Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, June 6, 1880, Page 10

‘JUNE 6, 1880—SIX'REN #: 8s eee 4HE CHICAGO TRIBUNE: SUNDAY, 7 “facto way; that we sbould bave the benefit in a Hepublican Convention of our own precedents, and whut ‘we believe to be in our State Conven- the ‘National Committce. that the cares cited by the zentloman from hn ve . the action of ga yesterday nets proud of the inde- all parallel, ond I am as al pataeh ee the “Republican voters of That ‘State as ho is 1 was one of them = myself once. And I know about as much. I think, as any one necd to know about the practice in that. State. And I enow that it differs entirely. and aways has, from tho prictice that has obtained in Kansas. 1p Ohio, Jee districts elect their delegates themselves, in- dependent of the te Convention and inde- endent of the machinery of that Convention; Pot the districts could zu and elect one man, to erfarm two things—to-wit: to go tothe State & vention and vs: in choosing fourdeiegates- Marme and to choose, weting separately in acity, acting directly for the di: fercons representing that Congressional district. “And 1 ask this Convention to note that there is ho comparison. between these two cascs as 2 Pitter of fact, whazever; because in the case in Ohio, as in Mussacbuscti ‘and these other States Chive they have this town-meeting idea in re- gard things, which is all well enough, apd 1 do not dispute it, which they now seek to apply to communities where these reagons do not apply.—I also say it differs go that their proceeding is different from ours. We bave not elected, and never have elected, men whose functions were solely and only, or even partially. to be members of a district Con- Sention fot the clection of two delegates to rep- yesent that district in Convention. "In Obio, un- der the practice also, whea these district dele- gates hive been numed, their names are certi- fied to the State Convention, and for_conveni- ence sake they are put upon the roll of the dele- gates from Obiio; but their functions were given fo them by the districts themselves acting sepa- rately, and the State Convention gives them po Yitality whatever,—which is an entirely different c. bats I said, there is no personal controversy in this. neither is there any political controversy. Whoever you putin, or whocyer you take out, makes no difference with the loyalty of Kansas. ‘A Etate, Mr. President, which FOUGHT TO GET INTO A UNION, nu supposed to be trembling on the verge Sper euon, ‘and fought to maintain it after it‘ got in, is not going to give uD the principles of Republican liberty now [applause], or any por- tdon of their rights whatever. fApplause.]} ‘The Chairman—The time allotted to the side resented by the gentleman who has just taken Eis seat bus exactly expired. 'L.C. Houck, of Tennessee—I rise to ask if there are ves rere from the Committee on the State of Kansas? ‘The Chairman—The Chair wil! call upon the Chutrman of the Committee to answer that ques- tion. Mr. Conger—The Committee was divided, but there was only one report. ‘Mr. Cessna, of Penneylvania—Allow me to say there ia no minority report in this case from any member of the Committee. ‘Mr. Houck—I desire to ask another question. How many Congressional districts are there in ‘the State of Kansas? Mr. Conger—Three. Mr. Houck—How are these delegates appor- tioned betweon the three districts? ‘Mr. Conger—Four to one and three to each of ‘te others, br the resolution of the Convention appolnting the ton. ‘Mr. Houck—Then the State Convention did not, in the selection of these delegates, conform ‘to the call of the National Committee by ap- pointing four for the State-at- ‘and two From each Congressional district. [Applause.} Am I right? ‘Mr. Conger—Not designating them separately. Mr, Houck—Then, us] understand the report of the Committee on Credentials, the State Con- vention of Kansas selected ten delegates, all as though they were sclectea for tho State at large, without regard w districts; or, rather, they apportioned three to one, four 'to ‘another, and two to another. ‘Mr. Conger—Three to another. “Mr. Houck—Three to another. Mr. Conger—The Stare Convention, from what appeared before the Committee, gave four dele- gates to one district, that being the largest one, and three to each of the others. Itis but fair to preaume that two of those in the district where ‘there were four were INTENDED FOR DELEGATES AT LARGE. {Cries of “Ob, no; that won't do.”) ‘Mr. Houck—Not separately. Now, I would like to ask another question. Does the report of the Committee proceed upon the ides that the State Convention transcended its authority in not fol- Jowing the cali assicning the delegates to the districts as provided in that call? Mr. Conger—Not at all, In one district there ‘was no separate District Delegate Convention, as it is called. in two there were, on notice given bythe Chairman of the Convention in open Convention. Two districts met, and the Committee find that 2 majority of the delegates in the two districts elected the two persons re- ported severally for those districts as the dele- gates at large. On that there was no dispute in the Committee. ‘Mr. Houck—! desire to say this: I understand the Chair to announce that the time allotted to the side on which the gentleman from Kansas uddressed the Convention has expired. The re- inaining time belongs to the opposition. I would like to make a few observations on this ques- tion, and yet I am unable to say that I'am azainst the gentleman from Kansas or that lam for him. [Luughter.} ‘The Chairman—The Chair is of opinion that the gentleman must be on one side or the other in order to take part in the debate. (Great Igughter.] ‘The Convention will come to order. ‘Nr. Cossna—I wouid suggest that five or ten minutesbe given to any gentleman who is on neither side, or who is on both sides. [Laugh- ter.) ‘Mr. Houck—I am so well: acquainted with the fairness and impartiality of my distinguished friend from Michigan, that I am Satistled he will yield mea couple of ' minutes to ascertain as 10 Which side of this question J am on. [Laughter.] Mr. Conger—That is not for the compliment, ‘but to enable the gentleman to fix his mind in some direction satisfactory to the Convention, Dauehter | Mr. Houck—I think my mind is fixed after the suggestion of the gentleman. ‘Mr. Conger—I yield to him. Mr. Houck—I desire to say this: that if it was an original question, Ishould bein favor of 80 construing the Electoral College, and so con- forming purty usage to that construction and orgunization of the Government, as to select delegates to the National Convention from Con- eressional districts, but I understand the con- vention and delegate system is assimilated ‘to that of the Eiectoral College. The Electoral vote of a Stnte is secured by 1 unit, and gentle- men are taken from one end of the State to the other, comprising ull the districts. As long as that policy obtains, and we udhere to the present Electoral system,—the Convention and delemute Bystem assimilated to that,—I hold that the del- egates to a National Convention should be sce- lected through the same forms, the same m eth- ‘ods that the Electoral vote is cast in the State,— allparts of the State tobe beard. [Applause.] But, Mr. Chairman, I wish to locate myself now by voting in this exceptional case, as the State Convention fuiled to follow the call of the National Committee,—failed to sclect two delegates from each district and four from the State at large; and, there being no minority report, [shall vote for the report as it comes from the Committee; but by that vote I do not intend to signify that I would yicld the right of ‘the party in the State,—us the . ELECTORAL VOTE IS EITHER A UNIT or nothing at all in that State,—I would not yield the right of the party in that State, in its aggre- gate capacity, to select these delegates to a Na- tional Convention, assimilated as they are to the Electoral College. {Applause.] Mr. Plumb—I rise to a point of order. A delegate from Michigan—Mr. President — Mr. Bateman, of Ohio—Mr. President — Tho Chairmaa—The gentloman from Kansas _ to: a pointof order. Will ho please state @ point. Mr. Plumb—The order of tho Convention was dhat the Kansas men were to tight this out, and t submit we have a right to continue until we are through before we areinterrupted by others. ‘The contestants in this State desire to be heard. The Chairman—The Chair presumes the gecllenie from Michigan arises to address the Yonvention in support of the report of the Com- nittee on the Kansas case. Is not that 60? ‘The delerute—That ts 80. Mr. Plumb—Then I make thisinquiry: Is that to come out of the time which bas been allotted by ae Convention to the parties to this contro- versy’ A delegate—Certainly it 1s. Mr. Plump—Does it come out of our side? ‘The Chairman—The Chair does not understand that the orderof the Convention requires the Chair as a matter of right to prefer in the allot- ment of the tlooradelegate from Kansas to a Stranger, but the Chnir presumes that the courtesy of the delegates will induce them to give the preference to the Kansas men. Mr. Bateman—I do not rise for the purpose ‘merely of renewing a discussion in which I par- ticlpaied to a large extent, and to the fullest degree in tha first case presented. Ido so only at the request of the contestants in this case, and not of my own motion. Mr. Chairman, 1 ‘think that the facts in thiscase have been pretty falrly Stated to the Convention, and I may be indulged in a brief summary of them. Kansas fs divided into three districts. It so happens ‘that a. one, of rar 1e rman . frain trot nee Gentlemen must re- m conversation. Mr. Bateman—Itso happens that in one of ‘se districts the persons holding to a certain Fresidontial preference—it don’t mnke any dif- re very large! : jority, whilst the ag iy da tse e ea coreat SIDE BELD SMALL MAJORITIES @ remaining districts. The Con’ called. and delegates wero appointed vo ie, aad in that Convention they selected a committee for the purpose of nominating delegates to the Nationxl Convention. Those delegates were ap- portioned tour to one district in which the large majority was placed, and three to the remaining two districts That Committee reported by resolution. A resolution was offered, and immediately“ upon its offering. with- ous opportunity to anybody, the pre- vious question was put. No ‘chance ‘was given to the other side, or to the remaining dis- triets to present their candidates to the Conven- Yon. ut the previous question was put and the resulution was carned by the majority of the oue district over the smill ‘majorities of the other two. As to the other two districts, the eelegates met in separate Convention and se- Jected their own two representatives, intending to present them to the Conventicn, and intend- XN “opportunity ing to propose them ss substitutes for the per- -sons that may huve been selectea or might be selected by the Committee and by the applica- tion of the previous question. Even that Now, Mr. Presi- dent, it 1s a case, a clear case, in which the pplication of the principle that has been so decisively sustained by this Convention from the outset of its nction upon this report. Ido uot believe, Mr. Chairman, in the right of a powerful inajori ty iat one locality to overrule and control votes by means of the State Conventions or otherwise in other localities: pecans] The Republican party of the United tates has been compelled to contemplate with @ spectacle of ruin year after year in the glorious State of New ‘York, where the overwhelming majority ‘under the lead of Tammany—that organization of political jealousics under Boss-Tweed and John Kelly—has been able to overrule the was cut off. sorrow and disgust t “glorious Republican communities north of Har- tem Bndge. [Applause.]_ I don't want, to sce ee ae oc tithemany Hail kept up and main- tuined in the Republican party anywhere. [Ap- plause.] And I don’t intend to vote for it. It was upon that principle. Mr. Chairman, that -1 voted for this report. It was to secure a fair representation to these two districts, that have thus been overborne, an even chance to be heard in the Convention that was controlling them, or assuming to control them, denied by the harsh application of the previous sueston, ‘Mr. Chairman, I do not know but 1! is is al that it muy be proper or necessary for, mo to say in behalf of the contestants. It is their whole case. It is merely an attempt to secure Congressional district representation in this Convention, according to tho rule upon which it is conetituted in the call made for it by the National ecutive, Committee. [Applause,and cries of “Question.”]- ‘Mr. Conger—Mr. Chairman, I now call for a ‘vote on the question. ‘The Chairman—The question ison the adop- tion of the report. Is the Convention ready for the question? . ‘The mosicn teat pt he house, the ayes ap- arently having the majority. ki Senutor Plumb—L ask that the roll be called, The Chairman—The roll will be called. All those in favor of the adoption of the report of the majority ot the Committee so far a8 it ro- Intes tothe State of Kansas will vote aye when the roll is called, throuzh the several Chairmen of the delegations. All opposed wil! vote'no. ‘Mr. Turner, of Alabama—l ask that Alabama be_ passed. . ‘The call was proceeded with, but before the Sceretary had unponnced the result— Mr. Gary, of Maryland—Mr. Chairman—— The Chairman—For what purpose does the gentleman from Maryland rise? ‘Mr. Gury—There was some misapprehension in regard to the question on the vote. Maryland wwishes to change her voto to ll ayes and 5 noes. Senator Plumb, of Kansas—Mr. Chairman—— The Chairman—For what purpose does the gentleman from Kansas rise? Senator Plumb—I ask that Kansas be called again. ‘The Chairman—Kansas will bo called again. The Secretary called the State of Kansas. Senator Plumb—Kunsas votes 5 votes * No.’ ‘The Chairman—The Chair in informed by the reading-clerks that no one of the Secretaries of the Convention is present upon the platform. ‘Those gentlemen will be kind enough to have at jeast one of their number instantly upon the platform, because the record of the proceedings of this Convention rest for its verilicution upon the es en of the Secretary. ‘The Heading-Clerk—The vote stands ns fol- Jows: Total vote, 640,—ayes, 416; noes, 164; not voting, %,—as follows: 20] Wisconsin. Arizona. New Jersey. ws. Tne Chairman—The Convention adopts so much of the majority report as relates to the State of Kansas. WEST VIRGINIA. TWO SHERMAN MEN ADMITTED. ‘The Chairman—The next question is upon that portion of the report which relates to the State of West Virginia. Mr. Conger, of Michigan—Mr. Chairman, the next case is the case of West Virginia, the Third Congressional District. The report of the Com- mittee is very brief, and Iwill read it to tho Convention. “In the Third Congresstonal District the Committeo recommend that the sitting members be allowed to retain their seats, Z. D. Itamsdell and 1. A. Martin. ‘The seats of these dclezates were contested by J. W. ‘Davis and John H. Rossier, on the ground that they ‘were duly elected by the District Sub-Convention, but there is a controversy whether they actually received the votes of a majority, of the delegates to the Stato Convention from the Congressional district, and the ‘Committee tind that that fact is not proven.” The contestants claim that there was a-meet- ing of delegates of tho Third Congressional Dis- trict, and that at that meeting they were elected delegates to the National Convention as district delegates, There is no question but that there was called on the evening of the day of theCon- vention 2 District Convention. There is no ques- tion but that some the delegates from that Convention were present. Jt was disputed, and in the opinion of a majority of the Convention it was proven, that there was not present 2 ma- jority of the delegates of the district. ‘The difliculty, Mr. Chairman, consists in this. According to the custom, in West Virginia, each delegate -was entitled to cast one vote in the State Convention, or in the District Convention, for each 25 Republican yotes of some preceeding election. It was claimed, and in the opinion of the majority of the Committee proven, that there was not in that District Convention a majority either of the delegates or of the votes represented by those delegates in that district. That is the only point before the Convention that the ma- jority have to report. The only point which tho majority have to report is that under this claim they find that there wus not a msdority: of the delegates from the Third Congressional District Sub-Convention or in the resent in the elegate Convention, and therefore that there was not a majority ‘of tho delegates, or of the votes they wero entitied to cast, cast for these contestants; otherwise the majority of the Committee, fol- lowing the rule which they have adopted, would have recommended the contestants to their sects, Mr. Chairman, in the report of the majority, tbe credentials of the alternates were either Bor pene ied or were omitted; and I ask that the alternates of the sitting members, A. F. Sharp and L. W. Keplingery be considered in the report, and follow the fate of the delegates themsvlves, Ipresume there be no ob- Jection to that. ‘After consideration, Mr. Conger said: Ihad mistaken the district; it is another district; I recall that request. iJ ‘The Chairman called for the question on the adoption of the majority report. ‘Mr. Powell Clayton, of Arkansas, offered jthe following resolution: Resolved, That the report of the minority, as relates tothe contest in West Virginia.be substituted for that portion uf the majority report relating to the same. Gen. Raum, of Illinois, asked that the report of the minority on this subject be read. He said: It is very brief, and I will state before the reading of tbat report ag one of the members of that Committce, tL assisted in the examina- tion of that case, and I stute deliberately to this Convention that it stands preciscly on all-fours with the Iilfnois cnse and the Kansns case; and, ag this Convention bas seated the contesting del- egates from Llinois and those from Kansas, it is proper also to seat those contesting delegates of West Virginia. The Chairman—The Chair will direct so much of the minority report to be read. ‘The minority report was read by the reading clerk, as follows: ‘The minority wish to call the attention of the Con- Yention especially to the contest. in’ West, Vircinin, We insist that lt stands, in respect to principle and facts, precisely npon the same ground of tha cuntests in Ilfnols, Alabama, and Kansas. ‘The contestants were selected as delegates by the caucus, or Conve! don, as characterized by the inafority of the Congr slonal delegutes in attendance upon the State to yention. ‘Their nawes were reported to the Conven- tion. ‘The State Convention refused to give them credentials to this Convention, but selec:ed other Gelegates upon the ground tbat ‘the contestants, al- though properly representing the sentiments of thelr constituents, were not in accord with the majority of Me Re moinority insise that if th rt of th re ne minority insist that, if the report of the majori- ty in reapect t) Lilinols, Alabama, und Kansas meals adopted, tbe contestanis from West Virginia should also, be ‘admitted to seats in this Convention in place of the sitting delegates. Mr. Codman, of Massachusette—Mr. President and gentlemen of the Convention: I had the honor of being a member of your Committee on Credentials, and I have acted with that Commit- tee. Ihave come to the conclusion to which they have come, that the district, wherever it determines or desires representation in the Na- tional Convention, shall have it accorded. I huve been consistent in that in my votes all through, The Convention has supported that view of the question, and I ask the Convention to support it nov, although the Committee ou Credentials in this case, and in this case alone, has refused to support them. [Applause.} Why, gentlemen, these contestants WERE ELECTED BY THEIR DISTRICT, and, because they were not satistactory to the State Conventon, the report of the district del- egates stating that they had been elcoted was rejected by their Convention, and two other per- sons, the eitting members, substituted in their pisces. Why the Committee came to this con- clusion I cannot imagine, unless it be, genue- men, that we heard this cuse about 4o'clock in the morning, when a great many of us were tired. Some of us may have been asicep, and some of us were absent. Now we submit to the Convention that we are bound by our‘own prec- edents. [hold that the National Convention has a right to make and to establish precedents; and, having decided in the case of Alabama, and in the case of illinois, and in the « sc of Kansas, that districts shall be represented when, district delegates have been chosen, they are und in this case to seat the contestants and owes the report of the Committee. [Ap- Asay further, Nr. President, the question was ‘ung members have a dlong after these events of fact as to raether ike districts had met and chosen dele- tes. It was not raised at the time. It was ac- quiesced in then. A majority of the district re- ported the names of their delegates to the Con- potion. ‘There was no question then that they had not been fairly elected. It was assumed that they had been, and an attempt was made to unseat them by adopting the minority report, which was successtul in that Convention, But it is idle to talk nbout a question of fact. Thold in my hand @ statement, which 1 do not believe will be denied. that in those counties that repre- sented that district which we are discuss- ing to-duy there were 908 regular votes. They were counties casting, had they been fully represented, 308 votes; and the other coun- ties, had they been fully represented, would have cast 174 votes; and the county that repre- sented the 308 votes voted for these contestants. Ido not think that will be denied. Now, Bir. President and gentlemen of this Convention, I do not stand here to support any candidate. We have no candidate, but we care for tho honor of the Republican party [ap- plause], a party of honorable men, regardless of candidates, to reject the report of the Com- mittec in this instance, and to scat THESE CONTESTING DELEGATES. J. ML Hogans, of West Virginia—Dir. Presi- len The Chairman—The’ gentleman from West Virginia. Mr. Conger—On the time of the contestants I wish to say an additional word; thon I will leave tho discussion. ‘The Chiuirman—There Is no time limited. Mr. Conger—Will the gentleman allow me to mako a remark? ‘The Chairman—Will the gentleman yield to the Chairman of the Committec? ‘Mr. Hugaus—Yes, sir. Mr. Conger—tr. Chairman, as Chairman of the Committee I have stated the action of the ma- jority of the Committee. Lhave felt it my duty, neting in that capacity, to state to this Conven- tion just what the majority directed me to say. It is due to myself personally, perhaps, if it is of importance enough, to say that the Committee were nearly evenly divided upon the question, and that my own personal convictions, and those of some other members, may not have been represented by the majority report of this Committee. [Applause.] But fidelity to my duty as Chairman required me to present the views of the majority as they were expressed, and I endeavored to do so faith ae The gen- tleman from West Virginia, bimself a delegate from that State and himself a delegate on tho Committee of Credentinls, will explain matters more and better than I can. Mr. Haguns—The gentleman from Massachu- chusetts has sald we may be asleep nt that hour of 4 o'clock in the morning when we of that Committee were examining the caso of West Virginia, and, judging from his own statement of his own ‘case, 1 am eure I am inclined to think he was asleep. [Applausc.] Why, sir, he has totally misconceived the cuse. He was either asleep or has misstated it now What are the facts? ‘The sittings delegutes, Mar- tin and Ramsiell, were elected by a District Convention held on the same day that we held our State Convention in West Virginia. They were reported to the State Convention, and the action of the District Committee was ratified by the State Convention, and the majority of all those participating were satisfied when theso tivo identical gentlemen were elected by that District Convention. They have the best ere- dentials, or as good credentials as any mentle- man representing any State on this floor. It is the custom, the usage, and the practice of West Virginia Republicans to cull a State Convention TO NOMINATE DELEGATES tothe National Convention. We did so. After the State Convention orgunizes, provides the various Committees on Organization and the basis of representation, and other matters, {t generally takes a recess of two or three hours in order to enable the district delegates to mect in the afternoon at separate places and nominate delegates to the National Convention to be re- ported to the State Convention. ‘That course Was pursued on the 12th of May when we held our State Convention, and these two gentlemen, Ramsdell, and Martin, were elected by their District Convention, and all were ratified by the State Convention. Now, let me tell you one thing further, because it would seem very strange to the gentlemen, after making such a statement as that, why there was a contest at ill, ‘A delegate—Where wus the contest? Mr. Haguns—I will make an explanation. IT know gentlemen might reasonably expect to make an inquiry of that kind after the state- ment I have made regarding these two mem- bers. The difliculty arises, gentlemen, just here: There was a difference of opinion among the delegates in that district. They differed as to the choice—I will say aspirants—perhaps I am not wrong if I were to make the remurk— they differed in their opinions in that district 23 to the President; and held a convention, and, by some unfortuitous circumstance,—I know not what, for I was far away attending to the affairs in my own dis- trict.—the Second Congressional District,—by some unfortuitous circumstance, they sepa- rated, and one was held in 2 room at the hotet,— one District Convention, and the other was held ina room at the Hepublican headquarters. The two gentlemen who are the sitting members, and whom the majority report recommends shull be entitled to sents on the floor, were the gentlemen elected at the Convention held at the Republican headquarters. This question and this alone was submitted at the mnecting of the Committee on that given stute of facts, because the Committee had PASSED ON THE QUESTION of district representation long before the case of West Virginia was ‘reached. Hero thoy stood. Which were tho district delegates was the question for the Committee to determine. ‘The contestants said they were. The sittin; members suid, We are. Now to tho law an the testimony. Well, sir, they produced an affidavit—the sitting members did—I hold it in my hand now. In it they say in their meeting, yarious or sundry counties were represented—I will not read the names—they are familiar Vir- ginia names—Braxton—they gave us one name— Lincoln—since the War; Mason, and other heroes living in the State, and some of them national; it jis | not worth while to read them. They say that the counties represented were entitled, according to the basis of representation fixed by the Stute Convention, —that they represented in that Convention 370 yotes, being a majority of all the votes to which the Third Congressional District was entitled in snid State Convention under the busis of repre- sentation adopted by the State Convention, be- cause when we first meet in the State Conven- tion we ndopt then ind there tho basis of repre- sentation, complete our organization before these delegates mect in District Convention. Now, think I have stated that whole ease. The question for this Con- vention to decide is a question—and the whole question—whether or not they will sustain the rule of the majority. . These gentle- men produce an affiduvit to that effect, signed by four gentlemen, some of them delegates and some of them not; and it is sworn to under seal. The other gentlemen produce no affidavits what- ever. Mr. Butterworth, of. Ohio—Wiil the gentleman allow me to ask them 2 question? ‘Mr. Hagans—Certainly. Mr. Butterworth—Does tne gentleman under- Stand that it was agreed between the contestants ane the contestecs that the: proceedings of the State and District Conventions, as reported in the daily press of Wheeling, were to be accept- ed as presenting a FAIR AND CORRECT STATEMENT of what took place in the State and District Con- ventions in the several districts? ‘Mr. Hagans—I don’t know how that is, but I am inforined by a member of the Committee on Credentials who sits ncar me that it was not. Mr. Butterworth—l so understood it. Mr. Hagans—Perbaps thoy did so, but I don’t think it chunges the record in the least, Mr. Butterworth—I understand that the report showed thut the contestants received in their District Convention, so called, a decided major- ity of the votes of the district, and it was so re- ported to the State Convention. 1 may be in er- ror, but 1 so understood it from the delegation. Mr, Hagans—I take pleasure in making an ex- planation to the gentieman from Ohio. It is this, sir. When the Third District was called for to report from its District Convention a gentle- man arose and made a statement—he rend it from a paper—that the y had had a meeting, and that certain candidates had been elected. Very well. When we closed it, then the gentleman representing the other wing of this business arose, and he also read the proceedings of a dis- trict meeting. Both parties claimed a majority, and God only knows bow it was—T do not. I only know that four gentlemen have sworn tothe fuct in these affidavits, and with them and God and this Convention the matter lies. I am candid and impartial in the matter. [have only stated the facts,and that is all 1 know of ‘A delegate—There is no affidavit against it— no counter proof ngainst it. Mr. Houk—I want to ask the gentleman a question. Mr. Hagane—Certainly. Mr. Houk—I desire to ask the gentleman——- The Chairman—Does the gontleman yield? Mr. Hugans—I yield for that purpose, sir. Mr. Houk—Aceording to his own statement the matter is left uncertain as_ to whether the contestants were olected by the Dis- trict Convention or not. Now, the question 1 desire to propound to the gentleman is wholly in ard to the snered right of representation for which he and his friends contend—if he had not better give the DISTRICT THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT, and not override what might be the will of this sacred right. Mr. Hagans—If the gentleman desires to put himself and his party iu the prisoner's box I will give him the benefit of it. Now, sir, so far as that is concerned—— ‘Mr. {Houk—I and my party are not very famil- jar with prisoners’ boxes, only when we prose- cute felons, (Laughter. Bir. Hagans—Very well; very well. Mr. Houk—TI do not know what the gentleman means by that method of Saewer ne I have heard a great deal about the sacred right of dis- trict representation. If this right be so sacred, -Ithink the gentlemen who have expended so much eloquence in defense of that right ought to show their faith by their works, and see that the districts are not cheated out of their rights. Mr. Hagans—All right, Mr. President. The gentleman can take either born of the dilema he pleases. They reportonthis cuse—the mua- jority of the Committee report—that the con- testants did not prove their cases. The sit- prima facie case, having been certified to by the State Conven- tion, giving them a prima facie case. Now, then, they went tothe proof before the Committee, and the proof was shown, and the contestants failed to prove their case. . Wherefore there was aprima facie caso at least. If the tlemen want legal technicalities they stan' ae ul a sitting members. But Lam for the sacre Fight of district representation. That is where stand. £ dir. Houk—Will the gentleman yield for an- other question? Tho Ghairman—win the gentieman from Wost Way aos yield? Este Mr. Hagans—Certainly. Mr. Houk—I desire to ask the gentleman where the majority in that district are,—whether they are for the gentleman roprosented by the sitting member, or for the candidate represented by the contestants, - : "A delegate—What tho public sentiment is, Mr. Houk—I want that question answered. Mr. Hagans—I will do my best to answer that question. : Mr. Houk—Iwant to know what they would have done, if they could have done it. A delegate—Let it be answered. Mr. Hagans—Well, gentlemen, I can only say this: The Third District is.150 miles from where Tlive, and I haye not personally visited the dis- trict for about six or cight yeas so far asLam concerned. It lies over on the other water-shed from mo. Now, I know not what the public sentiment was, and I cannot tell whatitis. Ido not run around before conventions and en- deavor to ascertain what it is, as far as T am concerned. faa . Mr. Houk—Will the gentleman, yield another moment? I desire to ask bim if it was not re- rted that at n meeting of delegates in this istrict the gentlemen declared for Jobn Sher- man, or some other candidate than the one represented by tho sitting member? rr. Hngans—If Iam to be accountable for all the reports in this country in relation to that mation the Lord only knows what will become of me. Mr. Houk—I will not hold the gentleman ac- countable for all the reports, nor will I hold bim responsible for the vj CONDITION OF THAT DISTRICT, put Ido think he is a very unsatisfactory wit- ness, as he evidently does not know anything about it. Mr. Hagans—Mr. President, I have made a ‘These parties are all statement in this case. personal friends of mine. have endeavored to do it with the same degroe of candor and fair- ness that I would upon the bench determining a question in a judicial form. Mr. Butterworth, of Ohio—Was not the prima facie case of the sitting member the result of the disregard of the understanding, it there was one, that the newspaper account of the affair shonld be received us evidence? I wil! put the question again, Is it not the fact that the w derstanding, if there was one, that the newspa- per necount should be received and uceepted as & correct statement of the proceedings of the Convention—ff that was not rojected as the evi- dence; if your Committee did not act in viola- tion of the understanding to which I have re- ferred, and the paper you hold in your hand ac- cepted as tho etatemont? fr. Hacans—I can only answer the gentleman in this respect. The papers were before the Committee just like, I suppose, the plaintiff and defendant stand before the jury, and just as if the plaintiff's evidence is not believed and the defendanys is.- I know of no other way of stat- ing ; ‘Sir. Butterworth—It was understood that it was accepted onall hands as a correct statement ot what took place,and that having reached here the contestants, being only armed with that newspaper, found that thoro was some supple- mental matter, and that was this other puper repared in violation of that understanding, or in derogation of it. : , Mr. Hagans—Yes; I catch your idea now. | Mr. Butterworth—Or, rather, in contraven- tion of it. 1 only want to got at what is fair, ‘Mr. Hagans—I now catch the gentleman’ 'sidea. It was this: There was no arrangement, or no agreement, that the nowspaper statement should be taken as the facts in the case until—if there was one at. all—until the case was browne up before the Committee, that I know of. Surely none made in West Virginia that ever T heard tell of. 1 do not think the parties passed a word of intercourse from_the time that Convention met, or bad a word of communication, in any way, written or oral, until they reached this city. [Cries of *Question,”"} Mr. Hnvmond. of Colifornia—Mr. President, I think that gentleman need not worry about the question of district or State representation, for that question is not involved in this case. Whichever way this Convention votes upon this question it will recognize the right of district representation. Both the sitting members and the contestants claim title to their seats by virtuo of an alleged election at the bands of the district. And the only ques- tion before this Convention, and the only ques- tion considered by the Committee, was as to which of the two were the regularly ELECTED DELEGATES OF THE DISTRICT. Now, that is aquestion of fact; and all the Committee decides is, by a majority of the men who were awake, and were there, that the sit- ting members here were legally elected district delegates. Now, whichaver way this Conven- tion may vote, a mau need not be afraid to stul- tify himself. {Smiles and “Ob!"] The result of that yote-is only a decision that the party re- ceiying the majority was the legally elected rep- resentative of that district to this Convention. [= Question!" “ Question!"’] Mr. Codman, of Massachusotts—I want to say two words, {Cries of “Time.”] ‘The Chairman—There is no time, limited on this ease by any order of the Convention. ‘Mr. Codman—I desire to say this: Thegentle- man tells us that there is no question involved here of district representation as against State representation. ill that gentleman deny to this Convention that the State Convention of ‘West Virginia undertook to substitute for tho report of the district delegates the report of a minority of those delegates? Will he undertake to deny ‘what was known to every man in West Virginia, or in Wheeling, where the Convention had met? He has not denied it. It is a question of district representation. It is this, whether a majority of the district shall rule, or the minori- ty of the district shallrule. I put that to the Convention in reply to the gentloman from Cal- ifornia (Mr. Haymond). ‘Mr. Hagans—Thero is _no question of whether this isa minority or a majority. It was deter- mined upon the affidavit. The affidavit deter- mined the question that the Convention that elected the sitting members was the majority of all the delegates from that district. [* Timel” “Timel] The Chairman—Is the Convention ready for the question? ‘Mr. Conger—I move that the debate on this case be now closed. The motion was ado ted. John H. Riley, of West. Virzinia—Mr. eet | man, J desire to'ask the Secretary to is affidavit that pertains tothis case. [‘No!” “No!”] It is a short one. th Nol"] ‘The Chairman—The Convention has decided to close the debate. {t can only be done by unanimous consent. Is there objection? Several voices—Yes. The Chairman—Objection is made. The ques- tion is, will the Convention substitute for so much of the report of the majority as relates to the State of West Virginia so much of the re- port of the minority as relates to that State. Gentlemen in favor of the contestants vote for the motion; gentlemen in fayor of the sitting members yote azainst the motion. ‘The motion was put. Senator Dorsey, of Arkansas—Let us have tho roll, Mr. President, a ‘The Chairman—The Chair is indoubdt. The roll of States will be called. ‘Mr. Turner, of Alabama—lI rise to ask If this is upon the rdoption of the substitute? ‘The Chairman—This is for the adoption of the substitute. Gentlemen in favor of the substi- tute which reports in favor of the contestants will say aye. Gentlemen opposed to the substi- tute, and in favor of the sitting members 28 their Statesare called will sayno. The Clerk will call the roll. Mr. White, of Kentucky—Mr. Chairman, there are some pentiemen in this part of the hall who .do not understand the question. Will the Chair please to put it? The Chairmun—The Chair will state the ques- tion again once more, and the Convention will rive its attention in quiet. The question ts on the motion to substitute the report of the mi- nority for the report of the majority. The report of the minority is for the contestants; the re- port, of the majority is for the sitting members, ‘The Secretary will call the roll of States. ‘The Seerctarv called the roll. A delegate from Virginia—Mr. Chairman, dur- ing the taking of that vote one of our delega- tion was absent; he is now here and decides to have his yote recorded “No.” The vote stands 16 “nyes” and 6 “noes.” ‘The Seeretary—The total vote cast is 747 votes. Ayes, 417; naya, 330; not voting, 9—as follows: si Tea. Noy; re cnet Sot ry EBaokl Pass: Bt rorrsornonecs! emesis! Dakota. Maryi ~-[District Columbia, 1 Massachusetts... 25 ;-/Idaho.. ‘Michigan. 1 at ta. 74 Gi 5] 6) | — BB) Totaheenensees Al or a) The Chairman—The_ minority report is substi- tuted for the report of the majority. The ques- tion toad comes on the question of the amended repo! ‘he question having been put, the Chairman declared it adopted. UTAH. THE CONTESTANTS ADMITTED. The Chairman—The next case is the case of Utah. Mr. Conger (of Michigan}—I move to limit de- eae on that case to fifteen minutes on each le. ‘The Chairman—The gentleman from Michigan moves that debate in regard to the case of Utah be limited to fifteen minutes on each side. ‘The motion, having been put, was declared by the Chairman carried. * Mr. Conger—Before going to that case—~ ‘Mr. Harrison (of Tennessee)—I rise to & ques tion of privilege, oe — ‘The Chairman—What Is the question of privi- lege? ‘Mr. Harrison—At the request of a number of delegates around me I hve to ask that the win- dows be hoisted for some more ventilation intho ball. ‘The Chairman—That matter is in the hands of the Sergeant-at-Arms. The Sergoant-at-Arms will take notice of the request. Bir. Conger—I askt unanimous consent on be- bal€ of the Committee that the alternates, who ure left out by mistake in the Kansas case, may be included, so that they be entitled to their seats. ‘The Chairman—No objection being made it will be ordered that the report in regard to Kan- a3, which relates to the delegates and which has been adopted, be considered as also dealing in the saine way with the alternates of those dele- gates. eee being no objection, it will be so ordered. ‘Mr. Conger—Mr, Chairman, Mfr. Clayton will appear for the contestants. ihe Chairmun—Gentlemen will suspend until the Convention isin order. Gentlemen will be ain cooush tosuspend conversation and resume their seats. Mr. Clayton, of Arkansas—Will the Chair state the question? The Chairman—The question is on the adop- tion of s0 much of the majority report as re- lates to the Territory of Utah. Mr. Clayton—I offer the following resolution. The Chairman—The gentleman trom Arkan- Sas moves the following resolutian, ‘The Secretary read the resolution, as follows: Resolved, That tho minority report of the Commit- tee on Credentials be substituted for the majority ra- port In the Utab contest, and that the contestants bo Entitled to venta in this Convention in the place of the altting members. ‘The Chairman—The question is on the substi- tution of the report of the minority for the re- port of the majority. Mr. Powell Clayton, of Arkansas—Mr. Pres!- dent and gentlemen of the Convention: I de- sire to be heard upon this motion but a very few moments. The ense is a very simple one. ‘Mr. Conkiing—You want to como and stand down here [indicating the front of the reporters’ stuge]. Nobody can hear you. Mr. Clayton (coming to the front of the stage) —Gentiemen of the/Convention: ‘This is a very simple case, and is priefly us follows: The Ter- ritorial Committee pf Utah met to consider the question of sending delegates to this Conyen- on, and, instead of calling a Convention of the Republicans of tho Territory, they undertook themselves to send delegates here. After having taken this action, they passed 1 resolution perpetuating their power and their office. After their adjournment, the - Republicans of Utah, or at least large number of them, were dissatistied with this course, and as the Committee had them- selves refusod to call a Convention, they signed a call to the Reputiicans of the Territory to meetin delegate Convention for the purpose of sending delegates here. In accordance with this cull a Convention’ assembled, and sent the con- testants to this Convention, Now, the whole question is,—and I baye heard a grcat deal snid of lnte about getting down close to the people in these matters. Now, I ask this Convention whether a party Committee, composed of a few ‘entiemen uppointed about four years previous- ly, get closer to the people than a Convention of the people, called at a time when these questions are being agitated? That fs the whole question. I do notthink I mean to occupy more of the time of this Convention than [ have in this case. L yield the balance of my time. r. Cassidy, of Wisconsin, said: Mr. Chairman, I wish to say one word, The Chairman—On which side of the question? Mr. Cassidy—In favor of the contestants. have been acquainted with one of the contest- ants for twenty-five years, I am informed by him that: the Convention held in the Territory was called by about 400 Republicans, and I for one shall respect the wishes of the Republicans of the Territory of Utah. [Applause.] Mr. Pixley, of California, said: The members of the Committee have requested me to present the side represented by the majority; and the aa) as we understood them, are few and sim- ple. IT HAS BEEN THE CUSTOM in Territories for the Central Committee to name the delegates to the National Convention. This custom grew up because it wits almost im- popes in large ‘Cerritories sparsely settled to old conventions, and this was an unusual year the Rofky Mountains, storms ‘April, The regularly- constituted Committee of that Territory met under a regular call and_ elected two delegates to this Convention. Some few men, dissatisfied with the result of that clection, without ever asking the Central Committee to call a convention, without. ever appealing to the County Committee of Salt Lake to call a con- ¥ention, met together without any authority and elccted the two gentlemen who are contest- ing the election. Upon this case, the Commit- tee, l believe, were almost unanimous. Even my friend from Colorado, who always votes on the other side, at this time voted with the ma- jority of the Committee. And, Mr, Chairman, L ywould call upon the Chairman of the Committee to inform this Convention how the Committee upon Credentials stood upon this question. Mr. Tuthill, Mlinois—Mr, Chairman—— The Chairman—Does the gentleman from California yicld to the gentleman from Illinois? ‘Mr. Pixléy—Mr. Chairman, I simply desire to gonelude my remarks by asking the’ gentieman from. Michigan,to state, how. the Committee stood upon this question. ‘Then I will yield. A voice—We'do not care how the Committee stood. Mr. Conger—I do not think that isa proper question to ask the Chairman of theCommittee. Members of the Committee can state what thoy choose upon that subject. It is sufficient for the Chairman to report what the majority di- rected, without stating what it was, Mr. Tuthill—Mr, Chairman— The Chairman—The gentleman from Mlnois. Mr. Tuthill—I am informed, and if Tam incor- rectly informed I desire to be corrected, that this Central Committee of Utah consists of eleven members appointed four years go. ain also informed that only flve of the members of the Committee met to appoint these delegates to the NationxlConvontion. I am also informed that those five members of this Committee con- stituted only a minority of the Committee there, and then went to work and filled up the Commit- tee by the appointment of these other members of that Committee; and that the Committee so filled up, so manufactured on the spurof the moment, went to work, and without any consul- tation with the Republicans of the Territory of Utah nominuted this delegation to the National Convention. If that is not correct [desire to have it corrected. If it be correct I desire the members of this Convention to bear it in mind when they come to vote, _,Mr. Codman, of Massachusetts—Mr. Presi- dent—- ‘The Chairman—The gentleman from Mdssa- chusctts. “A delegate—I desire to inform the gentleman on the question which he bas propounded— The Chairman—Does the gentieman from Massachusetts yield? Mr, Codman—No, sir. ‘The Chalrman—The gentleman from Massa- chusetts is recognized. . Mr. Codman—I desire to say to this Conven- tion that I was compelled to dissent from the majority of the Committee. Iwill not go over the circumstances, becauso everybody here knows the fact now, that there are seated hero two gentlemon elected by the Territorial Com- mittee. Now, the statement of the Committce from California is that they have a custom in that Territory of electing delegates by the Ter- ritorial Committee because it is convenient. If thoy have, it is a yery good custom perhaps for those Territories in which they baye it, but they do not have it in the Territory of Utah. Thatis the point in this case. Why, sir, four years ago the people of Utah got together. Theré were more railroads, aud they were able to get together more conveniently than be- fore, and they had a Convention, and they chose delegates to the National Convention, but the Central Committee of the Territory this year, because it is an unusual year,—to use the Words ofthe gentleman from Arizona [laughter].—a year of unusual severity; unusual, Mr. Presi- dent, in many senses, I fear, of that word. This year they thought they would not calla Con- Yention, and they COULD ELECT DELEGATES THEMSELVES, and when they got together they proceeded to retlect themselves, and four yenrs hence, Mr. President, you will find them here with the dele- gates all ready to represent them. (Laughter. Now, sir, what are the people to do when thelr agents betray them In this way? Why they must take the thing into their own hands, and that is west of extending late into what they did in Utah. And the people rose u; and demanded a Convention; and they had t Convention, and they elected two delegates, and those two gentlemen are the con- testants to-day. And I hope this Convention will have the sagacity to ecat them. [Applnuse.) And the vory gentlemen who are here to-day 23 sitting members arc themselves members of this Central Committee. Mr. Warner, of Alabama—I would like to ask the gentleman a question for information. Will the gentleman from Massachusetts answer a question of information? Will the gentleman state to us how this call was made.—whether it was advertised, by whom made, or how made? Mr. Codman—f don’t undertake to say by whom it was called, but I will tell you, gentle- men, by whom it was not made. It was not made by the ‘Territorial Committee for obvious rea- S. Mr. Warner—\as there a public call? ¢ Mr, Codman—I understand there was. so far as callin the newspapers could be called a pub- Ais cally and what could be more public than t Mr. Blake, of Montana, and Mr. Pixley, of! California, tried to get the floor, while several others strove to accomplish a similar object. The-Chairman—The gentleman from Mussa- chusetts has yielded the tluor, which has been assigned to the gentleman from Montana. Mr. Blake—I desire to bore this Convention for-about the space of two minutes. I represent oneof the Territories of the United States. This call, under which the sitting members are ees oF Bold phele neat Be ee time, was {s- ed reg e Republican sued reaioaly y i ep Committee of no Republi - ty in Utah, There is E no Dewo- cratic in Utah. Whenever an iP election bas been held, lines were ah between the Mormons on one side and the, Gens tiles, or non-Mormons, on the other. Mr. Conkling—are these the Mormons or the Gentiles? [Lauguter.) im that the contestants in this Mr. Biake oe g case represent the Mormon element. Maughter.] Isay further that, while all ed ocrats are not Mormons, all Mormons are Dem- ocrats. (Renewed laughter.) After this meet- ing of the Committee was held. every vote was _Tepresented,—cleven members,—as soon as it ‘Was ascertained that one of these contestants was not elected, a call was issued, for ‘what pur- pose? Not for the Republicana of Utah to HOLD A CONVENTION Fae nd select delegates, but for a convention op- posed to the agtion ‘of the Committee. In other words, if this Committee had ‘elected one of these contestants, that would have been regular, that would have been fuir, and we would have badno Contest. And when this Convention of the peo- ple met, out of twenty-one counties in Utah, only six were represented. ‘The contestants are here representing, u8 thoy claim, six out of the twenty-one counties in the Territory of Utah, and that they attended 2 meoting. at which there uppears to have, been about fifty. I wish to say another word. These ‘Territories are Commonwealths of magnificent distances. In the Territory of Montana it occupies tho time of some of the delegates to a convention nearly three weeks to attend. In the Territory, of Utah the same difticulty prevails. Tho Territory of ‘Arizona and one other Territory are here repro- sented in just the same way. I understand that the State Republican Committee of Indiana elected four delegates-at-large to this Convention. claim that, if we ure to_dwell upon strict legal technicalities, the four delegates-at-large from Indiana are not entitled to theirsexts. But cer tainly they baye no better claim than the sitting meinbers from Utah. Now, before I close, I say these contestants represent the Mormons. of Utah, When they held their Convention, Mr. Bradioy Introduced the following motion: L move, ns the sense of the Convention, that the po- Ntlea! ostracism to which the non-Mormon minority of the Territory are subjected by an ecclesiastical ore ganization calling itself a political party calls for Gnited action on the part of o taxed but unrepresent- ed minority, and we recommend the non-alormon Sorers of Utab, without distinction of party, to unite And porfect a political organization that will mako it- self felt ns a standing protest, at loast, at the polls. ‘This was voted down,—9 in the aflirmative and 41 in the ne; tive: a these remarks. I yleld the floor to Mr , Pixley. ‘Mr. Pixley, of California—I have had allotted to me a moment of time by the people holding their sents on this Huor to answer the interrog:t- tory of the gentleman from Massachusetts (Mr- Codman),—a question accompanied by a sneer. There is no answer to asneor, but there is un answer to the question you asked. You asked these eentlemen if they themselves were not on the «utce Central Committee that sent them here. 4 answer they were not; but! will rurther ‘answer that the contesting delegate was himself i member of the Central Cominittee by proxy, and was voted down, and tried to circumvent the custom of the Territory by getting himself sent here in a most irregular manner. Mr. Tuthill, of Hlinois—Mr,. Chairman. Several delegates—Mr. Chairman. The Chairmin—The gentleman from Wlinois (Mr, Tuthill) bas the tloor. i z ‘Mr. Tuthiii—I have heard no answer-.to tha proposition stated by me. ‘That was, that five of this Committce of eleven assumed to act for the whole Committee. I assume, therefore, that that isa fact. If that be so, this minority had no right to fill up that Committee, and they had no right whatever, under any circumstances, to nime delegates. to this Convention. [Applause] And I would suggest to the gentican from the Territory of Montanit (Mr. Binxe) that if in the great populous Terri- tory of Utab, containing that large city at Salt Lake, thereis no Kepublican party, it_is time that this National Convention, looking forward to the duy not far distant when Utah will be a State, it is time that this “NATIONAL CONVENTION OF REPUBLICANS should inaugurate and create a Republican par- ty.in Utah. Applause) Mr. Caleb N. Taylor, of Pennsylvania, arose. {Calls for the question.) The Chairman—The gentleman from Pennsyl- vania has the floor. Mr. Taylor—I know very little about this case of Utah, but I wish to saya word or two upon the principle that [ understand rises above it in bebaif of my people in the Sixth Congressional Distriet of Pennsylvania, and almost the whole pods of the other part of Pennsylvania. For twenty years we have voted for the rights of the people of a district against the politicians of a State Government or county town. [Applause.] . ‘As a Whig I attended nearly every National Convention of the Whig purty, and never heard of a State Convention overriding the people. Applause.) Until the Republican fey, or the leaders of ft, atttempted it in Iu, it was undreamed of inPennsylvania. They attempted to select the delegates for the Congressional dis- tricts to the Chicago Conyention. The people of the then Sixth Districtof Pennsylvania imme- diately called their Convention together and se- Jected me and others delegates to that Conven- tion. We immediately wrotea letter to the Har- risburg Convention that we entertained the idea that it is possible the Convention about to as- semble at Hurrisburg may assume the extrnor- dinars and unwarranted authority of overriding the people's will in selecting in Congressional districts delegates to fhe National Convention; and entertained also the idea that it is possible forit to attempt that equally extraordinary, and, in their opinion, UNWARRANTARLE AUTHORITY, OF INSTRUCTING the peoplo’s Congressional district delegates to the Chicago Convention, and, being unwilling that the epublicnns of the Sixth Congressional District of Pennsylvania shall be left in an une~ quivocal position by reason of our silence as their reprezentatives, we wish It distinctly un- derstood by this Convention that if they should ursuo the former course and select us in the Convention; if they selected any other gentlo- men than ourselves, we will contest thelr seats to the best of our ability in that Convention; if they passed any instructions affecting us, we will spit upon th and ay no attention to them unless’ ratified by aregular convention of the people of the Sixth Congressional District. We came to Chi- cugo instructed to vote asa unit. ‘The Chuirmun—The gentleman has three min- utes tonger. : ‘Mr. Taylor—I am deaf, and can't hear. Tell me. ‘A delegate—Your time is up. Mr. Taylor—Well, then. I will say we voted for Lincoln, and against the instructions. And Again T am bere. and agnin they tried to instruct me: and again they tried to strike me off, _ {Ap- lause.] ut they can't doit. Never! Never! Eapplause.] Several delegates tried to get the floor. Mr. C. W. Bennett, of Utah, rose and was rec- ognized by the Chair. ‘Mr. Carter, of Mississippi—Mr. President—- The Chairman—For what purpose does the gentleman rise?, Mr. Carter—I desire, sir, to ask @ question. Tho Chairman—Will the gentleman from Wis- consin yield? ‘Mr. Bennett—I am not from Wisconsin; I am from Utah, and I desire to be heard, as I am one of the contesting delegates, and charges have been made against our Republicanism and our fealty to tho country and to God. We are not Mormons. We represent. the grow- ing opposition to Mormonism. There is a live Republican party, although small, in Utah, It isso much alive, gentleman of the Convention, that we refuse to abide by the dic- tates of any committee to come up here and rep- resent us. We were so alive that when this Com- mitteo appointed delegates to go to this Con- vention, by signatures to the extent of 40a conyention was called, repclaey convened and held, and delegateselected. [am one of them, and J represent that Republican party of Utah. Mr. Conkling, of New York—How many coun- ties were there represented. Mr. Beunctt—There are twenty countics in Utah, and twelve were represented. The eight counties unrepresented only poll about SLX VOTES OPPOSED TO MORMONISM. Judge Robinson, of Now York—Were the dele- gates in that Convention actually elected from the counties which they claimed to represent? Mr. Bennett—There were some who were there with proxies. How many I cannot tell, but I think that twenty-cimht out of forty-seven of the delegates were persons living in Salt Lake County, Thero wero the thirteen regular dele- gates from Salt Lake County and the balance eld proxies. Itshould also be sald that Salt Lake County polls30 per cent of all the vote op- sed to Mormonism, Democratic or Republican. Sothat Sait Lake County with any fair repre~ sentation would be entitled to hale the dele- tes, She hud thirteen in the Convention, and er people held these proxies for outside coun- ties. Judge Robinson—Were not a large number appointed to represent counties in which they Alinpy Delong! ‘All th i ir. Bennett—. ie parties holdin; roxies, residing in Salt Lake County, had actual proics fron actually elected delegates in outside coun- jes. “Time. Time.” ‘he Chairmnan—There are three minutes left of the gentleman's time. Mr. Bennett—I hope the Convention will allow me toclose, It was not a put-up Convention in any sense, but fairly elocted and fully repre- sentative of the Republicans of Utah, and I am here to represent them. It is nothing to you, save as a matter of principle, but for that reason you should give us some encourage- ment, not only as agninst the Demo- crats, but as: against Mormonism as well, and give us a chance so we may build up a fine Republican party. to_be ready when Wo come In us a State. e are live Republicans. All we want is recognition. We will not bend the neck to any Committee or any Committee- men. The Committee refused to call! a Con- vention. I myself demanded it, and it called. I demanded that tusk Conveation ve called. The Republicans had consulted together about it. J was directed by them to make the demand. Tho Chairman refused to call it, and he did not callit. £ was out of the Territory, s0 he did not refuse ‘to me, but he did not call it, He called a meeting of his Committee for the 3d of April, under a pub- lished call, which did not state that they would take up the question of electing delegates,’ for we supposed they would call a Convention. "Tho first we heard was that they bad elected dele- fates to {nie Gonveation. and refused to call a ‘orial Convention. “ = and esta) [Loud cries of “Time e Chairman—The tims wed discus- Gerd ae expired: 2 allel i ir. Carter (colored), of Mississippi—Mr. Chai: man L am Fey, glad, sir, to Rave’ apport: making a few remar! gard im portant up the quesdon, or) Teward os @ Chalr—Does man majority report? aunts Bapport, the Mr. Carter—Yes, sir. que Cosirnnan Proceed. ir. Carter—I arose more than I did to make a speech. om ielegate from the “ Southern wilds,” as. characterized b the Chairman of the Committee on Credentials, estion r is epee BARBARIAN FROM THE SOUTH simply arose to ask one - ye and cheers.) While Lam pardon to mayor ation in any form in the ‘Natlonal Convention'of lelegates from the Territories and from the Dis- trict of Columbia; but sinceit has become the | province of the Convention to allow thes Romen ty come into the Convention seq eet hapa, by their votes determine Its results, aan their votes deprive, perhaps, the representation which should be accredited to a State like Wit nols, upon the question before the Convent I only desire, Mr. Chairman, to_know, be: fore casting ‘this vote, where Utah might determing in this Convention the nomines for President of the United States. Now, sir, f desire to ask the gentleman from Utan (ir. Bennett) whether he is a resentative of vonhvof what cinss of eltizeng In Git ‘Terri- tory: whether it is the Brigham Young set or not; and then I will know how to vote. [Ap. Blause.} Siserct : Congressman Hoyk,of Tennessce—I desire ask a question. The question I propose to ak this. (Loud yells, upparently to drown: the voice of the speaker, to zet toa vote.) The Rebels used totry to keep me from speaking down South when I was talking for_the Union cause, {Loud applause and kiughter.) As Lunderstand this question, there ate two sets of delegates. one having been appointed by the Executive Committee for the ‘Territory of Utah. I further understand, in connection with the action ofthat Committeo, that was about to cease to exist, when it met and passed a resolu. tion resolving that it was not dead, but that if should have a revived political animation and continue to exist for another term without any action of the people— 10 Chairman (interrupting—The time expired for the discussion of this case. Bes Mr. Houk—I want an answer to this. [Con- fusion; cries for the ‘question.} I will not in- Frade on any rule. Sit sto By ¢ Chairman—The gentleman will com order. {Rapping loudly.] ed Mr. Houk—I was just going to conclude my question. ‘The Chairman—lIs there consent that the ens ud tloman from Tennessce should proceed? [I cries of No.” Mr. Houk (still {persisting in speaking, in spite of a storm of opposition)—My understand- ing is, that, having breathed this additional life into the Committeo, they appointed delegates in their second existence. [Great confusion.) And the people called a convention, and sent dele- gutes there, and the people bave a right to be * heard with the representution. ‘: ‘Mr. Cassoday, of Wisconsin—I ask fora vot by States. ‘The Chairman—The question is upon the sub- stitution of the minority report for the majority report. Gentlemen in favor of the minority re- port, which isin favor of the contestants, will vote aye; those opposed will vote no. Mr. Houk—Please state’ the question so we may understand it. ¢ Chuirman—The ‘question will be reported by the Clerk. Read the resolution, Mr. Clerk. ‘The Secretary—The question is on the adop- tion of the following resolution: Resolved, ‘That the minority report of the Commit- tee on Credentials be substituted for the majority report inthe Utah contest; nnd that the contestants be entitled to seats in this Convention in the piace af the sitting members. ‘The Chairman—The Clerk will call the roll. Which the Clerk proceeded to do. Senator Kellogg, of Louisinna—Mr, Cl i Iwishto have the State of Louisiana called again in order that the vote may be changed. (he Secretary—Louisiana. . senator Kellogg—Six votes “aye,” ten votes no.” : 2 The result of the vote was announced by the Secretary as follows: Total vote, 733; yeas; 426; nays, 312; not voting, 18. B] wtarromiemnrsect! mecotat i Virginia. 202322, West Virginia. Wisconsin, daria Michigan . Minnesota. Mississipo! Biissouri Nebrask Nevada. Saw Hai aw New Jersey.. ‘The Chairman—The resolution fs adopted. Tha question now recurs on the adoption of the re- port a5 amended. 5 The question having been put it was declared to be carried. ; ‘Mr. Conger—That closes the report of the! Committee on Credentials. witt ae? SUBSE: WB GES! é Wyoming. 1} ‘Totals. Bi COMMITTEE ON RULES. | * >» CONSIDERATION OF THEIR REPORT. - Mr. Boutwell, of Massachusetts—bIr. Prest- dent, this morning I presented a resolution hav- ing reference to the constitution of the nett National Convention, and the President was kind enough to say that, after tho disposition of the report of the Committee on Credentiats, I should be recognized for the purpose of asking the attention of the Convention to that resolu; tion. The original understanding was that tha Committee on Rutcs should be next heard: I think: it will .be more, appropriate for me. to offer the. substance of my resolution as an-amendment to the tenth rule as reported, or a8 it is understood it wilt be reported by the Committee on Rules. Therefore I waivo the consideration that I had from the Chair, and give notice that when the report of the Commit- tee on Rules is under consideration I will move my resolution, or the substanco of it, and the Convention can then act upon it. Mr. Sewell, of New Jersey—I rise to a point of order. Itis that the report of the Committee on Rules, havinz been laid on the table pending the anetion of the Convention on the report of the Committee on Credentials, is now the only: busi- ness before this Convention, I call for it. r: The Chairman—The Chair sustains the point of order. ‘The report of the Committee on Rules ig before the Convention. Gen. Garlield, of Ohio—Mr. Chairman, d to inquire of the gentleman representing the minority how muck time, if any, he desires for discussion? bi Gen. Sharpe, of New York—31r. Chairman, T desire to hear what motion the gentleman from Ohio will make. 1do not intend to detain the Convention, and he will be entirely satisfied with the motion that I shall make after I propose to hear what he bas decided upon. Gen. Garfleld—Then I move, Mr. President, that the report of the Committee on Rules be adopted, an upon. that subject, if any amend- ment is to be offered, I hope it will be offered so that discussion may bo had. “4 ‘The Chairman—The gentleman from Obio moves the adoption of the report. a? ‘Mr. Garfleld—First, L think, the report of the minority of the Committee should be offered. ‘The Chairman—lIt is not in the memory of the Chair’ at this moment; was the report of the minority of the Committee offered? - : Gen. Sharpe, Now York—Yea, sir, andlaidupoa the table, to be called up with the majority re port. ‘The Chairman—The Chairman will then direct the majority and minority reports both to ‘be read for the information of the Convention. ‘The Clerk read the report, which is as follows: ‘The Committee on Rules and Order of Business beg leavo to make the following report: e ‘Rule I. The Convention shail consist of anmbst of delegates from each State equal to double the number of its Senators and Representatives in Con gress, and two delegates from each Territory and \wo from'the District of Columbia. ‘Rule l, ‘The rules of tho House of Representatives shall be the rules of this Convention 40 far a8 they are sppileable and not inconsistent with the follow~ ing rulers ale Lif. When tho preylons question shall be de manded prertine detewates from 837 unt demand seconded by two oF more States, and the call sustained by a majority of Convention, the question shall then be proceeded with and disposed of according to the rules of the Howse of Itepresentatives in similar cases. Ruje 1V. Upon ail subjects before the Convention the States shall be called in alfabettenl order, asd next the Territories and District of Columbia, iulo V. The report of the Committee on Credens tials shail be disposed of before the report ote port of the Commitiee on Kesolutions shall be diss posed of ‘before’ the Convention proceeds Jit Bomination of candidates for Pres ident and Vice President Rule VI. Wheaa majority of the delegates of M7 two States aball deen than vote be. recorded, ee ‘ume shal taken by Sintes, Territol District of Columbia, the Secretary calling the rolr of fhe Btaies rand errkoriae und tig District of Colum ia In lor heretofore stated. Rule VIL. In making the nomination for President and Vice-President, In no caav shall the calling of rollbe dispensed with. When it shall sp} Es Ghatrshaltd In take! Chair shall directthe voieto be again shall be repeated until some candidute shall baye Oy ceived a majority of the votes cast; and where 80) State bas announced its vote {tshall so stand aeey the ballot is announced, unless in case of nume! Rute VIEL. tes by Stal ule VII. In the record ot, the rates BY eketat in case the votes of any State, ' triet of Columbia shail be divided, the Chairman, Announce the number of votes cast for any Contr ‘date or for or against any proposition; but, if ception fs taken by nny delegnte to the correctness such announcement by the Chairman of bis deloms Hon, the President of the Convention shall aed a roll of members of such delegation phe result Tecorded in accordance with the voves ite vidually given. Rule 1X. "No member shall speak more than 0008 ‘upon the same question, nor longer than five ine unless by leave of the Convention, except this toy, Bree PeLeR Tae’ the nae of a aadtaate 8 halle allowed ten minutes in presenting the name 0! candidate. all be ule X. A National Repubiienn Committee sha), 7° Appolnied, to consist of one member from each BYE ‘erritory, and District re; resented in this Cont om tion. ‘THe roll shall be caifed, and the delegation i encti State, Territoryund District shall namo, tore uh thelr Chairman, © person to ‘act as member 0! mmmnittee. atform, Bale Xi AU resolutions relating to the piel shale referred to the Committee on Hesoludoas "Hespeotfully submiteed. x espeatfully subm st ‘I, A. GARFIELD, Chairman. Trosas W. CHASE, SecrotssTe ‘THE MINORITY REPORT, . as read by the Clerk, was as follows: . ‘The minority trom the Committee on Rutes and O or der of Business, consisting of the delegates, Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Kenwicky. 3 ah and Coidrado, respectfully recommend the retention Of Rule No. 8 being Knlo No. § of the Convent! fara In the seme language held by this rule ln formey Hepublican Conventions, under which the all dologates have, beoa heretofore protec! w ‘as follows: s t in the record of the votes by States, the ota, Tf each State, Territory. ena the District of Colampis , shall be announced by the Chairman; and in iy SUMo. Verritore, of the, District of Cos finll be divided, the Chairman shalt annouloe