Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, February 4, 1879, Page 10

e 41 S i 2 i SR e S ¥ 0 THE CHICAGO TRIBUNE: TUESDAY. FEBRUARY 4, 1879— 'WELVE PAGES.) dorsing Mr, Ilibtrard was offered by Mr. Miller and placed on fle. Croas-examination was walved. Mr. Goudy raid the defense wished to et from Mr. Bradley his_prior knowledge of the fnct that Jadge Blodgett had given a'construe- tion of this Iaw to the Reristers in mnkmrlcy. and with that they would rest so far as this in- quiry with reference to the Urand Jury wascon- cerned. While walting for Mr, Bradley the next order of business might be determined unon, ‘The Chafrman—Cannot you cluse up the Inst order this afternoont Mr. Cooper—We desire 1o have Mr, Vocko Yere, but we have a number of witnesses on an- Sther enarge, and thelr examination will take anly a rhort time. Mr. Gouds—So far a8 Mr. Vocke Ig concerned, weare content that his lettergof @xplanation rhouid become o part of his teatimonys and, it It s desired to examine hiw any furtlicr, he mag be examined nt gny time, 5 Mr. Cooper—iVe hare not only Mr. Vocke, but ‘we have some other witneseess and when e vo dnto the Germanfa tnntter I want to eall Mr, Yocke first, Alr. Goudy—I ean state that we have on that matter tventy-live or thirty witnesses, nl It is A matter of wrgat importance Lo s, ih our judi- ment, that we resitme it. ‘Fhe Chatrman--liave you any witnesscs herel Mr. Knufckerbocker—Our witneeses on the othier ehargre are here. ‘The Chojtman—lint on this Germania charge? Mr. Knicherhocker—No, pir. One of our re- butting witnesses Is heres that s all. Mr, Houdy—=The witnesses that the memorial- fets have, as 1 understand g, other thnn Mr. Vocke, have all _been stbpenaed and are tlose by, nd ean be obtained 1 a few minntes if de. il We wlil consent that Mr. Vocke may be examined at any time, Mr. Couper suguested that the (fermamamat- ter e act for to-tay, but Mr, Goudy strenuously wpposed rhy delay, and _the Comniittea declded 1o pruceed with the examination of witurases on that charge as soon as the charge relating tothe perjury fudictment egninst Register Hibbard ‘sas disposed of, MR, BRADLEY. Mr. Willinm H. Bradley was then reealled and examined by Mr. Goudy, e sald that In 1875 Mr. Hibbard csme to his ofiice, and explained to him the basis upon which he made his report, and asked him what he thought of it, or nsked Lim If he did not think it the prober construc- tlon of the law. He hod not examined it par- tieularly before, aud e then looked at it sery hastlly, nnd expressed some doubt to Mr, Hib- burd as to the corrcetness of his construction. Mr. Hibbard then remarked to him thnt ho had submitted the matter to Judge Blodgett, nnd thnt the Judze had concurced with him ia his view of the constriletion of thie law, and of the questlons, or rules rather, tade by the Justices of the Bnpreme Court in 1875, He sald to Mr, Jtiubard that If that was =0, hie supposed 1t was conclusive, Witness dhl not cxamine the law envugh to have any definlte opinfon of his own, When Mir. Hilbbard suxgested that Judwe Blodeelt Liad Jooked (nto 1t with him nnd couenrred,with him, Le dismisced the matter from hfs mind, 1le did not think he ever wlluded to the subject with Mr. 1ibbard again; certalniy uot unless it was during this foquiry, 1t was very possible De mieht have lnd ome couversaifon then with him, but ne did not naw recollect. “Did you have a conversation with Mr, Hib- bard about omitting mention of Judge Bloduwett 1n bis letter to the Committee of the Bar Asso- clution tnst summer{" * Yes, air, [ retmembered thnt when he spoke of it this morning, Mr. Hibbard told me that lie was golng to send o communieation to the Bar Assoclatlon, orto the Committee, I do not %now which,or ha hod prepared o jetter. I 1hink e sold voluntarily that he had made no allusfon in it to the opinfon of Judge Blodgett upon that law. 1 replied to bim at I thought perhaps it was right under the clrcumstances, or proper, or & remark equivalent to it “Dldlyuu &ive him any reason for (41" * Wetl, 1 had a reason” in my mind; 1 do not Xknow posltively whether 1 gave It to him, I think I did. I'think I gave bim the reason,” + "What renson was that? *I am not suro that I gave him the renson but 1 had a reason in my mind nt that tine, 1 Xave no objection to atate it at all. I had hiad sume conversatton clther with Mr, Cooper or Air. Knickerbocker, or both of them, with refer- euve to the examlnation of matters in the oitico; and T understoud from one or bott of them thut Mr. iliubard quoted mo us hia authority for muaking the return the way ne did. 1 tola them that 1 never bad given such o conatruction, or such an impreeston to any onej and It oc- curred to my own mind tmmediately tint unnlhlf Me. Hibbard might naves snisunderstoudt Judgo Blodzett: und, a8 [ never had heard the Juigo allude to ft,—never had heard any al- TJuslon to it at all except from Mr. {1ibbard,—I thought perhaps It would be the wiser course to ray nothing about Ity in the absence of any Juforination except such as Mr. 1libbard com- mumeated to me. T thought possibly the Judge wleht have looked at it withous fully examin- dng it. That wos what oceurred to my mind, uml it might do nim_ injustive to state that by Biad made n thorough examination, tor I did not Juow how full an examination he bad wade, On cross-exomination by Mr, Cuol stated thut this conversation with Mr, Hibbard ‘wos with reference to the st return e made under the law, ind before he made the return, The only polut ralsed was wherher fees oremols aents of any kind or character arlstug from cases which had been referred tohlm the provious yearshould bereturned, 6 was 1o alluson 1o omitting from his report any portion of the deposits which had been pald over Lo Lim, They Bad but very Httle couversation ahout it. The only point wua whether o wos required to re- turn any fees or emoluments carned or re- ceived by Ll la cases pending ut the beglunlug of the yuar covered by bis report, * Doyou remomber of telilng Mr, Hibbard, 1t 48 better to return all your fees anyhows it makes no difference ubout " the construction,— it 1t wus better for o Government offieer not 1o construe the law |0 bis own fuvor, but to re. turn oll the fees which under any constraction ot the law he ought to return?”! “lamnot sure that 1 went quite os far os thut, 1 doubt whether I did, 1 werely 1old Mr, Hibbara distinetly when ho opened the natter to me, or arked my opinlon about it, that I thouaht It very doubtiul whether his construetion was the coreect oné, upon acursory exaniination of the 1aw." + Why did you think it doubtful i i ¢ Sluply from the Janguage,~shnply from seadine ft. 1 think Mr. Ifibbard thought the Suprenie Justices had put a construction upon he law which should contro).”? o DIl hie make a I»’cctlun to you about re- turnbue the entire fecst™ **There was tothing sald ot all about anything thut 1 remember, excent siuply os 1o fees §n cases referred to bim prior to the year.,” Mr. lradiey didn't remember Hibbard's say- fow to him, 1 dou't want to return avything anote thun I um obliged o do by Jaw "§ nor had T stated before the traud Jury vhat' Ribboed Tud sald thaty, or that he “hn\{ udded that, if Jie returned more than he was obllzed to, thire would be s lut o fellows after ils offlee, The quvstlon way asked him by one of the jurors what motive Mr, Hibbard could “hava il in Wwithliolding suything that might, upon the foce of the luw, aprear to be proper as furming o part of hisreturn, My, Bradley, on belugs aske this, stuted (0 1he Jury that ke could only kive an fupreselon us'to'what the motive might have Lecu Lad Mr. 1libbard setuslly omitted guy- thing n s return, Thev ratlior pressed Lin dor hits uninson, wid he finally sald " it wos his futerence that, us thera had been one or two stivipts to secure the appotntment of an ada- vousl Heelater I one of the new districs cated slitet the pussage ol the law, pose 1y 1L mizht have rested in Hibbard's mind 1 li if ho inade o return showing. very large etwolutients, Rmbeht ko these parties o Lite 1le more uuxious to participate nud divide with Liw, But thts wus simply un inference, Ha woulttu’t tefl how hio ot Ity but It was upon bis mind, without soything having heen defiuitely stated, He wus honest [ the Tpression of this opiufon, aud b had wade it becuuse 16 occureed 1o by juind thut this odght baye Deen th rea- wov. AL least no other rouson sugeested o)l 1o bl Hy desired to say, however, that he hud fivTr heard Hibbard mahe & ruggestion of the RN Witness, 14 responseto Tipthe juestions, sala e wuas fi Judge Blodgeit's roow ohe day, when the “Judwo tuld bun ‘\llll Dunnlug was endeavoriog to gecurs the otlice of additlonsl Reggister, ‘e Judge added thist he wus golog 10 examine the law, having eonie doubts us 10 bis own power o appolnt anuther Kegister. Subwequontly Judgo. Blode. cta wrote Lo ChiefJostive Chase ou the subject, Ar. Hivbsed bad been, within o year or two, the wuly uctlng Keglster here, dudge Clark having resigned, . Ou - thie cross-cxamination, fn reply to M, Goudy, the witness suid that Judge Blodger} #ubsequently nformed bl thut fu had heard from ChictJustice Clnse, who stated Uit by (udge Blodgett) had 5o power under the law 1u supoint Mr. Dunulog. Judge Bludgets bad Dot seemed tu object Lo havive suother Kegis ter, but wus stmaply Ju doubt as to s power 10 sbvuint one. It was true 1hat Judee Grant, J(Li‘.;hlur in unotier district, bad acted bere un selereyeen, Mr. Goudy was about toread the luw oa the subject, when Lhuirwan Kuoott futerrupted him by saying ke thouglit there was too tauch law fi the devord a1t Wua, and the Cownnfttee touglit it nnderstood what the law in this particular teg was. - Mr. Uondy #nid ho presumed so, but possibly eome of the members of Congress were not 60 well informned, Mr. Knott sald he guessed they knew the law on thia point. Mr, Goudy contented himselt with stmply ®ising the numver of the section—4.903, R 8.~ authorizing the Chiel Justice to nominate. Mr. Bradier did not recollect whether Hib- bard had aafd aoything to him_about returning depositi or nnearneid portions thereof. On the recross, Mr. Bradler stated that cases originating liere were refcrred to Hibbard, Whenerer any were referred to outefde flegis- ters, they uatislly sent to Judge Urant, who was here very ofien. r. Goudy matd that was all they wished to put in on the subject ot the Orund Jiry charge. Mr. Knott asked f that branch of the cdae was closed. Col, Cooper eafled Mr, Burnhan, the (irand. Jurs stenographer, wind egamined hiin at some fenirth fnn further endeavor to ascertan what hed become of his notes. “Tlic wituess sakl ha bad never read these notes to Judize Blodgett or to Mr, Camipbell, and hadn't, in fact, seci them slnce n week after the jary sdjourned. e left them [n_Judie Bangs* oftice, flad suught them Suturday and Sundas, mul conldn’t nd them, Mr. Campbell eald ft fas Just pussible that thesn notes were Ina box which Judee Bangs had sent over to his oflles a few weeks ago, nud which was supposed to contain the papera In the Curtom-House eases. He had not had thne to open Lhe box yet, but he would give Mr, Burn- ham an order to open it, and sce if these partics ulgr note-books were there. Mr. Burnhatn took the searchi-wareant, and went out to luok, 3 AIr. Bradley dealred to make a correction fn his previous testimony, aml stated that the eases from Du Prze County had alwags poue to Judge Urant, and thoss from Lake to Mr. Couis, those conntics helng in their dlstricts when the lnw went into etfect. THE GERMANIA, A NEW CHARGE, Col. Cooper sald he was ready to close up anothier charge, to which no answer had as yet been rend, and an answer would, In his opinion, be immatetial any way, since the fnveatizatjon coutid not be taken on stiputation as towhat the facts were. ‘The witnesscs were present, aml the charze could be closed up before adjonrn- ment. ‘Ihe (ermantn matter could be resnmed to-day nnd conslderaple progress made. He understood the Grand Jury was now closed. Mr. Knott arked what the nes matier was. Col. Cooper read the following charge: 'That the aajd lienry W, Diodeett, whilst holding the ofica of Judgo of the United 'Btates Iistrict Court for the Northern Iistrict of ilinois, has knowingly borrowed and converted to his own pers zunl! use’ moneys placed in the reglisiry of raid Court. Specification, That the said Tenry W. Dlodgett, whilst ‘bankraptey cases in eald jnaicial district were pending In eald Court, presided over by him, har, Ly tho power and infiuence of his Sudiclal office, “procared divers Asalgness of etates In #ali bankraoptcy cases Lo loan bim, the said lenry W. Hlodgott, for his cwn persunal nse, Jargo sums of money belonming to oy estater, and on de- posit in the regisiry of said District Court, Mr, (foudy said they objected to taking that up. The two witnesses fu the case resided fn the city, nnd could be present at any time, Col. Cooper sald there were otlicr witnesses who realded here and whom they could get. Mr. (toudy sald they wished to couclude the charge temporarily suspended, In order to ace columadate gentlemen from the country, Mr. Kuott snid the Committes twas of apin- fon (it the Uermania matter lad better be closed up, SIMON FIONSIEIM, Toth sides agreed to this, nud Uol, Cooper called 8imon Florshelm, the wholesala Bat and cap merchant, who testifled that lio was a creditor of the Germania Insurance Company, owning In April, 1874, betweon one-sixth and one-scventh of the entire claitns, or a little over 500,000, In response to & question whethier ho had, as a creditor, recelved anything except the three dividends, amounting to 83§ per cent, ho sald he bad received $1,100 in moucy for hfs part. Ho ®ot 82,500 from the Germon Natfonal Bank. kept 81,100 himeelf, paid 800 to James M. Wetherell,~or nearly 2800, as he remembered it,—and tho balance, about $000, to Witliam 1f, Siason, In acéordance with an ayrangemont mads between himself and a represzatative of A, C. Hesivg. This srrangement, ho presumed, was made lecause he ceased to complaln to Hestog, The complaint was that Hesing was getting oft #o chedp in the indebtedness he owed the Com- pany, some $20,000. Tlic $2,500 was pald some thine after the lust creditors’ meoting, and the arrangement made n short time bLefore he got the Asslgnee’s notico to bid un the stock. His reply to that notles was, In aubatance, that he had just made o large payment to the Asalgnee as stockbiolder, which had absorbed all his avall- ablo cash, and left him 10 yo condition to pur- chinse the paver, Ho was under the impression ihat the ‘tarrangement’ was mada beforo ha anawered the Asslzne's fovitation to bid, Mr. Kuott—Wns this arrangement made be- tween souund Heslng personally or betweea you and Hestog's representativol I thfnk botween mysell and his representa. Who was thati " #Mr, Pletach, 1 bellove." “Wasn't this arrangement that you were to have from lloslog auch o sum of mousy ss would be your proportion of the ditferenco be- tween the ;S‘M that the stock and notes sold for, and the $20,000 that they were worth1* “No: bocauss 1f I would have potten that much I'must have gotten for my share about $2,200 or 3,500, ** What wos the arrangemnent) " “The arrngement was—well, I ciatmed for my part that llealng should be made 1o pay, ol In eonstderution of that, 1 presume, 1 gul this un‘{." * DId you o to Vocke In this matter? Ao you 1 How you fixon the amount tha! were to hayve—$L1001 7 iy ‘I 1 wonld have known what he paid for the notes I think I would have {nsfsted on a little moie, bevause 1 would have eutitled to more for my shars—nhout $2,200, On crosw-examination, witness stated to Mr, Gaudy that bis claim as creditor against the hnnkml)l. was duly ullowed, He was a stock- holder to the amount of 15,000 or $18,000, wud pahl the Anslenes about $11,000. This was fure the “arrangement’ was wade, Ho hod wet Hestog after writing to Vocke that o couddu's btk anid proteeted to Heslug sgafuse his not paytug the whole amonnt of his judebt. ednest to the Germanis. flesing rald ho was not able to [mv; that he was bankrupt. No sarrangenent " was tiade at thit timo, and 1 iz told witness to bid, or that ho was at ligerty to bid, but mds no suegeation as to what ‘amount ho should b, ~ Al the witness! fuformation obout the stock came through Vouke's notice, Witnoss denied that ho was ut the International-Bunk meeting, and that ho bad heurd Hesing eny he hud inado any “ur. rungement " with Judge Blodeott In regurd to the sale of the stock, As to baving heard Hewlug say 5o at any other tlme, ho could not state.” In reply to & question as 10 how witness arrived at the amount which he, Wotherel), nmd Bission were to get, ho said that they cama’ to an undepstanding that he should rective thut wmount, witness acting as agent Jor the others as faras recoveriug tho money was cuncerued, It was his finpression that (Vether- il \l\-su bresent when the “arrangeuiont” was e, Alr. Wetherell, from tho rear of the room, said hut stalement was ineorreet. Mr, Florshehin said that, §€ that waa the case, he must laye mudo the'*arrangement hlue self. How they arrived &t fe—ilut is, the par- teulars,~he AW ot recol In considera- ton of this #1,100 witness ugreed to keep his mouth slut—he supposed that was what it would by called—und to ssy vothing further ubout Hc.ln&'» paflog sny more, or sumuthing of that kind. “ie couldn't say whether (i Lud anvinlug to do with referenve to the saly of the stock, but b felt that o hud o clabs on Hesing,—thoueht llestug was uble to pay more than he did, e didu't kuow what Heslig satd to Vocke, or whether hio suld wy ythilng (o Vocke ahout Vocke's asking hlm to bid for the stock. e wus s fuct that b was wos o condition (o bid for the stock, amd the 31,100 had _ nothing to do with that. Mo didu’t know whether dudze Jllidgcu. Lad anything to v with the watter or uo Col. Cooper—Your hest recollection 1s, that, after recelving Vouke's letter, and - before you returncd yours of the 15tl, you made 1bis ar- rangement with Pletsch; and that, after you tuady the arrangentent, you wouldn't bid ~on this nyln;w.—unu i, thut Heslug would make you guod. * 1 presume not,” was the uot very sotlafac- lur{ avswer, - AMr. Knott—At the time the arrsugement be- tween you und Pletacl was catered Into, did you understand thut thiere was u olan on foot by whitch Healng's atock was to be 60ld at teas thun its real value by biddiug it in tor bis Leoct] 0 vies 1 didu's know of uuy such urrange- g wment, Do yuu know why it was you recciyed $1,100 more than your rhare of the dnrmen-‘hv" ¥ Ay ucatus 1 understaudd that, Mr. Hueatug told me he was not able to pay, couldn't pay, and wouldn'’t pay, and that he expected to wet this indebtedness oft his shoulders for a ool deal Jesa than the amount."” “*And {F you touldn't complain at anvare rangeinent he might make, then you were to bave this 81,100 éxtral” ¢ * That's what's the matter.?? llmuz!ucr.L ‘DI he tell sou what arrangement he had made by which fie expected reliel from this lu- debtedneas for leas than what sou thonght he ought to payt:! ** Ha told me that he egnected to get off tor fess. 1 hind talked to Watherell and Steson revions to that time,—when I first heard that leaine expected to pet off for Teas than the anount of his indebtednesy,—beeause they were Iatge policy-linlders, and 1 wanted to sec them for s awi prate: tion 1" Witness further testifled that it might have Deen statedd to him (hat Judee Blodgett had been consulted or knew of Jlesing's plan to get off for loss than his indebteduess, hut he dida't recollect .t Lo was asked of this 31,160 tras in consfderntfon of his voting agafust the motfon to actnsido the sale, and replled that he dldn't think anything of that Kind was spoken of at that tinie, and he didn't know that there was to be nny such motlon made. lle thouglit. hiowever, that .tdolph Motes did moke such 4 motlon, His own oplnfon at the time was that lfesinr was pood for his llabllity; knew Hesingr lived tretty well, and he thoueht enough coulil have been collected on a Jude- ment by stipulation and on executlon to satisty the {ndebiedn M, W J. M. Wetherell, who §8 In the Yoas business, was next sworts, and questioned by Col, Coop- er. He teatifled that he was & ereditor of the Oermanfa Insurance Compang, and recelvead nioney from Flarsheim, fn additlon to the regu- 1ar diviends on his claim, but whether ¢ came from Ileaing or nothe couldn’t say. He got the aoney about the 20th of April, 1874, 1lis claim amounted to between £140,000 and 8150, 0. “In accordance with what arrangement, agreement, or understanding did you receive the money which Florsheim pald youi ! ‘“In consideration of not intcrfering with the sale of a certaln assel belongiug to the Ger- munia." ** What was that asset1" A, C. Hesiog's notes for $15,000, secured by 170 shares of Staats-Zeitung stock."” *When did you make the arrangementi" 1 think it was between the 10th and 20th; [ couldn't state exactly. )t was made at my office.” “Dia Florshelm undertake to pay you the money?"! ** He promised to nay It; otherwise I should not bave kept silent. 1 had his word that I shoulil receive about $700; not over; It was less. The smount was arrived at by ealculating that I would recelys one-half of 1 per cent if Hesing pald ls indebtedness in ful). The arrangement was made about a week before t ®ot the money, I recelved Florshelm's chieck,!? “Were vount the creditors’ meeting held Aprll 25 “1wasat the last meeting, but don't recol- lect the date. I remember an Inqulry. belng made about this asset, bue not n motion to direct the Assignee to proceed to have the sale sct nalde. The Assignes made on explunation sbout it. Te nala he had an order from the Court to dispose of the stock, and read the bids and confiripation of the safe. Ido not recolfect that there was ‘s good deal of dissatisfaction espresyed,’ but 1 remember one creditor suld he was authorizod to pmy n larger mun thau the stock had been soldl for, or sometbing of that kind, I saw Mr. Vocke, but not with reference to the ar- rungement, 1 went to his oftice after Florshelm notifled me,—that wos the first { knew timt the aaset was to be disposed of In that way. Ile (Florslicim) told me thut 1t was liable to bo 2old low, and we had to (o somethiog to pro- tect our fnterests.”” *Why didu't you go to Judge Blodgett to hava your interests protected " 4 Well, 1 can't say why I didn't,” ( }f’u thero any reason why you didn't go to m 1 thought [ could protect my Interest In the way 1d1d. T supposa that is why I didn't o to Lim. I notlfled Mr. Vocke that [ shouid make n respectabla bid, and not to close the sale untll 1 had my bl i, 1 could not tell what duy that w Thad not recefved a clrcular from Mr, Vocke ot that thoe, but got wne, 1 thiuk, gruvlnnu to the waking ol thearrangenent with ‘lorahiclm, 1 can't remember exactly whether Iwrote my letter in replv before or after the arrangement, but am quite sure it wasafter,” * Was it in canaideration of the arrangement. you had made with Florsheim that you wrote the letter aml made the bld 1" “Yes, one of the considerations of the are rangement was that my bid should uot exceed £5,000," 4 Did you tell Mr. Vocke of the amount you would give for stock when you gave htin notiee of the respectable bid i T don't think Itold him the exact amount 1,""'!‘.“ bid, because | hadu't it settied ag that thae, “ Did you indlcate any amount 1" 1 dou't remember tiat § dla. Mr. Culoerion—Did Vocke kuow that you hiad some agreement or uaderstanding with Ileslng or Husing's representative by which you wers to recelve tuls additional sum i 11 wouldn't want to awear that he did.” + " You wouldn't want to sxear to iti" 4 No, sir” # Hayg yantany knowledge on that subfoct, whether he did or not1" “T don't know it he knew of the arrange- ment between Florsheln and myselt, Ihad no conlerericd Wwith aav person of persons on the subject hut Mr. Flosrhelm, 1 attended none of heas meetin) ¥ You made a bid of $4,56001" * Yes," ** Did vou constder that a reapectable bid for the provertyt" i "”1 Jid not consider 1t & very high bld; o, sir. * The reason why was this Intervening agree- with ilealng's representativo (! lint was {t."" **DId Vocko ever come to you to inquire why you had chaneed your mind 0n the subject # I dfd not.” ** Dd you meet him afterwards?” 4 Beveral times.". Mr. Kuott—Dtd Florshelin tell you anything about the arruugement between himself wid Ilesing, or by representative, rogarding the 25,000 *lie old not tell ma the particulars of any arrangement, 110 sald ha was in s fair way to get what wo would naturally get if wo didn't tn- terfore with the sale, I don't think he intimat- ed that the stock was to bu sold for not more than §5,000, or that he told ine he hud been con- sultini und arrangiug about the matter,” On cross-examination by Mr. Gioudy, witness stated that he had bad no interview with Hesing regarding the transaction, never havlng spoken to bl o hls Nle, Vacke il not cudeavor to et him ty bid when ho saw him at bis (Vocku's) office, 1le hnd very Hitle conversation with him, He would have bid at Teast 815,000 for the stock $£ hia hiad been compelled to o It. As vestment, independent!y of the face thathe was a ereditor of the ermanta, he conld not say what he would hava pald for it, as ho didn’t mike ab investigation. 1o onby kuew of the value of the stock frow what Pistech told lum, Witness called oo Pletseh, who stated the divldends the stoc bud pald from time to time, Florahelm dfd not proposc to maks apolication to the Court, und ask witncss to join him fu it Pletsch told hilag that the July disidend was to be suspended, nnd the money applied to paylug the morgagy imlebtedness.” Witneas thought Pletseh told hlw the amount of thie tebts, but bo couldn’e recolleet what it was, 1le was not told of auy arrangenient to which Judye Blodgett was u purty. le didn's think ho Would have bought tho “stock as an luvestment, fle couldu't say what its markec value wus at the time, but ho thought, with the Knowledee he ‘'had, Lo woul lisve pald 85000 for it on -re.-ulnunn. lo dida't g0 and tell Judiro Blodgett what no had learoed bcause he thouht the shortest and quizkest way for i to get what was comlog Lo i wus the way he adopted. o was looking out for No. 1" He had been blamed at the mectings for wantlug dividends defereed by creditors who dida’s understaud the matter, and who thoaght lie tade objvctfons for the purpose of buylng up the clabing; 60 he made up his mind that he would look after ils own tuteresty. Hu was not ptesent at the meeting ta the Interastional a1k, and bad never heard of {1 uotll he read nbout it in Mr. Hesing's evidence, Tt §» not true, thew, that you heard Mr, Hes- fug make tiat stateent ™ Mr. Cooper—Walt a moment! Iave you [Goudy] Mr. Htesion's correct statement! What sy have been given 1n the newspapers o onothiur thi Mr. Quudv—We hisve not followed logal rules {n this Investieation so far. Mr. Cooper—You'll uot get st the truth un- less you koow that your grouud {s correct, Mr. Goudy (to the witness)—You never heard, t place, Mr. Hesioz state thut Do bad sn wement by which e was ¢) be relleved of 1ull oblikations tu the Gerwania lusursuce Comoany 1 uever @i Lu septy to Mr. Cooper as to why be exp Tfeatng was going to pay his Indebtedness to the estate, witness sald L was a part of his (wit- nexs’) business to keep track of e assets of the different companies that he held claims againat, and he ealenlgted—and he supposed the other Iarga creditors dld aleg—on getting aollar for dollar trom that partienlar nsset, though hie knew nothing whatever about liesing's personal afairs, Col. Cooner #ald he desirell to examine Mr. Washington Ilesing and Messrs, Bussc, Moses, and Vocke, on the Germanla eharge, und it was agreed that they could be called at any time. GEN. LEAKYE, Witneases for the defense were then ealled. The first wituess put upon the stand was Gen. Joxeph B. Leake, who atated In answer ta Mr. Goudy that In 1874 he acted as Mr. Nesing's attorney, and was present on the 17th of Aprily 1874, before fadge Blodgett, when an order was entered direeting Mr. Vocke, ns Assirnec of the Qermania Insuranco Company, to solicls bids for thesalo of lestne's Staats-Zeitnny stock. e prepared thnt order himeelf. Thers had been some talk in the offiee nbont the manner fn which that safo would be ordercd fo be made, and Mr, Hesing came In and sald he was In- formed, or knew In some way, that Judge Blod- gett would on that day make an order- with re- Iatfon to the disposition of that stock, and arked him to draw the order. He never saw the Assignec's reporttabont Mr. Iesing's efrenms stances, Mr. Vocke talked with him several times on thnt subject, and he pave Wim such in- formation as ho had, 1ledrew up an affidavit for Mr. Hlesing to slzn, sctting forth his flnan- clal condition, which he understood was to be used in connectlon with this matter In some way, nnd was probably to be shownto Judze Blodzett. At the tlme the order was entered, the witness, Mr, Vocke, Mr, Hesing, Mr, Hibbard, nnd two other gentlemen were prosent in Judge Blodyett'schumber. Tt wasin tiic afternoon, nbout 8 o'clock. The Judge was writing as they went in, nud presently he turned his ehalr round from his desk, and, tooking at. Mr, Vocke, sald, * Well, gentlemen?" or some Indefinite expression of that kiad to open the business. Presently Lo nsked Mr, Vocke what polley hie had to recommend, and Mr, Vockae re- plicd that he hod no policy whatever except to enter up judgment against Mr. Ilesing. Then the conversation went on by the Judge asking it he expected to realize anything from the udgment, Mr, Voclke rald eubstantially that he_knew nnthlufi of where be could levy tho Judgment or collect it. ‘Vlicre was then some cdnveraation about the uselessness of procedd- foz to n judgment; and the Judge at last raid that, as he understood, Mr, Tesing’s cond|- tlon, there was no possibility of fts belng col- lected In any way, awi that the best way of dia- vosing of that stock for the advantageof the creditors of the Geitnania was to disposc of It by sollciting blda from such persons ns nsually deait {n that eort of wpurt{. Witness then sudd, Y Tudee, i1 T understand you correctly, I thiok I bave cmbodicd about what sou_mean fn this omder,’! and handed ft mnw.)udfi;.wnn Bald, “Fhat fs about what 1 mean,” The first to sugzest disposing of the stock fo this way wos Judge Blodgett, After the Judge had coneind- ed to order the draft to be entered, It was taken ta the Clerk’s offiee and left with the young nian who had charge of the bankeuptey matters. e dld not know whethier lie or Mr. “Vorka took It there, lesing at that time was absolately In- rolvent, depcnding, however, very nuch on what might be realized frum the assets of the Gurden CiL) Manufacturioe & Suoply Company, which at that tinke had been about three or four montha Imbankruptey. Newotia- tions were pending between him and his eredit- urs, Mr. fesing had been the prineinal stock- holder in the Garden City Manyfacturing & BSupply Company, which was a corooration that had a largo planing-mill on Twenty-second wul Morgan atreet, and was lable a8 fnaorser on ts paper to the extent of about 8§190,000, which was secured to him by o third mortzage on block 25. ‘The Company was put into bankrupt- ey o the $5th of Deeémber, 1878 'Ihero was nothing to reimburro Mr. Hesing for his loss in flhiut Company except the zeneral dividends to Lo made by the Assignee, and that block of ground. \Witneas was before Judge Blodgets with refercnce to the affairs of tliat Company aned Mr, Hestng's gencral finonctal condition probably every day or two from the 1ith of December il about the time this order was made, and the main object of preventing Mr. Vocke from enterlng up Judgment ugninst Mr. Hesing was beeanso It would foteriere with an arrantrentent which was belng made with the creditors of the (larden City” Mannfacturing & Supply Comonny on Sr, Heaine's bebulf, and beeanss (¢ would affect Mr. Hesing's credit gencrally, ilis_condition at that tline was known to all the ercditors that were interested in hia affalrs, ond was fully {n- vestizated fn the Hankruntey Court und kiown to Judee lilodgett, Witness nerer underatond that the abject of this order of the Tth of April was to enanle Mr, lleaing to buy the stock at fess than fts vai t Wiy attar of com- parative mdifference to Mr. Heslog whether the stock waa sold that way or at public sale. In elther case, ho expeetod gome friend of his to come forward and bid in such a way that {f he ever ot able Die would bo permitted to buy it back. Witnoss did not Know at that time what the condition of the Staats- Zeitung Company waa, or What was the value of 1z stock. He had no recollection of being pres- cat when the order uial was entered in regard to the salo of the stock, nor at any Interview about this business of tho (lermania lnsurance Company, thoueh ho might bave tatked with dudze Blodgett ubont it ot somo time or other, At the thme the onler was enterel, kome fug. geation might have made that fts effect nonld e to throw Mr. Ifestog Into bankruptey at onee. 1t was e sulid that it would be ab- sotutely dixastrous to nll Tio ever hoyed to do, without doing any good to the ereditors of the (ievmanin, He never saw Mr. Heslne's notes, ad did not know A0 they had n power of attor- ney attached to them. Tl beeanio M, Yocke's partuor on the lust of Mareh, 1 Mr., Vocke wus Asatgnea long before that, nnd evergthing was closed up exeent the lt:l)ll“i’ to_colleet under this judgment, which was then depend- inE on the sutz at Washington, tle had o in- terest whatever in that business, Ou eross-cxamination by Mr, Cooper, witness ratd he wns never consulted at ol e reference to the matter of Mr, Hesing's indebtedness to the Asslzmee of the Uermania lnsurance Com- pany. Same th © durdng the carly vendency of the bankruntey proveedings of the Garden City Company, le learned incidentally from Mr, Hestne that the cases of (he (Germania had been declded araliat the anpellants, nd that e was liable to have an fncressed fidebtedness, 1o underatood that Mr. Heslnw, nlong with others, had entered Into a stipulutfon that i the de- ciston of (e Hupreme Court of tho Unlted Bates should allirm sthe decree of {he Conrt be- low, Judement should be entered fustanter. Tte kiiew Mr. Heatig was n great distress shout it, nnd was having some fricnda see Judie Blodizett about it, ur make some mation. * They tatked a good deal ahout it, but not as connsel wnd client; L waa ot his bushicas anyway, ex- cent when Mre. Hesing usked bim to draw this order, which ha did. Belog shown the original onder, witneas sald ho thuuzht every word of It was fu bis own handwriting, ‘There wero two erasures, whieh did not aifect the sense, [t wi it lert his hawd, Jle preparcd it eitl ne tay that it wns entered, or ihe before, at s ofllee, at the request of Mr, Hesliz, who sald ho Lad been fnformed that Judee Blodgett had thoushit it brst to sell in the manver therelu de- seribed, und asked bini to prepare un order to be submitted to the Judge, lle did not conter Vaocke nbout it at all, nor ubout the of the Uenmania Company in_any wav, exvept fn refation to Mr, Tlestug's affalrs, 1o 4id ot remember whether M. [lexing went with hun to Judge Blodgett's chambers, Mr, 1Nbbare wus therog bo hud an fmpression thut Mr. Vocke Invited him, dudge Bludeett was sitting with his desk open, und looked ot eacty of thein a moincut, as though he expected ona of them to say somethlng, ‘Ihe tirst dlstinet yecoliection ho bad of what was sald was Judye Blodgett's question to Mr. Vocke as to what woliey he had to sécommend, Jle did not kuow that The Judge knew what he had come in there for, Me, Heslig might have spoken to the Judge before he put the quustion to Mr, Vocke, but_witness did not recoliect distioetly, Mr, Yocko sald ho bad no palicy 1y and thew the Judpe sald that tiie Court vxpected the Assgneo to recommend n such or else witat was the use of appotiting un Assigneo, un- lesw ho had @ policy tw recommend ‘Fiereuvon Mr, Vocke sald {n substance that the only thing he i to recomuiend Was Lo euter up fudge went, Wiioess knew Mr. Hesing's affalrs pretty well, and way aware that bis fricnds haa preseoted hihin with a cartlogo and two hordes, und that ho bud 8 0od Louse and furulture; but he did not believe uo exceution put into the hauds of the Marshal at thut thne couid have collected a dol- lar, ur ut suy time since. flo had u chatsel mort- K8%0 0u his property for about H0,000, sud 1t was s0ld by the Sueril sumo thue afterwards. The voufercuce with Judge Blodwett lasted sbout twenty minutes or half an hour. After r. Vacke sald Lis polley wus to coter up Jude- nent the vonversation becamo ruther general as whelhier 1t was Worth while Lo du so. The Judgs suld that from ol L kuow sbout the offalrs of Ar. Jiestnz hie coutd not see auy use fu cutering up the judwment, Lawouits would prubably grow out of it, snd atturneys’ fees would have 10 Lo pald, wind the estate would be wasted b xpenees af that kind; wnd it w that the ereditors of that Company would fare better by closing it by the sale of the stack in somo way. What was sald by Judze Dlodgett was ciiticr conslatent with the fdea that " tlio matter had been arranged between bhin aud Mr. Hesing befora that time, or fucousistent with It, according to one's frame of mind. Ho took the order aml read 1 and sald it wns about as he had erpresscd himself, and wrote on the bottom of it. The conferenee then broke un, and they all went ont, anid the duilee wont qn withi his business, \Wit! ness went Into the Clerk's office; either he or Mr. Vacke carried the order there. 1l did not ree it entered: he acver saw the minate-book in Iis life. The order was nut into the hands of the Clerk, nnd witness anw it fn his hands, Ile conld not eay who put it {nto the Clerk's handss prob- ably hie did hitnsclf, That was the lnst he hod to do with this matter. Judze Diodrett's directlon at the timo was that the stock should be offered freely und pnb- liely to persons who were deallng In ‘that class of securit(es In Chicnro. ".\]Irh('}ulbcrsun—\\'lmt do you mean by ‘*pub- ely (fen, Leake—Well, penerally; to disseminate the Information that it was for salo, by clreular or otherwiee. Un_further cross-examination, witness sald that Judge Blodgett did not say fhnt Mr. Vocke was to confinc his clreular letter to twelve peo- te in Uhlcago, nor did he say how many people t wasto be circulated amongst, Thete were rome nanes mentioned. Provably Juwige Nodgett nanied some, as persous of o class who were dealing In sush securitics, Witness did no Lusincss for Mr. Hesing before be beeamo Mr, Vocke's partner. On re-direct exnmination by Mr. Goudy, the witness sald he jearned shortly after the sale fhat Judze Blogett had made inquirtes of Mr, Coolbauich about the value of the stork befors the sale or before the confirmation, Mr, Cool- baugli told him so. He kept hia acconnt at the Untou National Bank, and Mr. Coolhangh was talking to hiin ahout what the stock wonkl be worth, _ Mr., Coolbaugh safd he thought It any- hody offered cents on the dollar for tlmt stock It would be & very Jarge bid. There was no talk about selling anything else exceot the stock and nates together, Alr. Coolbauech was avery large creditor of My, Hesior, and had quite a larre l\u:mlll.v of Lhat stuck na collatorat to Mr. Hesine's fndchtedness, In anawer to the Chnirman, Gen, Leake eald he heliesed Judge Bladeett was familiar with the fact that Mr. Heslng was fosolvent, Mr. Hesing never consulted hiin_ about the Ger- man{a matter, but it was affuded to as an addi- tlonal trouble. The order was written eltheron the day it was entered or the day before, Mr, Hesing did not tell bim how he got his Informa- tlon that Judze Blodgett was roing to enter such an order. Il did not know what becaine ot the aflidavit which he drew up for Mr. Hesing to show to Judre Blodgcett and others, showing hisinsoivency, and thd uaclessncas of entoring Judement. “What was the useof showing It to Judze Blodgett, who wus already perfectly familiar with the factl® +1 tlo not know."” “Who were the othiers to whom it was to bo shown{” 1 have n'faint recollection it was for some purpuse he wunted to showit to Mr., Coolbaugh, und nlsa to Mr, Vocke.'" Witness furilicr stated that ho Qid not know what {nfluence Mr. Vocke tsed to_ secure his appolutment ns Asslgned; that was done befors be knew him, and before they were th partner- ship. Ile did not know thit he secured that appolntment through the influence of Mr. Hes- Ing, except us ha bad been told by others, Gen. Ucnr{:m « Bmith was his {nformont; and he said Mr, Heslng did not know anything ahoat the appointment, Mr. Vocke never told him that he wus Indebted to Mr, Hesing for his appolutment, except as he was to a number of uther friends, who recommended his confirmatlon, Ar. Culberson asked tho witness (€ he had any knowledwa derived from Yocke thnt he {Yocke) was indebted to Hesing for his appoint- ment, Witness sald his impression was that Vocke had told him Hesing had recommend- ed his confirmation sfter the creditors bad elected him. o thought it vwns clther Yocko or himself who transferred that order of Judgo Blodgett's to the Clerk's office. He never saw the minute-book, however, {n his life, nud never knew the ordor was eutered in It unttl these proceedinga eame u‘). e had no information from Hesfuz, who had buen his cll- eut, that wotlld go to show that Heslng had any knu\}lr:d,'.'e of tho manner the order was cii- tured, In response to Col. Cooper, Gen, Leake aahl he beifeved o had noticed thut the onler did not appear in the Law Hulietin, but he didn’t say unything about it. u response to Mr. Goudy, ha satd ho seldom followel up the records to ‘see whether orders were properly entered or not, trusung to the clerks for that. - As fur as he kuew, thers wna no suppression, or attempt to suppress, in this case. Mr, (loudv announced that Mr. Burnham had returned with the note-books for which he bad been Jooking. J. Ve FARWELL, John V. Farwell was called Ly the defense, and testificd thint he was a Director {n the Unlon Natlonal Bank in 1874 and now, and that Judge Tilodzett, verhavs in April, 1874, had met him o the traln and ssked bim as to the valun of Staats-Zeituny stock. e thought something ‘was said about Hesing’s pancr, but wasn't sure that anything was sald about Iesing’s respon- sibility. o told the Judie that Mr., Coolbaugh was futimate with IHeslng, and referred him to hat gentleman for the fuformation he wanted, Nr, Farwell knew that the bank then held some of this stock, Suvon sfter Mr. Coolbaugh's death the Dircctors Investirated all the alaw Immrnnnml. Qut of this erew negotiations or tho salo of the stock, Iesing offering 26 cents on {he dollur for t, payable in three years' time, with the Indorsement of the Staats-Zeitung Company, ‘The ofter Included the Indebteduess and 1hio collaterals securing it, but whether Hestuz made it for bimsell or the Company lio did nut know. Ho hud been in- formed by the Cashier that no dividends had been pald on this stock hield by the bank, Inreply to Mr. Knlckervocker, Mr, Farwell a2l he dld not know the scrics, or the laaue, to which this stock belonged. Tt amounted to £40,000, wut the indebtedness to Letween £25,000° and $30,000, - According to his arith- metle, however, §f the second issac was worth par, 170 shares would revreacnt $17.000. As o the time When ho saw Judge Blodigett on the train,—~whother it wus boforo or after the sale, =y eould not tell, In reply to Me. Culberson, witnens stated that Judgo Blodgeets, un helng referred o Mr, Cool- vatieh, did ot telt him (the witness) that ho had aiready hiel a conversation with Mr. Cool- baugh on the subject, D K. TENNEY, D, K. Tenncy was the last wituess of the day. o hiad Itverd in Chlcaro for nine years, and had practiced Isw a littlo over thirty years. Ile **suppused 1" ho was In Judee Dlodirett’s chatn- ber at the time Vocke mwade his report, it was durlng the “morning hour,” and Judge Blodeett was hearing motlons. 1la recol- lected the Assignee, as he supposed,” making & report of the cfforts ho had mude to sell the Heslng notes and stock, mentlonug the elreulars sent amd the respon: and o recols lected that Judis Blodgest mude fuquirles in relatlon to the answors, and the efforts mado to ot bids, Witnoss dln't pay particular atten- tlon, 1o was attracted by the names Hesing und Staate-Zeituny, und the amusing way In which Judge Blodgett put tho questions,—what that kind of stock was worth,~what kind of bid could bo hud for stock of g Gerinan news- paper,—s peculiar kind of property, ete. He shnply bad & general recollection of the scene, and would bave forgotien all about i) i he Dhadn't meen b referred to In the wewspapers sfterwords, ‘Thero was, he thoukht, u statement of the bid lle didn’t thiuk oany paper was read, though thers was one In somebody’s hanid, but he dida’t recollect that It was passed back and forth, Ho thousht he remembered the Judge holding o vuver in L3 hamd, seated back from his desk, und asking questions, tle recolleeted hiy g2y~ Ing in an umustug way somethlug like, S J( that §s the best that can be done, you had botter ace copt . Tlu hiad had experieieo I tankruptey matters, aud of sales of claling betonging to baukrupt cstates, Iliro notice of sata at public suction to the hizhest bidder was not the way to et the hizhest bide. An slgnce of hasiness capacity would pot blmsclt {n conncetion with persons engaged fn the par- tleular lno of business_and ask them to bid on thut particulas thing. This was the more of- fectual way to seeure the real vatue of the prop- erty offered for sale. 1n auswer to Mr. Knott, witness sald he had £old {1 thut way “everything * that was ever {u the hands of o bankrapt cstate, but ke adm! ted thut he didn't koow of another fustauce of the sale of the stock of a corporation fu thut way, Ile hud always futiad a private “hfil eruble to a public vue. 1( the Assiguey didu’y £o Lo partles wost lkely to b, he wonldn'y wet goud blde, Advertlsements wers usual, ::lut the maln relance was oo private solicita- on, Iu answer 10 Col. Coover, who embudied o Blazory of the Heeing notes und stock du L3 questlon, witness sald he had neyer known of o case like it, He had neser found that the com- merelal hanks of Chicsrro were good plsces to 0 to aell paper overduo thres of four years, hut nersons Joaning money on real eatalé wern e likels to buy it as aughody elae. Ile knew of no special class who boiight stock in German newapapers, [Laughter,]” He thought the llealng notes wera disposed of In A prodent way, for the reason thal, !f they had been ot up at publle anction, " the stock would hare been in “esxtreme peril,” They were not a thing that gave an assiirance of bidders ur of competitlon, To have Advertlsed for sealcd bids, Jesving tho thiny open and sotting ono againat anothier, woul have been a good way,—n little better way than that sdopted. ‘The counsel on Loth sides then entered Into An arriment with the witness as to what would have been the effect of entering up judzment against Hesthe, and no one kiows how long the talk would linve lasted 1f Mr, Knott hadn't be- comns impatfent ami stopped It Al a quarter after 8 the Committee adjonrned antil half-past 9 this morning, when ail the wit- nesscs who fave been subpenaed are requestod to be present. THE PROVINCE OF TIE JURY. To the Editor of The Tribure, Citrcaao, Feb, 8,—The case referred to by Mr, Lapham wns probably The United States va. Btanley, 6 McLean, 409, which holds that It in the relntion of facts to a lawver tho defend- ant told them truly, anid, ylelding to the advice s to thlr legal efect, swore to ah aflaavit that s false, dtefendant was not guilly of perjury, ‘e Court fnstructed the petlt jury, p. 412: “Yoru are to determiine the facts in tha case, and judge of the gullt of the defendant.” ‘1t 18 a necessary consequence fromn the rght of rendering a general verdict and the wrivilege of not being questioned as to their reasons for It, that the Jury niust pass upon the whole matter fn fssue nnd decide both the law amd the fact’ Noah's case, 8 City-Iall Recorider, 24, ‘Ihe Jact that n false oath was taken under the ndvice of counscl, or of a Judge, on whom the secused had the tight to rely, is complex, consisting of o number of facts, 10 bo proved only by the oath_of witnesses, of whoso credibllity and effect the jury sre to determine. (United Htates va, Btanlew, ante.) Aund If the Judge {8 a witncss to sny of {heso facts, he can toke mno part n the trial of his own credibllity or the effect’| of nls testftnony, (Morss™ ve. Mari 11 Barbour, 013; Brown vs, Brown, 3 E. D, Bmith, 1543 The People va, Miller, £ Parker, Crim. ep., 200.) On such a trinl evi- dente tocontradict or impedch the witnass may b fntroduced, Ie may Lo cross-examined, and muay be compelled to testity, or committed for contomot lu refusing to answer, (Ibld.) ‘Ihe luw vests the Grand Jury with its powers and furisdiction: Sec. 813: “he Orand Jury imponcled and sworn in any District Court may take coznizance ol nll erimes nnd offenses within the jurlsdiction of the Circult Court for sald district.” ‘This 1s declaratory of the com- mon law power. Formerely the witnesses had tu be sworn In open court or by a magiatrate, but Hee. 800 now gives to the foreman ot the Grand Jury power to administer oaths to wit- neesea before that bodv, he signature of a District-Atlornes constitutes no part of an fn- dictment, and 18 only nct‘usnr{ 0s evidence to the court that he is’ prosccuting the offender conformably to the duty fmposed on him by statnte.”? (United States va. MeAvoy, 4 Blatch- ford, 418.) 'Thia was a cass where the Distijet- Attorney died before the examnination of the case befora a Commissioner, and the Grand Jury fndicted the avcused, and_returned the indlet- ment into vourt before 8 District-Attorney was appointed. Lex, —— AMERICAN ARISTOCRATS OF THE FRONTIER To the Vditor of The Tridune. Cmcaao, Jan, 20,—Now that General Shor- man and tho Becrotary of War have brought the coufiict between thelr Department and that of the Interlor to a sudden close, wo can expect from (liat source no further luformation about the frauds practiced on the people, under cover of buying land from Indiahs; but enough has m.ready been told Lo prove thut, under both De- partments, the Indisu Burcau has recked with corruption; and there is abundant reason to be- Heve that (he hait—nay, that the tenth part—has not been totd. Of course, Beeretary Behurz fnlly expeets to correct abuses, to bring order out ot ehavs, and tnaugurate a policy of honesty in the administration of Indinn uffairs, and, of course, hie will fail, a8 all his predecessors have done. Elght years ago the country was vocal with praise of I'resldent (irant's peace policy, which was almost universally accepted as something new und eertain to work a revolution o Indian atfairs, and when I predicted that hly succeasur would bo Investigating the Indian frauds of his Adminlatratlon, und that the old, old story woutl Lo told aguly, folks thought me very uncharitable; but the event proves that I was correct, and ft required no more gift of prophe- cy to foretell the event than it does to say that we will have a new moon nt a certain time. The pledges nnd purposes of succeasive Ad- ministrations to reform our Indtan affulrs are like the standing jokes of a clreus clown, aud ceass to be amusing when one has given atten- tlon to them for half a dozen times, Wha wonld have supposed when Mr. Lincoln ook the Bloux nuraerers out of the hands of the State nuthorities of Minnesots, rewardod thelr crimes with munitivent supplies of food, clotbluy, arms, nud ammunition, and au expen- slye sicambont rido of three weeks to a poiut they could have veachied on fool in three days, that his Administration could ever be charge: with injustice to the Indlany wv;wu le urned the Chippowas over to Bishop Wiipplo he folt that he ‘hud solved the Indian probtem, und secured Justiea and speedy civllization to onu tribe at leasty wid su cstab- lished o precedent which he and his sucves~ sors had but to fullew in order Lo bring about the reign of peaco on thy plaing and good wilt to Indians, One of the Augesn stables which Duchunan bequesthied Lincoln was this indlag Department, snd he went carnestly to work to dig a channel whicl should turn a river Into 1t and wash out the sccumulations; but when he got the water in, fL deponited tmara dirt than it took awny, just s it hal under Tavlor und Fulmore, umd Polk nnd Pierve, and ail tho rest of the s 1t did under Jonnson und Girant, and it will do uuder Iayes, and all hls succossors, untit the old stable is pulled down, or burnt up, or otherwive tnully aisposed of., Seeres tary Bchurs nigne os well try to inougurate some houest plun of burglary, or nsll-robbing, —some plous way of steuling hens,—ns to get us an hunest polley for freding able-bodied mew fu idlenesa, Ho long sa our Indian system taxes Indus- trions white moy to feed, nnd clothe, und hause, and aru, sud equlp 4y vagubonds of hostlle savaucs, 0 long Wwill there Le fraud in thy do- ing of It. A stream cannol rlsn abuve fis fountaly, 8 man or & gavernment caunot dis- obuy the fundamental iaws of. wature, and do it hotivstiy. You cunnot tuke the wages of one nah 1o paunerize another without comuitting o frund on boths and How cull you oxpect that your azeet, i a fraundulent sransaction, will sct rool failh with youl Governnent neceasarlly demoralizes a man when (L makes hin {ts szl o canaummate framd, und hus no righs to complaim when §o sullers by the roguery it teaches, No man can com into clods contatt with lndians without feellugg 1hut they wio whundantly sble to raise their own beel and hamna, thelr corn sud potas 1oes, thelr own woul and tlax, and 10 tnanufuc- ture them Intu clothing, It 8 spvarent to all ordinary obscrvers that feeding and clothivg thens 1ewds to Keep them fu fleuess, that {t ren- ders them fumprovident und deswructiye, aml cun we wonler thal su nany contractors l!im thedr supplics to other uses? 1t i an indisputablo face that Indlans destrov the provielons sent to them, und siarvefrom the 1usults of that deatruction; wd can we wonder that Ayents supoly théa with inferlor sriicles, aud sliort alowaneal A lady who speut yeurs atmons thew as & missonary tokl my thut the hurdest work sho had ever seen Indiaus do was rollng barrels of flour up a steop, rough. hitl to start thew down, leaptur from sione to atone, whilo they shouted i frantie glea to ses the llour spurt out between the staves, and wien the barrel smushed thoy pernited thelr ponies 1o come atud eat it ol the ground, Latw reports tell of iheir cuiting the sack ofl Hour, leaving it 10 go towaste, whily tnoy used the sack. Ouo roport says that, at one thme, there were 5X) bushels of corn Iving out on the ground rmunr st 0no Agency, {Vln:xl wen ruise corn they tu taku care of t, and When we refleet that every pound of flour and guart of beaus delivored to lndians costs the workiugmea ol s countey one dollac, atnl that they do mnot even prutest musiust the robbery, onu feels ihat tbey ougbt to have @ DBismarck W wmansge heir sifals. ‘Thire can 'e no honest sdminlatration of In- dian affuirs untit they arg erged in the Nation their connunies broken up, aud cach fainily sup- piled with an walicoable honestend on any part of the publie land whers they woy thoose to dwell. “fhey koew how to cultivate land before Columbus vame over. Give them i, secure tho fndustrious ogalost the cocroacbmeonts of the {dle, govern them as you do white men, and let them work or starve. No other poliey can be Just, elther to the bndian or Wiy white paanl Btop this whiole Lusivess of pauyerzing Indlana; and stop 1t at oncsa never will work untiy lh"_vri:lru';\,:cl'\:,fl ond Acents never wiil stop nteaiing o, M; plies a0 1ong ns thicre are Ay to pyoa 20 fup. Just now would bea good (ime 1 the Fndlan_ volygamy, a0 long pro perpetuated by our churehes, g he Goserntnent. I wo abolish t) in Utah, why preserve it BMONT the We are not willlue that our whige s of o South shall lotd slaves. "Vyyoty 0T well to speak gently to our Amall hagdeg oot per-volored nebobs “of tho Wesy in 1“ emancipation of their plaves} or ot ur President cannog naw sel 83,000, sl Preeldont Ter toriae 130er for latration; bt Spotted-Tail, mud e tnd overy otlier_Ulanketed bravo. ean o2 surplus pappouse or Jqum for pop ot none the letd a lion of Washing;on hogs 7 ba the less 8 ward of the nation, none e iy,700e pet of all the plens old Guakera i b tie “Tiic machinéry of Law ia-t b anr couoiy, Hon to wean the Marmon from {he "mu?eu. wags, anil wo hint ot a litle comyylagoo! bl erring Sontliern brothron, b s 60 forour land “would be shocked if Government fered with the polygamy or slavery oy et Hoyal Tlighnesces swhio do us the popeh 26 our beel, massacro nur citizens, ani gy, 1) eathetlc 'tastes by looking grand. pre ) our vecullar in war-paint nud eagiofon e ™ ol Jaxe Gney SWiaangyy, e METLMOAR Timy Tib, ARRIVAL AND DSPARFURE 0F Ty EXrLAMATION oF Rerenes FEiopied. bunday fiotaiaiiHa x s~ 5y {ionday ety UHIOAGO & RORTHWESTERY RAILWAY, pnerman House) mg y Ticket Offices, 02 Citrk.st, tie df) | Eht it EXprest, asInaT Clty o Y pAkron:. aFrecport, it u DA WA Kee Fast Statl e UM s Hpy it} SWinona & New Uim. dMarauette Kxpresm, atake Geneva & Ttockfon, oFund du Lac, via Janesviil Pullman Hotet CAra&re run throu; caga and Conncll BT, on 1ho 1ram" Kasios Chteats e hher Foad puna Puttman 'No othor. ron or hotel cars weat of Chicazo. e SIkat tormy a-Depot corner of Welleand Kinzia-ste. 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