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DBLRE fe oie Following the Sixtd ‘and® seventh joint meetings ofytha. asmmitice en the limitation of armament and the subcommittee on naval limitation the following statements were issued: The sixth foint sessionof the com- mittee on limitation of agm&ment and ittee on naval dimita -American . z 0 build-) peterence to naval disar. oo e i na f sctiEmevaltennyin Fleht with regard| EYERI e - e ten- | to the limitation of pital ships dud to the limitation of submarine oR°| fmmengely relieve the burden of ar- G e o A kbanare * upon an overburdencd world. 2 3 pa self t the sas ting bL She coms on the part of France was in ne of the ex- aminat a pron: of the n: ference they the submarin might p tons re proposed th Jimited 31.500 ton it was t this tonnage should be e is concerned to h a co th zures which s e’ minimunt of w dered ne Ty the French de lerable had was obli governm “At a meeting of tie cabinet an of the supreme defense the situation d discussed with the whatever to further the rence and assist in reaching re; would ent deliberate in Pt the er tonnas, it seems nearly impo reduced tonnage lo constitute a of capital ship ible with s force composed of sLips such as those | contemplated to build, and g to force 1in which it i one normally organ the tactical principles every flest. ed, accordi in Settlement Regarded Enasy. “The conditions of appli agreement 1pital regards as it such qualifications itroduce in cury through of laying down. beginnin hips iutended to repiace, W of the admitted tonn out libert, French ships as they reach the twentieth year of existence. “It will be 1i sy to settle the quest st i marines, whick for the pro its communi citery and n of the te <. the cabinet national de- e conelusion | ceept a limi- 000 tons for of that it is im below and cra $0,000 tons for hout imperiling the vital interests of the country and its lonies and the safety of their naval structed to eonse on_the above “To sum up, Eards vhich her normal sea pawer. She program of the future constitution of | her fleet to- 330,000 tons for auxiliary | eraft and to 90,000 tons for submu- qu fol © 5,000 tons ! v o isi v - s, PR v o et et Subratines | (S87 OF what thetr’strengih ‘mis "he.| (Nreatened by the satalmaneRt WU [l The best, at prices which command attention. “While regretfing that she cannot | o h i b sely s ¢ are friends. 5 > v e 4 : E oy 2 B et e e T e o 650/ Creat iBtitainy with her. §35.000 tona | Aoot oLisubmitineswhichiwors of Be iy ear right—buy your dinner at the P-K Market. Btances.” entirely carry out the re- | tanss 1t was Derfectly obvious that Of capltal ships, will possess a fleet|Use eXcept to destioy COMmEITRe b = ductions and limitations contemplated [ the™ proposed '90.000 tons of sub- |9f Bieat vessels stronger than the o v momationt Sm ked H Morris “Supreme” and in the American proposal, she at least | nlini b Were Intended to destroy | cOrTesponding fleets of France and ({1 [OCIePRnGE MR (7 o) AMS wWilson's “Certified” § to feels quite certain that she is (aKing | commerce. They eould not be in- [1taly put together. hat wo! S huase 2 10/ 1b: ‘av & an important share in the work oli cd for any other purpose. It; 'S0 be it: we ourelves do not take Fails to Yield. . average size The conference by reducing the French naval power in capital ship: weapon specifically offensive and particularly costly, and by accepting a limitation for craft of other categories.” | Chairman Disappointed. 1 The chairman said that the com- mittee had heard the statement on behalf of the French government: it was a definit> statement made after| careful deliberition, and he assumed | that it should be zcoepted as the final expression of the attitude of the| French government in rezard to the, limitation of naval armamert. He; was greatly gratified at the willing- | ness of the French government to! limit the tonnuge of their capitall ships_to 175,000 tons. He felt that| the importance of this statement, should not in any way be minimized. | Capital ships were the chief weapon ! of offense. If the conference could; succeed, as- it was now evident that| 1t would, in reducing In a fairly satis- | factory manner armament &s repre-; sented in capital ships, it would have | done much to relieve the burden of taxation and would aid in establish- ing a better basis for a lasting peace. He wished to repeat that he was highly gratified and appreciated the! manner in which the problem had been approached by the French government. He understood that there were, however, certain reserva- tions with respect to replacements and the duration of the agreement.| These matters must receive further consideration and be the subject of continued negotiations. He confessed that he was disap- nointed with the statement concern- ing submarines and auxillary craft. It submarines were to be.available for distinctly defensive purposes in connection _with _the movements of fleets, it wouid seem that they should bear some definite proportion to the fighting flects; this is, if they Were to be used im connection with the Jaying of mines, scouting, .etc.— the necessities inherent in large de-! fensive preparations—they should, bear some relation to the operationsi of the fleet as a whole. The sugges- tlon that France should have 90,000 tons of submarines would, on any} basis of a practical ratio, involve the assumption that Great Britain and the United States should greatly in- crease their submarine tonnage. This could hardly be called a limitation or reduction. Furthermore, if a large number of submarines were to be pro- vided, then cruisers and destroyers, the natural enemies of submarines, would have to be provided in numbers adequate to deal with the situation created by a large submarine fleet. It was a serious question whether there was hope of accomplishing any- thing like limitation in regard to sub- marines and auxiliary craft. He under- stood that the attitude of the French government was that, regardless of the requirements of 'other” nations, 90,000 tons of submarines was deemed to be the minimum essential for: France. If this was so, the suggestion of 330,000 tons of auxiliary vessels for France would have its bearings on what was considered necesgary for the other nations and might make t dif- ficult to arrive at an agreemént Iimit- ing submarines and auxiliary. craft. He did not desire at this time and in view of the existing situdtion to dis-. cuss details, but he wished to'say that an agreement for tife expansian of armament was not under considera- tlon. The conference was calfed to consider the limitation ‘of armament. He left it for the committee,to. de- cide, in the light of the very definite | statement of the French government, Wwhat was practicable to be done. Mr. Balfour Also Disappointed. In conclusion he wished to say that fn expressing his disappointment in regard to submarines he did not wish in any way to detract from the im- rtance of the definite acceptance | y France of the program for en.m.' 3 | | tal ships. This was a matter of the first_importance, and he could assure Ris French colleagues that their at- titude was cordially and sincerely ap- P Baltour admitted, as the chair- man had Justly pointed out, that there : a !flm" s{[n.temmt u‘s:ima.da 2 COl 8 fch proe our.an STORMY SESSIONS HELD BY PARLEY COMMITTEES council of national was examined st _earnest | seem m of the has been i out in the resolution o meeting as regards i elop- | 3 | ment; it was still adding to its powers) a token of the good will of ol offense, and cach new model was . it has been resolved to we-yan improvemcni on the capacity of its sduction to 173000 tons of brs_for commerce destru , although ion of the s of settlement by taking ity nding of the|mament. as to limi- and |bosition with regard to disarmament {on land they already Kne What was their position with regard to dis armament on sea? They were pre pared, and he rejoiced that they wer | prepared. to accept the ratio whic! ve them 175,000 fons of ps. ;. He Blad that the French vernment had accepted that all-im- portant part of the American pro- ram, gnd he agrecd that if nathine ! Wits done by the conference in: an’ overwhelming character, regards capital ships, for he 1t that if the naval strength of na'ion w s to be estimated in r lation to the naval strength of othe tions. it would be found that the { relative strength of France undoer Ui | arrangement already accepted as re- gards capital ships would be in- Creased. He did not begrudge her | that increase; he rejoiced in it. { Anviety Cauned. But when he turned from the mat- ter of capital ships to the matter of othor eraft he confessed that a very | different pieture met the eye. The rench proposed to increase the num- ber of submarines threefold. 1f they rried out that intention it was evi- lent that they would not only be equal Lo the other two zreatest naval pow- | Amertca and Britain, in point of | at they would hay er proportion of sub- A newer type than e i understood the subm: n that when carried out the ton. that program French quota of submarines would ex- | ceed that of any other power in the Thus it w w world. It had further to be noted that their French colleagues accom- panied their view of the necessity of submarines with the announcement that they intended greatly to increase tie tonnage of their auxiliary craft. {It must be acknowledged that this constituted a somewhat singular con- tribution to the labors of a confer- je alled for the diminution of ar- H nent! Considered in Jjunction with the refusal of the French del gation to discuss land armament, this position must cause anxiety and di | appointment to those who had come to the conference with high hopes re- garding the limitation of naval ar- Furthermore, it had to be that the pleasure derived from the agreement with regard to the limitation of capital ships was | subject to a qualification. He under- observed placement of 10,000 tons, and no guns shall be carried by any such ship with a caliber in excess of eight inches. Mr. Hanihara said: “I deslre to be permitted to say just a few words in order to avoid possible misunder- standing as to Japan's attitude with -egard to the question of naval limi- tation. “We balieve that by the agreement t has been reached at this confer- nce as to the ratio of capital ships ¢ great step forward has been made toward the attainment of the high -im of the conference, thereby reliev- ing the powers concerned of the heavy burden of costly armament. At the same time we think it a misfortune if we fail to come to an agreement as ! limitation of auxiliary regards the comba‘ant craft. Our position is not to claim freedom for building auxili- ary combatant craft, but to support in the main the tonnage provided in this respeet in the original American | proposal of November 12 in order that an agreement may be reached as be- tween the powers concerned on this basis and that full and final success of the conference may thus be as- sured.” Statements Defended. Mr. Sarraut said: “The decisions of the French government which I have the creation by France of a defensive weapon Involving a certain tonnage of submarines could be considered as a menace to any of her friends. 1f such a thought were to weigh all too heavily on_our deliberations, if I found myself obliged to defend my country here against such a suspicion, this would, indeed, result in eliminat- ing the hopefulness and the enthus- insm with which I have so far cul- laborated in the work of relieving the vurden of armaments, in accord with the desire of France as clearly mani- fested by the sacrifice to which she nas consented in the matter of cap- ital ships. But to tell the truth, L am not likely to be discouraged in thiy matter. The work is too tine and too generously humanitarian to per- mit our efforts and our good will to grow weary. They will rem iin faith- | ful to the end to the noble projects {aimed at by this conference, H No Hostile Intentio Mr. Balfour assured M. Sarraus |that he was the last man in the world | whom ho (Mr. Balfour) would suspeci did not wish to delay matters, but Admiral Baron Kato expected to be present at the next meeting of the committee and he would greatly pre- fer it if formal action could be post- poned until then. Discussion Postponed. The chairman said that with the committee's permission the discussion of this resolution would be post- poned until the next meeting. He understood the present state of mind of the committee to be that there was no objection so far as the caliber of the guns was concerned, but that cer- taln observations, but no decided ob- jections, had been made concerning tonnage. Definitive discussion of that matter would therefore be postponed and the committee would then neces- sarily come to the subject of aircraft carriers. Before leaving the question of the submarine, however, he sug- gested that the committee return to the consideration of the appropriate concerned as regards the illegal use action to be expressed by the powers | {and direct arguments in support of a of submarines. As the committee was iware, it had been suggested that a solution be proposed dealing with he present rules of law obligatory m submarines and with respect to jof hostlle intentions toward his country, but the speech which Mr Sarraut’ had just delivered was sui ficient to show that he had not realiy understood the way in which Britaii |regarded the question now undc { consideration. Mr. Balfour begge. {him to consider one or two elemer x'sting laws. He said he would ask itary facts without which he wouly attention of the committee. he improvement and amendment of [should be circulated in order that each dr. Root to bring the matter to thelthe spirit which animated them, but had_the honor of Imparting to the conference have Just’ gver rice to|lot understand the position.taken up Text of Resolutions. certain observations which T cannot ¥ the British empire delcgation.| wr. Root then read the resolutions| How to to ananewered. . 1t this re-| While it was almost unthinkable that | .5 follows: ply was not immediate, this was be- cause 1 wished first to hear the re- marks of each delegation regarding my statement. “To tell the truth, gentlemen, I am not here to make comment on the orders of my government which possess an authority and a value which suflice in themselves; the decisions which 1 cated to you have b ve just communi- carefully con- sidered by the highest authorities presenting national sovereignty in country. | have received them respectfully from their hands and have hrought them just as they stand to the conference. “It is my duty, however, and I per- form this duty in the perfectly friendly spirit which has never ceased to animate the French delega- tion to take up the allegations which have just been made, certain ones of which I find wholly inacceptable. “Certain delegations, while testify- ing to their satisfaction in seeing France accept the reduced proportion of capital ships which has been de- termined for her, have expressed a real disappointment on learning that the French government was unable to make similar sacrifices as regards other classes of vessels. Allow me to say that this disappointment, if it really exists. will call forth a similar feeling in my own country when it is learned there how the amount of ton- nace allotted to France has been authoritatively determined without taking any account of her manifest needs and of the absolute necessities of her defense for the sccurity and safeguarding of which no country is justified in trusting to the good offices of its neighbo: thelr respective countries could be on anything but the most cordial terms. one must not overlook the teaching of history. 8 The signatory powers desiring t }in the distant past. Britain had al- 4 5 iton of the lives of neutrals and non- ways been superior in naval arma- combatants at sea in time of war, ment, and always inferior in land|geclare that among those rules the forces. Never in the France had she had to fear the power i ational law: of Great Britain to strike a blow at e e {Rer heart. that must be so. No inferior military power had gver yvet been able vade or seriously imperil a superior it power merety because she had hips. Suppose the almost rning. inconceivable happened and close al- el must not be de- lies became enemies, it was perfectly |otroyed unless the crew and passen- determine its character before it can be tur. rehan to in- t v ss it periority of capital ships would im- To be fair, he must admit that it{the universa) rules above stated; and might concelvably imperil some re-|if a submarine cannot capture a mer- mote islands belonging to France, but | chant vessel in conformity with these France, with her land armament, |rules the existing law of nations re- would remain secure in the face Of | quires it to desist from attack and superior sea power. Now compare the | from capture, and to permit the mer- position of France in the face of a|chant vessel to proceed unmolested. superior British surface fleet with the | The signatory powers invite the ad- position of Britain in the face of [herence of all other civilized powers France with the largest submarine |to the foregoing statement of estab- fleet in the world. She could use that |lished law to the end that there nr fleet if she chose for commerce de-|be a clear public understanding struction, and it was difficult to be- |throughout the world of the standards lieve that in time of stress she would [of conduct by which the public opinion not so use it. If Britain were un-|of the world is to pass judgment upon armed against submarines it was evi- | future beliigerents. !dent that France, using that felonious b iweapon, could destroy her very ex- The signatory powers recognize the stence. Therefore it was quite im- “ible for Britain to treat the sub- | practical impossibility of using sub- 14 hierine flect with the sereme and |marines as commerce destroyers with- friendly philosophy shown by M. Sar- out violating the requirements uni- it in connection with the British {versally accepted by civilized nations | deserv: Sai |fleet of oapital ships M. aut |for the protection of the lives of neu- oialso on behul:‘ of his colleagues, his Britain had had many | make moce efteative the rules adopted { Warm sympathy both with the sub- Conflicts with France, though happily | e sieniiscd. mations for the protec- |stance of the resolutions and their history of | following are to be deemed an estab- | €Xpress my ke . A merchant vessel must be or-|birthplace of la; In the nature of things|gered to stop for visit and search to; With must not be at-}are not in u position toda. to stop forger the clear that in that case no British su- | zers have been first placed in safety. | this conference Wwiil bring forth the ! a 2. Belligerent submarines are not|establishment of provisi peril the life of France for an hour: |under any circumstances exempt from With the use of submarines. which d Sarraut in Sharp Tilt Over Positive Claim of France on Submarine Issue spect to the prohibition of the use of submarines in warfare, further de- clare that any person in the service of any of the powers adopting these rules who shall violate any of the rules thus adcpted, whether or not such person is under orders of a gov- ernmental superior, shall be deemed to have violated thé laws of war, and shall be liable to trial and punish- ment as if for an act of piracy, and may be brought to trial before the civil or military authorities of any such powers within the jurisdiction of which he may be found. The chairman said that Mr. Root's resolutions would be put in form for distribution at once. Any action upon them could be deferrcd until they had been considered by the delega- tions. They seemed, however, simple | | form. ‘ Mr. Schanzer sald: “In the name of | the Italian delegation, I cannot but nest sympathy for Mr. thesis which had been ably stated. He thought_ therefore, it might be the desire of ihe committee to discuss their generai purpose on the spot, leaving their precise language to a later time. Sympathy for Proposal. Mr. Balfour said he was sure the chairman_was well advised in sug- gesting that Mr. | proposals delegation might examine not only the words in which that spirit had been expressed. So far as he himself was concerned, however, having ls- tened to Mr. Root's admirable expo- sition, he wished to express, not only on his own behalf, but hé thought Root's proposal. Iialy, being the . cannot but regard the greatest pleasure eve thing which can contrib provement of internat to the im- law. We 1o consid- detaiis of the pre 250 futions, but when they are distributed we shall be glad to do so with the greatest interest, with the hope that onal ns dealing may safeguard the requirements of right and of civilization.” Mr. Sarraut said: “I rise less to comment upon the resolutions which have been rean than to render homage to the high and noble spirit of which they are the expression. 1 especially desire to profit by tke opportunity which is offered me to express the feelings of deep symputhy and admi- ration for Mr. Root which animate the French delegation. We were not surprised at hearing the feeling terms acts committed during the war and st which we were the first to protest. “In view of these observations it seems to us wise to wait until the uments have been distributed and il we have been able 2o examin ith all the attention that the, Mr. Hanihara said that he would be | | | in which he denounced the piratical | | thut could be regarded {mot - “Herein lies the profound difference n our points of view and those We have not apportioned our needs and our demands by care- fully examining the consequences to he French navy of tre increase of he naval power of certain neighbor- a defensive If submarines were to b strictly military weapon, contemplated by the | ry committee, how fleet of capital shi s manner 0 Lons ed ' ¢ Limited Lo 175,000 eions reauired ing countries with whom we cherish, e e b IgTin% if 40,000 | under the happiest of conditions, re: Ye. | lations of friendship, co-operation and ¢ | alliance. tons of submarines were really ‘We are not guarded by any offense. We are not the least in the world haunted by this eventuality, no more than we are apprehensive of the |fact that the fleets of the other friend- ly nations, the United States and Japan, wiil be considerably increased in comparison with our fleet. “Why then, they say, is a subma- ! rine fleet such as is demanded by France a necessity for her? Do we tenc therefore appeared that, at a moment hen we were all assembled to dis- cuss the limitation of armament, we were asked to agree to their increase, and that a country which did not desire to be among the first three naval powers in the world proposed nevertheless to build instruments of illegitimate ¢warfare to an extent communication; but they Wwere pow- erless to protect them. M. Sarraut would not obtain security for his lincs | of communication by those mean For those purposes they were uscles or n 1y useless. They were power- ful weapons for one purpose, and for one purpose only—namely, the destruc- tion of commerce; and it was not un- reasonable for Great Britain, when 1 He regretted that he had been com- pelied to insist upon an aspect of the | question which he would gladly have| left undeait with. He did not vield to | M. Sarraut in his conviction that the | good Teeling existing between his own country and their great ally across| the channel would remain unshaken | through all the changes which time Prime Steer Beef— the highest quality meat Prime Rib Roast... lb.,, 30c ....Ib, 25¢ ...lb, 18¢ ...Ib, 25¢ Bouillon Roast. Chuck Roast. .. Shoulder Clod eSOt PAN stood that the French intended to be-| “It is this idea, this conception of ; { gin replacing ships in 1 the Lrije necds and interests of France | talked of the absolute necessity 10r traly and noncombatants, and to the [ £1ad to have the opportunity to ex- Ménnecl toLBeitat e e e e e imenircd | France of possessing a fleet of 90,000 end that the prohibition of such usel sMinc the text of 3Mr. Root's resolu- Menace atn. B B o e s i red [ tons of_submarines. For what' pur- |shall be universally accepted as a part | Uion It was hardly nec y for him This secmed to be a serlous inter- | U clslons of the Irench Eovern-| ose? Not to co-operate with a fleet|of the law of nations, they declare | 10 8dd anything iu regard to the sym- fercnce with the proposal for a ten- |eiis 11 8 tHIS 160 ERESR B heir | of 175,000 tons of capital ships. their assent to such prohibition and|Pathy and hearty accord which the year naval holidays, but that was|gim.na™"0nG 5t in no way influ-| It was altogether out of proportion. |invite all other nations to adhere|J2banese delegation felt with the aim Gnly w small part of the anxiely and ol Gy “any comparison with what | What did he want the 90.000 tons of | thereto. and spirit of Mr. Root's resolutions. D o s, raina. |our neighbors are doing or by any|submarines for? According o uim . Temusge Wrepeece. LI Rl oL S el nxiety to measure our naval force |l Wis not for commerce destruction: ; The chairman said that it seemed ¥ had now come forward with a F The signatory 4 s ¢ rivard Lo g B it was for the protection of France's| T ory powers, desiring to|to be the desire of the committee, be- building _program of sub- lines of communication. There was !Insure the enforcement of the hu-, yond the cordial approval which h nd auxiliary craft. He was Difference in Opinion. no doubt that submarines were pow- | mane rules declared by them with re-! been expressed. to have an oppor- s D] ceive < k 1 P opT ctly unable to conceive how erful for the destruction of lines of (IW PALAIS ROY/ Start the New Ib,, 23c Chickens, Turkeys, Geese, i : Guineas, Ducks. fancy birds at right prices equal in number and superlor In eff Rt s I hose 1@ timatels. requirnd | quibble over the nec s: of the others? |MigRt bring. = L ien ||| Boiling Beef...... ..Ib, 10c any other fleet in the world. We | Do we call into question their pos- | tH1th re&Rte o Fae BesC AL e H an. 3 “hould therefore have the melancholy | sible ~intentions? Do we suspect | 120, beent Proposed By bi2 QR AMATS Best cane Shectacle of & conference called for | them? Assuredly we shall not do so. e desired 1o iatimate tha e ugar 10 lbs S54c the imitation of armaments. result- | It is not only the right but the duty | waulq address the committee on granulated s ing in a vast increase in the very|of each country to aesure its safety 1™y ' ce said he would pass to the by its own means, and it is perfectly possible to consider this problem without being haunted by the idea of a possible aggression on the part of a neighbor. That others should ap- ! ply to us such a methad of reasoning, while we do not think of applying it .eapon which the most civilized ele ments in all civilized countries con- demned. For the moment he need say no more. The whole of this con troversy would again come up be fore the public conference. For this occasion he reserved himself. 0 pDIy He must, however, dwell shortly on O “‘“,’r“fi N ot inany the effect which the French declaration | ;‘?Yi is ‘}mid e still more pain- of naval policy must inevitably pro-| ful to us. would appear to us more duce upon British opinion. It was per- | SPeciaily inadmissible at this table fectly clear that if at our very gates | 2round which we are gathered in = a feut -of 90,000 tons of submarines. SPILit of the most cordial co-opera- tion and at the very moment when (60,000 tons of which were to be of the ingin, noelit newest type) was to be constructed, no I beileniE the ansmar of Poanc In L, N0 ! the matter of capital ships, we are limitation of any kind on auxiliary | furnishing the most positive proof of vessels capable of dealing with subma- the effective participation of our rines could be admitted by the govern- country in the success of the great ment which he represented. Public| jdeals of peace aimed at by this con- notices had now been given in the most formal manner that this great fleet was to be built on the shores nearest to Britain, and it would necessarily be a very great menace to her. He had no doubt, if the occasion ever arose, that Britain would be equal to it, but it was on condition that we reserved the full right of Britain to build any auxiliary craft which she considered necessary to deal with the situation. Schanzer Expreases Regret. Senator Schanzer said: “We do mot dispute the importance of an accord with respect to capltal ships, but we cannot do more than to express our deep regret that it is not possible to arrive at an arrangement concerning auxiliary boats and submarines, “In_the absence of an agreement concerning the limitation of the latter naval forces, it is but natural that each nation should retain full liberty of action. At the same time it is {m- possible not to realize that the ab- sence of such an agreement will give new impetus to the competition of naval armament respecting auxiliary craft and submarines which can only have a most unfortunate effect on the finances of the countries interested. It is not our intention to discuss what France considers necessary for her na- tional security, but we will not attempt to hide that the naval program an- nounced by France is one which gives us serious preoccupations from the | point of view of the economic sacri- fices which may follow for Italy as well as from the point of view of the political consequences which it might produce. This is all the more true be- cause the solution of the land arma- ment problem has been deferred.” The chairman said he gathered from what had been said that it was not deemed practicable to reach an agree- ment on the basis suggested by his French -colleagues, and that it was apparent that other powers desired freedorh of action.with regard to the construction. of auxiliary craft which w‘ould, be built to deal with subma- rines. He assumed that Mr. Balfour, in re- ferring to_the entire liberty of action of Great Britain in this respect, did if(und,tn-lnuludo capital ships, nor dld he understapd that it was. in. tended to build, ulider the gulse of auxiliary ships, vessels which might Ppossibly come within the category of capital ships. Resolutions Offered. He desired to present, for the con- sideration of the committee, the sug- gestion that, if it was not possible to reach a satisfactory agreement for the limitation of the total tonnage of auxiliary craft, eome arrangement|ought to 1ay down here. But we have might perhaps be made defining the!shown why we could not recognize tonnage Hmit of individual ships. ‘He|it.. We are guided by our needs, duly therefore desired to propose the adop- | stated, proved, legitimized. It is this Il i ference. Coast to Be Defended. “If our answer is not the same as for the capital ships in regard to the other categories of vessels, it I8 be- cause the tonnages which we have indicated correspond to material | needs of defense, to necessities of protection which must no longer be denied, for we shall not cease to af- firm them strongly. We have no de- sire to destroy merchant vessels, as Mr. Balfour has said; we have for- mally declared the contrary here. and this declaration was echoed not later than yesterday in the debates which took pluce in the French senate. But France has coast lines which she must defend; she has also, and above all, a great colonial domain, second in importance only to that of Great Britain, which is distributed over all the seas, and concerning which we also may have, I presume, our anx- fety as to its defense, its police and its_survelllance. “We have the duty of safeguarding the communications of these colonles with the mother country and I have already said here that in case of war the safety of transportation of our troops overseas to the mother coun- try would be among the first of our obligations. This is not a mere theory. Have we not in the last war seen = belligerent transform mer- chant ships into auxillary cruisers or into privateers to torpedo our trans- ports; and has not this been done against all the allied navies? Ana should it cause surprise here to ree the minister of colonies of ¥rance take account of colonial considera- tions and call to mind that our colonial empire, though some would seem to be ignorant of it, really exists and that its needs, as well as ‘| its interests, must be strongly afiirm- ed, defended, protected, especially in the matter of safe communications with the mother country? Bound by Imstructions. “T reiterate that the French delega- tion is bound by formal instructions from .its government; this is a fact of which it reminds you anew. It cannot deviate from them. I wish to repeat again that it #s impossible for me to hear it sald, without protesting, without asserting the contrary, that there is an inevitable and necessary correlation between what we are obliged to do and what our neighbors would then deem themselves obliged to do. Nér do we admit that there fs an indispensable and logical corrala- tion between the. proportion of a country’s naval force in capital ships and the proportion of its auxillary craft and submarines. That is an abstract rule which you thought you tion of the following resolution: rule, and no other thonxht" ‘which| jection to the adoption of the pro- “No ship of war other tharn the cap- | dominates our feelings on the sub- &Mlhmxut};m”;' particularly as to n o ital ship or aircraft carrier resolution which the chairman had : proposed a few minutes before, and | which he hoped would be regarded by his colleagues as non-controversial It was, indeed, a necessary corollary of the agreement to limit capital ships, that there should also be a| limitation on the size of other classes of ships. Otherwise it would be pos- sible to build so-called light cruisers which would be capital ships in dis- guise and which would impose upon | the world a fresh competition ()!i armament which would be as costly | as that which had preceded it. He understood there had been a certain amount of conversation between the |l naval experts of the countries rep- | resented at the conference, and he was led to suppose that there was an agreement that 10,000 legend tons —or whatever kind of tons were agreed upon—would be a reasonable maximum size for all ships other than capital ships or aircraft car- riers. He thought also that there was a general agreement regarding +we limitation of guns to eight inches So far as Britain was concerned she .d 1o gun in excess of 7% inches, He understood France had & gun of approximately similar size, namely, 7.6. That seemed a reasonable figure to fix, but if for any strong reason it was desired to fix eight inches Britain would not oppose any seri- ous objection to that size. He thought it was essential that the limitation of armament should apply also to the aircraft carrier; otherwise, while prohibiting capital ships, one might | have what would be in effect a capi- tal ship with the addition of flying appliances. He did not want to dis- cuss, on this occasion, the matter of the limitation of tonnage of the air- craft carrier, but he thought the resolution should be amended to read as follows: “No ship of war other than a capi- tal ship or aircraft carrier hereafter built =hall exceed a total tonnage displacement of 10,000 tons, and no gun shall be carried by any such ship other than a capital ship, with a call- ber in excess of eight inches.” i ! | 1 ’ The chairman stated that the Amer- ican government had no objection to the amendment proposed by Lord Lee. The meeting was then adjourned Seventh Moeting Held. ‘The seventh joint meeting of the committee on limitation of armament and the subcommittes on naval limitation was held yesterday after- noon_at 3:30 o’clock. The chairman, was ready to proceed with the reso- hip of war other than & after built shall exceed a total ton- no gun_shall be carried by any such & caliber in excess of eight inchea.” Vice Admiral Acton said: “We very well understand, the spirit which un- derlies and the alm toward which the American proposal tends. A ton- nage limit for ships other than capital ships must be fixed and the condi-| until 3:30 p.m. yesterday. Mr. Hughes, said that the meeting lution as amended by Lord Lee as oapital ship or aircraft carrier here- nage displacement of 10,000 tons, and ship other than & capital ship with tions of armament must be defined. We can from now om acoept the caliber of -eight inches. 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In view of the technical considerations in- volved, however, he would be glad of a short postponément until tomorrow before expressing a definite opinion on the resolution proposed by the chair- man. Lord Lee added that he had another auestion of the same character which he would_like to raise—namely, the subject of limitation in the maximum caliber of the gun to be employed on board wacrships in the future. Per- heps it would be more convenlent to the committee if he were to put for- ward a definite proposal on the sub- ; ject, but he could at_once that/ his proposal would take the form of a limitation to the largest caliber of gun now mounted on board any ship of war—namely, sixteen inches. Proposal Accepted. tunity to examine and bring forward at a_convenient time the proposal which was to be acted upon. The next point to be considered was the subject of aircraft carriers. In the American Pproposal made at the opening session it had been agreed that the total ton- nage of alrcraft carriers should be fixed a5 follow. United States, 80,000 tons. CGreat Britam, 80,000 tons. Japan, 48,000 tons _If the same ratio provided for cap- ital ships should be applied to aircraft carriers for France and Italy, the re- sult would be as follows: France, 28.000 tons. Italy, 28.000 tons, The American proposal had added a proviso that no country exceeding the quota allowed should be required to scrap such excess tonnage until repl ements began, at which time the total tonnage of airplane carriers for each nation should be reduced to the prescribed allowance. Certain other rules had been proposed. Mr. Hughes added that in view of the fact that aireraft carriers mizht approach in tonnage to capital ships it would be wise also to set a limit in this respect. It was now proposed not to lay down any saips of this character whose displacement should exceed 27,000 tons. This was the prop- osition which he now presented for discuszion. He said that he thought he should udd that what had appearcd | | i in the resolution regarding aircraft| yorq Le “That uo carri should be deemed to be the|\arihip s gun gre: ;, same as that included in the resolu-|ealiber than sixteen inches.” tions respecting all ships of war « cept capital ships—i. e. that their guns should not ve_a caliber ex- man said that the United rnment was ready to ac- cept the proposal, and asked whether The chat ceeding eight inches. 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