The New York Herald Newspaper, May 28, 1858, Page 2

ORK HERALD, Convention; thie | stuffs; thie pein, ia 6 ‘by the follo ‘thirty majority, which in the | letter, which Teca'ved on the 1th of Ma ” 1850: on “d would not be held reeponsible for them? A. I never im Umated any euch thing to them. ference wo his. shee ceived from Mr. Stone constituted a vem $57,000? A. I do not; I do not know anything about that I ever received anything from reosive from the Bos- Suy interviews with Mr. Bauks in re- the committees favorable to your did state to Mr. Banks that I hoped give us @® good Committes of Ways and Moans, ther. him the idea that you vorabie committee? A I wished would go imto the subject Banks say in reply to you? A. Ido ymitiee shaped favorably to your pro- partial! report favorable? A. . ou know whather anything was ssid to Mr. S, Pex body im relation to the Committee of Con aped the matter, apon its foal passage ? A. Ido not; 1 was not bere CIRCULATING DOCUMENTS. Q Doce the following cotry appear to the debit of tariff ‘accounts in the cash book of Lawrence, Stone & Co., in : “November 30th, 1857, paid in 1855, 1856 aad expenses, telegrapus, posteges and other clude the following from early in March ,0C0 im movey or A. Ne Q Did you receive any eum from Now York? A. Not trapseotions with either of do not reeollect ‘but 1 do not remember an; Did you not wish to convey to ‘Would like to have a fa to my recoliection. Q Did you ever -bave any the houses to the extent of $33,000? A °F & 80. Tt was partially, Dut not fully £0. weeks previous to its et it would te w verse with Mr. Stone w A. T saw bim freque Use. Did you ever question him as to the course he was do pot recollect asking him the question; course, and I presume he saw mine. inion as to the course take? A. So far aa we talked about it we did; ion. him that his course would not effect a chiect A. Never, to my recollection, a word of that Did you not tell him that mon cg pts ‘ou speak ivel never sald puch.5 word r 8. Elen yo left here? A. t in er your Imponaible for mo to | Umeto Mr. Sam, Lawrence: Toonvorsed with bim fully, HE BAGKS OUT, BUT DETERMINES TO STIR UP TUINGS GENERALLY. | 1°00, ual man wide urind onatiart ss Vier! Our ae | ol with’ view to secure the paeage’ of the Secu desired me Having no desire to enter into avy new with them, of course the hin: | ; of contained in this letter was not | power | fonee; | Taken. If Toould have oblained thoir consoat to go back | "A" u fo ralund usen upon railroad irou actualy laid | pg Memes, hen’ any conversavon with Mr. Mf Tt told him as 1 | tho proposition of the simple abolition of duties onraw | down between July 1 183, and July 1 1856, will vrooabiy ber at peg the matter? — y sir the paes by 8 lary it into the bil « clause sold br Su, Lawrence, ea believed tha ine fr0e prlg ay bea poe Neary php ronda 6 fea ii nif Gudee cn wool and dyes, Ge. &3. we thall oo | yearsago, by Mr. Stone, Me. Mattosom may havo oy & Q Apd does that the books of the New York house [orf dincniedng ps they mast | iat feared that the great apziety of Mr. Guihrio to pass | think will insure tho passage of our taverive messure. We | Di6220 of the tari. A. I will state Meee ee seer utr. Lawrence | ie tarif? bil before he went out of offloe might induce a | Are (ive lu wiarting. but I do honestly assure you thei T think no difference of o| pind Did you not tell from tim Q , yy consumed, they should throw off; ject over unti! a new administration came into power, aod | cay ngh' or Wi would have to be ‘A. So far asl remember I Q. You are positive that he and you agreed as tothe the passage of the tariff? A. I recol. with Mr. Matteson the contents of the letters you wrote to relation to this money. A. I morely wrote we had paid those amounts to Mr. Wol- ‘still in the hands of the Roston house? upon would not conilict with like tent; hence I went to work systematioaliy to render the likely te aboilshed. if ever he is converted ia my untion He said, “I am bere, aud want something douse.” ( Yeootien | the jealousy of the woo! growing interest; second, the jea- promoting loot of no disagreement, Q. Did you bave an} while you were ". Did any inember of Congresa aay. that would . Did any mem! aay have to be uted in order to secure the passage of A. Bek tome. a jor intimate approached bere to indicate money ; [ mean to say by that, that never apy conversation with any member of regard to money being used. Q. You came here in the employ ment of the Middlesex or Bay State Mills Company ? of no party or company Q. Then you came Q. What were your interests? A. woollen machinery for manufactures, and also a dealer in raw materials used in manufactures; it was my own in- terest which brought me here. Q. Did you at any time loan any money to any member the House? A. Novor, not a dollar. Q. Nor any securities? A. Nor any securities; 1 wasnever applied to for & loan. 'Q. You decline to tell us about the money you got from Mr. Stone? A. I havo never intimated that I received a dollar from there. ‘ou decline to answer further? A. I feel that jecline untu I take the advice of counsel. After consultation the committee decidea to give the opportunity of consulting counsel, and upon mo- Feprvary 11, 1858, The commitiee met at 10 o’clock—present, Messrs. 3tan- ton, Moore, Wright and Russell. WOLOOTT CONSULTS COUNSEL AND MAKES A STATEMENT. J. W. Wolcott again appeared before the committee. Q. Did you receive from the firm of Lawrence, Stone & Co. some time in March inst a sum of eocurities or money to the amount of $33,000, more or Iona? ‘To this question the witneas submitted the following an- ewer in writing: — I did not in March last, or at any time, receive from Law- revce, Stone & Co. any money or securitios of any amount of influencing, or to be used in i directly or Indirectly, the or of of the present or the last other act or measure considere contemplated to be before It; nor ly. apy money or pect member of an; services in the passage of, or to int in relation to the tariff or any other law; nor did I ever ve any money oF securities to any person for the parpose paid to any officer or mem! Congress f induence, ¢lrecdy or ind‘rectly, upon any act under Congress; nor have { y conversation A. 1 think I . Woleott since that time gone into the bank- business? A Yes, str. considered a mse of moans before employed as? A. He was a sales- @ small interest ia the house of Francis Skin- any other visidie means of support? A. 1 was not acquainted with him be- into this banking business, did not itgelt to the Boston house that it would be examine how he had expended the moncy one of thefirm? A. But I Wen very nl- idea suggest itself to your mind that the beexaminea? A. I was alway: expenditure of money, and I did aot meddle fou not tell Mr. Fay that when you saw the in the drawer you purposely avoided ex- Decause you did not wish to come in pos- the knowiedge of how the money was spent’ you receive a letter from your firm while here relation to the passage of the tariff, in whith they al- the necessity of the empioyment of money to A. Ido not remember. SOME OF THE LOUBY MEN. Q Were any other parties bere using their influence to secure a modification of the tariff sct during its pendency, ‘according to your views, except Mr. Wolcott, Mr. Siade and yourself? A.J. W. Edmonds, of Boston; Samuel Lawrence, Horatio N. Siayter, of Providence; Mr. Thomas, of New York; Mr. Brown, of Philadelphia; and Mr. Laag, of Maino, were here. Q Do you know whether they employed any parties to aid them? A I do not. there any wool brokers from Ohio or the West bere, using their influence in your behalf? A. you know whether the expenses of the wool who were here were paid by the manufacturers? you act in concert with the geatlemen who were the same business as yourself? A There was no combined effort whilst 1 was here; when we met we pes Sapa Do you know of your own diture of mopey by them to secure the object you had in view? A. I donot. THE KOWELL COMPANY Q Deo you know of any other manufacturing companice ‘ocure the passage of the act? A. L have no knowledge of my own on the subject; I heard of A, I was never < K, | mothing done now, “But,” continued [, “ask Eigse te the. eet sree aoe eae ree Piroug ehongs 10 carry 898 our backs. No, say yes’ | Presidential election upon ws, and t 4 they put a tariffon whatever they ‘and I conceived 1 wantautbority, and without delay, to pledge the | settle, apd nothing can be dose in the matter ‘this at that the proposed bill did both, imaamach as all wool cost- —- Rpt 50 Conas0 So cach the moment ball § sorniopmer pra wengpe Prayer session”? That - lca- ’ nt uty 'ree has been Presi bstan: Hbably gota modiice. | ing less than twenty and more than forty or fifty per coat. | Course I mean i addition to the heretofore agreed et nme oor ferteog cage 9s belenn ote ERss prod taken off of wool has a sheep will oppose you, and 09 one Mr. Abbott Lawrence was vei with these views, and remarked that worth coneidering. Zz 2. i A. Toame hereas the agent much struck | mest for such over valuation, there was uo restraiat on FI 3 ei i veiantarily ? A. Leame voluntarily. were well ld two things— , a — y, faruher to Mr, | Consequently, in effect, all wool was admitted duty free. | at once to leadin Dartice and say $30 000 io ensh haw I thick I remarked f Under theee circumstances {t was manifestly unjust for | pledged ona is, pay in how i Sem. Lawrence, ‘let ro ata hake —— the representatives of wool re to allow such an | vf success, and ‘be moment tbe Presidaat algns it and no pay Q. Do you know whether anything was paid the wean tate in such mumbers, aad outrage to be perpetrated om thetr constituents; and I went caged + ee stated to them this, as I considered, monstrous pied of ft , see the Coiling line beat the British lind, and contribute nite Le lat ae Mr. Campbell: Ot ene tne ere oral ene amt M7 oF three of hemore liberal | my "knowledge ever paid even for an advert > more stil | of Ways and Means, and told him that it would be foolish | In tbe commencement S; | wo ailow the bill to be reported; that if be opposed it ih Bo say I Sonercos.eadtihe biticame wuhia | WHR bis influence it could not’ be reported, and he "Perhapnow thet you see Gail T had the honor to tell | Proeidential election, when |’ met Mr, Stone. age he Lal’ y . ‘ . tho patriotic | thet rate ‘ot |30 ‘por cent for two, addiuonal years; | Fealsed most exwciy you wil take my ooinion on this oc. | KOE LO Yole Itold him | @e rate 30 per cent for two ts ond ts for Fillmore; we did not say anything about the ta 7 if - z but send no to We the Collins line folks were #0 gross in their that many men, who, like Gen lel if [ j the increased commerce of the coun! afraid to vote for it, and voted wi Jeet they might be suspected of havging around of being defeated, notwithstendit motives ‘which were, enlisted in its behalf.” lobby wo Washington, bot cepesd tpea the (uranic mente | a2!vania of Dor present protouon, and that ag the Eros | Soyer fie itehlore tcc tot atcnam wor ps e of their measure ana the honesty of _ owe ga sy ble to infer that worse terms would not be offered during | not to detall—can do'nd good toanyboay.” Eruiy'youre sonia gen pag hemnipiiieiiractiehtnieisicabe met his fuily. his administration than those pow about to be imposed; A i if he would | roe pe create Loan Orwuich, heikiew away it be eo, | believercortaln it ir, no arrang-aent was mude; we broke ates persen consent that shou) bey, but that we should | YA! a o ; ? terested in the passage of the bill, about enlist nay decade: epee fede teanc for its success, and | Coded to the reporting of the bill from the committee. I | off, and, as Mr. Stone save. we were ‘‘apar.”” infineace af ne “Ratbone, and contributing fag B that when it weat through he should pay mo for my ser. | oi Wi to Mr. Letcher, of Vir. Q. You say in the lettar that you want to pledge the vices such a sum as he consideret reasonable. In case it tee on Ways and Means, and to Mr. wes “ 3 versation in the world;I never knew that there - Was pot successful I would not ack a dollar—not avioliar | gia, a member of that committee, and also, I think, to | payment of $15,000 az $25,000, the moment the bill i | {°C vereation berwees Mr. Matteson oF any mem eb gF mining them, ‘seseion of > |, they should send no & 2 i that they should poi expend a dollar; cy I told him I would tale ene canoe, orto mee ‘ee oad ee to me, and at that time po A eae dae ng od So DS sect. nantly with Mr. Campbell, that no bill that would suit the tariff | the $25,000 “heretofore agreed woon!”’ A. I nover pro- give do yy A replied say os or aoe, {B | mon couid be passed, and that he could better serve the | mised to any one money—-not any one. additionally thas { never Reard or suspected that them and their friends, aud that if they gave me $10,000 Tehould be gratified, but that $5,000 would satis think that my compensation was then fixed at mate, a quiet floating debt of tw. aaee Neen. batt tan be hniotaken, for mang yours | 2Ollars, incurred under various Indian treaties and in | recollect no such authority ou ury occasion being given ‘and I kept no memorandum. He wrote | “¢ shape of annuities and annual payments of various 4 of it Mer n Nevember or December following, sorts, to be paid in money or goods, which had been acou- | vices? A. Yes, sir, I did so; it would have made mo rich Q Whea were you last in Washington? A. On will wy to find for the committee, be sete varecitealy what he ¥ le for, geeted that all woo! fle asked me efile af 7,800, | | ‘lowing treasury; that there > na aeegr Fe wished’ the | h& pat ‘ag stipuinted, or invested ia stock for the benefit of Q. Do you not recollect stating to the cemmitt 6 that ‘among other things sug. : : Se tens retained in the treasury and annual appropriations made | your compensation, you told him that $10,000 would gra eeaaba Beer tics, ea Tah all epee chao Shite, | for the payment or interest upon ft 1 toid him that by | tify you, but that '$6,C0O would watisfy sou. wad that ho | Wet is the only ims I have been here since the winto therein enumorated, shoul be free. Mr. Abbott Lawrence mar! versation that treasury would be ¢epleted, be would go with the tide | marked then tbat the matter nad occurred some six - v ae aeeehtelat wae oneiamreaeut ae tee sud eave the ship, and the commercial and manufacturing | years ago, and thai I could not well remember what had pa hg dara) fe tee frwaring Ste groucd that it would be a substantial relief tothe manufac. interests would be vastly bonofitted by having this | occurred. met A Lt knew weteg Gf Oe kee, tt coarser woollen goods, such as carpets ‘ ot was now up and useless. I said substantially the | than the one you bave referred to? A. Ido pot recollect Beth, end al cnr cine harold | Sag" Gein siting, cay eeianmelaur | tyler ena tin very km ‘un dps tot | alr thy eat nny Rag Sh fon prints if tho duties on dyes and dye stuile not over toa democratic Congress and you cas then got asub- | being brought up again; I certainly saw him often. reports In the newspapers all that winter; I left } P 7 y Poe be Jac stantial reduction instead of the sham one now offered. I | — Q. You say im your letter:—First, “Do not delogi™ and York on the 1th of Siouary, 1857, i ' England men ‘to wid him that the bill Evins somite ‘us a reduction in | second, ‘Go at once to lending perties, and say $50,000 io through the Weat, and returaed on the 28th of Foorw the consideration of contributing money to Q Whatcompany was that? How much did they contribute? A. Some me that the Lowell company contributed $5,000. |. Did you understand that $5,000 as « part of the $79, a6 additional to it? A. It must have been in addi- A. The Lowell company. fe sent which the House in this instance has legal right te | If, acting under sucha compel a witners to ans 2 saying that be did not use at all, coming from any quarter to infinence, directly or tn- ly, the action or vote of any member of Coneress, and be bis sever paid an; duced iu this country were taken off and the everlasting desire of the New fx” prevailed, sts of ‘8 comm! ties or the House can uestion as this, except by cotlon—but how? By stril rectly or indirectly’ any when urged by the large rait ‘ell company the same as the Bay State renee wees Br, Eigerten, ‘of Ohio, putting down to twenty, and if we wanted it to fifteen, per | pay in the event success, and the moment the Presi- March) was the Saboath, aud tbe vd crt mie from | had just entered at’ the South; that we bad sang manu- | you refer to by " Foledo down to the Wabash valley and out through In. | 'ectories in Virgibia, Georgia, the Oarolions (and Mr. Ban- to Mr.’ Sam Tawrence, 1 said, “Here, if you sucosed it | tp the burial ground oo account of @ severe suo sto have the duties thrown off of railroad iron. Finally, in- | Bett, Of Missinsippi, was present, added oae at Mount | wili & great lor you, an event e few last dey of the session, and 1 am confident—these d. stead of the manufacturers making a clear seepeanted for | Holly, in bis own ), several in Tennessee, St. Louis, | thourand dollare will be a great thing to me,”’ he replied, Deing fixed in my mind—that 1 heard nothing of the t the abrogration ot the duty on wool and dye stufls, Mr. 3 4 Inthe winter of o2or "53 | teat they were just struggling inio existence, whilst the | penses;” and I thought so too, and told him te go to other | YOO Af? Staion) afterward im my news! on 8 any one for sucha cur Was ther derstanding bet the 1: as there an understanding between Lowell eee tere. company , the Manchester cor facturing companies and your Dear the expense of securing the passage of the tariif? A. I do not know that there wa any understanding or agroe ment ip regard to it, bot I always supposed that the ex- led iwterested. itbad there been such and the other manu- diana and Illinois, and was making an earnest that you would jointly committee or the House the ani 5 may tend to prove the alleged improper latiuencing of me-n- in some official duty. sas much beyond the jurisdiction of the fort the isbolition of the ‘duty on wool costing leas than | New England people bi fourteen cents and on dye stuils and upca ali railroad | Willing to strike down the duty on coarse cot.ons to if- | want to go to others; I went to a house like Lawrence, it mitted a the 'Commbiee “of the “Whole and 1. thick was | duly 00 five goods remainiog at what it was; that such aa | paid. credivors of the Orystal Palace offered as an amendment to an appropriaiion bill . Kdgerton and succesded. fi defeated — thro of its supporters with the Beg House, Mr. Letoy. | tieé and all sections; and which would strike st the finest | man who printed a pamphlet for me, | do not koow it. Tend t did poteay 1 bad Deh. Mr, " . | goods menufactured in New England, as well as tho Q. Well, you say in the commencement, “ ba Blecrum i Ev tuwed the Vote fo be taken 00 ier tsa, Gauave of hoes eeseen et Goluira ai desired, induce me to let out my efforts. See dio Coy epee pig om a i i et de wd of eight ‘ailiices in tue | 2. Not that you mht have Same expend in pro Q. You never heard Mr. Matteson Gg “ow tap wd ey a opr apne frp te) ee | WG hha van te vee a ade ae recently was some fix weeks ago, as passed thro House. and of couree of the committee, as yond their power to investiguie ‘sovial relations of any other citizen, without uch a charge or implication of cu: rupt Congress or any of ite men. > ‘Wasmyarox, D. ©, Febroary 1, 1858, lecline giving any furthor answer to the Q. Do you decline giving a A. I offer what I have just read as a full answer, and as the only answer ican make the quss- Would you not have kno: an agreement? A. [ reedded in New York and did mot know anything about it 101 allempt to Q. Conia you pot lenrn from your Boston partners? my ee tariff rewain where it was until a free trade democratic | Q. You talk in your letter about your aumeroas em- Dg cy Ry! Y cnaieny Copgrees came in, whish would deal fairly with all par- | ployée—who are they? A. If it in another man than the pean nen ayy i 4 you ever a Q Do you not know that the Lowel! company contribut. ed $5,000 and the Manchester compao' I bave bo personal knowledge of it, some one told me that the Lowell company bad contributed $5,000. Q Had you never any covversations with your partners odivure of the money? A Lan regard to money expended by MR, STONE LETS CP MATTRRON A LITTLE. By order of the committee the foliowing letter from W. to his testimony — New Yors, March 5, 1853. Bow. Bars Praytos Cusreuas — Dean Pin-T feel obliged to your committee for allowing Mr Sheridar to bring my tewtimony here to be revised gave it under cireumstasces waich allowed b Teflecuen the questions from fire member er, of Virginia, rose, and taking up the ical answer to the inally reported from the Committee in reference to the ex or unqualifiedly, m ‘otoott. LOBBY REVELATIONS—ROW THR WOOL, RAILROAD AND SLAVERY INTERESTS HARMONIZE OCCASIONALLY, A. R. Corbin sworn—Q Where do you reside? A. I bave lived in the city of Washington for the last fourteen years, but I still regard myself as a citizen of St. Louis, Q. State whether you bave any knowledge of any efforts being mace by the woollen manufacturers or others c>n- nected with the woollen interests to influence the legisla. tion in regard to the duty upon wools or woollen goods, or dye stuffs, since the passage of the tariff of 1846, and if so, what is your know edge concerning the same? A. The first efforts bere which particularly attraeted my attention were made in the agitated session of 1550, and in coanco- tion with an attempt to pars the [ilinois Central Railroad Dill into a law; through eiforts of my own, Colonel King, of Alabama was induced to insist upon the union of the Mobile and Cairo with the Cairo and Chicago railroad bill, and Judge Douglas gave way and consented to such a union, that interest then became a very formidable on and was instantly approached by the tariff men to a) them in seouring the modification of the tariff; what lithe property I then bad, baviog been some yoars Illinois State bonds, 1 took @ ery deep interest in the success of the bill, and wae therefore much with ita friends; so far as 1 know it bad no lobby agent here save one, and that one ent of the old Cairo Company, which party did not A John A. Rockwell was its agent; Col. King, as I ed much — = a ee - knew enong’ the rules of the allowable moment to ada thetr amendment to the substi. | | thitk Mr. Houston, of Alabama, opposed it; an tote, 04 Gn china bath, The vote was taken k Nesey Mantiy | deferted (whether in the House or in Committce of the | | have never promised any man, in powor or out of power, | Tet Tvs en something in the bewapajere Of W ir. er's sul ; for upon a " ) “ Gaming 00 mo ena tolling toe what was being done, wld movements on my part, Mr. Store, aa I said before, |G. Have yous reply 10 this letter? A. Ido nat recol- | Larrenees ane & Co em Se ee tetrad bim t go at once to the House and request one oul em he id giv thousand dollars; | was given beyond the amount first given. J fend prone, 1am ihe sue Me, | a ee a a ata, | “oeipio what you men te Wat hy the exprenion | Sune 4 $e wil dm the word” Wal was the | oe ne totee tho wummaitute bet’ hene, | thas be cannot contradict this; I did not aid th the contrary took active measures with all these several | of from $15,000 to $25,000 in carh,’” a adopted, and further amendments were out of order. . ear! aay, ‘‘the woollen manufacturers will hay Shen the wool and tron tatevente were Gefeated boanues of partuse to accomplish the defeat of the tariff bill; the mem. | to be ccnnected with aby condition of failure or success. | 7’ yore The ad to pay,” or something Iie this the unfamiliarity of their supporters with the rules of the *. 1 4 , the} oum,_tam an ena nrg and ptire marty. Woy | tau uf he een wan publsied the newmapera of | oti fener be bearded per mum aoe moe du | MEME wooed cir money, nor The measure for throwing of | New England that Mr. Leteber, by some amendment he | lars, if the bill» ed; and in thatevont, what would | oo '-. ‘1 op deposit or otherwise, and T did not’ sup) ifs not prodaced in ly not = man in the | Tests; to defend Mr. Letcher from this assault, and also to | competent ior itie. . woollen men; Curing the time this subject was actu Hows won dppened, wen Deel Uy & combination With 0 justly the wool interests represented by Mr. Stone and | | If this money was tobe wholly appiled in the way | 7° ong : in in 1964-55, Mr. Instoad of seeing | Obilds, of lo ding upon ite own | Leteber givio our to review it. 1 red. Those I have ‘ust the commities will mnoaey to memoers: Now. I did nos mosm to way that he PAY money dirertly tomem>ers Be maid, aa | testified, that Aout twenty five members sould de iafuennsd fhrowsh their fonda cad thie wee went to the Senate and fell the dutiee on coarse wool and d) my wind when I answered y this country, and to which pro! ‘Aout two oF Lhree Weeks ence, Ad probably send my tostimony ist Thad testified to, and 4 not diseeat from tt. weaker measure Pp agai rence looked a little sour, moriie, end One tuat could, Ne eaalty carried by itaslf, be | tatthe amendment in question was offered through the | prudence to make the outiay, and thus multiply the combina. | #e@n¢y of Mr Seward, and was not the fault of Mr. Letoh. | chances of the succers of a measure #0 important.” A @ You were sa member of the last House? A. I oder MY | sented to the committee through the agency of | | feel in this way: that a measure should depeud upon itt wanted insisted upon taking up the whole subject of a Governor Seward; I sent that letter to Mr. | merit, and ifs man originates ap ides which is jusi, aod sation with any member of the firm of Lawrense, tariff ip connection with the Pennsylvania railrosd iron men. My views ate. fam yuite sure thet he a ough their friends," a the commitire to let m testimony eowforti to thi No be just aad trusmral. “Yours, very reepecttollye thoughit that it had been defeated because th W hronR tion was not strong enough, aod became rest 4. W. Wolcott eworn—Q State to the committee your milk and water method of treatment, and to ¢ residence eed o.cupation one yearago? A. My residence le @ the city of Roxbury, adjoining Boston, Mass. year go] was connected with the house of Fran: Co. daring the recess between the sessions of the day, though withoet my same to it. Lrote to | for it. _ Hai ea ‘hin “ut couctr | My, Soue lng. what I bet dey and rocevod tie | “You ray, te aekug for 825,000 more, of ooree | Grn Thats prkape ght use Shy that any effort to in- | letter enclosing one thousand dollars in reply :— mean in adéition to the $25,000 heretofore agreed upon!’— | Gis ict'ts a'very strong wool manufacturing district, & @ As ® partoer or saleeman’ A. 1 was properl Coing business in raw materials, my own account you in Wasbington daring the last session of how much of #? A. I was ip the seasion of Congress; I came here in the carly part of January, arriving oo @ Sunday. it was either the last day of January or the fret cay of i 13, 1357 crease the tariff must, the present condition Ceti When Rew Yous, , when ohenté be very large amount of money is !nvosted in manufacta blic sentiment, fail, and that it would be | ApR:CQRM™, Peano san ea sned me that wee the original agreceent as to whet obi uy time to attempt it. They persisted and Lhore you have sents strong document to Mr Lin’ Drought tt op, my feeiings had become deeply entisted In | showing clearly thet the cotten manu! favor of throwing off the duties o conflicting with our own, and off in this country; and I therefore told Mr. A regu would be che | measur ot rt: 4 Bot thiol of Ni: that my tree trade frieeds: would only | Washingicn for one thousand dollara. tm sccordance wih egree to aid him upon into cottons and woollens protection Sort octane io" twenty por teak at then ey Renans |. The weollen manufacturers have got a good half of « | was my ‘otention that I should be paid for it cheap wool and dye stats. T told him that I bel ort his proposition b; rngiand vote it could members in electing the moti desired, in return promwing to railroad bill; to any — strongly opposed: Jud, dyes and Serum to the new Congress Sueh apaper would aid much in ooi- owed own faye but promise it to somebody cise? A. | - \ Decemnary Fy Sncumres Werpret the letter we LS ag pa belie, to this ¥. id thre estimony from democrats way: it wae written in order to induce him w give mo 1 could do to ince | thy 5 well to Jet ft pasn thi Linn ® | and bad a conversation with him on the subject, I re Th S nae Sree s | the money in the event of the passage of the bill; { intend were in Washington did you have any in- tne tercourse with the mem bers or officers 0” the last Congress: ts connection with the parvage of the tariT’ A. I had in- tercourse with members, but not with officers. WOLOOTT ARGUES THE TARIVY QURSTION WITH CONGEREMRN. Q. What was the natare of your communications or cor. Teapon A. The nature of my com munication with them was what | hed to say in reference of the tariff at that time. 4id you present to proposed changes in the tari? A ‘The only inducements | held out to amy member or any: body was the Denelit which | conceived would arise to the country from the proposed change mentatively? A. Yes, sir. the condition of cutting deeper than his friends | truly, would support « lieved all parties would # ified: ane « o 5 ft had a strong New them 'o suetam the jnciple necessary; at this time! iat the tariff bill could pot that it could pass; my opia- 57 Pe | we will io [ i iH A He ag gs > Ne —s88 ct i & 5 i E i i : i 2 i EEE z5 z 58 2 ) be paid to members of Congress for the purpose of in- to be paid to their agents. their ‘benefit? A. Nor for their benefit, ‘satisfaction of previous arrangements or satiafaction of previous arrange WOLOOTT BROOME REPTIV RA LITTER | PRIVATE HOS receive any securities at any time toring — fs Wa Sd Dy TS Aad “ ove ion @ Did you for any fA = sor Woll, that would be a ‘Matter of strictly private business; I did mot for the pur- | mem bers of Congress or their agents — = é fs Poe ii Fs* H ee - 3 F 2 s | Ha hi 5 Ee i 3 : ie i i i 33 3 iz3 =? Se & * i t 28 38 =f = ° i : i 7 g 2 H H s HH LF H FL a2 E i i ig F 2 | $ et i i it tf t \ ff if? f i Ht i = z i asf 2 : i a g 8 i 3 f 4 E i i i i i : i h 38 ii iM i li = z § i i i i & i | E i i FRIDAY, MAY 28, 18bé. ‘ Nuw Yeux, May 19, 1856. 5 ) : letter was written to make Lawrence gaa has returned we for a scheme of mine whiz was to bencht: them One HON, MASNA GREELEY ON THE STAND, Sarupay, Feb. 27, 18 1 was curious | Ways and Means at wi we hepe soon to hear from ; the t Horace Greeley sworn. ‘exceeding strovg tha shape of” bil feat will meet with bat lite op- rt ing Q Are you acquainted with any of the members of were caused DY | Eo"ciori lo getrtw materiale free, and absll look for your | ihe veil frm of Lawrence, wwone & On? A. Tau acquainted or by some real | support, as you can give it uader present circumstances, and | and so of Mr. Stone of New York city. , one of the abiest | if we succeed 1 eball feel desirous that youand all vihers whe | take more treaaury Q. Aro you acqnatoted with Mr. Matteson, a mom): ‘was Mr. Child, of | have aided us shalibe compannnind. Further than | as Mr. Edmapde now secs, the Treasury cannet be | the House? A Yes, sir. te this you know Tceanot go. a dotermined to do nothin, in a condition lessen the revenue durirg the next Q. stato whetber any proposition was made to ar ‘Buro end about the latter part of summer or fall Darrassmenis coutigueduriug | t@ the Cepoelt of movey io your hands, anio: i i to Let our cotton sud woollen manufacturers | duping we recess between the two sessions of Cop ean i £. 3 ‘s { Fi i E 5 H £ : ‘wi! have been A. I newer heard of such « thing. about this that Tdesire to see you so much For | of it; J cannot say be did not, by any union with either the free traders or tariif mea. | Fensoua that 1 4 arsonsliy 1 with to take | ‘State these interviews The contest went on, but] no success was achieved. [at | certain yin oes ocean ake cme hint — said oes say se ee reen the " . [wes inmy room at the National Hotel, wh: > | concession on the part of the free traders thas would be | jpitilisentand energetl> action oan vet command success. TWA rn om toat?'’ | entirely unwise; I believed that if we oould hold the sub- | tment it'we Woot wri be ta once oo, Tues. | an Td hare eer oF kor enacts ce ednesdsy’ morning: pray soe wm sud cars | me w lotior of mine. which stated that Congresa wauld| he democratic party be in a majority, that wo oou!d get Bimself whethor 1am am. ilea neuner he 3008 ’ Pe taxation of the dari’ to an srotedingly desirable sx. | mot reully boicve thet the aultes on'woot and'dsorets are notbicg about the tariff; that it was {dle to talk of retaining 30 per cent protection and yer get * I was about this time two years ago.) ‘I have counted u eager bill, hegre Sally became pam, ed and fn ‘dyes! then we are for the fight. Alcan A pall you ae a friend of the manufacturers, and we are do sibility. eflect 148 defeat | endeavored tv arouse, thet Wagan on Bevery » Ab pea Ue je railroad ed and ruined, and cannot get along without legistati| lousy of the ironmen, and third, the jealousy of the Seuth- | but Wm. H Aspinwall himself ‘will tell it ts true,) ‘we and we must bave it to help the Lege a 9 oe this | o°D interests, there no Substantial concession, asl | give zou glo 0W0 if you will carry our measure, and pay yt ae Beek ne war Tesmied expen f more nd what 1 Al riewd; jegielation neces: orks | Concelved, to Une South Ta (Be reduces oe Cue thea: | manmoamasedtiy: fort haa been neoured, aud yet wa are dow | andi have always held aod aid that the woollen m: cottons. took was to empty the Trea. railroad, sary and thus reader a reduction of the tariff impossible. | witk’woot and dyes wii hurt Ao it will but we are: Tia, | MAUreRS oannot get along without it; but T see ¢ =e a was to be duty free, which was a finesse, as it contained epoe. © Wen cain mn provi whing juation. wool coming really believe we can the bill without this additional 'y thing said to you at those interviews teal ths constey worth store Gam (weniy ols, ooald be expendicare; bat ile 0 Opioion the part ot ordinary | (be meane to be used in oflescing the passage, of Bagi: hep or Mies State, cad ae there. wee ne Deaie’ Of the nccens ‘a measure 60 im y In cuss you agree other than such as you and I would talk about the in ence of newspapers; he objected to my saying anyth! ‘sgainst action; but nothing was said about money in ‘those whose interest it was to make that over valuation; Sy Se quem eo oetens ” inne veges wee way hens te br a ental ne nity using its influence in vor 1o Ty to Me. Galloway, of Obio, and Mr. Stanton, of Ubio,and | {nd "and shall havoWMea, psii therefor. it would ear | nothing was paid, tor saything’ suggested about b the satisfaction of myself and of way numerous emplovon if | Paid, nor offered to be [ald. “thers was nothiag commencement I told you that it was to your inte. | ment, and nothng ever came to the editors in aay w hly—not lege than’ $60,000, though {| I shink the recess of Congress, except om the moruing of }, and I think he toid me he was going to ¥ pe f , that if he stood firm it would take twoyears te strip Penn- | ca#ion to ite fullest om pope os prego Pid g and there has been be communication betwoon any té muccesa. i8 not success worth paying | ber of the firm of Lawrence, Stoas & Co. and mysolf CORBIN. Q Had you ary conversation, or do you kaow of : Witness—I did not seo Mr. Lawrence on that oocasion, I conversation, with Mr. ‘Matteson oF ani PGeae then went to Mr. Campbell, of Ohio, Chairman of the Com- SOMETHING ABOUT $25,000 NOT PARTICULARLY CLEAR. for that purpose? A’ I never hear. guch a ¢ 000 heretofore agreed UPD; | o¢ Congress, and Lawrenoe, Sioae & Co., until I: it im the newspapers this wixier; apd I wish to 5 Mr. Phelps (though he may have been sick with the fever | pasccd, in addition to the 8: ‘ Dut certainly to the two first, and iasisted, | !n what manner was the arrangement made by bestowing his Iabor in bebalf of an atienopt at | Q. Ttappears ‘rom that lettor thai you had already | fad (peen bald, to inease any aellon om the tit Oy country the floating delt of the nment out of its over- | beep authorized ¥ vee 625,000—who authorized you to mo; I | Paving the floating 0) cing to my eat. | expend tbat much? \A. Thai was for pay for sorvicos, [ | SF%+in tay own paper), of the Middiesex or Bay 8 of fifteen miliions of | suppose; he never gave me authority to expond money; I pace oye ghee) ee ps are ‘Q. Was it your intention to charge $50,000 for yuar ser- | 1: 600 made @ noise of course; that was the firat I he iq | mulating since the Mexican war, and which, instead of be- | if we bad succeeded. second day of July, 1866; not since until you cailed diane, bad, for inck of legisiation, been necessarily | when Mr. Lawrence ani yourself spoke on the subject of | bere.s day or two ago; I was here for a few daye ud the paying this money according to treaty stipulations, the | then fixed the sum somewhere about $7,600? A. Tre | °°" 1, you know of any combination of any kind ess in which money was te ‘and } twelve or fifteen millious of dollars inthe market, which Q. Had you any interviews with Mr Lawrence other not here or within reach at ay time wheu the vari on a iecturin; ‘our best interests, by | cash has been pled, on a solitary coudition, apd Wat is— to flud my only non just dead; the next day (tbe lat , PS 24 of March cent all coarse goods, upoo the manufact»re of which we | dent bi Moy in Set a enn ak ee was fixed for the funeral, but wo could not take the b. aad wre Wigeiod my, 208 Sp He 34 ot a Pee wes Mo.; Todiana, illinois, Cincimnati, Obio; and Kentucky; “that bis establishment ought not to pay all the ex- until toe seasion was over; I bad some discussion v made theirs strong, and were | parties interested and get them to bear a part, I did not concerning the tariff, but 1 knew ox ; ‘had ii, | teen or twenty per cont if we ask it, but insisted onthe | Stove & Co., and what they promised I know would be po eh id gt trey ect would be unjust to us and that we had better let the WHAT WOULD INDUCE CORRIN To “LET OUT AN EYKORT.”’ meeting be came to me and ‘I bad to use y sir,” be rep! told you Matteson came W once tp New York, and eaid, in substance, what I teai to him, and with tbe consent of the Commitiee of Ways | sey Inow.” What did you moan by thai? A | moantby | Val oS vi i: 5 appeared in the New York Times aa if \ bat that they should make such a temptation for me, and graphed from Washington before he gave the testimor receiving money?’ A. The only time | sa CO ee Oe a No i, | Utes returning from the West; I met bim at the cars, it was | mosey in the event of the passage was surprised that he was there instead of being at W Whole lam not sure) by one vote; prior to these active | or paid a man a cent in my life for any such purpore. Lawrence, Stone & 00. investigation, Taal to him, ¢ ything bad desired me to aid them, and bad said to me that if | | ect of any; I will see; Dut certain it is that uo authority | ooo. a dys No, sir,” replied he, “1 newer had : but on | “I want authority, and without 4 to pledge the pay stance of tbe conversation, so far as it related o this t it does not weem | ter; ttb ik I heard Mr. Matteson, when I was here bave mentioned tn the course of my testimony will | A. Here is the general anewer to all such questions: This pith ect ‘words, for sach an alperation of vouch for the activity with which I persecuted it; at the | wasascheme originated by me, by which these peopie tari ag they require; but be never ‘that 1 so: ir eervice, nor earn offered, attempted to work injory to the cotton inte | It be for them to pay me $60,000, which would make mo tm to be connected with nor authorized to apeak for r. Siater, of Rhode Isiand, | sat down and wrote w Mr, | you mention, (ben explain thir bascage in your lotter: © T ba hn) eer erleonehseane we ty a i), a letior authorized and divuated by Mr. reaily believe We can ‘the Dill withous this additional gubject whatever true history of the affair, and showing | expenditure; but it i, in my opinion, the part ot ordinary | #upIeeL miMtorir | Oreamus B. Matteson, eworn. er, or #0 far as I knew of the wool men, but had been pre- | It was a mere ruse to get bim to pay ine if it succeeded; 1 within three days of the close of the session. Q. State to the com mittee whether you had any Childs, and it was published in the prints of the | benefits the parties having it in charge, they ought to pay bad you authority to pledge that $25.00? A Ub, no! woo! as weil as cotton; | had some interest myself ; Lpever recerved a dollar aotil the thing was over. . U1 a ey You say that you want authority to pledge it; that war large establishment; there had been some cor ‘the tariff bad been deferred | CO®® ot mean that you should have authority to put it in leet going to hie store, for it was a litte ways from under. | botel; we bad quitea jon about the matter, tank ot the Metrepone, | itm to Keep it if be did. * : i of the wool interest, whet ought 12 be Q. And to induce him to give it you made Brno e Tieowinige ihe Fowl ot ten Yours | passage ot the il? A. To not Know wheh Ube tsder money, Please acknowledge ‘ours | passage y 10 ow wi Wit. W. BTONE. stancing was, it wae my scheme they were using, and it phn ee cay ounven should ba ame is loaf, and will keep from starvi CORMIN SADLY OCT OF POCKET. to which | am pow alluding; I called upon him then duties Seger nomen 61,000, Q How much have you recetved in the aggregate from | MY neighbors, and as & manufacturer to #ee what he narrative I havo given you the whole history of | Lawrence, Stone & Co.,or any other person or 4 ‘hue A pre, hd inte saction; I did my best in opposition to the bili, and | for 7oar serviees in geting the Dill passed? A. For rail’ | would wools juce the duties. for if from one of its friends, bat as I had done Purpores pot a cent, for the tariff not a dollar or —nmuaes 1% ov? am eine recenem, deal in bebalf of the caase enented Mr, | dime save that which you see in the letter I submitted mi Ba, accu a tenet aes tee Le. ‘that and spent a great dea! of money them, I pot Se ae teva eer eee or anytning the variit? A. Itold him that T did not think aay! » Q. What t could be dove that would carry the bill, unless be o ry —%.4 7 oy war to a ington to Boston snd back so often, I never even got m bot get any vill through they wore satie it was rebt: T do not remember the conversation now ee aes Sere 20 ee me to give he + er aan Q. Was that $25,000 in any way connected with the fim te could ot Gamo re which you speak ed op them | which you in . may have meant much more; my ides is, from | road movement Dusiness; we taeda to get a letter from me, that he meant much | ovt sure; I would hat to become acquainted id mak tart & proposition tn ‘54, 56, ‘66 or "67 in rela | years. wou! ory pod free wool and free railroad tron in the same me wore was in '62 and '63. Q What is meant 7 there. ‘as there such @ propostion made tn 18667 A. | authorized you het A ‘There was so much pulling and then that I cannot | money; / receive, een 8 4 My impression is that in ‘4 '65 there was no | dollar frem them’ in the A” oh union between the free iron and free wool men; for | to; I recollect tellin by N reason, that leading iron makers at one time, | am not | perbape jllvstrate it now as well as in an: suffer . contemplated acceding to the free rail. | rubstance of it, leaving out the jok iron men, aad as | learned in New York, Howett, of | /ers were often absent 7 Well firm of Cosper & Hewett, had actually consummated, | + to go after them and bring them up, and various atén ten yom remem wt ‘#0, an arrangement with Mr. Osborne, who was | cxpenses were incurred in that way; there war a stipula- to me, “I understand, and oe eres, Vice President of the Central Raiitoad Oym- | tion that it should be $60,000; well, i cannot say | Cure that, and have got—— fod of which # portion of the duties ef which the rail. | ‘what was In their minds, whether they meaut one | Pression, but it waa to the effect aed wae to be relieved wan to go to iron rail ma. | thing or another, for they said nothing, but 1 never | Jounal of Cimmmerce oF gomebody contecied, with , and I think therefore there was no solid | intended to pay w any man a dollar; 1 never | paper lo colleck masala fon Mi A eee would aifoct between the iron men, thus working together | spent a dollar in sending ® hack afer a member or that the ious b we ane Servaay correeatanee tron Lawrence | ick state an ona andes dr, rr | Sue among tease menses Wat ee! as aD) Lawrence i & MAD Lo go OW oe Or get ine winter at ches el pieeanee another Wo 40 so for me; I never even spent & “levy” printing other focumente; that there was oie abolition of the duty on railroad iron and the duty on Q. What do you mean by saying that the railroad men fone wool? Do you recollect receiving « letter from Samuel Sarre aan nee ney would give you 610,000 ¥ you would ween ptt Lawrence on that subject? A. it ws very likely; I cannot pers fey pnb LS yl | b ‘Tritune; they reach our La . ready a large Do you recotless aay proposition of yours to place | had been secured, and yet we are wane to bapin for wool S funda ae Fees Cones, te Sree to Sane Wareer? and dyes? A. Well, sir, there was no doubt but that there 1 said © lition of the duties upon railroad iron and wool together? | wasa Bouse for the abolition of duties on owen i A. I will say this: in no case in my life have I ever | railroad iron. SSecting its torecetve one dollar, save for my services and at | | Q. You convey the idea to Mr. Lawrence that you think you J 23 : ty 3 E i - H : . ase i ti Hi H ut 4 = he Ww Authorized to we on behalf of any | in favor of that measure? A, Oh, ne. postion thas upon the passage the Dill a certain amount 'Q. Whel then Sid-you mons? ‘A. Lhad but one mean- = of money should be paid? A. I will answer the question | ing in tho whole lotfer, and that was that in the event of | ot eing error live cothorising, me (0 40 09; Laever rescived ‘Waa not your use of ‘to convey that idea