Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, February 5, 1879, Page 10

WEDNUEBDAY, " Til& CIiiCAGO appointed to that position, laving oreviously heen Assistant District Attoruey here for ten vears, 1ta further testified that hie was at that | Interview in Hangs' office, nlong Wwith Ayer, Bangs, and Heeing, but no such propasition ns Tleslug had spoken of—the Invitation to Iny down on Logau et al.—was madu «ither to him- eeilor any one then oresent, refusa to testify, but, on the contrary, was most anxious to be taken asn Government wlt- ness, aml the Goverpment counsel retused to Lnehody eallel v attention to that on hiefore 8 Master, accord- i t rever heardof it uu- aid nu; ]lme a conversation with Judge B “Hefore the Rush & Pahiman trial, and after the arrangement for inmunity was mude, yout eser talk the matter over with Judge gett an to having made this arran: * I couldn’t nay, H YER B. F. Aser was then aworn, and testified that he was alasyer nud hiad practiced forfisarly e ‘He was one of the special counsel retained by the Government to prose- cute the whizky men, sclzare of the frst four distilleries in May, 1875, An arrangement to turn State's evidence was consummated [n January, 1876, with distillers who had been indicted In October, 1875. The negotiations to *‘ squeal™ commenced o the following December. - Hesing was Indicted on the testimouy of thess men, There were three fndictments sgainst him, In ono jointly with 1 presume Judwe Blodgett knew that we had, hocaure we nned the testl- who had been Indicted be- and he niust have Lnown mony of the parties Hesing dudn'e fore the Grand Jury, I that we hnd made some arrangement. “For immunity? " “1 don't kuoiv, tweaty-two years. That was after the 1 havo no recollection of 1 him on thie subjeet.’” “ You witl not scate t On the eraae-examination witness admitted. in offect, that Hesing gave awara lot of fellows, but the Governuient counsel didn't examine into his revelations, They simoly took what ha chose to say, but didn’t nttemnt to eee what truth there was fn his statements. his offer wasn't_aceepted. after Rehini made bla state nent countel and This was the only Intervicw reference to his being a wits There wero ' seyeral interviews with Rehm, he belleved, ent at all of thew, he employed most of hat you did not do sol?* 3 was the Munn trial]* “] think it was in May.”! “fow loniz before the Munn trs mnde the artangement with Rehm * Three or four weeka ma; ment with Rehm was made by the Attoruey- tieneral and the Becretary ol the Treasury at Washington as I understood it." “Did vou talk with Judge Blodgett about thiat 1—adyisc with biin about 161" “Idon't know that 1did. or 1,7 ]\'\;lll you say to the Committeo that you did Thia Interslew was en! to the Govern- been nceeptedl 48 2 witness, ith Hesinz with for the Govern- bo. The arrange- vt eng's name interlinad after the in- dletment was returned{” "My recollection {s {ha the Grand Jury directed I fnsaited, and it was interline {, after (b was drawn, but he wasw't onrese 1 don't remem- amdl Ager heing t Campbell’s house, however, with Bangs when thiere was a consul- He (the witness) spent no time u effecting the arranzement for itelim’s ‘Ilie_arrangements were cffected nt came the opders to then oceurred tho fndlcted, do yon kuow of anv offers or propositions on his” purt to testit on behalf of the Governmen “] prefer not to Mr. Goudy—I don' Mr. Knott—Iie necd not soswer it Mr. Goudy sald the object of the testimony dtet Iering, who had testified urned an offer to turn State's cvl- dence—thial that was in part the cause of his “After hic was 2 1§ don't remember. 1 may havo Aaid some- | tatlon there anc nicht. n;h-g to him sbout it, but I have no rocollection 1 % Do you know whether or not Judge Blodeett had suy information about that matier?" “ [ bave no more {nformations I presume he knew we had nsed Rehim's testimony, and that there was some sort of underatanding, but whether he knew the partienlars L don't know,™ #\When did you use Rehm's teatimony (" h"Tlx,v;v Lrst time was on the trial of Munn, I think, t against othersi® answer that question.” 't sce why it i% not proper. Washington, from which cit: take Rehin's testimon, interview nt Compbell's house, requested to go there by Juidge Bangs, and was retained In the cascs gencrally. Mr. Boutell was asked if he had been retained of the whisky men before ho was 1e- tained by the Governinent. He stared that le hiad at fist been retained by Parker R. Mason and another man whose naine lad escaped him. They wera clicnts of Mr, 8wett’s, was retalned by Mr. Swel (his wwas somo little time beforo lie was retained by the Government,—about the time the fiest seizures were made. Mr. Knlckerbocker asked him if_he had re- celved auy maney, but the witness thought that was {mmnaterial nud deciloed to apswer. questlon was not pressed, Continulng his ex- planation, the witness aald he took hold of the cases nnd worked at them rowe 1itlo tima until he made an arrangement with the Solleitor of the Treasury, Bluford Wilson, at the same time Dexter and Ayer were retalned, tell put it, Biuford Vilson made the advances, stating that he wished to retain the witnuss be- cause of his familiarity with the manner of con- ducting Government husiness ns Assistant Iis- The witness toll Blulord Wil- son that he had already been retainsd by thetwo whisky men, were connected with others, aud that ha, t bo retained {n any way that would af~ fect them in short, that be would not consent to being retained by the Qovernment unleas the men and 8wett himselt were perfectiy willing, e accordingly submitted the matter to Swett nnd these gentlemen, who sald tlon by the Government wouldn't n anv way Why [t wouldn't the witness Swett and the tvo whisky-men and the witners was retalned by the Qouvernment. His connectlon with the whisky- wmen ceased at that polnt, though he lad the consent of the Sollcltor to act for them if he so Thelr case relnted to a particulur question regarding a certain acizure, but he had never examined Into the detalls of 1t. Mr. Houtell was asked if he took a retainer from thero two men withont knowing anything 08 to thelr guilt or innocence, that he didn’t think he was culled upon to state what he knew about dealings wwith his 2lients, He was present nhout an hour in the Muon trial, argulng & question in the place of Mr. Dexter. who was suddenly called away. He had no rec- ollection of communicating to Judge Blodgett, between the time Rehm squealed nnd Munn was tried, the terms of thie arranzement by which the squealers recetved Immunity. He dldn't, in fact, think Judge Blodrett knew anythingabout it untll the statement was mado in” Court, didn't think, either, that Judge Blodgett knew thing about it when Rehm pleaded wuilt ast ho dida't to wituess’ knowledge. ad not been in the hubit of conferring with Judge Blodgett with refercuce to these whisky was to contra te arose a8 to what Hesing had teatl. fied 1o on this point, and bis evidence was rent for, the stenograpler having to o to his room Io_the hotel for it. Mr. Goudy asked witneas if Hesing, at an Ine terview with the Governmeut counsel, wus asked If he kuew anything against C, B, Far- well, Gen. Logan, and this languago: 10 perjure my! or get clear, then you plesse. I ahal Mr. Knott salil the ob was not questioned on ¢ tion not belng called to the time und place In “T)o you presamo that he knew it then?"! “What makes you say you presume that ho 4 Because he knew wo used Relim as s wit- ness; aud March 17, the day fixed for the trial of Rehm, ho pleaded gullty to that Indictment.' thien aa to the terws on J. D, Ward, and used “i(Gentlemen, if you want mo self in order to get my frecdom ou may send me’ wherever | i Wasanything said which hie pleaded gulty?”? 4 No, sir; not thut I remember," “Did .hn]:e Blodgett know at the time of the Munn trial the particulars of the arrangemnent ection wna that 1lesing at subject,—his atten- * No, sir; not that I know of." “Will you state to the Committes thatho didn’t know what the particulars were " 1 conldo't say.what inight have been com- munlcated to him by other counsel, recallcetion of ever having communieated any- thing to lhin about it."” “Did you, 2 oue of the Government counsel, orin connection with the others, confer with Judge Blodgett about these indiciments which were pending in his Court in these whisky d u ithdrew the question, and asked “Do you know of any nroposition made by Judge Bangs, Mr. Boutelle, Mr. Dex- ter, or yourself to Mr, [lesing to furnish in- formation on behall of the Government againat trict-Attorney. Gen, Logan, J. D. Ward, or Charles B. Far- “ 1 never knew of any," said the witness. Do von know of mny Boutelie, Bangs, and yoursell and Hesing were L interview at which 4 Tow do you mean~confer!" # Confer with him s tu the arrangement you were to muke with the parties.’” s Never a1 *The arrangementa were 81l made independ- ently of the Court." “}}ynw many were indicted fron first to t “ ] conldn't tell.” “Seventy-five or morel™ “'There “was o large number—I don't re- When was that{” #1n Judge Bangs' office, & few days before 1he 15th of March, 1870.7 Hesinz say at that interview, in sub- *Gentlemen, It you want me to perjure 1o onder to get my freedom or get elesl send me whereyer you please. shall not do it*1” “ My recollectlon is that interview, and made a loug statement in our uresence of facts connected revenue frauds, that his reten- affect thelr cases, dito’t exptaln, Healng: rought the in the course of it, d that questions had been asked him in re- gard to Mr. Farweli's cooncction with the whisky frauds, and that he knew nothlng sbout 1 dow't think any question was put to Tim by any of the Governnient couneel in re- xard to the matter, but I have a very distinct recollection that It was spoken of by that he bad no knowledee of anything implica- No attempt was inade by the Government counsel to get him totestify agalnst Mr. Farwell. nor could there have been any such remark made.” Wna any attempt made by the Government counscl to et Lim to testily against any other + How many were convicted " I don't kiow, A very large number wero conticted or pleaded guilty: 1 couldn’t tell you.” Ilow nany went » * That {s more than Tknow.” “14d the number cxceed a dozen?” ;; !.' would be mere guesswork, Icouldn't Wwere you present in court ou the trial of Hisreply was ting My, Farwell, 4 Did yott hear Jacob Rehm swea= that thera had been no kmmunity of any character tuade between him and the Government 1 heard what e testifled to on that point.” ‘18 it your recdllection that ho testified to afy In substance +1 think be testifled that ho had made no ar- rangement with the Governinent couusel, or somcthing of that sort. sugeests it—that wo made no srrangement with Itehin personally; the urrangement was made through his counsel.” *Du you not remember that Mr, Rehm swore on that Munn tris] that there had been no ar- ml“fllruclly or Indirgctly, with him or "1:[1‘:‘ ho offer to testify against other per- 5 41 have tho same oblection to thatas I have that he had objected to 1s whisky business, but the inves- tigation bad been allowed, Atr. Cooper reminded Mr. Goudv that he had gone into 1t firat on the cros Hesing, and the record would show it. Mr. Knott asked the witness what bis objec- o tha other question.i’ T will state here—that | casca. 8 f: Iaving squarcd himself thus, Mr. Boutoll was aliowed to quit the witness-chair, £ Mr. Ayer corrected & previous statement. ho bad made by now declaring that the arrange- ment with Rehm was made shortly before the Hesing interview,—some time In March, examination of “] wopldn't undertake to sa; His evidence was reported.! Mr. Goudy—We ara not trylog Rehm, you not remember that Judgo Blodgett stopued Col, Ingersoll in his Im thut he should uot in- sist thut there was an arrangement for {mmu- nity between the (overnment and Rehmi <1 have no recollection of 1t1* 1y that wus oot sald?" Do yon not remember fn the Roella-Tunker casa that Col. Ingersoll ary the purpose of breakiog y what he sworo TIE CITARGES WANTED. Mr. Goudy remarked that counsel for Judge Blodgett hiad received but tive of the clarges ~which hnd beeu presented. Mr. Knott sald he had told Mr. (oudy that the Committes would furnish the chargee as fast as they were furnished to the Committee Up to date the Cormmit- tes had furnished all the charges wity which [t hod been furnished, AMr. Goudy sald he bad no doubt of that, but Col. Cooper had stated that he had further charges to present which wero not In thy Com- mittee’s posaesslon. Col. Cooper replied that ba did have severa ked that Col, Caoper Mr. Ayer answered, when an indicted party made an offer to the prosecuting ofliver to bee cowme a Btate's witness, and the overturo was rejeeted, would it be proper for counsel after- wards to divalge the factl \Was there not an abligation on the part of counsel not to Col, Cooper—Do argument und tola gel upposo it ended in a piea of cullty 1" *That {8 the way this case was euded.” “ You have been examined about o conversa- tion you had with bim, nnd sbout which Heslng ltwaelf hos testifled, and the Committes can see no objection to telllng all the conversation.” “ I have no objection to statlng the converan- tion with that single exception, sud will do so it Committee decide it 18 proj Mr, Culberson—I think you and coutd be copied. ed to the jury for ho force of the Testl- soms Of the *first bateh,’ thut there een Akl Arrangement or o aud Judge Blodgett eement for im- her, ! nsisted that ba Imd better answer question; thut the record Mr. doudy—Was any proposition made by Mr, Healing to testily in belalf of the (overn- meut sgafust other parties aceused of violathug under indictment at that thned “1 will state, in answer to that, the factst ‘This lnterview with Heslng, ns 1 have sal oue sought by himsell uud bis counsel, curred botween the 13th and the 17th of March, The trials of the judicted partics werg expectad to commence on the 17th of March,—I thlnk [ am correct in regard to the date. tirst that stood In order for trisl was the lndlet- ment aratust Heslng, Kehm, and Hoyt,—a jolut ‘That was an indictment charging thute three with conspiracy with s largo number ot distillers lo the City of Chicago to defraud a large number of overt acts were alleged in the Iudictment on the quiteatargenumber of distillers, Mr, Rehim had agreed to become State’s vvidence. had glyen out through his counsel that he pro- and the trial was fixe s 19th of Mareh. days bLelors the 17th of March, many of the distillers who bad been fudlcted for defranding the revenuo had tried to make arrangements with the Government counsel to plea und, after haviog consldered thelr cases, wo bad, fu several lnstances, azreed to accept pleas of gullty from them to two counts in the ludict- ments ponding agaiust them. cxceedingly anxious to be permitted to plead Kuilty to two counts In the Indictnicnt against was hurred on that1”: 1 have no recoliection of it." ay that e did noi “ jtow wnany Interviews dld you hava with A, more to present. Mr. Goudy furtherren was examlolug witnesses with chinrges not yet pressnted to the Commitive. Mr, Kuott said the Committes had already told Col, Coopar to save lis testhnony In cer- taln charges until those charzes cane up. Mr, Goudy sald that what Judge counsel sskod was, that the meniorlalists bs re- quired to now present whatever charges they wished to present, In order that Judee Blodgett might be advised ns to what bie had to meet fn the examinution of witnesses, and that his coun: scl mizht be ablo to wuke their preparations ac- Y. Col. Cooper suid ho understood that the form- of these charues was mmittca was appointed Ly the House ot ntatives and sent here to investicute the ofticial candnct of Judgo Blodgott. the memorfaltsts had thought it better to put thelr allegations in the shabo of charces specilieations, yet Lo did not think they should be obliged to’ formulate the remaining chargea while they were laboring from day to day In the nveatigzation, and keepiug such long bours as they bad kept thus far, Mr, Knott told Col, Cooper he necdn't discuss mmittes had no contrul over him, wil no power to require hiin to niake formal charges und specilcations n any way. Col. Cooper sald he would, in sll falrucss to oduelt, give bim due notice of what very Lo Ly taken up. M¢. Goudy suld b supoused that theso pro- atifon of Judge Blod- ¢ under thy ontire the revenue law s “1 don't remember of but ona Interview where he undertook to give us auy account of his knowledge of the whisky operations, 0 Bange’ office more than once, [ iow maay times.” *Did you have any interylews with his ate SJol Juessent® s, “Did you giye Lim to understand that, It Heslog could give the Guverument valuable In- furiuntion with refercoce to other persons being connected With the whisky couspiracy— " can nssure you we never made any over- tures whatexer to Mr, Hesfug or his counsel. On the contrary, there was a determination, so far s 1 knew, on the part of thu Government couneel, and ull of them, thut they would not cxtend any favor to Mr. Hesing, vut jusist on leadingz guilty or going to trial.” **What wan the reason vou discriminated be- tween desing and Rehm " s reason was thi the revenue, and ased to stand trial, remember, for t It uppeared from the revelations that wers made 10 us that Hesing was onu of the orlginators of the caus, Rebm; thut ho was in it from the W finully consented Lo accept Robm's testimany upon certatn conditions, upou directivn of thy Attorney-General, given to Dexter st Washing- tun, beenuse wo thought it wua absolutel ubd uecesesry to enable us to 10 the bottom, und ghow the facts fn regurd to of the Collector of In- lintrict, und the Super- of Unugers uind Btore- Mr. Hesing was cecdings, while nn fove: vett's ollichal conduct, w control of the Committee, uslng its discretion a# to linits of thnu uud the exteut of tho laves- e Wi s we to treat tho distillers if they pleaded guitty, and he sought u various ways, through bliself uid his counsel, to gel us to couseut to that, und not to exact from bim a pleaof zullty upou this indlctment for the general cooplracy. And bo came before us and made o Jume statement,—1 sbould think the interview Jasted un hour,—In which he professed to give us all the knowledgo und Information be had fo regard to the frauds and testified that ho was be of uiy sdvantige “Thie objeet of 1hie whole was to zeL us th consent to his pleading gullty to the fndictment bl 28 o duwtiller, and 1ot to exact a plea of ternal Revenue for thi visor, Of the larze numb heepers §n the seevice, al) except vue man had xnuwledge of thens frauds, und we wers sutlsiled they could not have been carried on to the extent they were without the knowledgo und connivance of sonic of the superior officers, We wished to get at the facts, und, in order to pet ol them, were oblized to aceept the testl- tony of soimg ons who koew thew, Therefore we nceupted Jteim's testimany.” Wituess sold be Mz, Knott called Mz, Goudy's attentlon tothe Comuultteo when the In- That the memorialists bu requested Lo present thelr charges, with spectil cattons {n writing, and that, upun ‘the dling of 1 specltications, u copy ven to Judge Bledgett, witha request thut he ahall tilo his suswer thereto 1 by bim deemed necessary,’ order udopted by tl; veatizution beguu: y such charge thereof shall be upon the revenue é an apswer shall be o the dovernment, ‘Ihls was about as fur, the Committe knew Elmer Washburn, who was at that thue bead of the Qovernment de- tective service, “Didu’t he bring testinon, man withour the assfatiucs of Committes and the parties, catization as far as possible. nittes was concerned, be and bls col- wera angious to zct through, sud they o justice te Judge Blodeett, the n- on should be gulten through with us On full cousuliation the Cammittes bad concluded thut the plan stated woula bring about that result the most speediiy, Not knowiog spything abous the charges befure thouuht It would be an al- Job to sct out nets here to et these charges aiud e wituesses who could testify to thens, uind they had thesefore request- ed the memorialists to set out t ) wd, in order 1 factlitate the matter, had kept seopy of them und banded he origluala 1o before you to statement, anid Jwuls Rehm (" | dan't knuw sbout his bringing forward the evidence, or what part be bad {u procuring the that we expected nd, 1 Mr, Hoyt ing) must elther Mr. Hovt waould stand trial dld stand trial, that be (1 vlead gullty of that {ndictient or go to trial Ite offered 10 testify in that way, On the 171h of March, when 1he cuse was called, Mr. Hoyt dldu't appear, sud We then consentad, rutber thun to go 1o th upog that indictment against Hesing alone, to aceept bits plea of gullty to two counts lu ooo of e other udlctments. On cross-examination, in reply to Col, Cooper, witness eald the Lt proposition for immunity for the “lirst butch® was mwle about the mid- dle of December, and the arrangewcnt was cons viuded sowe timc o January, Ihit, ** 8o far us criminal rumunity wus concerned, that was 10 be cunnlete, wus it ot “Thut was substantislly the agreement.' 44 In consideratiun of which, to do what for the Government 4" +They cawme forward and wade statements of ts withiu thele Kuowbed teatify 1o, und the wrraugvuseut atance, i they acted in good faith, and were 1d witkdraw their pleas to the alust thew for the for- feiture of thedr property (which they did), and v L the counts In the fu- that they should uot by called up for 3 “Whom did you convict vn Jacob Hehm's | Tavlly as posable, {cslng pleaded guilty, Hoyt ran away, aud 6 uthers ubscunded.’ V| coming biere, the cxpense of o trial ot jutermiuub] “Wo used [t in no trisl except Mun i pot suceeed fn obtalniy Whom did Rehm brive nto the conspiracy Y ‘sauealing ? that was uot atready under filiccment, or uzalvet whow you did uot have ln(ul’mll.lun which would euable you to pro- Mr, Goudy expressed the opinfon that If the rugramaie gow being. followed were to be mmlitee wouldn't get throuch thietr labors fn Clicago befora the 1st of April, Knots sald the Comittee would take charge of that,. It hud granted the utwost buti- tude to botu sldes, as they would testisy, fn or- der that there mirbt be no complaint, snd that the fullest fuvestlgation might be had, cause the Cownnittes bad claimed nothing 2 to the fucts and (he crcumstances. Hiad Mr. Guudy suother witnessd Alr, Goudy eald he bal, ure- *Wu should huve used Rehm's testlnony on H adu’t abscouded. stimuny hotlicated a Callector of Ju- ternal Bevenue who was Lhen dead.” Alr, Culbersun fuquired liow Col, Cooper was per replied that L was o thut the witness Lad been testifylog racy wus lustituted hero until 1he Jast man wus in juil or fu Causda. Mr. Culbersou didu't to use the testtmony I charze unuder consideration, Cul. Cooper coucluded that it dide't come Tuto the chiarge properly, but these wen were fu o court preslded over by Judze Bl ertinent to suother charve As the wituess was oo the d be wight as well bring thewm i alr. UGoudy—What cuargzy is it you are coming o Col. l,'u‘mpv.‘r—-l'll tell you what it Mr. Culberson tho better by reaerved un trutbiul, sl wol civil suits peoding ce buw he wus golng conacetion with the Mr. 8. H. Kerfoot was uext cxamined by Mr, Qoudy. He testified that he saw Mr. Ilesing while ue was conflued lo the Cuunty Jull, und beard biw say, after denouncing Judyo Blodgett very emphaticolly und profanely, he swore that he would be revenged upou him, und be even He complaived that Judge Blod- ket had sivgled bim out sud given him two Years, while the rest only bad six woutbs und three wmonths. Un_cross-¢xamination by Mr. Kulckerbocke: the witucss sald be was then Mr, Hesl ugent for the sale of bis house. o friendly terws with Mr. contioued so to the preseat time. saw biol fu the jull, Mr. Hesiue was very much excited, sud wecmed to vousider biwaelf & wuck- *When was the thie facts would when Lo cae Lo Wurwnemmt made with ome thue fu April or May, out Dow oy g Viich was the flrst of the cuses tred lvl'ulla & Pahlmay; it comwenced March 22, Was the arrangement with Rebm before or bt the testimony had the chargo was reached. L. Il. BOUTELL, Mr. L. H. Boutell, snotber of the speclal counsel wha helped the Goveruwent vut on the " whisky csses, was pul on the atand by (e de- WLl you state tothis Cumwittee that you | feuse, and alloned to tell Low be cawe to be ie tie from Junuary, 197 157¢, did you ever have avy talk with Julze BloSietr about this urrapgetent you Lad wade s oue of e Government couuscl Withs the Brat Latchi i **Noge that 1 recollect of,” Heslug, and bus wronged man, Witness symaathized with him {n bis misfortune, but did not sy a word jmply- ing condemnation ol his sentence. Join A. Stafford wax_next called and ex- amined by Mr, Goudy, e visttea Meo Tlestny fn Joud nfter s conunitment, mwl Mr. esing was vers mueh evelted, nwd rafd ft was fortu- nate fur Judize Bodrett timt e had ot o ro- volver in Wi pocket, or he would have blown his brains out asho «at on the bench—that ha nuver would:have left the court alive, He safd he would be uut one of these days, and would be even with him, On cross-esaminatinn, witness sald he did not hear Mr. Hesing say he knew something about Judgre Blodgott, and when he irot out he would get even by telllur about him. Mr, Hesing was 10 such a atate of mind s to be hardly respon slblo for his ons, Col. Cooper sald hie swas g0 much _exhausted that, with permnlasion of the Commictee, Uen. 1. N. Stiles would take his place in ex<s amining witneases, Gen. Stiles took his place at the nemorialista’ table, Mr. John M. Uallenting was 1he next wiiness examined by Mr, Goudy., Ile sald he saw Mr, Hesing In Jail the day after _his commitment, and hieard Wim dencunce Judze Blodgett in atrong nnd unmeasured tering, suging Modgett was a corrupt Judge, mxl that he hal been un- Justly sontenced, beeanse he was only technt. eally guilty, ile rald bis seotence would kill bilm, but that if he survived he hoped Lo live long cnough to got even with dudge Blodgett, o(r‘lm\'u revenge on him, or sorhething Lo that effect. On cross-cxamination by Gen, Btiles, witness sald he had known Judge Blodgett a great many years, 1ic wes oneof the individuals indieted for alleged franda upon the (overnment. [lis case had never been trled. The case was ealled, amd Judge Blodgett certitied the case to the Clre cuit Court, asstwning as the reason that he had been attornoy for witness' father for upwardsof thirty years; that witness had studied law in his oflice, nnd_that fruwm his {ntimate relntions with the family hecould not hear the case. ‘Lhic cnse was settlod without trial, and the in- dictment was nolie prossed, Col. Jueasen waa nest sworn, and, In answer 10 3r. Goudy, stated that he had ncted na nttor- ney for A, C. Hesinz, e remembored Judee Glover coming to his oflice whilo he was in con- sultation with Heslug, but did not hear him make the statement nttributed to him by Ties- fug—that Rehm bad lald down, and brought htin (Ilesing) in, *and all you (Hesing) have to do {8 to lay down on J. D. Ward and I (Glover) will insure Immunity,"—nor iesing’s answer, “] can't, and won't it 1 cowtd.” Glover gave him Information ‘occasianally as to how the chances twere prospectively for Hesing: that was, .they supposed ~ they could get some _information from Lim, and he i(llover) cane up for the purpose of fuformiug iim oud Hesing, according to the best of lis recollection, that fiesing would ave in the fo- ture to stand alone—that he couldn't stand with Rohm as he had before. On cross-examination by Col. Coopery witness stated that Lawrence & Campbell wore the at- torueys of Rebm, who had been Indleted with Hesing and Hoyt, aml they had acted tozether when the motion was mnde to quast the hudlet- ment, and the supposition was thut they would be defended together, e thought so because he aud Rehm's ottornevs had consulted and' ucted together. Hewasinformad through Gloyer that Rehm bad concluded to act fodenendentlv— {0 turn State's evidence, and geparate lis for- tune from that of Hesiug, He did not know what counection Glover bad with Lawrence & Campbell, but belleved he wus a relative of -oue of them. Glover seemed to be very friendly with Hesing, s pave him such private infor- watlon as ho thought would bo benellcial to htm. He did not hear Ward’# namo mentioned {n hisoftlce. ITe bad scen (Hover two or threo times. ‘I'ie purport of his information thut thna was that the defense together would havo to be given up, becauso Relim' had deeided to act sep- arately. JUDGE GLOVER. Judge Glover was called by Mr. Goudy, and testlficd thut the last work he did was fu the practice of the law. Tle had been District-At- torney here, serving six or seven years, ond was Mr. Ward’s predecessor. i % DId you go to the office ot Col. Juessen nnd find Mr. Hesing there, soon after it was known Lt Rebm was to bea Government witness, and say to him, ¢ Mr, Hesing, I aw looking for you'’; and he roplied, *Judge, what is it¥ and you sald, * [leslng, now there is a chance for vou.! Ho eall, ‘What fs it and you sald, ‘Jake Tehn hios Intd dowh, und ho has brought you into this thiug, Now, all you have tu do 18 to Jay downon J, O. Ward, miwl I will lrisure you complete Jmmunity,? “lle replled, ¢ Well, can't, und T woulde't 1€ L eould.” DIl any such faterview take place?” * That statenient fs not true.” « Did vou on that oceaslan, at Col. Juess office, request him to becoma State's evidet ugainat Ward?” “No, sir; nur_on any other occaslon, or agolost any othef man,—to turn State's evi- dence againat Wurd or anybody else. Perhiops T ought to state that 1 wus at the oflice ou one oceaston, mul the only rnrl of Nesing's state- ment, ns reported fu the nowapapers, that is truc, ja that § was nearly out of breath, I way out of breath."” ++Did you wake sny suggestion to Hesing ns to what you were endeavoriug to do lu his bee balf with the Governmenti ™ w1 did pot. Hesing, at a very carly perfod,— 1 am unable to give the date,—camc to mo und asked me, 08 8 fuvor, to fnterfere i his belult if 1 had an opportunity, und provent bis suffor- tng unprisonment, g M AL bis n'l}lll:ntdld you call on Judge Blod- gott after Lo had pleaded gullty 1 W1 think I did suy something to Judge Blod- gett an the subject.” “\What dld you say 1" 41 sald ttesing wos an old man, he had Jost o great dead, nnd seemed to_be sufferiug u good deal mentally, and vhat I should be sorsy to sco blin goto Jml, That was the substance of what § ul\’L! tu thie Judee. Do you want 1o know v ‘The Judge asked mo it T thought a man of Mr. esing’s Intelligence and standing hero'in the commuuity,~Wwho had been actively engaged fnall thess frauds,—if [ thought such 8 man dencrved any fuvor 8t the lands of the Court. “That snded the conversatlon “You had nothing further to say after that1'? “ No, slry 1 went purely us a matter of favor, without nuy reward or liops of reward in the slizhtest deree.” ém. Btfles took the witness and asked bim If }:u went to Judge Blodgett to got fuvurs from i im. @1 don’t know how that {s,” was the roply, Sphut | would go to i, I 1 had any favor to asl, about as quick as 1 would to anybods,™ WYou would ¢o to the Judie of o Court und a8k for favorsi’? % * Pernaps vot for myself." »Wauld you go (or” yoursell or nnfbmly else to a Judyo 6f u Court ind usk favorsi ™ “1would o towsJudge under somneclrcums stances und sugrest to him what I thotyehit—it 1 ou sulllciently Intlnate terms with bim,*" e tuore futhwate, the more you would a8 *1 was futimate with him—was an offlcer under b, 1 et mysell pretty futhoute, ‘The fuct nbout it I3 1 feltas thouzh thess prosecu- tious sbould have been carried on more with reference to revenue thun fmpriscument.” * Hud you beeu to the hablt of ssking favors ot him " 4| don't remember. T would osk a favor with the utmost contidenco thut it would be granted,” s sk favors of the Judge of a Court™ +Why not, us well as anybodyé 1 did not ask him todo me o favor Judiclally; if that iy whut you mean. S Wast dld you ro to Jnesien's office for " “Lehink L went to see Col, Jucasen—uty lme pression $3—to teh biw, us the attoroey of Heslng, thut thers was very lttle show, o my Judument, for his makmg on srrsogement to wvold wiprsonment.” . * Hud Juessen sent for youi!! **Ldon't kuow whether o hiad or not s T don't remetuber sbout 1huty T had some business up thero | think it very provable,’ wrhen you went to tell Juessen, In your opinion, his client didu't stund much show ™ **1 hiad told Mr. Heslng, a3 o matter of tavor, if an vbportunity presented ftael! where thought Teould with propricty make any sug- wessions furelation tolifs murisonment, 1 would do 50. 1 had more particular reierence 10 the conversation that [ expeeted (0 bave with the 8 tor of the Treusury.' o ulawas belore bis luiprisonnient, wasu't 161" e, Hefore ho had pleaded gallty " “Yes, e expected to be luprisoned. tlo afrahd of boinig imprisoned. at had gived you an lterest——'1 “ Notbiug tu e wide world except as a pure mutter of bumanity, o was a.very old may, [ thought,~bad always treated e ‘mdly,—nml & fuwilys and bad been burned out; L can’s give you aoy other motive.” fier you got there, what did you sayl” “Wheret” AL Juessen's oftice. 1 dun’t kouw all 1 sald.” 4Tell us some of itf" 1 whl tell you what [ remeimber.” * How did yop upen the conversation? How did you excuse yoursel! for being preseuti' S didu't taink i tecessary 10 uxcuss wyselfs FUBRUARY I wae [ 1he hablt of golne to kee Col, Juceasen, Tle was (he tnterunl Revenue Collector when | was Unlted States Attorney, and wo were {ntl- mate, and I would cheertully haye given htm any Information he might desire tn regard to any case he had fn court.” “What did you say when you reached his oftice I’ 1 don’t know il that T sakl"” *Please {oll a part,' “1 remewmber gaylng to hitn, In substance, that T didn't see any show for making an arrangement Hesine wonldn't be hinprisoned.’”” “What arrangement had been talked about before that " ¢ Nona that [ know of." rangement could be made?” 5 “ 1 mean that 1 didn't belleye, from what 1 heard from the officers, ninl fn” conversations that T had bad, that he would be abls to make any arrangement,—in other words, that 1 had :m]lsfl 1 myscll that they regarded him the Was anvthing sald about Ward?”? # Not a word.” / # Nothing you récollect 1" Y1 he asked me any ?uenn:m nbout Ward 1 may have answerod it. thing about Werd," Witness salil thero never was a man so wicked but might have favors extended to him under same circumstances, Judee Blodgott a judicial favor for llesing or anybody cla¢, but to suggest what he thought was dite under the elrcumatances, ** Whon Judee Blodgett: asked you It you thought such & man ought to recelve o favor, 1 thought what did you reply i I don't think I'tnade any reply. that was quite sigoificant,’ * Yon made no responsei" 1 don't think I did." ‘* Had you had any presious falks with Col. Juessen about an arrangeinent * 1 presume I had. T hiave no doubt I had."” * What arrangement had you had previous talk abouti” ‘1 nover tald you that I had.” “1 understood that.” Youdido’t understand it right.” "WHnL arrangement did you have fn your I had Md uhjckcf. was to make an ar- rangement. I talked with Qen. Webster, am the Solieitor of the Treasury, Mr. Wilson, and I mean to be understood as saying nee, ny arrangement to make it certain that he wouldn't mindl “I don't think you understand me, no arrangement whatever. find out whether Hesing c m)hvn[. when1 got to Jucssen's office, In mubi thiat T didn’t see any chance of hls making Lo imprisoved.” F. IT. WINSTON. Mr, F. Il Winston was next called and ex- amined by Mr, Goudy. Instead of sitting down, he stood up and leamed agalnst o columam. He sald that he had practiced law for twenty-six years, and was ot one thwo for & number of years a partner of Judge Bludgett. Ilo had known Hestug slightly after the fire, and mors intimately since 1878, He had had the mlsfor- tuno to bo appointed by the Governor of the State one of the Lincoln Park Commlssioners with Heslog fn 1874, “DId Heslng ask you to see Judgo Blodgett for him, In order to get Vocke appointed Assirnee of the Germania Iusurance Com- vanyi® “*Ile never did." “DId you over seo Judge Ulodgett on that subjeet i “1 never did.” *“DId you recelve from or by the bauda of Mr. Ifeslug the sumn of $2,5001" et C10AY *‘From whom did that money comel What was it patd fori" **I recelyed by the hands of A. C. Hesing $2,600—n note for 2,000 uud o check for $500 sizued by Jacob Rehin,” # At what time{" ‘1 don't romember the date."” “Was It before or after the day Heslug or Rehm wore arrestea” 1t was before.! At that tiimo hiad any whisky-men been ar- rested, and thelr property sefzed i ““The first batch—I hate to use the term, bo- causo It s 60 common and yulgar—had been ar- rested, and thelr establishments selzed, before that time." % * State for what purpose that $2,600 was patd, and the cireumstances.” *Iwasa member of the flrm of Lawrence, Compbell & Lawrence, and this man llmlmz‘m who bad been appolnted State Commsaioners, Winston, by the Repul oo of the had can Qovernor of the Lincoln Park access o my office, und the quently, und lic cane to me awl bored me nf that timo repeatedly—I should be within 1¢ 1 sald 500 times—about the case of Junker & Co., which wus ending in the Unites States District Court. I decllned repeatedly to have anything to do with it, but he still Kept 1 told him that | would not take any rotainer in the case, pravided any comlug to me about it. motfon should be made In it before Judaa RBludgets; that I had been formerly a partner of R, and would not appear before hlm under any We talked the matter clreumatances whatever, over, st 1 advised him, nid my friends whom I consulted agreed, that some other Judge should be brought here to try the case, bored me to death about it—consulted with me #0 often In my office—that I got slek of ft, and told Ittin I would not say anythine more about 0 asked Then he it until bo brought me somys mone: me how mueh, und [ said 82, brought me this $2,500, { considered it no more thun a falr equivaleat; I I had churged him 810 for each consuitation it would not have covered the case? C'-'l,'hm. was in bebalf of Roclle, Juuker & t was," #1)Id he admit he was personally In the whis- ky cases at thut timod" + He olid not, except this: hosald that ho had made a good deal of inoney out of these fellows from timo to time,~a targd amount of _money; that ho had nsslsted in protecting tem, nin that they had stooped paylng him becuuse they hod been nrrguleu: und be vropused to make a further raldd out of thems; that he hud deter- mined to levy s contribution of 820,000, That was before ke pald me the 84600, ¥ Boforo e was arrested, und tho public knew hc‘wu cmlln,:lch.\l with thems " sir, “‘\\|'|.nlt did _v(lmt lel'l‘h‘lyr:-. H":n{llhlgz, {:n re- gard to the vropriety of trying Roclle, Junker & Co, before Judire Illmluem"c 4] told him that the advice I would give all the thue to him nod bis cllents, or the men that he represented, was, vot Lo Lrv thy cass beforo Judge Iodeetts that he was the Jaat man on earth who could bo humbuirged by uny triflhng or technieal defense, and that ke would be with the Government and against the thieves all thu time, I told him so expressly and ropeatedly,” * \What suucestiod did you make, it any, so as to avoid a trial before him i [ made the suggzestion, ot the timo and sub- goquently, that he should " endeavor to bring wbout an exchi y und kel some mau—i sugiested & Judge In Wisconsin, Dyer or lopking—get on of them to come down hero und try the case. ‘Tho vase then was about the possession of the books of the distitiers; nnd I urged bing, it ho wanted any chance at sl for these men, to get an exchange of Judges,” * DId you inalie any sugeestion to him in re- gard to the District-Attorney 1" . [ adid, 1 distike very tucen, as a gentleman, ta mention any man's Bame who was involved in this cose, but his name has been fnvolved, und § will state whut I know about hlm. Mr, Ward, who had formerly been o member of Congress, was then District-Attorn 1o had fallew under susrlc(on; ho wus suspected of belng involyed with theso men in the whisky business, wind [t was fmpossible to make any terws, or to wnake any proposition to Mr. Ward which could Le communleuted to Washington, or which stood any chanes whatever of belog aceented by the Department, because Mr. Wanl wus uuder the ban, 1do not mean to say that hu was justly under the bans 1 know nothing at_all whout that; but shaply that he was suapeeted, wid was afterwards fudicted. Turged that by sll 1aeans #0 exchange should bo mude i the office of the District-Attornev: uud thut @ suitable, compe- tent man, who bad the contllence of the Ad- minlstration, shoufd be got herw i place of Mr, Wurd. That was mv sceond point., For these twu points L labored.” “DId you cver niake any proposition to Hes- fuz 1o lay down ou Wapd; that Judge Blodgett hated Wurd; that he was in the lobby at Spriug- fleld to carry railroad mseasures through the Lfi!hlumre: that the Judgo Lad bought Ward, and had to stay alongside of him to watch bim whey bis votes were cast i *The atatement is falie from hegiunlvg to mu(l.;ln detall, substauce, und lu the aggre- gate. “\What were tho relations between Judge Blodgett gud Mr, Ward{" “50 far us 1 koow, the relations between them were entdrely fricudly and cordal, and liad been ulways, snd the statement you make with refurence to bis baving been boughi by Judge Blodgett or any oihier mau b utterly 5, ISTC—=TWLLVS I'AGES. that would make it sure that What did you mean_by saylog that no ar- other and that there was no show for aw positive I didn't 1le didn't go to ask of 1 don't remember mow, your last answer to imply oflice of the Park I!nard,yln which I was fre- t d Ho had false #o far ax I know about i, I never heard of 1t hefore.” “ DId vou ever state to Heaing that the sum of £30,000, or sty other largo snm, must be ratred by the whisky men for the purpose of 1: llu'nn,\- way whatever with or for Juds.o eted" . 18 utterlv and dannnbly false from be- ginning to end,—uttes aml daninably false from begiuning to end,—amd I say that to the gentlemen on the uther side, and I know Mr, Stiles wiil belleve me.'? “ DI you ever sy you could make Judge Blodzett'n present ™ 4 Neyer," X “Did you cver In confersation with A. C. Hesing stato to him that you had scenyudga Blodaett golnw with his carpet-sack to the depot tor the purpose of going mml meeting his daughter, who had just returned from Europe, ol that you wero #0 sorry for him he looked so nln:l’:!:y. and tiat you could make bim a prea- on * Never, never, Nevenl I never saw him; idn't know he hiad a daughter who was in Eu- rope, and knew nothing about {t, and never heard anything of it before in my life. Now, 1 \vnn"; to say n word; you've got through with e, “Walte & minute. DId you ever by any in- timation, direetly or indirectiv, cunvn{ the. Idea to Itesing 1hat Judge Blodgett could be fnflu- cenced by monevi ! “Never In this world, or by anything elss, I want to say to this Committee, iI you will allaw me one word for myself, ns this slop har Leen , emptied “on me, teles graphed all over the country by the Assoclated Press, and published by the news. papers here, 'n Iore infamous outrage was nover perpetrated in the world, I happened to be the partner of this mun Lefore he yas put on the Bench, and 1 never have, fram that day to this, seen that man on the Bench, have never been in his Court when in eession, have never buen {n bis clinmbers, until this case came up, at anv llme since he hag been on the Bench of the Distefet Court,—ncver once. I never approached him, directly or indirectly, in any case whatever vendlng before him, cither for or against allving soul. I never appeared myscit boforo him, never biad a caso before him in svhich 1 was interested, I have nhm{l rofused to Fo before Lijm, I have been practieally disbatred” by the clevation of that man to the Bench from_prac- tice In the District Court of the Unlited Btates, and yet this bucket of IIO‘) is poured on 1o me. Now, 1 protest against it ns a damnable out- rage.’! §lr, Knott (smillng)—Yon don’t mesn to re« flect on this Conunitteet . “Not one bit, Mr. Knott. 1 reflect simply upon the witnesses who have gonz on here and stated things which are false from beginuing to end, and I reflect on counsel upon hoth sides who have nllowed this thing, hot belng relative tothe thing at all. Idon't reflect upon the Committee. The Comimittee are here asin. structed by Congress—by the House of Repre- sentatives,” TIFE CROSY-EXAMINATION, Qen, Btiles began the cross-examluation, which was substaut(ally as follows: . * fleslng gave you $2,500 —'* He did not.” #\Wait till 1 Onish my question. e gave you a check for 500 nud o note of Jake Rehm's for £2,000." . ** A check of Jako Rehm's ' #1Vell, a check of 2500 and a note for $2,000." “ Whom was It payable to 1 M ie check to you also 1" 03 to cash,” “DId Heslng, from time to time thicreafter, ever ke payments on that note of Relm's WNoM “DId Rehm pay it WYegt Al at one time I wNo» i “Different times 1" “Yes “ Do you recollect how the money was re- celved 1 “ By mo fn hand—In currency.!” By the hand of Jake Rehm (" (iencrally,—I think sltogether.!? 4 Did lHesing bring any money there at all1" 41 don't belleva he did.” Dol understand that 83,500 was pald you for services rendered by you lo the Roelle & Junker casai " “iy nut‘mned to be pald to me for that. I had done the services betore." #What court was the case pendiog Ini " # Dirtrict Court of the United States.!” #\What services had {nn rendered " #ervices In consulting with thls thiet forty times a day or more every day In Ihe weok." “ \\'hlnlxucrvlcm in the'case of Roelle, Juuker Co, 1! ¥ oré. e onee “’That's what [ mean." ¢ Walt, wait, ‘This case was pending i1 the District Court of the Northern District of I1i- noi% over which Judge Blodgett preslded i Wi told you," aNo “Vell, T will answor It azatn. T had consulted with tuis fellow—wlo was, the agent of Roelle, Junker & Co.—cvery day in the weck on an average und sometimes a great many tlmesa + ay.,’ “Then the $2,5600 were for consultation which ou had fu your oflico or elsewhere with lesing ' 3 G tdo' “A csso which you couldn’t defend In the United States Court for reasuns you have al- ready stateal” s * You sugpested that this case ought not to bo trlea beloro Judgs Bludgett, because Juige Blodgett hated Ilumburl anid - technicalities— that he was {n favor of the Government, und against the thioves, Had ruu any reason to bo- lieve any other Judge would be more favorabl disposed towsrds the thieves than Judve Blod- gettd W No. (Gien, Btiles wasn't altogether satlcfled with the answer, aud repeated the question in another fort, to which the wituess repliad that he would answer the teoncral's questions If hs dido't make them so loue. Uen. Btlles retorted that he would do ashe pleased sbous that, und Mr. Winston ot back ot him i similar style. Gen, Btiles opiood thut be could get along with Mr, Winston without sny trouble, und Mr. Winston was engnged {u talking back to that when Mr, Cnlberson expressed the oninlon that the ex- amination wasn't proceeatng In the most orderly manuer possible. 3 Mr. Winston toak the hint and replled, (o an- awer to thy pendiug '}uenlun. * 1 didu't know Dyer and Hopkina at all,—tho lutter, by the way, {a"dead now,—and I thought the clisucs was their beine cutirely away and not knowing peo- ple—they mizht be led only by the arguments wind otherwlse to declde T faver of thesa fol- lows, when © know that this man wouldn't, It aply 8 chance—that was all.’” ou couldn’t have, rendered aoy sorvices In ho trial of that casu before Judge Blodgett, in your upinion?” . * No, sir. My {dea would be that it would be very l|alml5;llu.i o me it 1 i’ “Then it follows you expected aretaluerina case you didn't try 17 “XNot at sll, 1'dldn't expeet to try {t." “That wouldi't prevent your partuers from treing the case ™ No, oud they did try it *Your flewm frequently, as a flrin, appeared before Judge Blodgett, didn’t they, und trisd cases!” o Yea, sir" “You were interested asa partner in that firm in whatevor fecs wore recelved fn payment from thess whisky weai : “No, sir."” ' 8o the services rendered by Judge Lawrence and Mr. Campbell fur Kehin were matters lu which you were not pecuolarily futerested 4 Not at all." Do you know whether the firm nome was used {u such proceedings as were had (g the Dis- trict Court agatust Rehw i 4] think it 18 likely." “You ufinn}td tuit $2,500 a8 falr compensa- tion tor the consultatfon you bad with Mr. Hese (" i - , sir.! u]);; yulu k||l|nw how l‘t c;n{n 'llécl‘x flulns paid you thut by the note of Juke Rebm and the l'hfil'k u]( J;I‘c H!:hm "l'l 3 ++1 only know fram him. e sald Roelle, Jun- Ker & Co. bhud been pretty well bled by counsel already, but that Jake was a fresh man and bad plenty of uwlu'lvl, und he had advanced this for 1he purpose of helpiog them out. [ suon found out that was false,” % \Y'uu gay you never visited Judee Blodgest " " Ye * You pever had any consultation with Judge Blodgetti" Y X **1 wean to eay, -bml\ltvl( uo. Do you une derstand what * o’ meaus{’ Upon suv subjeced” . » § nean abaolutely no." < “#Duln’t you use to speak with him 1" Oy, ceRalnly. “11d you biave conversstions with him 1" '8 lica you don't mean ABSOLUTELY no.” * Yo “He has como to my oflice oucelna whflw of course, sud [ have met bim occasfon- y. *UWell, {t did seens to be strauge that en old varther would not call ou you." “He bas called on e, vot § og blw,"” “Du vou say you bave uever lad suy talk :uumlflm about vuses sluce be weot on the it I can say nbolu e at h tlme." aly taid Hnnualigeaty g *Ican hear you," Wiaston's Yoclferailon, . 0 Stlen to gy, 4 Yau can understand me, it Hlave you been u his lm'(m‘;"l e gy Never but once in my. Iife, (4 & hagd the fitzhest reard aid respocy ot Dt £ £ 131t YU a¥0L ¢ ach oty £+ 107 Bim." i Nevir—so far as [ am roncerned, " And since i went on the Bench | secn hin but twice year as you et jo 30’ “That 18 ll—tvo or thres mer oMY < That {4 all, Mr. Winston,n = 2 Jeae * Thank you, sir," “You are very welcome, On the reeross, Mr, Winston how he the sceret lustory of tton,~discovered tflnc him _In hia statement [Tanghter, Gouly o] n!lv,rwgrdnukvl':ur:i’i 00 opary. deceireg Mr. Winston, after another rcfl:?l?gn' bta lierent yulgarity of nlluding to anyipgee ¢ f- by B0 common ‘4 namo as the & firyy bk'""'" procecded to say that that bl g teht and then he Tearned Trom Rehm ]t 2‘\“1::‘!2!'\')"":‘ mnltl;:!“m the woney, ang m;‘:‘fi oull expue " Lluh:'ex;?n!. of $2,500, pected to hielp Rebey Ll r. Goudy said there wers o tiie throate’ azaingt. Judge Segtn threo witnesses a8 10 the value of g o and, after examining them, he mnnasefi i amino Judze Blougett on this inattertopio, S tluso the evidence for the respondent et Sl P Mr, Knlckerbocker sugrestoq read on tlio previoas day be nex:ht:tke‘n{fixrh”“ Mr. Goudy saw no reason why i s taken up next in order. He woulg answer in tle morning, The Chafrman nake(hf it woutq case to examine Judge Blodgett n. Mr. Goudy rald It would not; but, after cousuitation, it was declded not to g o2 the examination, and the Committes 14| RhL il this mornibg at Lalf-past 0 rejoy o0l SPELLING REFORY, Alphabetical Changes nnd Rtules for Bpelllng, To the EQltar of The Tribune, Cmicaao, Feb. 4.—The suggestions an) rul reproduced in Tigr TRIBUNE of Feh, 4 from u" Eiducational Weekly of Nov. 2, 1977, are 1 o) main excclient. But, to afford (he fres “’ facllity and exactness, a few changes lh:m‘: would seem to be requisite, which [ w1 nr!tu point out: Shler 0 addition to long and short s, as |y m and mat, there should be double o, as n far, o ‘The lotter ¢ should not. be adopted for 1 sound of ¥, beeause It (s wanted In ch soft, sy chalr, and 1f used there only wili Tequire g w;_clnl rales. ho o sliort stiould not liave the sound ofo not, but of o In for, Lord, war, cte,, then “‘,: sound of ah would aliways be represented 173 double n, and that of aw by shost o, and 1bey do away with those complications entlrely, The v, bestdes long and short founasy s ly tune and tun, should have n double y sound, gy in the word fall, and the present charscter o should baused for that onls. In the articly copled from the Educationul Weekly there Iy py vowel to represént that sound, excent doutleq which Is there made fo_ represent two sounds., as one {u food, the other In foot. This wouly 1ead to complications, as in full and fool, woul] and waoed, pull and pool,—complications ez tirely avolided by using the w as double u, andzg that vowel only. It will be seen that 1t bas tat sound oxactly In the diphthoug ow, In our, ad In the word fow), as also In the words wiil, wa, weep, cte., the first sound In each belng that of uin full. The sound of thy ns in thin, woull be con rectly represgnted by ¢ and b, as at present; but that of th In “1he," shoull have s nex chardcter. This might be the letter halmyly crosaed near the tap, thus representing dotht and hi and it might be named the, and adopted for that much-used word, thus eaving try thirds of the laber and ruom both in wntlsg and printing It, When vot used alone {t woull represent th in then, v et The letters g, ¥y, ail y be dlspensed with entirely, ns k und w can alivays represent tte sound “of quj elther the short or long (e rectly ropresents v, when used afteracousonast, as in only, try, ete., aml the short | alwa represents the § sound when used elther beforr or alter a vowcl, as {n yard, or boy (where it has nio sound, as fu pay, it sbould be dispensel with); und x ls always properly representadty ks }or by es, 1L ¢ were adopted for k), (It may be asked, why not uso x for ks, silt would be a savioz of ono letter! Bucavsetds k amd 5 wa muat’ have, to use separatelyithet is but little used; nud 1t fa desirabletobate Just as fow characters nsvossible, uud represett all the sounds {n promaclation, so there peve need be uncertainty tn spelliug after the refora alphabet {8 onco learned.) As for the ng, sound In uoele, 1t Is voneces anry nud fnartistle, und anly partially fowses butif it were really neceasary, it should by spelied ungkuly Jetfing the letters [n thatas well s fn all “other words, perform the legitinate oftices, In our creform speliiog ¥ want no more provisos, und exceplions, s} yxecial ru'es than ‘are absolutely necesssty wl clain that not one will really bo required, As to the zh In azure, fhe short | befored represents the sound, the suume s y woulddd in our present. spelllue, ‘The distinctiona betwoen the long and sbort vowela may be casily made by a horizouts! lis across the centre of each to distingulshitss long, the short remalning as now mule; te dotible o may simply be one o with the bor zoutal line across thu sup, fnstead ot the cetrmy to distinguish 1t; aud the double & likewiit The double u we atready huve, I fully agree with, the [i7ekly that thert ahould be o vowel sound fn every; syllatle, ol henee deprecate* the recommendation of t* Spehiiog-Reforta Assaclation (o drop the sletd © and substituta no other vowel, fo nd words ss_table, marble, cte., speiling thea t-a-b-), aud m-g-r-b-l, fur In case of adding s ather sylluble, as marblelzed, there would ekt huve to ba a specal rulo for It or [t mustl spelled and pronounced murblized. 1t wol seem much better to spell those words Justs pronounced, t-a-b-u-l, utd m-a-r-b-u-l, then st would arise 1o complication in addlioas syllables, It would seem very deafrable to have a6e? character 40 represent the ofi-recurriug ¥ Sund,"—somethlng lke an a with the lid stroke temmating ina hook over the top, i crmiual d, s often writter, malifugs s wetrleal and sfgnieant character, snd) b but balf the roum of u-n-d. To sum up, two new characters, one for th sound of th i1 the, to be uamed aud used 8404 aid u sultable short and ; also each a doubies and double g, condensed fnto the room of gt letters, secus to be desirable, while the Puurfl @ Xy ¥y f1, und L may bo dispensed with. T]n uew afpbubet would be as castly Jearucd a8 14 present one, and those already aviquainied ¥ the latter could learn all the ¢ s L theoed one 1n fifteen or twenty minute: All of which 18 reapectfully -uhmu{;;«.).”. D uld IDMl’Np\,Q‘ 0w, Refory ——— A VALUABLE SUGGESTION. " 1t Is casy 1o arrest the courav of the streame among its native hills, But when it hus D2 downward {uto the valley und heen i by a hundred brooks, it fs u ditticult ad sie tmes lmpossible tusk to arreat the mad WITEE of walers, ‘Thus it 18 with disea-e. l\;!lx carliest stugos, when the patlent notes the 0 symptoms of ite presence (often indicated il by a sensc of Janguor, drowsiues, of 8 8% headache), it 18 easy to arrest its proutess S0 sccure relief. But when, throuch “"'l"“fia- or neglect, ftis atllowd 10 develop, collbin tions sro upt to set in, und it Is no easy “-'m:, arrest it Our - gramdmothers Wught ooy duughters that “astitch fn thae saves nmd A pill in thino ssves not only niue, but =Y an Incaleulablo smount of sufering o> #ell Jy the system b kept umrnun:hlr cleaused 40 strengthened, 1t i almoss invulperable 10 o case, When the flrit symptoms of -'lmaner pear, t0 of Dr. Pierce's Pursative Pelleth 85 & fow doaes of the (loiden Medical Dl‘cv"""';m cleanse the blood, will, t ulmost every ety srrest the uro;fru.‘n of diseass anl expel it s the systew, Those who baye used theu u - loudeat fn thelr pratse, Their peiutat Kenuine, depeuding upun their merits sluse e — of 3o o York Sun. ? A Russian fclan bas lately unde 10 find vut ut ratu people die v 1o and the results of his lsbors show the foll s yearly provortion of deaths out of every s4ud souls: 1ty r1abed e Eursie Helaram Great Britalu 10,5 Denwark ... 0.4 Norway and past year was & i we rank between Franwe aml Sy Londou, bowever, the arata-rate or 130 2179, u diferenco of 349 tovwud. s 162 Letween ¢ i