- — which is to supply the p salted cscs’ Ji 225 # | in what manner the government intended to introduce | template bringing the of commerce with France | the privileges of this house, and of securing that right of | solution, or one incapable of forming the foundation of a ingenurty, Monde. the treaty of commerce with France tothe consideration | before the consideration of House of Commons. Tne | debate which hitherto we have deemed so important. measure. Give me resolutions bo wo | The Grand Duke Ferdinand IV. of Tuscany, having | of the House. Iam bound to esy that the answer of the | noble lord might say, or might kave thought, that it was AG met 1 said toat I would make no observation on | those upon the duties we are ane and you will 000 rat (Cheers. in fe a. government on that oc:asion was so ambiguous, so hosi- | in his power to give notice on a particular day—the Com. policy or provisions of this treaty of commerce, but! | see whether they are incapable of forming the foundation ‘ He may 4 oll) bay paseed a few days at Paris, had left again for Bavaria. It | tating, that upon further reflection and research {a the | mittee on the Customs Acts being concluded—to give no my be allowed to make one remark—first, upon the ne- | ofa financial measure. (Hear, hear, and laughter.) But, sir, | treat ys and what di boopoes re er, very ig asserted that he is about to address a manifesto to the | course of the evening, it appeared to me to be #0 imprac tice that on # particular day he would call upon the House | gotiator of the treaty; and, second)y, on tbe form of the | the right honorable gentleman tells us that Mr. ‘8 pane gs we Levit pre vate a He not sub- ‘Toscan nation, promising to forget the past and to grant | ticable, that I felt it to be my duty, though with great un- } to consider the treaty of commerce with France. Well, | instrument in which the reeult of the negotiations is placed | treaty contains no provisions Dut those relating to oom- | mit th poy ge tJ = assent of Parlia~ m ‘ willingness on my part, to place that notice on the paper | now suppoee the noble lord gave that notice, how would | before us. And 1 do eo because I cannot help feeling | mercial duties Why, sir, the second article of that treaty a e Knew his duty as a commer minister a great constitutional reforms. which honorable gentlemen are aware of. (Hear, hear, | he act upon it? He could not go into committee to con- | that they are in some degree the cause of | isone providing what shall happen with respect to the | dcal too well to bane the clauses 0 & treaty in the hands of ‘The Paris Montteur of the 20th of February says—: and cheers.) So little had that amend ment on my part the | sider the treaty, because already he bas wasted allthe | the embarragsing position im which the house | personal ea‘ety and security of the subjects pra 9 es the siert sh h the ta ee nal C4 of the House up- M. Leeseps and the Doke of Albonfora were yesterday | character of a party motion that I had not, fromthe state | reasons which authorized the Touse to go intothecom | is placed upon this matter generally. (Hear, hear). | residing !n the dominion of the other in time of war. | on cac! m. (Hear, bear) We have held that our received dp ivate audience by the Emperor * ho Y | ofthe House, an opportunity of conferring with any of tho | mittee. There is nothing for the House to decide upon | Now, sir, Jam eure that the house will do me the justice | Then the rigbt honorable gentleman saysthat after Mr. | Sret duty was, without interposing difficulties, to ae then ‘the poritive assurance ‘tat MThouvencl has | gentlemen with whom I am in the habjtof acting, except | as regards a committee. In every financial and fiscal | of believing that I have never been silent in recognising | Pitt had passed his reeolctionsin acommittee onthe treaty | under the cognizance of Parliament the ‘moat vit and substan Parts cf the treaty which we have advieed her Majesty to adopt, and that would have been the direct effect of our pro- ceeding ; and I coubt whether there is the treaty a single article requiring legislative sanction which would not bave been embraced in the resolutions of which 1 have given potice. If 1 understand the right honor- able gentleman, he thinks it a great offence in the to bave advised his Sovereign to make a treaty in which Parliament, es the right honorable gentieman has the right of direct legislative ranstion, and he thinks itcan oniy through imadvertence that this could ay carne But “ety neve: poo Enea 80 iosensible pi pet, utes that they have entere to agreeme} wi juired legtalative sanction, but who, no Souttt inad wence—(cheers)—bave forgotten to ask for that legislative eanction. The last irstance I remember occarred in a treaty with a Northern power, in the 2uth article of which i a provision against the fraudulent use cf trade marke, and her Britaunic to recommend to Parliament to complete the stipula- tion. The government that made that arrangement with a foreign power never came to Parliament to ap- prove the provision when they laid the treaty on the table, or at any time during their continuance in office, and tbat was 8 government of which the right le guvo~s formed a part. (Cheers and laughter. - ere are otber parts of Mr. Pitt's papceedings im which fully grant we migbt have tuitiatea him, but thoy lie in the future. We have no desire to interfere with the lib- erty of Parliament as to the provisions of this treaty ; in. ceed, we have degired to have the opimons of the House upon the subject, and if we have erred it has been from # too ripid acherence to the procedeut of Mr. Pitt. But us the right honorable gentieman wished for an assurance that the House of Commous shall declare its opinion upon |sihe treaty apart from all these engagemerta, Iam author- ized to say it ig the intention of the government, in casa he House should so think fit, to submit that matter to the ongiceration of the House, nud to ask the opinion of the Hovee npon the treaty ae a whole (hear, bear.) We do net take that conrge from the impression tha: the treaty eelf actually requires the legislative sanction of Parlia- ment. The only moe by which Parliament could assent 10 a treaty is by its giving effect to the regulations arising out of it, The king never dies; thatis a great political maxim: but Paritament might cir; Parliament might be dissolved uestion a vote would have been arrived at. But could | the great ability and the honorable and eminent position | they were submitted to a committee on the customs acts. the noble lord then propose a refolution that the Houre | fairly gained in this country by the honorable member | I beg right honorable gentleman’s pardon when sanction the treaty’ I apprehend that if the noble lord | for Rochdale. (Cheering on both sides of the house.) I | I say they were not submitted to a commit- were to take such a course he would clearly be taking | have the satisfaction to atate that I recognized his abilities | mittee on the customs acts, but to one that sat @ course that would outrage the prerogative of the | before hy oa acknowledged by her Majesty’s mini | for the purpose of simplifying public accounts. Crown. Hawould not ark the House of Commons to | eters,and before he received the approbation of those | Again, the right honorable«gentieman was in error in sanction a treaty already ratified by his sovereign, and, | sympathising stateemen with whom, it seems, some how | charging the government with having led the Crown to therefore, if the noble lord gave that notice, 1 cannot | or other, he is doomed never to be a colleague. (Laugh- | commit an unconstitutional and illegal act, by engaging conceive, if he has exhausted his Committee on the Cus- | ter.) But I cannot but feel, and I now give the reas.n of | not to exercise for a period of ten years a power which toms Acts—I cannot conceive what he would find to do | the sentiment to the house, that ¢¢ was & most unwise selec- | Parliament has put into the hands of the Crown with the when the House met to listen. These are the main rea | tion on the part of the government to int, as their secret | evident intention that it should be exercised at any sons which bave induced meto come tothe conclusion | agent, Mr. Cobden—for I may 1.0w use his name, secing that | during ten years, or beyond that period if sul it that if the House persigts m the present order of public | it is append:d as a signature to the treaty ilself/—dt was.a | cccasion arise for the of the right businers this treaty of commerce with France will really | most wnuise thing to Mr. Cobden as their secret | honorable geetlemsn says we have abandoned our right never be submitted to their constitutional control; and I | negetiator. I should re: to see the honorable member | to prohobit the exportation of coal. But as far as we have want the House this evening to hether there are nct | for Rochdale upon that bench (pointing to the ministerial | had the opportunity of receiving advice upon the subject, gome means by which we can extricate ourselves from a | front row) in an honorable and recognized position, because | and as far the government is concerned, that treaty has position eo difficult, and for the House I should say go hu- | then we should know that be was responsible forthe | no bearing whatever upon any of the articles to which muiliating, as that which we now unintentionally--I doubt | policy which he bad undertaken. But when J find him | that right of probibition refers But, sir, let me endes- not, on the part of the government—appear to me to oc. | the feoret agent for negotiating a treaty of commerce, tt | vor to collect what I understand to be the main pro- cupy. I think there aresuch means, simple andeifica- | is impossi for me not to trace the treaty casei hot) honorable gentleman. Ho says we cious, by which we can extricate ourselves from this un- | someths & the idiosyncrasy of the negotiator. (Hear, ve withdrawn ghe treaty from the cognizance of whe satisfactory position, and which, in my opinion, the House | hear.) yw, forexample. There are no objections to | hovee,and that we have placed the house im sach a ought to adopt. 1 think we cagdo no better, in the pre- | this treaty. Ido not make them myself now, because to- | position that it cannot exercise its constitational sent state of affairs, than follow thoee precaddhte with | night I wish to avoid any controversy on his conduct; bat | privilegee. He says we have done this in total aban- which the wisdom and experience of our predecessors | it nas been objected that there is in the treaty a wanton | dovment of tho precedent of Mr. Pitt; he com baye furnished us, There are several precedents whica | ¢cestruction of sources of revenue much wanted at this | plains that we have committed a groes error by mix apply to the present state of public business of the H particular time. But, then, tt ts perfectly consistent with | ing up the treaty with the financial arrangements of the (Irontcal cries of ‘Hear, bear.’”) But I don’t waot | the opinion of Mr. Cobden tbat he ehould recommend the | year, which he eaye onght to be kept studiously apart to weary the patience of the House tonight with | eacrifice of revenue, because Mr. Cobden is never at | fromit; and lastly, he says we can agree with dignity to the details, for this reacon—becauce there igone precedent | fauttin his opinlove—openty frankly aod honestly pro. | his motion. 1 feel great diificnity on the score of dignity; h from its pature 1280 apt and memorable, which | feesed as they always are—Mr. Cobden is never at faalt | but likewise I feet most conclusive objections to the mo- ‘do an cxampls £0 complete, and the actor in which | for a substitute for the revenue which he forfeits, and he | tion which the right honorable gentleman has made. I illustrious, that I aw quite aware that if the house | bas found that substitute In a reduction of our expendi the Orst place, Ido not know what that motion m will give their ccneideration to that precedent, and to the | ture. Butis that the opinion of her Majeaty’s govern- | and, in the next piace, 1 am £0 rash and preeumptuous as courte of proceeding which was pursued by Parliament in | ment? The estimates on the table prove that itis not— | to express the opinion that the right honorable gentle. the prime period of ,te reputation, they witl obtain a guide | (bear, hear)—and I am quite sure that if upon this sub | man does not know what it meaps What docs the right not only im the present position of these questions, but in | ject they sbared the opinions of the secret negotiator, | bonorable gentleman mean ihe ‘engagements of the ony combination of difliculties which may arise from pro- they would soon forfeit the confidence of the House | treaty?’ lithere be avy coabt about it, I entreat the babiy the prolonged debates on the questions now before | of Commons. (Hear, hear.) Then, again, there | Hovee to refer to what the engagements of tbe treaty are us. I have already referred to that precedent in the con- | is another very important matter in this treaty | The course of common sense dictated that when you have versat on op Friday, but very hastily and very imperfect vpon which there bas been consiterable controversy, and | one article that ts joces and general, and another that is ly. Ifthe House will permit me I will now put succinct | upon which Mr. Cobden bas a most decided opinion, and | specific and preciee, that if apy doubt occurs you shoal4 ly, but Thope c'early, before the House what took place | hat is upon belligerent rights. It is the opinion of some | cave the one and resort to the other. Tie validity with respect to the treaty of 1786, and it appears to me | hat the rights of belligerents are very lightly treated | of the treaty with respect to England is so regu that ina right appreciation of theee circumstances we | under this treaty; but itis perfectly consietent with Mr. | lated that it is not to be valid till Parliament has shall find means by which we may disembarrass our. | Cobden’s expressed opinions that he should not guard | asrented to the engagements with which it is entitled already rece with bonorable and learned friend the member for Saskicing Init weqotaices ‘wun the: aapiak Cabinet, Bellast (hear); and I should most willingly have seen the ‘with the object of removing the last obstacles which op: | ‘afk undertaken by some independent member ot the pore the realization of the Suez canal scheme. are ee ne ee Moy ted Figret cored ‘The stagvation in financial and commercial affairs noticed | tion of the House to what I believe is the unprecedented for some monthe past still prevailed in Paris; ne change | and peculiar position in which it is now placed—one ‘was expected until the result of the debate in the English | Which, T think, will be found om, calm discussion, to i leges Parliament on the treaty of commerce is known, The | PC the Heme Zane weenie eo” che Rrivileges manufacturers of Lyons had @ steady, though not yhich are, MS Cogeco {9 view with such pride and jealousy. ere ably there have been few extensive businers. ‘The Paris four and corn’ markets | bins of Parliament in which measures of such groat ‘were firm. importance bas been introduced to the notice of the House A despatch from Paris, of the 21st of February, reports: | of Commons as the present; yet the management of Uuis ory miportant business by the government—inadvertently, I pot ncaa to the ‘altompte at aghtation bu the ‘Romae | wake no doubt—hae been 80 arranged that, allbough #9 question. M. Billault instructs the Prefects to pronibit, | have bye ted Lied tl paneer ear pet Lia according to law, the distribution of writings and pamph’ | 1" Are Cale oe ee oi nined. I wil repr Jets, unless duly authorized, and to report to the Couneil | 10,4" Mi cara Scustae bi an ceil ‘a prove of State whenever the liberty of the pulpit is abused. He | [0, (le pts (ht me elt. ear hee Fecommends them to combine moderation with firmness, | dlcutsion teen so abridged and limited. | (Hear, hear.) as the Kmperor desires peace and liberty for religion. Peeap nmeibeget perc pe pot nner ty | The Liverpool Allion, of the 18th of February, says:— | superseced. (Cheers.) Believing that this bas been un. In a conversation recently between her Majesty and | intentional and inadvertent on the partof the govern Tord Palmerston, the French treaty was warmly discussed, | meut, but feeling that it has not only placed the House in and somew)iat oo urgently pressed upon her Majesty, | @ very inconvenient position, but may lead to conse- who evideutly dishxed the style of the colloquy. It's | quences very injurious to the public service, I have faid that the Queen, handing Lord Palmerstan# slip of | tucught it my duty, by the motion which Ihave pinced paper with these letters, “AABRYLET,” desired his io on the table, to glve the House an opportunity of ix ‘hip to form them into ope word, which would aptiy con- | terfering and remeaying that which, on reflection, I think ‘vey her Majesty’s views on the question of the treaty. | to be an evil of no slight magnitude. (He Your readere shai! have the word next week. papoaiion ariewe. meaccoast 1H Mat Wate Aue AMUOD £07 0d, OF bw ere ve even vary, Pemarks:— hak Guin tye ‘The country bas very good reason to feel indignant that cogulead by Gas Hovee., Whit le tie: lneiee at bcc fila alr Mb pn fe ysrnredeg cd regards lord the Secretary for Foreign Affairs’ on’ this foreign nationg, should, of all others, have been aviected Why, in bis despate! a by the government to negotiate this treaty; and this, too by,, in his despatch to the negotiators of this c treaty, what the noble lord there says is—‘And with after he had failed in the management of his own private f respect to all those articles which are to be set free from negotiations in America. But, mangre all tuis, off he duty ard removed altogether from the tariff, those articles Bent as a packman to Paris, with quite a wallet of our | shall become free on the day succceding that on which goods, to negotiate a great commercial treaty between na- | the reeolutions of theCommittee of the Houge of Cam Wong, as if it was simply a peddling aifair of the s mons affirming the proposals and the freedom from duty of cotteps. And so, in truth, Mr. Cobden vie: shall be reported and agreed to by the House.” No it, and s0 Mr, Gladstone views it; but, if we judge our | doubt the noble lord was perfectly justived in giving 5 countrymen right, £0 will they not view it. those instructions to the negotiators; but if that be the | selves of all those difficulties which we have already, and | those rights which he has himeelf always denounced. | to deal. By the twelth ava fourteenth articles it was | to-morrow, and the next Parliament might undo the acts of The London Times of the 23d of February, remarks in | cage, what opportunity would we have, in Committee | which, if we do not take that course, will, in my | (Hear, hear). Now, sofar with regard tothe character | agreed that this treaty should bind the United King | ite predecessor. It as mot, src ph to ask you to give its city article: — on the Castoms Acts, to consider this treaty? (Hear, | opision, dally increase, The House ' will ‘recollect | of the negotiator. ict me say one word now asto tho | dum of Grent Britain and Ireland and France #0 Boon as | ary asunt lo the treaty ina rigid or jt ad sense, that hear.) All thoze who had voted for the reduction It is stated that since November last, when the | or remiesion of duty in committee would scarcely 0, experiment of shipping gold to the India marke pose an act which carried their own reductions into eff kets commenced, the total sent has amouted to nearly | ai those who had oppored—whom we assume to £000,060. At first the consiguments yielded a proit, the | the miuority—must, in their opposition in comaittea op Bative importery causing the quantities to be melted into | the Curtoms acts, be confined merely to subjects which ten ounce ingots, which were fount convenient ia many | are contained im the Customns acts. Therefore, if the Cus- trangactions, in place of the usual heavy sums of silver. | toms acta were passed at all, the assent of Parliamont— The profit however, led to supplies being despatched in | which is provided for in the 20th article of the treaty— excess of the growing demand, and according to the | wouid be fullilled and perfectly concluded. (Hear, hear.) latest advices the sovereign was worth only 20s.,a price | But it 1s a mistake to suppose that article No. 20’ of this Which, reckoning the charges of tranemisfion, would ia- | treaty requires the eanction,or, as the honorable member volve a loss to the importer of three per cent. "Tho remit- | (or Finsbury calls it, the ‘Tatification, of the Houge of tances, therefore, will now again be limited to silver, | Commons. The House of Commons bas no right under ‘whieb, as the last quotations of exchange show no alter- | the constitution to sanction or ratify treaties; and if her ation, may be expected to continue on their recent scale. Majesty exercises ber prerogative, subject in any particu ‘The Paria Mcnileur publiehes the official return of the | lar to be enabled by this House to full her ag here > if the House fulfils thore engagements, the treat) customs’ revenue for the month of January, emonnting a complete treaty, and there is no doubt it would be ac to 13,611,237f., being an increase of 1,029,900f. over the | cepted as a complete treaty by the Power with which it eorresponding month of 1869, and of 1,388,232/. over that | Was negociated. (Hear, hear.) In eetn ae which that the treaty of commerce between England and | form of the instrument 1} will not enter into any contro. | the neceseary legisiative sanction should be obtained from France, negotiated in 1786, was negotiated in the | verty to-nightas to whether this isa reciprocity treaty | Parliament. That language is perfeotly epecific; but the month of September, at the latter end of the month, and | or not. The subject is not exhausted, and I hope there | terms of the treaty further show what was meant by in the month of October it was published throughont Ea- | will be an occasion to renew it, eapecinily if hor Majerty’s | iegislative ranction. The treaty concinited by Mr. Pitt re- yope. Parliament did not meet till the last week in Janu. | Ministers, as I trust they will, consent to the soggeations | ferred to those erticles of the treaty which required the ary; and therefore for four months that treaty and all its | embodied in my observations. But if it bea reciprocity | sanction of Parliament. If the right honoraole gentle- provirions had been canvassed and analysed, and | treaty, then I must say that reciprocity was never lees | man will observe the structure of treaty he will dis- ad been in the mouth and in the mind of | adroitly managed. (Hear, hear). If, on the other hand, it | cover the bearing of the different articles, and he will see many. (Hear, hear.) In February, I think on | is nota reciprocity treaty, then Ican tind no satisfactory | thst the fourteenth article regulates the exact naturo of the 2d of February, Mr. Pitt, having a few days | cause why these negotiations should have taken (his con- | the eanction to be given by Parliament, and the necessary reviously brought up the treaty by command. as the no- | vent'onal form. (Hear, hear). I say, sir, I can find no | legislative saxction is thmiinal approval by Parliament, by Ne Secretary of State did the other night, gave uotice | satisfactory cause; but { should be in error if I were to | which alone legislative sanction i meant, Then come cer thaton the 12th of that month (February) be should cali } esy that no cause has arin. The noble lord, the First | tain other engegementa contracted by Eogland and France, upon the House to take into consideration the treaty of | Minister, at the commensement of the session, gave | and after the fourteenth article following commerce with France, al ten days for the con. | us & reason these matters under negotiation ments a8 to what should be bindiog on Eng: sideration of a dccument wi for four months had | taking the form of a treaty. Tne noble lord fina, come, down to the twentieth article, the engage- Deen £0 completely studied by the country that many | said it was owing to the peculiarity of the French | menis which shall be binding on Franco, while it is - of its defects bad been discovered, and Mr. Pitt had | constitution, that peculiarity being this—that the Sove- | vided that the treaty shall not be valid ‘tll ber Brhane even negotiated a supplementary treaty by which those | reign of France can enter into treaties of this natare | nic Majesty shall be empowered to carry out defects were remedied. And that is another hint which consulting his legislative chambers, intorcated | the articles of the treaty. the honorable member for Finsbury may avail himself of | though they are in transactions which so much affect the | gentleman taike of cur the government proposes to submit that Question to you; but they think that it ts fit ana desirable to addall the moral weight it can cain, in order that the great purpose for which the trenty hasbeen framed be carried out more ‘ efectucily. The right honorable man thinks he has lighted upon a great precedent wnen he finds that Mr. Pitt had separated his treafy from his budget, ana he me out with great exuitation the tact of Mr. Pitt he proceeded with the consideration of the Castoms acts jn committee, 80, then, here is the true meaning of the rigbt hovorable gentieman’s motion. It appears the real sin of the government in his eyes is, that they have combined the treaty and the budget in one. “Hear, hear,” from Mr. Newdegate.) What, then, ought we tohave done! I want to see what course the of Parliament, as represented by the honorable gentleman eke ee ee me, a — out, (Gear.) 2 unders! right honoral ‘man to say that Seeteweseets fnarters Es considering and assent- aay, bes been #0 moch adverted to House, Laughter.) Let the House remember that when the | taxation of the country. (Hear, hear.) Now, sir, durin; jog to the ‘engagements of the treaty.” What | in February we ought to reduce the di upon French of 1858. is to defend her Majesty if she found herself in Soneent met, the Sovereign had announced ths negoti- | our conversation on Friday Inst ome notice was takers eres ements doer the right honorable ealaentuar wines and by resolution, and to have released @ A derpatch from Rome, dated on the 2lst ultimo, says | a position in which she is mot able to fulfl | ation and ratification of the treaty from the throne, which eee Se it was taken, of the Lezis- fotethe consider that the House of Commons is to assent | great number of other articles coming from France from ‘that Cardinal Antonelij, in reply wo the official despatch of | ber engagements with the foreign Power with | is not our cage thus far. Mr. Fox immediately arose | lative ber of France. J make ita rale, sir, to speak | to every engagement about the Castoms duties, and that duties at all. Surely, the right honorable gentleman: “. renal Paris. which abe has negotiated. (Hear, hear.) If this be the | against this ition of Mr. Pitt, an< protested against | with unaflected respect of the constituted authorities of | each is to be ascertained through proceeding by resolu. | must be aware that it has been the custom for a great Thow from , said— case, and if the only mode in waich the treaty can be | ten days only beirg allowed. (Hear, hear.) We have | foreign countries. (Hear, hear.) I think we may take it | ticn. I cannot arccrtaw what he thinks is to be the func. | number of years, after a duty has been redaced or re- ‘That immediately upon receiving the orders of the | brought before the House is by the remission or reduction | only ten days allowed when the treaty was not even rati- | as a general rule that they would not be constituted were | tion of Parliament, and how far that is to with toxive eflect to the change. It would Sovereign Pontiff, be will place the Nuncio at Paris in a | of Customs duties in committee, and afterwards by the | fied. We have not the advantage of the deliberation and | they not adapted to the exigencies of the time and to the | the function of the Queen as to the treaty. (Hear, hear). | take effect the 7m House on the morning it was Position to communicate the intentions of the Papal go- | passing of the Customs acts, Task the House, how are we | criticism of four months. On the contrary, itis only by | character of the people a whom they exist. But, | What the copstitation requires should be accom, officially anncunced, and fora period of three or four vernment. The moet influential members of the Holy | to deal with these considerable questions which may arise | 2 miracle that, the budget having been introduced on sir, with respect to Chamber of France, f by the fiinctions of Parliament, and should be reserved to now College affirm tbat the Pope holds in readiness a motu | on this treaty, and which have nothing whatever to do Zreprie already ied, realizing the promises made at | with questions of the remiasion or reduction of the Cus- ; but that before Promulgating it Pius IX. demands | toms duties’ (Cheers.) I would, refer again to the that the patrimony of St Peter be guaranteed to | eleventh article of the treaty, which greatly interests— Friday, we were not cal ed on to decide it on the following | am surprised that any gentlemen who are what sre called | its authority, we desire to have submitted to the decision ‘Thursday. (Hear, bear.) And I think that all that bas | ‘advanced liberals” should cither speak in it | of Parliament, and to have fally secured to it. This com- Occurred upon these large transactions thus far has fairly | of that body or exult that they have not had opportu- | priser, first, legislative ganct to those parts of the ehown that I was not irrational when I preesed on the plore their functions. The Legislative Cham- | tre: which require thatto give effect to its ‘af 88. a gallon, we should be charging 58. 10d. a gailon him. lice as! nearest degre of this country—the | House the importance of delsy, and the absolute necessity of France is elected by universal (Ironical | provitions; secondly, the power of expressing | ¥ and wines. we be ‘The ship Luna, lately wrecked on the coast of France, | one which refers to the prohibition of the exportation of | of gtvip; ‘us time to consider in what manner we had | cheere from the ) fk Rac Phere di veined | grey tae Ao AT ROR RM TS NE ie maid, on the coal, in which the Queen engages not to prohibit the ex- | best di with the propositious of such s magni- | Chamber of Prance is chosen by ballt. the Crown upon its advantages or disadvantages, level & tax of 158 y 4 &. Under strock, —_, same rock whereon was wrecked tion of coal. There has been a great deal of discus- | tude. (Hear, bear. Well, upon the 12th of | fromthe samequarter ) The. ‘Cramber of France | in whole or in part; and, thirdly, the power, if they disap- a Gifterential some honorable the Blanche Nef (white ship) Nov. 22, 1120, having on | sion and excitement im various places on this subject; but | February, Mr. Pitt called the attention of the | are sent to thetr seats from distri tz, (Cheer- | prove of the treaty, of visiting the authors of it with con. | gentlemen opposite might imegine the golden age to have Doard three children of King Henry I. of England, the | the ee se eacncay tant bese level a, on ot ——_ erry = on Leet go eget Beatie) er eeu why, a. Cea) Does the was delighted to wad ‘stated on moved into a committee whole House— vanced opin! ‘are triumphant, it be | man claim riiament aD more than first Princes William and Richard, and Princess Adela, eixteen | pight by my honorable and learned friend the ‘member for | the attention of the committee to the consideration of the | recognited that have the idea ofa Combis aeaeet, 107 fy, anata, lave “se tree ladies of the court, and a number of other persons of only anticipated I Belfast. With regard to what wassaid by the noble secreto- | French treaty, in a very ample and able speech, in which | British member Putenwet, (Renewed cheering.) | that the House | I was sorry that ‘amounting in all to 160. The total on board | ry opposite, I could not infer from his 0! ations that he | he considered the instrument both commercially and | But, sir, possibly—I give no opinion upon the matter—the assent, in detail, to each of the clauses of the | thie should bave been his first pT 5 pc ay ‘ae ilies a | fa Ny understood the question; because the noble Secretary Petey and he concluded his speech by corte brews, Legi@iative Chamber of France eo ee ‘inferior to us in po- ete ‘What is it tbat the right honorable gentleman-} giving effect to. (A th.) <Our dumaoe toe thitenioion souls, hom one—Berold, al | referred to a treaty with Russia which had been negotia- | lution. ‘Now, str, that rerotution, the first of twenty re- | litical eagacity or in legistative It may be that does require—for though he has in his speech diverged | up of the treaty andthe may be in two sea- Rowen—was saved. ted by Lord Malmeabury; and the noble lord (Lord J. Ras- | eolutions which Mr. Pitt had prepared, and these resolu- | have not that high sengo of political liberty wi sufficiently into details, he has carefully avoided giving | tepws. We Susider tat af cotetive is en- The London Star, of the 22d of February, says:—The | 8¢!!) seemed to conclude that the case of that treaty was | tione—let me call the attenthn of the House particularly flourishes in this country. Per! Jeast it is my | fall explanations as to the meaning of his inquiries. Now, | tirely out of question, and that ie-one of Priociples we Rev. H. D. Northrop, of the United States, preached last | ientical with that of the one before us. But the treaty to | to this fact—there resolutions were not resolu similar | opinion and I have often it—in the old countries | sir, I contend that so far from having drawn the treaty | want to eee tested by the vote of to-night The second Sanday evening ih the Pavilion theatre, Whitechapel: the which the noble recretary referred , contained only an en- | to thoee which the Chavccllor of the Exchequer has | of Europe political hberty and aristocracy are ioseparable. | from the cognizance of this house, baving abandoned | reason is one baving reference exclusively to the public Place, which is said to hold above four thousand, was | &&ement on the part of her Majesty not to enforce one | placed on the paper, in order that tmay be moved | (Opposition cheers.) But, sir, this cannot be denied, that | the precedent ret by Mr. Pitt, wo have founded our con- | convenience. What woula have been your opinion of us qrowded part throp man | *gainst the other, sgainsithe Emperor of Ressia—any pro- about «sire el EA os come 9 ‘Baglan: one bioiten at tecpee or expertion on shall oe at ‘visit, expecting to return shortly to Ameriog, bein; 5 e Fame time other nations. That is ge fake Charge of the Terk Congregational ctrapel, | ot the case which the 11th article of the present treaty im the committee on the Customs acts. were genorai | @ body of mien, elected under such circumstances, and | cuct in every substantial principle, u; the preced Be tit himself im} onthe louse mot | chorea under sich heroin renee at <p pon =) the = ‘by Mr. Pitt, making Gus allowanes oe ‘those poe they should be entrapped into acco; opinions, or, at any jadices Multitude circumstances and the altered condition of th ing details which they might afterwards regret. The Py. | that plaged "him there,” Sir’ my honorable friend, the | which hag occurred since the time Some 35S aes H a g Ss 283 fi 2 i Bes when Mr. Pitt was mn, New York. His sty o | deals with. Nothing can prove that more clearly than | solutions were drawn large and general, and they were | member for North Warwickshire, (Mr. Newdegate) re- | occupied with similar arrangements. (Hear. gentleman been minister at that time od to all claseca, Dut a especially: bien vorins adapt: | that the negociations in article 19 of the Ofcom. | not reeolutiens, as I will show 10 he House afterwarde, Seared the COE nighs Wik logkingle onic tein toes, | oi, were! the paodeedings Sropsed eee louy Mets | ana tea. be sonte. ste teeneg rite Beamon, the force od ing people. Ais voice ia remarkably clear and well mod- | Merce inserted a proviso which clearly shows the contin. | that could form the staple and elements of a revenue bill. | stance that the most powertul Emperor in Europe, and | announced the treaty in the speech the throne; | circumstances, the prompting of reason, the fear of re. ‘ulated, and it is the general opinion of those who have | &¢Pcy contemplated by the llth article, which so alarms | There were congiderable debates, adjournments and divi- | the most flourighing community in the United States, still | that was not done yj the present occasion; but the | Fistance and of ridicule, would have prevented him com- heard him that if he continnes Preaching here, bis popa. | the country. That is totally different from the circum: | tions on these resolutions. Those resolutions embodied the | profested those opinions in fevor of protection ‘to | treaty which in Mr. Ya time was announced in the | ing down to the House of Commons to ask it to commit larity will equal that of Mr. Spurgeon. fed pentuaeale stances of atsumed identity with the treaty of Lord } pith of the commercial treaty; but the jal treaty | native industry which in this House he has so from the throne, was a treaty that had been | itzelf vitally in to the revenue of the year, and at evangelical and anti-slavery. Malmesbury. Waatie the llth article? My honorable | of Mr. Pitt was limited entirely to commercial considera- | long, 80 ably, and, all must admit, 80 main- | signed four months before; and I was a little sur- | the same time molding any intormation as to his gene- and learned friend called the attention of the House to the | tions and questions of nav ‘Ministerial i tamed. (Hear, hear.) There is a country, which, I ed, considering that the right honorable gentleman | ral financial arrangements. hear) Henske us to fact that the Parliament of this country bad entrusted to | If not so limited it would hope, is not inferior either to Imperial Franco ‘or to that | bas beld offices which have placed him in contact with commit an erfor of the grosest kind, and one if wo the Sovereign the = of (biting the exportation of | ment. But the twenty resolutions of Mr. Pitt were dis- | famous confederation beyond Atlantic to which my | the trade and commerce of the country—I was evinced any mtention to somintt, the House of Commons coals. Under the 11 of this treaty the Sovereign | cussed, am) honorable friend referred, and that is the couniry of | that, on such a question, the right honorable would bave corrected us, by expressing in the most un- has egreed witha foreign power not to exercise that | and towar which we are provd to be members. We have nol been did not look more to the spirit, instead of to what | cquivocal terms its sense ss to the folly of our Proceed- which bas been entrusted to her by parliament. for the | February, Faithful to those principles of protection ty native ind he thought might have bcm the atrict ‘aur of the ob- i ‘Hear. bear.) | Space of ten years. Ismot that a grave question’ I give | immediately Tinsch my hmoreblefricn tp foes Eagland has servance. (Cheers ) I think that no more abeurd Shought that from the very earnest and BO opinion on the policy of the government with respoct | address to the Crown in ans: ated those opinions which France and America sill poral was ever submited to the House of Commons animated manner ia which the honorable and learned \ to that act. I give no opinion on the law of the question. Pps bs Throne, or rather a follower But, altbough Semen Aro # yes commnaiiion caly oil ad. that which the right honorable gentleman asto | gentleman bad addressed the House, a stranger might T am tonight not to mix myself up with any | did it—at least here to thoee opinions, I think it is satisfaction to mode in whic the treaty should be into imagine tbat there was ome great question before 1t (a | Controversies of any ki (hear, hear); butI ask the | to enable his searn that whatever difference there may be amon, ly considering the effects that be Javgh) ; bot after lisiening to the entire debate he was House, ought a treaty inciuding such an article as that, so | what then ree} free trade pricciples, it has come to light, | on the trade and revenue of the by delaying Tee hc eernazet to know what they were diecussing. early concerning the privileges of this House, and touch- | and the address throu; negotiations, that there is the same sym that executive sanction which would postpone ‘able member for Buckinghsmshire assured ing the very of the country, and that article | me to be thy constitutional . Free trate principles | vantege which traders look for the ly | them that it wae not a party question, and be cid pot add Dot a fipancial or a fiecal one, escape the duc considera. | when her may be, and no doubt are, very good things—(miniaterial | ad: of the treaty. ) Mr. Pitt, no any confirmation to the statemsnt when he told them that Sener iee capes ne ae, ae Isay that | of the French, but I may be permitted to say that constitational pogpepapern ms Uberal course atthe | he bad consulted no one but the learned momber for bo oo ance. Still alone, the argument from the 11th article is one which I | I can hard! principles are (opposition cheers)—and allow me | time that he was called upon to negotiste a treaty with | Belfast, who, after all, was not = bad soldier when his my to make Peference to the financial state. | think is unanswerable for the end I have in view—that of | tbe Parliament consists o remind the House that they are much older. (Re- | France; and the right honorable gentleman has very pro- Tae rege Ween Peary waren. He cvuld not find out ment which bas rece bean mode by the Chancellor of | bringing this treaty before the House of Commons—for it (Gear, beer. Bewed cheers.) Now, this treaty of commerce before us | perly vindica‘ed for him the praise he deserves. ae irgm the right gentleman’s resolution, any the Exchequer. And ¥W for a moment I am obliged to re. | never has been from the beginning brought before us ess to the House of to be an instrument which has been devised to | and think that we have not endeavored to depress than from bis speeeb, what was his object, because to that statement it shall be only fora moment, and poe aoe 4 But it hae been held by = au- | took po further steps in the busin tence the voice of our Legislature, Do not let it turn out | greet merits of that distinguished man. I agree that | be was satisfied wat im neither the one nor the J feel that 1 am bound to place myself right with , men who have been eminent in this House and | of Lords had equally passed ‘that in ing it out in fact it has deprived another | whatever be the result and of the measure other ¢! fhe mg Hy color oe Sh OY the » and without reserve, and with the utmost | illustrious in another House of Parliament, that not. | mal but most memorable Legislature of its privileges. (fear, hear) That is what | fore the House ss to trate commerce, those who have | motion. In the speech of the member for Se Seeeens oa eanine Susse why, apparentty, this was an pp HE Es other 1 wish to impress on the feelings of the House to-night. I propounded it deserve Ite, credit and honor compared North Warwickshire there was something real. In it moment on Friday night, I seemed her Majesty been ais earnestly eptreat her Majesty’s Ministers not to force us ‘what ie due to him, who at & period when the be dug up theories that they thought hai been dead Between the House and the amendment of | advised fo take a coure and “unconstitutional, ‘and to any division upon this question. I ask them Vightenment that now exists did not prevail, succeeded | and buried, never more to appear among them. Ho @y Ne friend the member for Essex, which | nevertheless the epgsgement is a complete on: jighest order. ptm gare ote lta nape fend Ae ‘the assent of Parliament to bis treaty id not biame him for the course be hed taken, and amendment I cordial! aes and which, when | so far as tho foreign power is concerned, on the part of her | sented toan address to they will merely, by concurrence and co-operation, . T#.) The right honorable gentleman did not understand the point of view from which ‘Brought forward, I shall eni by, es LO , and that if ber Majesty is able, by reductionsand | went up witl but by their leading agency, bring back the House to that eee etree ie oes speech from he saw these questions; but he denounced the whole After the fioanciel statement of 1 of the Ex. | remissions of duties assented to by her Partiament, to car. ? Mr. path of. public business from which they have, I think, 90 was not observed in our case; but we could thing, did not believe in the treaty or ite principles, and Pag cde Se mel bt Ea he mee ee cae oar ey would be bt forward his: ecient (Hear.) 1 accuse the goverm- | wake the announcement, becanse we had no information | like » man stood up against them. bowevar extravagant the oloming day, ia conjunction with those with whom ] | bound by ith article of the treaty. If that be the | went into committee ment-—I will not use the word “accuse’’—but I would im- | that the treaty had been The bonorab! and erroneous, supporting the motion in the hope that it ave the bonor pasar auslip yess tae the ont ae case—and I give no on it—how much more neces. | those resolutions were eee. matter nothing but inad- | gentleman says we ought to have advised Majeat would get rid of the obvoxious treaty. if he were on the Fests propositions, having given them the most ma- | sary is it that we d , orderly, and methodically | Customs acts, and vertence. It is, however, inadvertence which, if per- | make known the treaty by a message to the House. other side of the Howe—and it was not am tmcomforiable bere coms , Oppear to us ofa dangerous character. | consider all thore questions of reduction and remissions of | into sisted in, will lead to fot Peay eee is @ point of parliamentary law on which we may ome—instoad of carping at the a ne ne eet we. hen s minister announces a great increase in the | revenue; because it_ might that it would be ouly | general principles, then 6 ee a eee cek rel poesia Aden + marta 4 vate, or making victous state at it in the House, he would expenditure of the in the face ln, oa Dy arefusal of the House of fo remit or reduce | ing into all the mint hear.) I phat gt ‘om. | tuch is not our impression. After all the fatrly avow that he thought the treaty a that the avowed defict—when, ‘these circumstances, he pro- | duty that the sovercign could be extricated from an wncon. | manied. mons fat this comme: with France | (ics we have witnessed—so manyas to be almoci innumerable | Queen hnd been badly advised in ering nto that the wot et i Pan m Benen ne yen votre Ay ernst inert Car earen hice chlo wer: should be submitted frankly by ‘Malster t “erease that y) 804 only to make the balance of | (Hear.) these i te necessary 4 ! Hi i i t : |