Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, September 8, 1881, Page 12

bobbed te ae, waiter memes me ee No Serna one THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER. 8, 1881—TWELVE PAGES. DOWN TO WORK, The Thomas Heresy Trial Becoming Interest- ing. Filing of the Amended Charges and Specifteations—A Little More Detail. some Now Demurrors Submitted, but Gonorally Overruled by Dr, Willing, as Those Previously They Are the Same in the Main Presented. Tho Standards of the Church to Be Looked For in Its. Catechism. The Examination of Some of the Witnesses Begun Upon at Last. Roundabout and Slow Way in Which the Business Is Conducted. frying to Prove Formally that Dr. Thomas Actunlly Preaclicd His Sermons, Dr, Parkhurst States What the De- fendant Had to Say About Inspiration, OPENING EXERCISES, Tho Thomns trint wns resumed yesterday morning ut Centenary Methodist Church, ot Monroe street, near Morgan, but not at the ap- polnted hour—f o'clock—a number of contin- wencles In the way of open bridges having ap- parently hindered severnl of tho members, and disconcerted all thoir arrangments for showing uponttme. Thoclock nands over tho Iecture- room door poluted to twenty minutes after 0 when Presiding-Elder Willing opened hls yrip- euck, zot out bls booka und papers, and took bis sent ut tho tablo inside the tow railing, tanked onone side by tho Rey. Anton Gurney and on the other by tho ofticin! stenographer, Counsel tuok thelr respective positions; aud the devo- Monat exerelses were conducted by tho Tov. J. XM. Caldwell, of the Western Avenue Church, Tho attendance was very light at the start, but iturew as tho hours passed by, untll the room waa quite comfortably filed, without belug crowded, ‘The devotional oxerviscs ended, tho roll was called, and all tho committe answered to thoir names except Mr, David, who was ugiin ibe sent. Tho Prealiing Eldor, after consulting with Dr. Gurney, sald: It sceins to the Chair thut it is Dest to NIL the vacancy in the committee, but, as tho arraignment hud not yet occurred, I shall take a little thine. Mrother David may put in AU uppearince before the arraivnment is com- pleted. Wo will bear from Brother Parkhurst this morning, < ——_ THE AMENDED CHARGES. Dr. Parkhurst—I have placad In tho hands of tho court tho ninanded chargos. Tho Rov, Mr. Chuso rand the umonded charges and speeltications, which were as follows: To the Rev. W.0. Willing, Presiding Eider Chi- eayo Dixtrict, Hack Itver Conferenee: We, tio undersigned, mumbors of the Rock River Annual Conferenco of the Methodist-Epiicopal Chureh, cumpluin to you af. the Hey, iifewin W 'boinas, nmiluister of the Methodlst-Eplscopal Church, and a member of bald Rock River Conterouce, aud of the Chicago District of sald conferonce, TE ea ae acti of jtellzion of the sild Chureb, 2) ATHeles 2 With touching doctrines which are contrary ath the ostablishod stundurd of doctrines of suid purch, i, With teaching doutrinos which are contrary to the doctrines aud bellot of sald Churet. and under and In support of suld frat, second, and third charges, und cach und every ono uf Sem wo nuke tho following epevitications—to- Mts INSPIRATION OF THI scrivruni Sirs wpecuisadon: th Senge tho Insp Bnd authority of certain portions of the enuonl: cul books of the Ol and New “estument, von- trary to the fifth article of our religion, a8 found In-tho Discipline of suid Church, ‘and particularly in saying, in a serinon delivered in Centennry Methodlst Chureb, in Chlengo, on or about the tb duy of Octobor, 1889, in substance to-wit: “Ido not bollove that wll parts of the Bixty-six hooks of the Miblo nro equally ine Aplred, or of equal authority und value. Nor do T belleve thitt ull tho books of the Old estament. ure criticully tntallible, Any attempt to mun- tam such 4 view is, tiny opinion, not onty ute terly usciess, but puts a burden upon the Chureh (hut inakes It weakur und not strougor, ‘The whole quesdon of fnspiradon bas to by reopencu.” — And also tn declaring = the same, 1 substunce, in nh meeting of tho Hock River Annuul Conference nt Rockford, ie in fatter ae Ca tn sy sullon with tho Itev. 31, at. 1 hursat durin, the tine of lids (atid ‘Thomas pustorito at ie Centenury Chureh, that thu Methodist. Chureh dust throw overbonrd a geod part of the Olid Testarnont or it would sink her. and that there were miny things fe the old Lasone that he fuatd ‘Pbomus) would not believe Hohe found them In any othor book, and he wont not he: dieve thein any quicker because they wore found An tho Old ‘estument; and, wise, durtug nts pits torate In Cojeazo, In austin toxovurat persons in substance the sumo us hereinbefore set forth, THE ATONE Second spechicution—tn denying the doctrine of atonement, us tauyht in cig keCONG and twenticcd articles of our rollzlon, set forth tin the Discipline, and us ulue taught by the estab. ished staudurds ot doctrines of. tha Chireh, und pur tetiaely in wsurinon preached in Centens ary Motpodlst Church in Chica on ue about ‘tho uch day af Ostobor, 1580, in which sermon hesuld in sutidtinge the words fulluwing—to- 7 butwhatare tie palnts on whiek my Niows muy, and [ suppose do, dt Those I envo fda my written statement to the Conference. ‘They Telute to three pulite—the atonement, fuhive punishmont, aud the Inspiration of tha Sertpie ures, Butict tt le remembered (hut | believe iu all these; but iy theory, or explunution, 1d Hot tho suine ny tut held by many and Paup- ere the annjority of Suthodlat preuchors, | 1 vieve in the wtonomont; but Ldon't belleve in the penul or butcher thoory Unt makes Christ a Sloncr—treuts Mun ts winner, and punishes dtim ag such to mike good the tirentened pene nity of no broken huw. To use wuch nb view Is Wi redsonuble und unjust. It makes God an angry tvrint rathor thin n toving father. Lt loaves ne. plnce at ull for merey. Most: Methodists wok lellet in the governmental view which makes thy atonement a measure for deuring the maral order ot tho tuiverse. ‘bis ean enulty nceopt, and belleve, if the Iden of ponal substitution bs left out, iut neither Sr, Wesley nor Wutaon got fully away from the strlotly pul {do et a iteral iinpiirtion af sie te Christ, and of the punishment ot Christ for aft, TP bellove that God oved the world=loved it Just us muchas ever Chriat juved {ty thatiue fave ot Chriet was bat the vicuriousness of Gou's everlistiig love coming forth tosvck and to sive tie "fists tn draw all men unto Who's ta life thom aut of thelr sits. and bence outot thole wutit and pen- alty. Tbelieve, 0 how deeply [ behove, i tho auvinlty of Christ: [believe ttt Wo sultured for an, suifered, @ how much more than tongue can Vell, Chat we nize kaow (Ly lay; that we might he bu Els tes thu we might be redeomed arom sin and made tik Minecll; aight come in Our icusure tate thy same law OF love, of yled> yiousness, und suttering tor others. ut bao hot believe that Ue was ever pilshed us gaily or that the punulty of tho la wits ever exucutod ‘pen Hin Pete such a belter ansetties the. Very foundations of hiv and justice, It ina acumbling block inthe wiy ef tholsnide of honest datods und heasis, 1 de nut dehove it nor, wil f jucaete Hutihe moral or paterdal viow Ldu bes ve. Ere Hibrough much menttlstragete and suttering, Trost Lei. ‘to mu itis the dose pels and that, anu thatonly,will } preach. Lexe ect to Hive in Wand todo tilt. And biavenot w shudow of doubt that it will yet be tne i ology ot the world, “Tt lases wotblngs it sive and burmonizes all. clove this arrat lw of rloud love, wnbeller ie reverent and alten, bin Tecls the rebuke of 1 Father's tents, wud tbo penitent ds pardoned and welcomed back to Hie arid. Tt bso Deliof Matt suvce, not by cold sub shitunon and imputation, and the punishment. oF the Innocent lasteud of tho guilty; not this, but wa bellef that touches aud maves tho yery Ccutres os the soul, aud Jo all ite pructicul elfecte ‘ation § , 1 a Uke bh autfertig, and sacrifice. But tho f hold nuy of the old views fe no bar to uty fellows sip with thom, and b seek to win tui to this Nbgner truth by tho tite of love tt keeps ever warn within’ me, ratner thin by dogmatizing about fh And also in deehring the sane, In substanee, ata tnecting of the Tock Ulver Conterence, at Reekford, UL. I Ootober, 18); fund nigo tn aipting, i a sorinon prowetiell in che enge on or about Oct. 4188), in speak in: auitering and desth of Christ, In sbstanee tho followme: “It was not to reconctic ui nage (lod, but te reveal a Father's love and to rou! ncilo mainte save hin fram sin, to of sin und D righteotsness, ant thereby out of the penalty of sins aud alse in suylag at aininisters’ meoting beld tn Chicago ator nhont the —— day of ——.-——, that Christ Md not ile to revunelle God te nan, but to reeonello man ta Guds Also tnt the presonve and henring i Dnelps and other persuns during tho thio of Is pastorate tn eal Contenury Cl 1 in subs stance, that any one why expects to re to Hone en, throwers the merits of Christ, will tid alm solt not there; nnd also in dayitng, da reply ten question pit to hin fn the peresenve and heuwr= in of sabl Sophin A. Having and other persond during the sume tine silts the blood of the Limb any ignitieances" “ None, we overcome through the love of the Lamb's and alse in des nyt to atndey persons, at diferent thes dus ring bis pnstoraty fn the Clty of Culeago, that any one will bo saved through tho ttonemont of Corlst; und algo in uttering, during tho aime time, and tu the heuring of divers other persona, In substance the satuy words ts above, 1 this speeliication set forth, PROWATION AFTER DEATH, ‘Third Spevitiention—tn teaching that. there will hoa tine of probution after death for those: who dle In alt, and aso In denying the existence of olornal punishment, contrary to the ‘teach- {ngs oF tho nuthorized standards of doutrines of sid Churen, and partiguincly in saying in sere mon dellyered by him in satd Centenary Chitreh on or about the ith day of Qutuber, 1830, in subs stance tho followin Astotho cnilesuess vt punishmont, € havo sald that tho Jaw whieh punishus str is itseil endiess; and for aught 1 kiuow, souls in the othor state tiny piss from right to wrong, or from wrong to right; and fn thy new ereations, that my yo on forever, there may always be souls suitering under the conseuuences of wrong-dotng, “Rut to say that any ong suttl, or the sine soul, will forever remaln in Bin, fs inure: thin T ean say; and hens Lb ennpot alirm end Juss suffering for any soul, | believe that we io out of this work) free togood or ta evil; mid Tf be- Heve that if a auul repent aud turn te Gud, fy In Hell, He will not cast It away, ‘Chis whole sition Is tuo hire 2 ono to be ao cusily sottt du thought ag sone migtt Buppus ‘The chur veter of God ts hound up in tt. Tl wulny of iillions and millions who have Ilved 1m the past, us well ag of ntl those who stilt lve lo tho tute ure, fs bound tp init, Personally Teannot timit alot Go's saving work tu these few years that othe on garth fo me this is only the begins ulng, and all tho yast future is filod with Ht and fove, and activity; the Jove and sneritice that hive pasaedt away from our shores; tho love of futhors and mothors, OF brothers and sisters; the Jovo of patriots anil philanthropists, itis allover thors, not buted or quenched by the waters of death, but quick- ened and glorified. All tho Lo: jo revealed in Jesits Chrigt is over (hace as weil as horn, ‘Pho ala lates ob the nugols ts active there. And to that brivht Citure Clook nud hastan with tho hone tht the lost not-found bere may bo found thore: that many souls bound In sly hero iy find deliverance thore; and that the day: tnuy eome when all the souls breathed inte bemy by the tify of God muy be brought into harmony with Histuws, . . 4 And itiaa fact, alse, chit thore is seurcely an orthodox German divine of nny nety in Europa thatdoes not hold to the Idea of a future probation, und that belief ts bused upou tho touvbings of tho Bibles It hs true, also, that such Is the faith of a treo part of tho elerzy of tho Church of Buglund, una of vory TuOny OF tho Protestunt Bpisegpal Church: In our hind. ‘The views Lhold would not enuse even a ripplo of excitement in that Chiure! And also In siying, init sermon preached at Chicuza on or a Noy. ok, 184), in strbatanee, the followlng: ‘nls doctrine of endless pun ishment is tho burden of thoghtand tho burden of falth and theology among all thoughtful mindsto-day, And f verily belluve to try to uphold it and toenferee tt upon tho mints fs to woigh down the faith of the age and not to litt it ups and the truth ty, that with this burd sink bellef, not only fn that doxma, but yor tho belief 1 God with tt, You tuavein th Hg falth only an limporfect Goi with iz yo Jouve in tho publie faith oniy an imporfect God, or, whit is much worse, God | nt all You cannot construet a Theodley with the ol) dogma of the severity and endlesness -of Hell as part of your thoory.” And ulso during tho thne of his pastorate 1 sald Centenary Church in saying fu tho hearing of Philip Meyers and otbor,in substance, * For od Almighty to sond a soul to etormil puntshimont, Jsall bosh.” And also, daring the lust ten yours, saying in bi hearing of divers other porsona, in gubstance, Tho sume words us berelavetore in the epcellications sut forth, M.M. Panis, Counsol fur the Prusccutlon, TIME WANTED LO DEMUT. At the conclusion of tho roudiny, the Preald- Ing Elder and Dr. Gurney put thoir heuds to- gerbor fora momunt or two, and tho former thon called to Dr, Purkburst, who cragcd some- thing from tho last page of the document, Tho Prositing Elder—Porhaps it Is woll forme tosay to tho counsel for tho defenyo that Dr, Purkburst erased from the bill tho words “counsel for the proscoution,” sixning the chargos ag Ml. M. Parkhurst," and not 13 coun+ wel Will tho counsel for the defense procect unon this bill of charges? + Mr, Bennett—1 wish to make thia observation Iu reference te tho demurrer. Who wo ud- Journed yesterday wo did vo with the unior- standing that whutevor wid In this complaint would confess the objections which wo had filed, and thut what was not confossed wo should ale tho Presiding Elder to rulespceifically upon, Tho Presiding Eldor—In othor words, you now presont a dewurrortous much us applica to what ig not olinged? Mr. Hensott—hat was the expectation, Tho Presiding Eider—It would be votter for youtodo #o formally if you do, It Is not for tho Chair to determina now how much of tho domurrer you wish to present, It Is for you to doterming that. Mr, Bennott—In that view of tho crse wo pre- for to tile our objections diruatly to this vom vialne us it now stunds. Tho Presiding Etder—Not using tho prosont desmtirrer at atl? dr. Bennatt—Not using thit at all; filo a now demurrer directly to thia complaint, Dr. Parktuirat—1 think that ts bettor, The Preshhing Elder—Fite it xt one? Mr. Bonnott—Wo will have to take u little time to write it out. pig Presiding Eldor—How much timo do you wisi dlr, Honuott (after consulting his assvelntca)— Wo will bo ready nt 2 o'slouk, A coimtalttvumun—Ob pshavwt Tho Presidiug Bider-—Can't you take this old demurrer, and yet through in one how? f spenk lu tho comigon interest. Wo are duluyed without your fult, | admit—but if we can posaltly mive au hour for morning work out of ibe two that rennin TE would be glad, Dr, Parkhurdt—I think it put falr that tho brethren should baye thi for deliberation, 1 doubtsf thoy could patel up thuir demurrer out of the old one dn the excitement of tho court, und should Kay, If 1 was Iny own cuse, thoy Hught ta have tio tag, Aud, therefore, 1 houwtily support Brother Bennutts stugeation that thoy bavo until 3 o'clock, But lot mo sity: whit miy simplify the matter, You will notieo at the elise of caut of the speelticntions a gene erul speofiication, “and other persons and ather plices,” and go ou. f wane to exphiln Jt now'so thitt it iuy not OveEpy your attention or the thavet the court, ‘Tho thought [6 this: We have uo right to being danny new material Minter that" words to tie oltect, orot simitir uypor She only polit We expect Lo show une ater Ths genoril statement is thas Toate nian miny say solmething ti to excitement of ames went for which he whould tot by held responsi. bie, DUC IE thit tis bean the zeneral trend of tls. thouyht for tun yeurs, thon wo uy it iva wuttied vonvictlon with tho tau. Vor Instunee, supe Pose that he one of thosy—— Tho Presidiug Eiter—} subunit that i woutd not be best to go inte the case yery fur now, Thesy brethren wsk for an adjournment, Dr, Parkburst—lut lot uo aay—E chat it, will save tatoif any such evidenve ts browglt in, It will he perfectly proper for the Court tu rule It out Hf it fa inproper, “Thorafore a demurrer eat he taken atatny Cane wo attempt to put fait wits peas, und note general dumurrer to the wholo matter, ATtor dobsio Unlitornatlii: tal about tino, 0 Jouk, recess wild liken Wutil bo THE DEMURRER, The Itoy, Mr. Proctor, of Arlington Heights, one of the Jurors in the cuge, opened tho afters noon session with the wail devetional exer elses, Itmilght perhaps be considered aw sige nitlenut by some that the reverend gentlenan'’s eiptural sotuction wae nune less than Paul's benutiful chapter on the subjeot of charity, ‘Vho roll of the Jury was duty called, and alt tho incinbers responded, ‘ho tev, J, W, Wek urds, pastor of the Lnuuanuel Church, thls city, was nppointed te Ml tho vacanuy ocuusioned by tho oxcuatug of tha Loy, Str, David at the morn: Aug beselor oni Ittle doluy aveastonod by the hon-appearanco of Dr, Thomus’ counsel, and the Presiding Hider explutacd mutters by ob- surving, Twill way, for tho gratification of ine quirlng ilnds, that we aro waltiug for a matter Vint will fuollitato, £ think, the. business when It cules," ‘Tho Rov, Mr. Cautine, ona of the jurors—lon't you think we bud botter adjouru? [Luugbter,| ‘Tho Presiding Bider—No, | puusa not, The Kev. Mr, Cantine—About tine for It, (ore taughter,] Atwae balf-pust 1 o'clock when Dr, Thomas Gnd hiv counsel ontered tho locture-room dvor and resumed thelr places at the trial table, Tho Hev, Mr. Vennvtt bore in bly baads u formidable Joukfuw ducument, whicb, at tho request of the proved to be the demurrer to tho umesdod charges and speciitaattons, and was as follows? {un tho matter of the amended charges nnd speettieations prepared by tho Itov. We M. Parke hurat, of tho Rook -River Conferenca of tha Mothodlat-Episcopal Churoh, against Hiram W. ‘Thomas, n member of sald Church and a mem: ber of sald conference, Aud now comus the sntd Hiram W, Thomas and sys that ho demura tu the antd second charge, and, for cause of demurrer, sys: 1. Uhut nu authority on standard by whieh ho, tho aut ‘Phomas, ean be tried 14 set forth in sald chine, ont That no article of religion of satd Onurch ts thorein alleged to hive ueen viulutod by hii, sald Phan re nre no establisholl standards of ibe Voat doctring, except the Articles of Religion of auld Chured, by whien ho, tho sald Phomas, ean be reds 4. That sald ebaryo docs not sot forth or nano any estiblished stuidard of doutring of said Chureh under and by whieh the prosecution bin (his case datend to lntyy hin, aatdthomas, tried, Now comes tho said Hiram W. ‘thomas and dus nities to Uid sald third charge, and, fur vaso of demurrer, myst 1. Hhut paragraph 213 of the Discipline of sad Chu 43 tho only authority under which tho silt Thomas can be tried, und that) such parte qeaph provides tor the tri] of a minister of suid Uhurel on tho Artictes of Rellrion,or the estab. ished standards of doctrine only, while by sald third chirge tt is intended to try hin, sit ty, Ul tention of beller in addition to such Ht Itellgion or catabiahod standards of ant no standard or standarts of doctrine Is or are sot forth or named in sald third charge to which hls teachings are contrary. Aud be doth dear to siti test: spuclitcation, and, for eanse of demurrer, ays? 1, ‘Shut neither tho Mine nor place of tho ale Jezed conversation with the Ray. MM. Parl huest js thorein immed. 2. What tho ailesitionsto-wits "And also dari his pasturaty tn Chiewso tn saying to several persund in substance thy satiny ag heres tofore svt torth,” ts too indelliitas to thie or ties, plice or places, person or persons, and us ta tho thing or things suid to be sald, to be pleaded unto by hin, tho sald ‘Ubumas, or bo by him defemled against, And he doth dear to sald second specifica- tout, antl, for etuge of demurrer, sys: 1. ‘Cott no esteblished standard or standards of doctrino of sald Coureh [yor nro set forth or mitued therein. s Tu not setting forth in words tho declaration alleged tu Lave been mide by bin, said ‘Paoms,, ab aoimecting of the ttock River Couferenve at Hockford, Lb, In Getaber, 19%), and the” person or persons to ur before whom tho snine was mu a ‘Laat no thne fs weed thoreln as to the date of the pretended preachers’ mucthug ne which be, sald ‘Thoms, $3 said to have made certain statements. 4. ‘Tht no thme or: plac named thereln concerning the alex of him, satd ‘Thoms, in tho presones of Suptily A. Phelps and other persons, "Tout the phrase therela, “sundry porsongs at diferont tines,” is too Indefinit to be platded unto or defended igatnst by hin, said Thomas, w, ‘Chat the phrase thoreln—to-wits During the sama tune, and dn the hearing of divers other persons,” is too indetinit to be pleaded. uate ordefunded aginst by nin, sad Thoms. and by doth domur to tho sated thied spoelil- ention, and, for case of dumturrer, says: 1. ‘Tuat no authority, standurd, or test, by whieh a minister of sat Churenh ean by tried, 18 Ancona or referred tu In said third spectticns uon, x. That no articlo of religion of sald Church Is thorein alleged to have been violated by him, the sald Hirai W, Thong, Ue hat thore are no withorized standards of tring of sald Church tn relition to the end. pithishment of tho wicked, der which he, the sald iirun W. ‘homns, muy lawfully bo trled, digelpllued, or punished, 4. That lf by the words * authorized stind- ards of doctrine of xutd Church” Ia mennt the established standunts of doctrine as found in paragraph 213 uf the Dixeipline of suid Churely, thon he, thoseid Hiram W, Thomna, says that tho aetion af the General Conference of said Sethe odist- Episcopat Church, held in tho your A. D, 4880, In the City uf Cincinatti, in the Stato. of Ohl, fs the only authority for tho use and appll- cation of the established stundurds of doctrine du dud to the trial of a minister of sald Chureb, ane be sys that suid General Conference hud Hu right, power, authority, or Juridictun to vs- tablish suet tive or to make such application, & ‘hut the addition of tho words * also estub- lished standards of dovtr! to paragraph 20h of tho Discipline of sald Churek wis made and extablished solely and only by the General Cous terence of sald Church for dio year 189), without thy caueurrent recommondation of three-qunr- tora of tll the members of sald Agmnuitl Conter- gnes of sald Church as provided in paragraph To of suid Diselpilue, and such addition and every putt thoreot aro unconstitutional, void, and of no effect, t, That whet aro tho established standards of doctring of auld Church, other than the Ardules of Religion, bus hover been preseribed by any Guucral Conference of sald Church, or by nny other body thoreunto lawfully. authorized, and therefore githt third spealiication eharges no offense for which he, the sald Liirain W.'Cromus, ‘or can be tried, disciplined, or punished, at the sald third speulilvation is void for i sutting forth the standnrdsof the Methodist Ephaonal Church upon and by which the prosu- ention in this cuuse tutend to have bin, the said Hiram W. 'Thonias, tried and udjudwed, 8, ‘Luat tho sit third spceltication is vold for Mnecortainty und judetlnitioss in not stating tho time when and plice where, and the divers athor persons to whotn, be, the auld Thomas, le areaed to hive mide sundry othor statements similar to the words sot out in eld speeitiontion, %, ‘That tho suid third speciticution is tuo vague, tudetnit, and uncertain to be by bim, tho std Hirai W, Thomas, pleaded unte or by bin defended against, W, ‘hat tho thie and plaice of the uliegod say= ing by him, tho said Uhonis, in the heariug of Philp Myors, are not set forth, BY Mi. PARKHURST’S REPLY. Tho Presiding Elder—fIive you anytuiig to say in tho ense, Mrothor Bennett? Mr. Donnett—I wus going to sny this; that tho urguinont which L rend yosterday upon the dee wurrer will apply In the main to tho demurrer which I buve just rend, I don't wish to repent that argumont. [think the Court hassuiliclently fu imind all tho poluts and the reasons thet Leet forth ut thut thine, Unless Brother Park- hurst ehull buye something to guy in reference to the puluts then made, 1 think wo hayo noth. ingfurtbor to add, Me, Parkhurat—I witl not be able, perhaps, not haying that demurrer ia my hands, to follow tho points consucntively; but, du briet, 1 will say in regurd to some af them: First, on tho question of time—the indolinit- hess On uccount of not mentioning the thie and pluco whon thoso things were wald. Now, ag f understand, itignot a matter of any cvonso- quence When and where ft was sald. ‘hat is not na olumont that cuters into the cuso excopt tn this: if we wore to ehurgs Brother ‘Thomas with suying something and leave tho tine ul- together out, and it could appear in evitonco Kttorwurds bat this wes ila when ho was i baby, Juatold enough to til, thon Wt would utluct tho merits of the uieo. Thorofore, we ‘yree tout there should bev tine mentioned, but that the me mentioned shontd be, inorder te cover the imorits ft ense, only gultivient to snow of | the that {t was sitid sods ti affeut this question ine volved. Now, wade wenden that ull of -tbla was suid during bid pastorate at Centenary: Church, Now, in thls cuse of heresy what dif furenes does tinake whether it wis sid tho frat year, the second your, or tha third your? ‘That ls no clomunt in the ense. Ve isn ation of Nu consequence (0 the Methodist Church whethor he suys [tla the month of January or duly, but tt will bo winutter of dmportunee to (he Chureh whether he sald it who ho wis 10 yours olf or whon he wid 60 yenra ol, Wo ndmit tht the Wellaltness must not Koso far nd be ln any way witeet tho merite uf tne case, On tho Othur hand, dupposa we had Qxed a given date— ay Oor, Weand at should appear tue ie didwt oeenr on the uth oot October, would) wo bu pronibited 4 from bringtuig in tho faet that it occurred on thotth? Docs that alfect thy casy? Ttwouliit we ted oursvlves Up by Lhut statement, wad would perhaps result Tu hindering Just whit wo want to get at, whieh Js the onl incritd of tho cause, We speufty the timy aud vhice where these things ovwurrod— while he was pastor of Coutenary Chureh—und wo aubinlt that Uils f4 deiuttonough, and do not waite that the demucror ta wall taken. «As to the pies Hen ode on aeeount of there home no standards by which this brother or any brother win be tried, 1 coatess to a good deal of sirprise Unit any man should bave ever made such 8 domurror ua that, t us look nt the case a ditte. We are here proparing: 4 revord for tho General Coufercice. Suppose thls demurrer ta sustained by tho Chale? ft gnes upon record that there ure nu standards by which this brother cad bo tried. “The tse gous fo the Aunt Contercnce, Perhaps now ovl> dence ta bromgbtin, Tho record ts mude tp, mid it goes Into the record that (ho Chnirmin bas decided that there ara ia such Mtundarda, Vho cave may bo appealed and tuiken tu tho Genera Conferences, and we gu there ay tho record, ‘Toe unly inustiog fa on the error or correstnesa of the ral oy the Chak, Whit ty the elfect who you wet apy ‘The qucstion bee the all the day foro the General Zonfersnce, whieh is Methodist Chvireh, minda ip uf Witiaters[0u0 af thuin—aud the membership wid i Hulf—uil ro} sunted—tto only inl and tha only ley hitlye body known to this Chur tiv questie before thom Is whether iho Coulpman raed vorroetly tn yullog that they hid doue whatthey haste Dugiiugs toda. Tt seeing to ane it could hardly beAooked Mat i uny other Hybt tn we dasult, be world be shinply un appent frac Philp sober ta Philip drunk, This ts not the to try tho General Conference, ‘Tho Gene bow to lt. This Jo oF nat. is ant: wit y Pate tho Discipliuo— -twoexceptions named. ‘Lhe points by whtch thy brothor is to be tried tho Atticles of Htettgion In wards, it was teeessitry te xpeelfy ni the how books that tho Statu of Wiavis ever published tn order to try cn under any of thom. Tt ly kupposed thut tho Court tukes Judicint Knew! haw, and wo are nowhere usked to atat: 1 have no othar answer to mike to that. for the romnrks that wero mado na to tho jdvatrines of the Chureb—thore bog ‘no doctelnes—the Church not sotting forth at aystom of doctrine but o Hfe—" Briiget, soit aro not to care anything about vord-wood, ma- ple or ok, toes: sou are to have the heat i your stove.” Thit, missus, how ain 1 te got hent unless | putin the wood)" In ucher words, how ain 1 to get Life untess EP have something to bulkt Ife upon? Tho Methodist, Chueh ting al- ways boon noted In history for 10 soars ur nore ne botng n Church of enthusinam, of zeal, of Ife, ‘That is tree. But how did she aet her lifey Tho Methodiate aro peculiar people. You are onthus atic, Mr. Chalrinay, your mothor may have been - a. Presbyteriut,” aut, under training: of tho Proabytorian, Chire you may have boen # staid, quiot Presbyterian, but you wot Hold of Mothodlse doctrine, aud wit is'tha Te sult? Itsets your souton tre, You become an Quthustustty Mothodist, [a the peculiarity of Mothodian tho result of your natural tempern= mont? Nay. nny. Jt lathe good old Methodist doctrine that innkes enthusiusin—that mikes Without dootrine t Christian iss Jollystist. walle ‘Lhore is nothlag to tin, We may get Tur woadiab, soudishs whut (8 thore to ty ‘hore mittat bo some backbone, and that back bong ty doctrine. Unless the Methodist: Churet ts that. and holds to it with a yrip that fs tenn. clouds and Invincible, she y havo no power. In propurtion as we preach and hold tho duc. trinos rigkily and stendily with carnestiess wid, vlourness boforg, t68 veople Ho wo wut zot ane; itual power?) ‘Phe fden of getting sptritual FaNee without doutrine! Stand the pymiuid on isupext We ednnot have enthusiasm without ideas, Wo entinot hive peralatent couduct, yore alstont anergy, holy living, without enthusiasm, Firat thought, thon feeling, than action, ‘That fs human constitution—that’ fs mental constitue tlon, It ig a terribte, mistnke when men thie that it dousy't make nny diiference what thoy belluva, wo tone 4s they act all right. ‘Tho whole question Is, at ous a inun hetlevos Lf his bellof fs right, bis conduct conforms to tt. MR. BENNET I'S REJOUNDER, Mr. Dunnutt—I Just wish to maku a remark or twu In roply. Dr, Parkhurst seums to have mts- npprotendad sofa of tho objou tons whieh wo hve raised to hls conplaint. Ho sots forth In it # conversntion between biuselt and De. Thomas. He curtalnly knows vnovgh about that conversation to be able to tix tho dato with ot vat ling Lnaver know some cortainty, i Dr. Parshurst—Wo will do {t when tho time comes. . i Mr. Bonnctt—tIle sets forth a throe-ycars’ pas tornte of Dr. ‘Thomas at the Centenary Church. Ho cortululy knows, or cau got trom the wit- nesses he proposes to Introduce, the time when these conversations took plice. Wa ought tobe appraised of the tha mi tho pleadings, In order to know uxuctly how to prepare to niect tha wl. legations. Wo won't hold him to within titteen minutes of tho thine alleged, but we want some time, or about somo thine, A nin alleges “within ten years" gortnin ovents look pluie, We woutt like to know a Hite more detinitly thin that. think thisis only fulr tu tne de- Tendant. : aAnothor objcotion is thut wo aro citat to no stundard autiors, or no ostublished standards of doctrine, Phoy elty ts to tha Articles of Iteltgiony und, to be cotsistent, thoy ought to cite 8 to stunditrd that Dr. Thomas’ utterances huve been: contrary to. No standard Jy mentioned tn tho entire complaint, We ailirm that thore ure no standards of doctrine other than tho Articles of Religion, Wodo not ailrm that the Methoulst Chureh bus no ductrine ata. We never made that stutentent, und wil those fine stories ubout Mridgot und other —peuplo have no bearing whatever ‘pen this arguimont, {Smiles} Lf think could say With- out very mu: diticulty that it is not Mothodist doctrine thut causes lite and power, J buve never recotved persons Into the Methodist Eplscopal Church yet but whut camo In throurh a rich oxperienco of huving fount Christ us tholr Savior, aud thoy knew nothing about doctrine any furthor than that they bad necepted Christ. J could: give my own exporience, If necussury, In prove of this fact. Lwas not brought up under Prosbyterian parents, hor under Moth: odist parents, but under Unitarian parents, and Jan supposed not to bave had the advant of thie training towbleh iy brother alludes, but frum tha very moment that 1 found Christ, that very moment t had spiritual Ife and poner and uitmy knowledge of doce tries, and nil the doctrines thut L believe have erystalllzed around thatlife, And when you come nto tha philaguphy ot this movement you WI Wid that organization always crystallizes: around tfo—that orgunlzetion tollows life, THE PRESIDING ,ELDER’S DECIS- 10N." ‘The decision was awaltod with some interost. ‘Tho Presiding Eldor mado n few notes on a tub, hold 2 whispered consultations with Mr. Park- burst, mundo a few tnore notes, and then disposed of tho damurror, ‘ ‘Tho Presiding Lider—Tt will be impracticable for tne to go through this demurrer in dotail. I should say that, huving bud tho provions de- wurrer, and having bad {t eome days, I have Jvokod ut It, and the poluts are not now, and 1 shuli make short and genera! work of the cusy, Tuhall ask the counsel for tho Chureh to strike out the third item in tho chargo—to amend or strikeout “with tenching doctrines which aro contrary to the doctrines and botlof of sald Churoh,”* It doesn't seemto mo to be esaontial to tho charge, and thut It isn’t the right thing to bo dono, . Mr. Parkhurst—Wo submit. ‘The Prosiding Eider—You will ao amond, thon, Atonco, As to the objection to the lack of dotl- nitness, Lshull overrule all that ts in tho doe murrer thut relates,to that, wito this undorstand- Ing, that counsel for Dr, ‘Thomus shalt bring up thugy polity, if they deo it necessary, again, Wo wilt treat them ou thelr morits, When wo shall come ty tuke tho evidanee, pluase, Brother Bennett, rifay this point, if you deem it inpors tint nt tout (mo, For tho prosent purposed, 2 Bhatt overrute all thut routes to thut matter, Generally, n3 to tho standards of dotrines, 1 wunt to say a fow thins autetbis point. a com- anilttcy was appointed in the your 1851 to propure tbouk thut should tench the doctrinva of the Mothodist-Kpiscopal Church, ‘Cont conmittca reportoi Inter to u Gonoral Conference, After a carole] oxuminution, the vommittes reported in favor of a plan for the publwation of cates chising, whercupon the Goneral Conference of INS unauntinously adopted the ropurt of tho coumittog, and ordered tho immediate publica. Moa of Nog. 1,2, und 3. ‘hon in toe Look of Discipline, paragraph 230, wo say to our puetors, itsball bo tho duty of our preachers te one forco faithfully upon parents and Sundiy school teachers the grew importauce of instructing childron tu the doctrines and duties of our holy religlou; to seo that our catevaising be used ns extonaivoly ni posulbly in our Sunday-sehools and families; to preach to the children and entechigy thein publicly in tho Sunday-subvals wad ut public imeutiied appolnted for that pur- pose,” ‘That iy wade by the General Confor- Cue part Of our work #8 pastors, by uninle mous adoption. Obvorve that this tau book of doctrinal teachlng—a standard of teaching, Wo fre fustructed—and there nO nppeal— what wo mist do, or wo ure dotlciuit in duty. 2 will cull attention ta somu ot tho doatrinvs—to ono, ut lonst—bervin taught, au then refer the case tu the cominittes, ts the ultimate handiiug of this abject af the stand neds of doctrinethe ultioite docislon—te with thom. Pages 45 and 403) Whit sentence will Chri prouounue un tho wicked?" The wuywor fas Depart from Me, ye uttracd, Into overlist. rn diy fire, prepared for ho devil aud dls anwels,”" Roferonves uro mude to paratiel passtzes of Seripture, On page: 45, the aume bouk, * What will then take place?” [8 tno question, TI warkd shall be destroyed by fire, und the wlukedd shall go away inte averlisting punishmont, but tho vightoons Into ctornal life.” Pages und i of tho same books simllir roferonces ars added to tho sume doctrine, ft thin perhaps the Chale tis dull enonzh to indicate bis thought, hit tho Momurrer cannot bo sustained, tin that it refused to recognize tho fact ‘that, sa Chureh, wo have standurds of doctrine, and that thoy nro well ostublisbed., Lo must overrule tho domurcer, with tue natned in the domurrer, as Brother Monnete will unders stand, where objections wore made to liek of dotlnitness, shail come up for cxumluntion at tho proper thine, Mr. Honnott—As to the rullngs of tho Court wo would ko to have our oxcopuions noted. Thut refers to wo, much AB concurns the mutter Of wtundurds. Wo don't cure wvout tho reat. ‘ho uxcuption was duly notud. MR. BENNETIYS PROPOSITION. . The Presiding EMler-Has Brother Bennett nuything further to aay? ee ne Mr, Hunnett—L buve a propositionte make at tHis tine, and 2 nuke ft in view of 1 statement which | undurstood Broter Parkhurst to make this morula, 1 undorstood him to say that, as to tho conversitions which aro alleged to buye ‘taken = place between Dr, Whomas and cortaln other purtics, und thoso sundry ound = othor | stittomonts during bis pastorate at Centenary, aud divers statvinonté nade within tho past fen yours, tho only object im setting thom out and in olforing proof tn yelation ta thon, wis ty ebow that Dr, tau) hetd tho dactrines which aro wtuted Lravts gut forth i the specication: Shait these doctrines wore wot 1 one sermon, but the duliberita deliberate dootrines which be hit dissented durlug tho dust ten ye Now, far ata Dr, ‘Vhoaiad is concerned, in cuse Of (ho issue Jolied here, wo duny the uccurayy Hf tho reportud cor Yoruutlons, but for the purposy of expeditin iho trial, saving thing, and yotting through wil Uils Jnvestigution, 1 woud tke to muko this pivoushtens that if the prosecution ur counsal outburst oF iutions, the get that out of ur the Church wilt withdraw ult tho alley. that i, tu get sume Uther conference tu luke it | tons in thls complains i reward tu. out. ‘Phoru is no other power in the Church by | converadtona und sundry uthor statements, and which it can bo touched, 1s willing to stand on the deliberate pulpit stute- With Fog to indolinitnoss as to tho law, the | meats which ure put forth im tho extracty for Artuleso {toligion, Oto, aod tho stundurds, wo Purpose of provi, that wr. ‘Thomas ta oro charged with not stating tho standards | berotical, wo will then put in ouo plea of not a -swer to the charges. auilt; ue pecial defense in referenco to tha standards we will wecept tho fet that the ox+ tracts are tho doctrinal utterances of Dr. Thom ns pon these points, and wo wil go to thls committee nt oncy on tho issue thus Jotned, A Juror—That’s flr, TIE PROSECUTION DECLINES. Dr. Parkhurst—Brothor Bennett $s laboring undor amisundorstanding with regard to my stutomont to him, ‘The conversation Thad with him was to tho effect that tho objection ritsad was to tha vloslig speollleation under onch charge. Mr. Bonnett—And also during hie pnatorate, ns hereinbutore set forth, Dr. Parkhurst—On that point, and not on tho conversations that occurred Lotween Dr. Thom- ngand individuuls. ‘Tho point was that that was too indotinit, and ehould come tn under the aamo. objection (iat was mado ‘Tuesday tnorning to tho whale, Now, Tid guy, und C say it here, tht tho object oF putting in that eliuso at the close wis to niluy us to show that the noinis of those printed sormons and those porsunal conyersntions. was not almply = thy ox. citoment of the moment, but thut it ran through na terms ‘OATS, of y jot long since, in a slander trinl in this vlty, tho Court bold that, rst, tho dutinit Blinder must be proven, ang the pursons to whom it was atl intist be named, but ja muklug up the vordict of damiges the antinusof that paper (tho Times) for five years was allowerl to bu brought fn to show thaé It was not the mistake of a reporter or some Peoepuntiia tain, but that the paper, bersistontly, for five yenra had beon attacking the complainant. Now 1 snid that, rottowing that (bought, we would show, frst, what De. ‘Thoms bad actually suid, whieh wo ure prepared to ro torward and prove; than wa would. olaim the right to show thot this was thu wongral trond of his thought for yours. 1 do not think It would holp the enxe—It would Involve it rather thin bolp it—to drop out particulne charges. We do not ueed to are ite it, Wore prepurod to go on. Wo gain uothing by adinittiog it, Wo cnn provo it. ‘The witnesses nee al sibpusnued, Lesvos a tittle indelleaty to Put my nano into tho chiryes—to yaull ug a witness; hat remember tho circumstances, {was subprunied ag a witness: alrondy on record ada witness for the Church: and with that fact in tho hunds of tho counsel and in tho hands of tho court, [wis Appolited ng tounsel. Why should tho Church lose my testimony? Indellcate as Ht was, we felt obliged to put Itt It was not new. Tt was tn tho handaof Dr. Hatileld before he gave up tho cise. Wo stmply took tho ovidenes ng lt came tous, Who weeume tothe ovidunco wo will try, to snow when and where, Tho Presiding Elder—You say you will try to show wher and where. ‘Tho Chutr holds that yeu ought todo it now If you are prepared to. Cyou nrg not ready now, that ty another thing. “Thnt is tho way wo understand It—because you hava't alt the informmetion titand. But ict our desire to give tho defense tho Inrgost possl- ule jearntaneS with tho engo as [t soall come tu then. FIGHLING OVER PRELIMINARIES, Dr, Parkhurat—How can we spocify nll thosa facta? It would sliuply be giving wll tha avle dence In tho charges, Tho Presiding Lider—Tho information shall come to you (the defense) in detail,and for such purposes ng you need, just as seon as nossible, Dr, Farkhurst—Woe will have toadjonrn until tomorrow morulng if L atm to write out all tho frets. Soveral jurymon—O nol Mr. Bonnett—t understand Dr. Thomns is chirged in threo speciticuttons with heretical teachIng—disseminuting doctrines contrary to tho doctrines of Methodism; 1 under- stand that bile doliverato pulpit utterances nro tho best ovidence that tho caso Is susceptibio of of his deetrinnl — bollefs and teuchings. Now, I understand that the objoct of these converantions !8 to shuw that those hnvo Leon tho doctrinal bellefs, aud that these inve leon tha woctrinos which Dr. Thomas bus disseminated during tho past ten yoors. Tho proposition I make fs this: nat If those gentlemen will withdraw from thelr ebarges and spoviiicntions ail other things but tho oxtructs that cimbody hls delfberate uttor- auces, Which thoy charge ire horetivat In do- trine, we willomit that he uttored tham—that they huve been his doetrinal beliefs and teachlaxs whonevor he his spoken upon doctring daring tho past ten ‘yeurss und then wil, plod = not “gullty to the cluirge | of boresy, and = got apy the special dofengo in referonea to tho Miva standards, and without hall at hour's dolay wo cun yo to this Jury upon the question nto whethor thoso utterances aro heresy or oe ‘That would seve an immense amount of ne. : 5 De. Parkhurat—Wo consider Dr, Thomas’ ut- tornnecs autslio of tha pulpit, bere and there, to ‘ho Just as tuuch a part of tho caso us those in the pulpit: and often tlines more closely and compterly oxprossed, Myr, Beunett—Wo do not deny that; but, ff you have suet forth in hts doliborute uttorances ull tho heretical utterances he ever prouched, what more du you waut?, Dr, Parkhurat—It will not take us long to Prove tho points of conyorsntion. ‘Tho Presidlug Eider—We huye nothing to do now but to prucoud. Mr. Bonnott—We would tke to havo timo to muike our unewer If wo are going Inte tho mer Its of tho onse, a ‘Tho Presiding Eldor—The next thingdn order, the churges having boon aumenied und being rendy for netion, isto buve thom rend agalu, unless counsel wil walye that Sr. Bolinett—We desire this: Lf you will give us in hour's tine we will retire to ono of tha wate-roonia and write outour unswor to the conplalut and Ulett. Weare not tu blume for any of thisdoliy, The Churob bas had over ten tmouths to propiro their charges and speuitton- tons, and tow they tire butore us. We only ask fe short time in watch to make a written une ‘The Prosigiug Bider—Wo will proceed, Brother Bonnett, to cowpleto tho arralyamant in this cuse thrt, Mr. Bennott—If wo waivo tho reading of tho vomplaint we will on aud tonke our written anawer, which will Jol all tho issues und bring us speedily to tril. NOT GUILTY, “The Presiding Elder—I don’t think that would faciileate our work, Now, what 1s your answer to the chnrgos? Mr. Bonnett—Wo desiro time to make our answer, p ‘Tho Presiding Elder—Thv only answer tho Chured desires t4 guilty or not gullty, For tho purposes of tho court for the presont that would bo ontirely sntiictont. It would bo a vory un- usual proceeding, 1 think, in an eccloalastical court, for us to walt an hour for you to writa out that answer; I do not moun to say those words, bul your anawer, Mr, Nonnett—The desive for thue involyos this question, Wo huye the rizht to plead not zuilty. Wo tive the right to put in any special detense that wo mity possosd, In our orlininal practice, under the plon of not guilty, ag tho case pro- evods, wo cau bring in ity and all dofenses of which tho onge ty augcuptibie, Af that ts under stoud, It Is ull wo ask, m The Presiding Eldow—That is a question, ? aup- pose, the Chulr will reserve tho right to docide ns. urticular thing cues up. should not ike to pledgu yuu now that you muy de as you please in overy purtivular heroufter. | [smates) Our aequdintance has been exceedingly plensnnt, but I shoutd diviike to enter into bumds to yuu; nud, therefore, Lusk now that you plund alter uly’ ov not guilty to these charges god spooltl= cutions. Mr. Honnett—{ hope the Prositing Elder dla not understund ino is wauting him counter into bonds that d might do as TL pleased; bat in cused where there Is 8 especial Indlutinent the de> foudant hug the right to plead not guilty, and wis to putin any spociil dutonse. ‘That le alt the right we otilin, If you concede the right that wo may put lu aepeolis defenseor dofenses, Une dy all wo uBk. Tho Prosidiug Etdor~It fs your business now to plead guilty or wt; aud tho noxt polit wo will come to horeatter, Mr, Hennett—Woll, If wo aro beld to that rule, we plead not guilty to ench charge and all te spouifications. LUT US WAVE PEACT, Tho Presiting Biler—tn regard to tho work bofure us, the Chulr wishes to romind the pur tus in this caso and tha committes that wo are hore us brothron, Woure bere aa Chriatian men, We ure boro to consider thames that are ny bixh as Henven, and as docp na Hell. We are boro to consider the relations of our brothor, whom wo have lovod, aud whoiw wo buyo beon in follow. ship with; togansidor bia charguter thoologi- cally, for there is nothing alleged against bis worals, We nro here tu consider tho need of tho Church, und the intorgsts of great mumben of people. Wo are buro to be patient, aud tender, wad kind, and ty be thoroughly loyal to our vone vietions. | Wo tire hero tu du Just what wo bus Hove Gad wants ts todo. 1am gratified beyond measure ub tho kindly apirit thut prevails. 1 think fit Ww good prophesy at be, L have the fullest and most comfortuhlo us- surance, knowing those brethrun, that we sbatt ayold personulties and got Into the bigh region of pure, eon Christian thinking, und with reat candor und carclesness do God's work well, Lot ue pray that noe word ur uttoranga of auy sort hore or olsewhore tn this case shall be 4 subject of regret tu ts or to the Courch of God hereafter. We are poady now to proceed in tuking ovidence in thid case. Lwill state bee fore wo communes thut the order will bo fur thu Sovratury to tuke tho quesUon and repout It trom tha Ups of counsel, after which tho wit. nea will give bie answer. . DU, GUINEY’s TESTIMONY. ‘The thklng Of testimony under this curious tuto was n somewhut novel procecding, ‘the Rey, Auron Uuriicy was the tlrat witness called, aud the reader will obtain a very accurate idea of tho way the thing crapt alony, with snall-like pace, from the following verbatiuy Fepurt of tho rst few questions and answers: Q.—Dy alr, Parkhurst—Dr, Gurocy, wore you tho lnat reasto of tha Mauk Itlver Annual Conferenco nt Roek ford? Mook echo by tho olliciit stonographor—Dr. fiurnoy, were you nt the lagtsessian of the look iver A nitint Conforenva nt Rouktord? aL was. What date did that conferonco cover? Dr. Gur py Wall ‘Pho Proatding Bldor—Ploaso wait till tho— Dr. Gurnoy—Kxauso mo. The oMlelil note-taker—What dato did that. eonforo} caver? aAv~-Wotl, T think It was from tho Mth or 4th— Tdon't remamber tho dito exactly—Oet. 1 or 14 —ithout thut time, ‘To mnke tt worse, the stonographor was asked nbout utno times out of ten to repeat the an-. swor as woll as tho question. Altogethor it wis no wondor the taking of testimony was a pains fully slow and tedious proceeding. "Aftor hnv- ing oconpled the witness-ehnir for something over hulf nn hour, tho information was eradual- Ls oxtrieted from Dr, Gtirnoy that he te bil In- deed been present at that cunference: that Dr, Thomas, after charging Dr. Hatiehl with have ing. farblas a quotation froin hig sermon of Oct, 1, 1850, produced a copy of a Chicago newspa- par, rend somothing thorofron, and wild ‘Phi is What Toenid'; that ho (the witness) fole lowed tho ending, and the matter Dr. ‘Chomns read corresponded word for word with the report of the sorimon contained In tho copy of tho same paper which witness thon and now held in bls hand, ta this way the pros. euution slowly jdontited the alleged horetieal uttornuves on inspsravion, tho atonement, and ondless punishment, as aet forth Inthe charges and speciientions, with what Dr. Lhomnas in tho enuferency had acknowlodeod ag bis sormon of Oct. 10, 1880, It was in this roundabout proccss that Dr, eRe big voice for tho frat timo during to trial, * “Doyou monn to say you areronding all L sald of that subject?” he asked of Dr. Park- hurst who hil been quoting from the passugo: ‘on ondlerd punishment. * Thave rowl everything fcom whero Lbogan,"* was tho roply. “Then thora wasn good deal before it," roe marked tho Doctor. ss “Tt was tint pertinant to the subject," was Mr. Parkhuret’s response. PROVING AN EXTRACT. George I, Armstronu, tho noxt witness, tes- titted as follows: Tam city editor of tha Inter. Ocean; aud hold that position Nov, 29, 1880, “Di tha IntersOccan publish a gormon preached by Dr. Thoms about Nov, 24, 18802" “Tt was published fu tho Issue of Noy. 29. Tho subject was *The Munal Harmony,’ and tha text was from Rovolation: 'Hehold, L make all thiugs new.’ I presume a copy wns furnishod vlthar ln manusertpt or proof. I do't know by whom, 1 think tt was not tn inanuseript.” Dr. Parkburst thon sourht ty prove that an extract from the sermon, printod in tho Northe western Christian sdvocate, had been taken from tho Inter-Ucean. Mr. Bonnett object upon the ground that thoy have tot lald a proper founiation for the introduction of those words. Lt has not. beon shown thut Dr. ‘homas ever uttered thom. It has not Leen shown Uhut they are on any manus kerlpt that Dr. Thomas ever wrote. No witness has been culled to prove that bo over benrd them, or that. he tuck thon down from Dr, ‘Thouias’ byes. aAttgr somo talk, and Dr. Parkhurst had pledged himself to bring tho words hone ta Dr, Thoms, tho extrnat wus allowed to yo in, and proved to be the last one wiven In the speciticas Hang above, Witness compured tt with the In fer-Cccan, und founda varkinee of ono Wword— “trouble” inated of truth.” Me, Honnett—It iy not un exact copy. Dr, Markburst hougroement ls substantint, and it ty compat Mv. Bannott—Words nreovory thing Iu a boresy 1, Thore is a wey to wet ut them. Tho Presiding Elder—Put in sumo evidence, fe wo will rule it out or jn whan we find whut 8. “How do you got those sermons? What fs yottr cnstom?”* Mr. Bennett—I object. Is it the propor way to (dentify the words of De. Thoms by stating: tho customs of reporters In’ setting informa: uon? Prova fucts, not customs, Considerable sparring followea between tho connsel, tho Presiding Bilder tloally putting at ond to it by ndinitting all questions, aid roaurv> ing tho right to rule thont gut or in after con- sideration, Witness explained how be got serinons, but not heme nble to stuto bow he obtained this particular one, bo wag dismttaaed with v request to Dad ut, and come Jn the morning and tell. J. M. CALDWELL, ‘The Rov, J. M. Culdwoll was called, and teatl- fled to bearing Dr. Lhomas say at the prowcher's meeting some two and a half years azo that the desizn of the ntoucmont was not to reconcile God to mun, but to revonolla man to God, Tho cross-exumination was apparently de- voted to un uttompt to Impouch tho witness' recollection. Mr. Bennett was seemingly very unxlous to Know whether Blshop Merritt bud not dotivered an address on tho subjevt of tho atonement at tho meuting in question, anrd whether Dr. Bannister bad not formally oxe prossed his viows ou tho sito subject. The wit- ess thought those gentlumen did dlacuss tho matter, but whothor it was at that or another mectlog be could not suy, Thon Mr. Rennett wanted to know if Dr, Thomas’ tale wasn't in- formal, and Mr. Parkhurst vame to the witness’ relief with an objection and retort that ho didn't see how any nan could utter horostes Informally. ‘The objeerion was sustuined, aud tho aitort to shaw that tho wituess’ memory was good on one polnt aud bad on uthors wis practleally shut olf, though tho witness of hls own uvavrd observe that Dr, Thomas uttered the stutemont in the course Of a very formal speech bulf an hour Jong. As to what preceded tho utonoment atatement, ho wus pretty sure it was in barimony with Dr. Yhomus’ theory of Inspiration—not tho Verbut theury—thoteh te couldn't give the wards; whila’ aa to what followed, hls inatmory Likewise furlud bin whon it came to giving tho rls, Doctor's wor ‘The witness wanted to toll why he romom- borud the exuct language of Dr. Uhomis, there being speelal reasons, but Dr. Parkhurst suid bo vould do that utter awhile, ‘Too Roy, Georgy UC. Unnse, Seeretury of the Preachers’ Muoting, tuathicd that, according to the records, the discussion bout the ntonement took place Mareh Jl, 187i, ‘This toattmony wus put infor tho purposo of iting up the blanks In the spucitleations, M. M. PARKITURST. Dr. Parkhurst—[ upw propose to offer the tes- timouy of M.S. Parkburst. 6 Tho Presidlug Lider and Mr: Bennett sug- westod, na it was nenr the hour of udjournmont (4380), that ho walt until this morning; but tho Dogtor instated, anying It would only take a few moments, aud ho wus allowed to proceed, Ho salay ‘+ Ttve testimony undor the firat spoolfication with regurd todonytig \the fuaplration of the Beriptures, Lwis golug from the bovk room to tho Methodist Coures Wlock, where L wus thelr Pastor, walling with Dr. Thoms, We wero wong to uttond a cammittey on tha Subbath—a cominittee composed of representatives from the ditterent donuminations—ull tho preachers having tavtaud appolnted a comuilttco on the Sabbath, We were to consult and propure a roe port for the meoting, Dr, 'thorits and inyaclt were tulking on thy sidewall about (nose ques- tons. now in dischssion—tho inspiration of tho Burlptures, the atonemuntyand fature puntsl- munt, We bud six years before nud discus. Kon or talk ontne sume aubjocts, ho tolling nie bis views. Dr. Thoms then said to mer nib the Kast, und havo come ty vontiet with tho traditions and fubles of tho Must. ‘There ure muny things, Parkburat in tho Ol Lestument that you would woe bublove it you suw them in any other buok.’ In roply E suld; Thore vre a good mony things in the Now Postament 1 would wot: revolve if 1 saw them tu any othor book, He thon rovliod—wa Were ut the top of tho first Might of etalra ‘yong tu my study, Whero tha camuittes Wis to moot —brluging his band down with a youd doul of otmphisis— Thore vere a good many things in tho Oldgtestument that [ wonld not believe if 1 found thom hamy othor book, and 1 won't bo- Hove them any atioker bovauay ffm thom in tho Uld Testamont; and he added, *Thore ure a food inuny things tn tho Olu ‘Lostamunt that the Methodist Churel must throw overboard or they willetnk bur.’ {sonsation.) ‘Tho tlw of this conversation was in the winter or spring of 70’ teould idontify the tlno exactly by referring to the Niles of tho papers that gave wih Necount of tho mecting, bocwuse tho proyeudl- tf wore fully publigbed at tho thao, That is “Will you atata the time," gald Bir, Bonnett, “ whioh this conversation ousupled frum Ite bus gloning to iu ending? “fcuuldn’t tell wacthor it was five minutes or Wo wore tulking ut the book-rvom, and talked atthe foot of tha stirs; { should suy sulnowhere trom flye te tun ininutes." You tulked from the Book Concern to the plant Courch Block?” [About du foot.) cnn “And in that walk and in that time you dis- ouesud the doctrines oF futuro punlshnent, tho atonement, aud inspiration?” | (sinilod.) “Wo didnot. It you mean that we mentioned thom, f auy yeu; but we didn’t discuss thou Ja tha rene Udo of tho term divuusslon," iS Has b Dr. Whomus’ oxuct words?" * Tibial ‘Yo thu beat of iny knowledge and bulluf t bay causa It struck mo ud very jmiportunt and very peuullar for a Motbodist qninistor."* furthor crogs-oxaininution, the Pro- alding Lidor.announeed un adjourauient until Vo'uluck this worming. or —— Mr, 3. Leliunan, Pourhkeopsto, N. ¥,, writes: Lregard it a strict duty to express: my slacere thanks for the beneilla derived from the tse of St, Jacubs OU, For more Ua year 4 suffered so terribly from rhous mmatisua thaé 1 was unable to stand on my feetor use my hands, ‘The best physicians whom EF consulted could oul alturd nie temporary relief, By chance [ saw tbe ule Vertisement of St. Jucobs Oll, and bouxht 0 bottle. "The usu of the tirst bottle brought vellef, and three cured we —= 1 Health of Body ts Wealth of Mind, RADWAY’s Sarsaparillian RESOLVENT, Puro blood makesson; Bolear skin, Te you would eee ers ap tee your bones: poite iG ny i WA entries, and ca com Bg ai Meg RADWAYS alga ci A Grateful Recognition, ‘To oura a CHRONIC or onso is truly a victory. tenes Benita oe ise Fenoning power that olenrly digess ey ct and supplics a remedy; that Testorea at Pa step—by dogrees—tho body which bapteet, OF ly uttuckod aud wonkoued by anna soR Case, not only commantts our respret bee Serves Our gratitude. Dr, tnd eet nishod manklnd with’ that wondortul Radway's Sarsaparillian Itesotvent, shi cumplishos tuls result, and suffering meet who drug out an oxistunee of pain and through lone flays and long nights, os, thole gratitude."—Medtcat Messenger! Oe FALSE AND Wo extract from Dr. Rartwn: Diseaso and Ita Curo, PLIST OF DI Sansaparilian Rostra Chronic Skin Diseasos, Caries of t morg in tho. Blooll Serotulons Diseree aes Unnatural Havitot Body, Sypnitisnnd veeet Fever Soros, Chronig or Od U leurs att itheum, Kickers, Whito Swelling, Keatd Head, Uterlag Alfections, Cankors, Glandular swellings, odes, Wasting ahd Devay of the Boy, Pinploy eet Blotehos, ‘Tumors, Dyspepsia, KKtuncy and Bind dor Diseases, Chronic Kheutnativin and Gout, Consumption, Gravol, aud Calcutous Deposits, and varictivg of tha above comptalnts to which aomatiines aro given specious nantes. Wo assert that thereis no known, remedy that Possesses the enrative power over thosy diseases, that Radway's Itesolvent furnishes, Ivcuresatep by step, surcly from the foundation, nnd restores tho Injured parts to tholr sound contition, Tho wastog ot tho body are stopped, and healthy pee pup) piled oe tha. pyaton, from whieh new rmed. ‘Thia is the reel Power of Bower's Rusotvenss ie uve n onsos whore the aystom has been Ba and Moroury, Quicksilver, Corrosive Baio have agcumulited and becomo deposited in the bones, Joints, cte., causing caries of tho bones, rickets, apinal curvatures, contortions, white. swellings, varicose velng, ete. the Sarsaparills will resulvo away thoso deposits and extertile nato tho virus of tho disease fram the system, Af thaso who nro taking these medicines for tao curo of Chronia Strofulous or Syphilite cuses, howovor slow may be tho etre, “feet bete ter,"'and flud thotr general honlth Improving, thote flesh and woight increasing, or oven keep: ing its own, it isn suro Alga that tho curo is pro grossing. in thoso disuisos tho pationt elther gets better or worse—tho virua of tho disenso{s Not innetivo; [f nut arrested nud driven from the blood it will spread and continuo to undermine ‘tho constitution. As soon ng tho, Sarsaparills mukes the patient “feul better,” every hour you will grow better und jucreaso ‘in ‘hoalth, strength, and flesl, OVARIAN TUMORS, ‘Tha removal of thoso tumors by Radwar's Reaolvent is now so certainly established that what was once considered almost miraculous is now Acominon recognized fact by wl parties, Witness the cases of Haun 2, Knapp, Mr. C. Kerape Mrs. J. H. Jolly, and Mrs. P. D. Hendrix, published In our Almanay for 187; also that o| its. C. 8. [ibbing, in tha present edition of our “Tale and True." ‘One bottle contuing more of tho active princts plegof Medicines than any other Preparation, tnken in teaspoonful doos, whllo others require dive or slx times na much. | ONE DOLLAR PER BOTTLE. MINUTE REMEDY. Only requires MINUTES not TQUKS, tore Mevo pain and cure ucute disenso, RADWAY'S READY ELIE {n from ono to twenty minutes, never fails to ras Neve PAIN with ong thorough application; no mutter how ylolout or oxeraclating the pain tho Mhoumatic, bed-ridden, Intirm, Crippled, Nerv+ ous, Neurulie, or prostruted with diseaso may suffer, RADWAY'S READY RELIEF willodord instant enso, Injlammation of the Kidneys, Inflammation HA the Bladder, Eaylamunas don of" the Howelsy Conyestion of the Lungs, Sore.Thruat, Difl- cult Rreathing, Palpitation of the Heart, Hiysterics, Croup, Diphtheria, Catarrh, Ine fucnzu, Headucho, Touthache, Neuraliplay Athoumutiam, Colt Chilis, Ague Chiits, C Ulains, and Frost Bites, Bruises, Sume mer Complaints, Nervousness, Slecyteatnette Coughs, Colda, Sprains, Vains in the Chesly Suck, or Limbs, are instuntly reticved. FEVER AND AGUE! FEVER AND AGUE cured for 50 cts. Thoro is uot uy remedini agont in this world that will Sie vover, pnd gue, jpn ort Balariais, Nous, Beartot, | Typbol Yellow and au fovors inlded b: y RAWAY'S. PILLS) sv quickly eB RADWAY'S READY RELIEF. Jt wilt in a fow momenta, when taken acconl jug to the dircotions, cure Cramps, Spuxins, Sout Btomach, Hoarthburn, Sick flouduche, Diarrned, . Dysontery, Colic, Wind ts tho Luwels, aud all lus ternul Pains. ’ , ‘Pravolers should alwayacarry a bottle of ftad> wuy'a Heasy Reliof rite Hou, os fo eo ane water will prevent sickncs- . change of Waters It fa better than French Brandy or Bitters ag a stimulant. Biinors and Lumbermen should always be pro vided with it. GAUTI on’ All remedial nzanta capabio of destroying lite by an overdose Hhould be avoided, Morale oplum, strychnine, urnica, byoaciamus, and o or powertul remedies, do at certain times. 4 vory sinll docs, relieve tho putivot duriux the! avtlon in tho system. But portiaps the second dose, if ropeatod, may augravate and Scores the Buffering, and anothar dose cause deal a ‘Thore ja no nocceslty fur using those Yocertaln Agonts when a positive romedy Ike Ideas! Kendy Hellef will stop tho most exerucluting pain quicker, without entailing tho least culty in elthor infunt or adult. E TRUE RELIEF, da f "a Reavy Reiter ts tho only F Pegg wilt instantly atop palo Hifty Couts Ber Buttle. f | IIs, Raduvay’s Regulating ‘ f] Porfect Purgatives, Bouthing Aperients, AC Wirout’ Patny Atiways Stelluble aut Natural in Thele Operation A VBORTABLE SUBSTITUTE FOR CILOMEL Ht Perfectly tastalcss, olegantly coated, sweet gun, purge, regulate, purity, cleauses and strengthen, HADWAYS Fitts for tho ouro of all aisonlert of tho Stomach, Liver, Howols, Kidueys, ve dur, Nervous Disensos, Headache, ona Os A] Costivences, Lidigostion, Dyspepsia, Hilouto vor, Inilammution of tho Bowel, Pile: gure ali derangements of the Internal Viera yer rauted to offect a pormunont cure, yur MY edele etablo, contaluing no mercury, minerals, otapous ceunns na @ tho following aymptoms: seialt: Chit» jy; ses or tha dizestive orains: atipation, Inward Pilex, Fullness of tho Hood a the Hond, Aoldity of tho Bionic Narire | Hoartuuen, Diegust of Foot, Fullness cr Klay oF fo tho Stomach, Sour Eructations, Suki Flutvoring ut ta Iieurt, Choking ov Satesieg Sensauions when tno ipiuw posts pain ha Webs hofore the Bight, Fuver and Dui Yellow the Hud, Detlolenoy of Hers rahe sid ness 0! oO in ant HyCS, bit ¢: react, nit Timbs, and duduen Pushes of Heat, ‘tesb. A tow dosos of Hanway's PIts veil 0 the system from all the sboyouamed dite: Prleo, Fed Cente Per He Se Wo repeat that the reader mu u books Sule papers ‘on tha subject of diseases and thele cura, Boone wbleb niuy be name ‘ “Radway on gr ibe rete.” “s Radway on Sorefulas’ To And ‘others relating 10 ‘Tiqoront classes of D oes SOLD BY DRUGGISTS. yr READ “FALSE AND TRUS, fyi alottor-atamp to FADE tork br ‘Grren, cor, i set Tormution worth thousands will bu seat you Tv C. un Le ter guuranted of # ng of bie anwariaokiccstaulisued He es es piks than the bass and worthless inte ai theta, us thera aro Fuise Hesolvents, Hell Pills,’ Be suro and ask for Radway eau that the name "tadway” is ou wit?