The Daily Worker Newspaper, January 25, 1933, Page 4

vage Four Published by the Comprodaily Publishing Co., Inc., daily except Sunday, at 58 EB. 4sth St, New York City, N. ¥. Telephone ALgonqain 4-7956, Cable “DAIWORM.” Address and mail checks to the Daily Worker, 50 E. 13th St., New York, N. ¥. SUBSCRIPTION RATES: By mail everywhere: One year, $6; six months, $3.50: , $2: 1 month, Be New ¥ 3 months, Foreign and 33 excepting Borough of Manhattan and Bronx Canada: One year, $9; 6 months, $i Daily,Worker | Norman Thomas Further| Unmasks Himself OVERNOR HORNER of Illinois, although only in office a few weeks is proving to his capitalist masters that he knows how to make use of the social-fascist leaders of the Socialist Party to supplement his use of the armed forces of the state (the police and militia) against the fighting miners of Christian County. The Rev. Norman Thomas, recently presidential candi- date on the socialist party ticket, went te Springfield last Saturday to make a speech. The Springfield press states that upon his arrival Thomas met officially by representatives of governor ani with his escourts brought to the ex mansion where he was enter- tained in a manner befitting any of the inences. During the stay at the governor's mansion he di ng to the press, how “most effectively to se e In recording his public speech the Sp “Thomas spoke in praise of Governor Horne inistration with Some of the roops into Christian county to help 3 a the miners’ a determined effort to restore tran acts of Horner consisted of sendir the bosses and the thugs in the pickets; to close up the relief station kitchen and try pplement bul- lets, bayonets and with the weapon of starvation directed against the whole working class population—men, women and children. ‘These militiamen who try to crush the miners’ struggle and who have enforced virtual martial law “permitted” the st breaking ‘governor's guest, Mr. Thomas, to speak at Taylorville. Further to stigmatize this infamous conduct of the outstanding leader of the Socialist Party could not possibly unmask this social-fascist more than he has unmasked himself. Undoubtedly, as a result of this act, which shows how the Socialist Party leadership to fulfill its role as a weapon of capitalism against the toiling ‘masses must become more fascist in this period of revolutionary upsurge of the masses of the whole world and the transition to a new round of wars and revolutions. Rank and file members of the Socialist Party will in ever larger numbers draw their own conclusions upon which to base their future action from such self-exposure of Thomas, and will find their way towa:d the Communist Party, the only party of the work- ing class. Campaign to Save ‘Daily’: Must Be Speeded Up HE very slow response to the Daily Worker campaign to raise the $35,000 fund to guarantee the continued existence of the central organ of the Communist Party is cause for n. The b: for this is to be found in the failure of leading committees of the Party—espec ally the district and section committees—to realize the essential political importance of this campaign. A crass example of this was seen recently at a conference of section functionaries in New York called to discuss the problem of shop work. The tion of the Daily Worker drive was brought up and objections were raised that since the Daily was not on the order of business it was out of order to discuss it. It ought to be quite clear to everyone that this sort of ridiculous me- chanical separation of the Daily Worker drive from the problem of how to carry on more effective work in the industries has nothing in com- mon with Communism. It is in direct opposition to the statement of the Central Committee of the Party that this drive must be politicalized and made an integral part of all our campaigns. JUALLY serious errors in the approach to this campaign are to be found in many places in practically every district of the Party. - The lack of response to the pressing demands to save the “Daily” fre- quently manifests itself in the familiar excuse that all active comrades are engaged in so many and varied campaigns that they haven’t time to take up the work connected with the Daily Worker campaign. This is @ continuation of the same error committed in the New York section tonference. If there is a proper political appreciation of what this drive means it will not only not interfere with other campaigns but will raise all such campaigns to a higher political level, by showing to the masses the role of the Communist Party and the revolutionary press as the co- ordinating force that gives revolutionary aim and direction to all the manifold struggles of the oppressed masses. Figures on the returns from the di ts are In some cases almost, unbelievable—for example District 8 (Chicago) the second leading district in the United States which only sent in two doll during the ten days of the campaign. Certainly with the splendid development of the strug- gle against hunger in Chicago, the miners’ struggle in Southern Illinois, the Springfield conference and the general advance to be noted in District 8, there should be steadily increasing support for the Daily without any Special campaign such as the one now under way. * * a overcome in the shortest possible time the defects that have such a paralyzing effect upon the campaign it is essential that there be car- tied on a careful survey of the shortcomings and that immediate steps be taken to correct them. One of the best ways of doing this is to pro- ceed to verify to what degree the campaign is being carried out in every district, in every section and unit of the Party and also in all the Party fractions in the mass organizations, in the neighborhoods and so on, Stalin’s Speech on “Results of First 5-Yr. Plan” in Saturday Supplement Results of the First Five-Year Plan”, the speech delivered by Comrade Stalin at the meeting of the Joint Plenum of the Central Committee and the Central Control Commission of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, will be published in supplement form this Saturday, Jan. 28. This speech is an effect: answer to the campaign of lies in the capitalist press that the Five-Year Plan was a failure. Despite the acute financial situation of the Daily Worker at the present time we are convinced that the vital importance of Comrade Stalin’s speech makes it imperative that the “Daily” publish it in full. ‘The Saturday issue will also contain an article by Earl Browder, called “Smash Sectarianism—Penetrate the Factories!” District agents are urged to wire their orders for additional copies Of the Saturday issue at once. PGRERT LATIN AMERICAN «2 ALA “WAR me TO BE HELD IN : MONTEVIDEO = T) AND PLEDGE MY SUPPORT TO TiIG ST! GLE OF THE MASSES = AHO WIN LATIN AMPRICA AGAINST THE WARS NOW RAGING THERR. Dy I PLEDGE MY SUPPORT TO TIE ANTI-IMPRRIALIST y MOVEMENT TN LATIN AMERICA AND THR PHILIPP PARTICULARLY AGAINST AMERICAN IMPERIALISH aussszasstaeszspecs ISSUED By ThE ANTI- IMPERIALIST LEAGUE "799 aowy Seen. LISTS TO BE TURNED IN ON OR BEFORE FEB. 24% ge lag EETINGS WILL BE CABLED te MONTEVIDEO FEB. 25° ra se This Blank to Collect Signa 2 a DAILY WORKER, NEW YORK, WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 25, 1933 Letters from Our Readers PRAISES ARRANGEMEN AT LENIN TS MEMORIAL Editor of Daily Worker, Dear Comrade: I want to congratulate the lead- ership of District No. 2 for the tre- mendous improvement in the hand- ling of the Lenin Memorial meet- compared to the Daily Worker affair on New Year's Eve. ing as Those of us who brought sympa- thizers to this affair did not need to, as we did New Years, apologize for or “explain” the boring pro- gram. A worker who accompanied me to both affairs signed an ap. plication for the Party enthusias- tically last night. He said that he saw we “meant business when we spoke of learning from our mis- takes.” I would suggest in using the coli- seum, however, that the lights be turned off and the speaker put in the spotlight. This makes it pos- sible to see him and concentrat ttention. Too many of our com- des think that they can talk and visit during a meeting. They should act in a more disciplined fashion than they do. —J. A. Build a workers correspondence group in your factory, shop or neighborhood. Send regular letters to the Daily Worker. “PROSPERITY” AROUND THE CORNER! —~By Burck A Weapon in the Steel the Hands of Workers By PETE CHAPA ' HE Daily Worker is needed at pres- ent more than ever by the working class in the struggle against unem- employment, wage-cuts, starvation. In all the past movements of the work- ers against the hunger program of the employers and the government it has been the only daily paper in the English language that has outlined, directed and initiated these struggles. Particulatly so for the steel work~- ers at the time of the general wage- cuts of 10 per cent (October, 1931) and 15 per cent (May, 1932), the “Daily” called upon the steel workers to unite, resist the cut and rally be- hind the Metal Workers Industrial League (now the Steel and Metal Workers Industrial Union). In the Republic Steel strike in Warren, O., several months ago, in the numerous strikes in the metal shops of New York City, a number of which have ted in victory for the workers, in the Crucible Steel strike in Jersey City, and. in other struggles of the steel workers, the “Daily” has been a vital force in the mobilization of the steel and metal ‘workers, . Steel Corp. ad the other steel corporatio! are preparing another general wage-cut. In the American Bridge Co. (U.S, Steel sub- sidiary) of Ambridge, Pa., a 25 per | cent cut has already been carried | through. The McClintic-Marshall Co. (Bethlehem Steel subsidiary) has slashed wages by 20 per cent in their’| Rankin and Carnegie plants. This in- HE U. dicates the trend for cuts throughout the industry. In the struggle against these new wage-cuts the “Daily” will be a wea- pon in the hands of the steel workers. The capitalist newspapers in every large and small town are. already working to convince the steel workers that the cut will be “necessary”, that the companies are “losing money,” that it will mean “more work,” etc. Only the “Daily” is exposing these lies and showing that a wage-cut means more hunger and impoverish- ment for the steel workers and their families. And above all, the Daily Worker is giving organizational guid~ ance and assistance in the struggle to smash the coming wage-cuts, prramace irea ‘HE steel workers understand this, They have always stood by the “Daily” in past emergencies, and will work energetically to maintain and strengthen it in this present critical period. Support must and will be giv- en the “Daily” from every steel town and section, every branch of the Steel and Metal Workers Industrial Union, every individual member of the union, as well as the unorganized | steel and metal workers of this coun- | try. “BOLSHEVIKS ON TRIAL” INSTALMENT TOMORROW. The last installment of “Bol- shevism On Trial” will appear in tomorrow's issue. It had to be omitted today on account of the publication of the report of the in~ terview between Campbell and Comrade Stalin. Stalin Refutes HE fortnightly magazine of the Central Committee of the All- Union Communist Party “Bolshe- vik” publishes an article by Stalin, headed “Mr. Campbell inventing”, which reads: “A book entitled “Russia—market or menace” by Mr. Campbell, a well known agricultural man who had visited the Soviet Union, was re- cently published in America in the English language. Among other things, Mr. Campbell describes in his book his ‘interview’ with Sta- lin which took place in January, 1929, in Moscow. This interview is remarkable because every sentence is either a fiction, or a sensational garbling intended to create public- for the beok and its author. “To expose these fables I find it my duty to say a few words. “Mr. Campbell obviously is giv- ing rein to his imagination, when stating, that the conversation with Stalin, begun at 1 p. m. ‘continued till late at night, until the dawn! As a matter of fact the interview did not last more than two hours. M. Campbell's imagination is truly American. “Mr. Campbell is obviously in- venting, when stating, that Stalin ‘took my hand with both of his and said: We may become friends’. As a matter of fact nothing of the kind did, nor could have happened. Mr. Campbell cannot fail to know that Stalin does not need ‘friends’ like Campbell. “It is another fabrication of Mr. Campbell when he states that in sending him the record of our con- versation I added a note: ‘Preserve this memorandum, it may become some time an important historical document. As a matter of fact the record was handed to Mr. Campbell by interpreter Comrade Yarotzky, without any note whatsoever. Mr. Campbell is obviously deceived by the desire to speculate on Stalin. “And again Mr. Campbell is fabri- cating when ascribing to Stalin the words ‘under Trotzky they really tried to extend communism all over the world and this was the first reason for the rupture between Trotzky and himself (i. e. Stalin), that Trotzky believed in world com- munism, while he, Stalin, wanted to limit his activity to his own country’. This senseless fiction which turns facts upside down can be believed only by deserters to the camp of Kautsky, Wels and Mr. Trotzky. In fact the conversation with Campbell had no relation to the question of Trotzky, nor was Trotzky’s name even mentioned during the conversation. Mr. Camp- bell is inventing one tale on top of another. “And so on, and so on in the same style. “Mr. Campbell mentions in his book the record of the interview with Stalin, however, he did not consider it necessary to publish it in his book, Why? Is it not be- cause the publication of this ree- ord would frustrate the whole plan of Mr. Campbell as regards sensa~ tional fables around the ‘inter- view’ with Stalin intended to cre~ ate publicity for Mr. Campbell's book among American burghers? “J think the best punishment for the tale telling Mr. Campbell would be to publish the record of the con- versation between Mr. Campbell and Stalin. It would be the most reliable means of exposing the fabrications and re-establishing the facts.” December 28, 1932. J. STALIN, Record of Conversation between Comrade Stalin and Mr. Campbell FTER the exchange of intro- ductory phrases, Mr. Campbell explained his desire to vistt Com- rade Stalin, stating, that though he is present in the U. 5. 5. R. as a private individual, he has visited, before his departure from the United States Mr, Coolidge, and the newly elected President Hoover, and obtained their full approval of his journey to Russia. His visit here has revealed to him the astounding activity of the nation which is a puzzle to the whole world. He was particularly pleased by the projects of construction in agriculture. He is well aware of the numerous misconceptions con- cerning Russia, but he himself has visited the Kremlin, for instance, ii ampbell’s Lies About Soviet Union Stenographic Report of Interview Between Large-Scale Montana Farmer and Comrade Stalin and has seen the work carried out in preserving the monuments of art, and in general-in the improve- ment of cultural standards. He was particularly struck by the care taken of workers (men and women). He found it an interesting coinci- dence that before his departure from the United States he was in- vited to visit the president and saw his son and Mrs. Coolidge, whereas yesterday he was the guest of Ka- linin, who is the President of the U. S. S. R., and who made a deep impression upon him. Comrade Stalin. As regards the plans for agricultural and indus- trial construction, as well as our work in the development of cul- we are as yet only at art of our work. Very little has been as yet accomplished by us in the realization of the pro- gram of reconstruction of agricul- tural economy. We must not for- get that our country has been ex- ceptionally backward, and this backwardness is a great obstacle even now. The difference between the former and the new leaders in Russia lies in the fact that the former leaders considered the back- wardness of the country as an as- set, seeing in it “a national pecu- liarity”, a-“national pride”, whereas the new men, the Soviet men are fighting this backwardness as an evil, which is to be rooted out. Therein lies the assurance of our success. We are quite aware of the fact that we are not free from errors. But we are not afraid of criticism, nor are we afraid of facing diffi- culties or recognizing our mistakes. We accept all proper criticism and welcome it. We are watching the U. S. A. for this country stands high in scientific and technical development. We would like the men of science and engineering in America to be our teachers in the matter of technique and ourselves to be their pupils, “PATHOS OF BUILDING.” Every period in the national de- velopment has a pathos of its own. ‘We are now having in Russia the pathos of building. Therein lies at present its prevailing feature. This explains the construction fever which we are experiencing at pres- ent. It recalls the period which the United States went through after the civil war. Therein is the basis and the possibility of tech- nical, industrial and commercial co-operation with the U.S. A. I do not know what else is to be done to secure contact with American industry. Could you explain to me what is now preventing the reali- zation of this rapproachment, when it has been established that such a contact would be advantageous both for the U.S.S.R. and U.S.A. Mr. Campbell: I am quite sure that a siriking similarity exists be- tween the U.S.A. and Russia—in their magnitude, resources and in- dependence. Mr. Stalin’s reference to the civil war period is quite cor- rect, There was an extraordinary growth after the civil war. The people in the United States are in- terested in Russia. I am sure, that Russia {s too great a country not to become a great factor in the world relations, The men at the head of the Russian government have at their disposal the greatest possibilities to accomplish great deeds. The only thing that is necessary is clarity of judgment and fairness. T see the advantages of a proper business contact, and I am in close contact with the government, though I am a private citizen, T am. speaking now as a private in- dividual. Since 1 was asked, what prevents the contact between the U.S.A. and Russia, I want to reply candidly, boldly, with due respect to Mr. Stalin, and without offense. He is a man who thinks quite ob- jectively, which allows me to con- verse with him as man to man for the benefit of both countries and absolutely confidentially. If we could have official recognition, everyone would strive to come here to do business on a credit basis or on any other basis, as business is conducted everywhere. The reason why American firms hesitate to do business here or grant long term credits is the absence of recognition of your government by the Wash- ington government. However, the chief reason for this is not merely the failure in the matter of recognition. We con- sider that the chief reason is (and this may be quite so), that the representatives of your government. in our country all the time attempt to sow discontent and to spread ideas of Soviet government. We are having in our country what is called the ‘Monroe doc- trine’, which means, that we do not wish to interfere with any country in the world, but are strictly ad- hering to our own business. We, therefore, do not wish any country —be it England, France, Germany, Russia, or anv other—to interfere in our own effairs. Russia is so vast a country that she can accomplish independently all the tasks decided upon by her people. Russia has her own re- sources of all kinds, and though in the long run it will require more time, the Russians will be able to develop their resources quite independently. E are glad to feel that in many instances we are an ideal for the Russian people, and I think that we may be quite useful to them, particularly as regards the saving of time. Since we have solved numerous economic prob- Jems and our methods are being copied by other countries besides Russia such enterprises as the building up of state farms, mean an improvement of commercial relations and in the long run, the commercial relations will be fol- lowed by diplomatic recognition on some just basis. The only way for nations, as for individuals, is to speak out openly, without offense, and then the time will soon arrive for some agreement. The more educated we become the more we realize that we can accomplish more by reason than ‘by other means. Great nations may differ in opinions without aggravating their relations, and great men come to em agreement on major ques- tions. They usually end their ne- gotiations by a definite agreement —meeting each other approximate- ly halfway—no matter how far re- moved their initial points of view may have been. Comrade Stalin: I understand that diplomatic recognition is at the present moment rather diffi- cult for the U. S. A. American press hhas abused the representatives of the Soviet Government. so much and so often that a sharp reversal is rather difficult. Personally I do not consider diplomatic recognition to be of decisive moment at pres- ent. It is the development of com- ‘Every Factory Our Fortress’ DEVELOPING, FOLLOWING UP CONTACTS IN SHOP “The successful accomplishment of this task (winning the majority of the working class) requires that every Communist Party shall estab- lish, extend and strengthen permanent and intimate contacts with the majority of the workers, wherever workers may be found.” From the 12th Plenum Resolution, E. ©. ©. I. ° ry ° H hated decision of the Party to make this steel plant a point of con- centration is absolutely correct. We have seen in the last 2 or 3 months activity to make it ready for im- mediate transformation to war pro- duction. Already barbed wire is made inside the mill for Japan. We have not yet the full details on this. What is particularly significant is that while all the 15 open hearth furnaces are not running full cap- acity, they have built up three more open hearths—and this to- gether with other activities in the plant shows that with the coopera- tion of the War Department the plant is being transformed for war production in preparation for war. Normally 14,000 workers are em- ployed here. In the event of war at least 20,000 will be employed, since they will manufacture very important war material. The composition of the workers is 40 per cent foreign born; 30 per cent Negro and 30 per cent native born. The major groups in the mill are Finnish, Polish, Greek and Italian. The town itself*is a com- pany town. A lot of the smaller towns while not actually company tawns are controlled by the steel corporation. Jim Crow sections in which the Negro workers have been segregated exists in the town. The workers live in an area of 25 miles which makes it somewhat difficult to reach them, * . 'ITHIN the Jast two weeks the wages of the workers have been cut by 50 per cent. There have been three regular general cuts in February, October and January of Jast year. They affected all de- partments, But the wages are forced down even beyond this, be- cause most of the workers are em- ployed part time. WEAK LEADERSHIP TO WORK IN SHOP ‘Within the past few weeks we have gotten in new workers— American workers. The Commu- nist Party and Y.C.L. membership has gone up as high as 40. It dropped a little since then. Other workers who were laid off were not kept in the nucleus and allowed to drift out.The members were not de- veloped, no guidance from the Party section committee and from. the center, no discussion on trade union and Party problems, Very often the comrade assigned for con- centration work was given a lot of other work inside the city. How- ever, this situation is being changed —but this principle leads to all the handicaps and the shortcomings that exist inside the mill. These must be overcome. at en 'HE section committee never con- cerned themselves with the problems of the shop nucleus. Such things as assistance, mobilization of the Party for concentration in steel, considering the wide area where the steel workers live, the utilization of the street units who are not immediately connected with the steel mill unit as a means of carrying on work in the residen- tial areas where the ‘steel workers live. In other words our whole work can be characterized as re- maining practically in the same place-—there were ups and downs, but today the balance sheet shows that we have not made any real gains. However, now with the resolution of the 12th Plenum and other reso- lutions which have brought for- ward the question of personal con- tacts very sharply we can say defin- itely that some changes are being made. SHOP PAPER WINS MANY DEMANDS No one has been developed suf- ficiently to take over the editing of the paper. It has been the pro- duct of .... If.... .went to jail the paper was also in jail, and did not appear. However, as far as furnishing the contents for the paper some articles were furnished by members, but in the main most of the contents were written by B. We never had an editorial commit~ tee or discussion of articles that were placed in the paper. However, the paper itself has won the admir- ation of the steel workers in the plant, even though it has many faults. It has been able to gain Several demands for the workers— such as water fountains that never existed, such as safety devices and many others. Workers whom we didn’t even know went into action and developed a little struggle of their own without our leadership, only through the guidance of the paper. These struggles came to our attention only later. (TO BE CONTINUED) mericial relations on the basis of mutual advantages that is of im- portance. Commercial _ relations require normalization, and should a certain legal basis for ‘his mat- ter be established it would surnish the first and the most important step on the way towards diplo- matic recognition. The quéstion of diplomatic recognition will solve it- self when both parties recognize the advantages of diplomatic rela- tions. The main basis are the com- mercial relations and their nor- malization, leading to the creation of certain legal norms. RESOURCES VAST AND VARIOUS It. goes without saying that the resources of our country are vast and various. They are more vari- ous and vast than is officially known, and our research expedi- tions are continually finding new resources throughout our vast coun- try. This is, however, only one side of our possibilities. The other side lies in the fact that our peasants and workers are now well rid of the former yoke of landowners and capitalists. Formerly the landown- ers and capitalists were wasting un- productively the means that now remain in the country and increase inside the country its purchasing power, So great is the growth of demand that despite the rapid de- velopment of our industry its out- put is behind ‘the demand. The demand both for personal and in- dustrial consumption is tremen- dous. Herein is the second side of our unlimited possibilities. Both these factors are creating an important basis for commercial and industrial contact both with the U.S. A. and other developed countries, A complex struggle is waged among these countries around the question as to which of them is to apply its efforts for the develop- ment of our resources. Unfortu- nately, the United States still re- main aloof from this struggle. The Germans are proclaiming everywhere, that the position of the Soviet Government is unstable and that therefore no substantial cred- its should be opened to Soviet economic organizations. At the same time they.are doing their best to monopolize the commercial rela- tions with the U. S. S. R. by ex- .tending it credits. As is well known, a certain group of English businessmen is also waging a cruel anti-Soviet cam- paign. But at the same time this very group, as well as the Mc- Kenna group, are making an effort to provide credits for the U. S. S. R. It is known from the press that in February a delegation of Eng- lish businessmen and bankers are coming to the U. S. S. R. They intend to propose a vast project of commercial relations and a loan to the Soviet Government. What is the explanation of this duality of the German and English businessmen? It is due to their desire to monopolize in their hands all commercial relations with the U. S. S. R. by frightening and driving away the U. S. A. It is, however, quite obvious to me, that the U. S. A. has more reasons for developing vast business relations with the U. 8. S. R. than any other country. Not only is it due to the fact that the U. S. A, is rich in technique and capital, but also because no country receives our businessmen with so much hos- pitality and welcome as the U.S.A. Orie aay S regards propaganda, T must de- clare categorically that none of the representatives of the Soviet Government have any right to in- terfere either directly, or indirectly, with the internal affairs of the country, where they live. The most firm. and strict instructions are given in this respect to all our staffs of employees in Soviet insti- tutions in the U.S. A, I am quite sure that neither Brou nor his em- ployers are in any way connected with any form of propaganda. If any of our employees would have violated the firm directives con- cerning non-interference, he would immediately be recalled and pun- ished, We are certainly not respon- sible for the actions of unknown persons who are not within our jurisdiction. But we can assume responsibility and give maximum guarantee as regards the non-in- terference of persons employed by our institutions abroad. Mr. Campbell: May I communi- cate this to Mr. Hoover? Comrade Stalin: Certainly. Mr. Campbell: We do not know who are the people that sow dis- content. But they exist. The po- lice find them and their literature. I know Bron and I know him to be an honest and candid gentle- men, conducting business honestly. But there are some. Comrade Stalin: It is quite pos- sible that pro-Soviet propaganda is conducted in the U.S.A. by mem- bers of the American Communist Party. But this Party is legal in the U. S. A. it takes part legally in presidential elections, nominates its candidates, and it is quite na- tural that also in this case we can- not interfere with your domestic affairs. Mr, Campbell: I have no more questions to ‘ask. Yes, I have. ‘When I return to the U.S.A. busi- nessmen will be asking me whether it is safe to-do business with the U.S. S. R. Bhe machine-building companies will be particularly in~ terested in the possibility of grant- ing long term credits. May I reply in the affirmative? May I receive information as to the measures taken by the Soviet Government to guarantee credit transactions, whether. there is a special duty or some definite source allotted for the purpose? Comrade Stalin: IT am reluctant to praise my own country. How- ever, since the question is put to me, I am compelled to state as fol- lows. There has not been a single case when the Soviet Government or Soviet economic organizations failed to meet their payments accu= rately and on time with respect to credits, Whether short or long term, Inquiries can be made in as to our payments to the Gere mans on the 300 million credit. Where do we get the means for these payments? Mr. Campbell knows that money is not raining from heaven, Our agriculture, in- dustry, trade, timber, oil, gold, platinum, etc.—these are our sources of payment. Herein is also the guarantee of payments. I do not wish Mr, Campbell to take my word for it. He is at liberty to verify my statements, say in Gere many. He will discover, that never was there any delay in payment, though we were at times come elléq to pay such unprecedented Bees of interest as 15-20 per cent. But as regards special guaran- tees I do not think it necessary to discuss this question seriously with respect to the U.S.S.R. Mr. Campbell: Of course, ft is ‘unnecessary, Comrade Stalin: It may perhaps not be superfluous to tell you, in strict confidence, about the loan— not credit, but a loan—proposed by a group of British group of Balfour, Kingsley. Mr. Campbell: May I tell this to Hoover? Comrade Stalin: Certainly, 4 not to the press. This group of bankers proposes the following: -' They calculate our -indebtedness to England at about £400,000,000, They suggest to consolidate amount on the basis of 25 per cent, i. e., £100,000,000 instead of £400, 000,000. And at the same time they offer a loan of £100,000,000. Thus. our indebtedness will amount to £200,000,000 with pay= ments to extend over a period of several decades. In exchange we are to give preference to British machine building. ‘This does not mean that we are to place our ore ders in England only, but we are. to give preference to England. .— Mr. Campbell, thanking for the interview, states that Comrade Stalin impressed him as~ just, well-informed and man. He has been very glad of the opportunity to speak with Comrede Stalin and considers this interview to be ; campbell for the © ami (Record made by