Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, January 31, 1879, Page 2

2 - . THE CHICAGO 'TRIBUNE: FRIDAY- JANUARY 31, 819—TIWEL PAGES, fifty United Btates officers, who had perjured themeelves every month of the year—testifield in that case. “The jury retired, nnd was out about thirty-six hours. The next mornlng—or after they were out twenty-four Lours, or about thiriy-siX hours—they returned a verdict of gufity, ami then all these men who were inter- §ated In Viogo (rials learted that the honorable Jdudge of the Court had aent for Lo or three jarors Into his chamber and told them that he Tad had to have s verdict o that casc; nand when that came to lhim, there was no justica 16r me any more, and T thought I would stand the consequences, and 8o L kept the plea 1 first entered,” “1Yhat I want to know particularly,” said Mr. Culberson, ‘4s what assurance you received that jnduced youto vlead guilty.” Was there any- thing coming from the Judge directly or fndi- rectlyi" “Not directly from him; no,sir. I can't L1 that to be the case, aithough T was told by different ones,—of conrae, when & man is In ais- tress ho will try to seek fneln.-hm., 20 far as [ kuow persoually, nothing came directly from the Judge.” VALUE OF THE STOCK. - “Wnen Judee Blodgett approved the sale by Vocke of the atock lu that newspaper to Greene- haum, did ho know that that stock wua worth ‘moro than £5,0001" 1 told him that it was, which I forgot to tes- tify to. Yes, he did know." “How did be know it1” #He knew It from the fact that [ told bim that this stock, pledged to the Germanis, was of the first ecries, When weonly had $100,000 capttal, and {n 1872—as our Treasurer und Secre- tary testifled hers yesterday—wo made a profit of over $30,000 in the concern, and In 1873 over 260,000, and thisstock was of the first scrles, sthen we only had $100,000 capital, und conse- quently the purchaser of thiat stock wonld have been cntitled to the watering 1o which it was entitled afterwards or while it iwas in the pos- ression of the Germania. I told him these things {n ordogto move kim in my favor,” WY ou zay that, at the time e approved of the sale, he had [nformatiun of the facts which you testify tod” . Yes, sir; T told hlm mysclf, ir.”! 1 * # DI hie have informatlon at th time of what he stock was really worth' ¢ Whether ho had Information from anvbody clse bt myselfl [ caunot state.” “wInd you tell him what the atock was really worthi™ 1 told him it was worth a great deal mors than par,—that It wus of the firet issue, and that wo had watered it {0 8200,000, and had paid very Targo dividends,—as bigh ns 40 per cent In 1572, * Do I understand you tomake the statement hat the Judge underataod Lhis stock was worth more than par, awl that bie vrdered that sale knowlng that facti’ “1 du say a0, *And that he il that for the purpose of serving vou, his friend, as againse the credltors of that concerni” + [{a did, sir, Lo serve me personally. ‘That s what I consill it, air." il you.” asked Mr. Lapham, “inform the various bankera to whom you went, and eo- Jetted replies to the letters,—dll you tell them thie abeet you bad fn view (n gettlng the corro- spondenval” *Yes, { told them the Assignce would ad- dresa o cireular to them.” “Yes; lut did you tell the parties that it was to sccure the transfer of ‘this stock to you? y “1 know { did tosome of them."” “ Name those.” % *1 told R, E. Giopdell soj think I toll Mr, Laochso, und know 1told Mr. Covlbaugh, because he wan ko luttmate with me that [ used to tell him cvurg'tmm:. Iulzo told Mr. Greencbaum and Mr, Rebim.”? p : DLODGETE'S CHARGE. Col. Couper began the redirect by ssking Mr, Heslog what Le wus {ndicted for, If he knew, ) # For conspiring to defraud the Government in removliog alcobio), or spirits, from the dis- ** Wero you charged in the {ndictment with haviog committed perjury In order to do this" “ No, sl ' Was theroany proof in elther of these cases which were tried,—any evidence that you hadl vver made a falso statement under oath with rveferches to the Internal-Revenue oftice " ““Yhere was no testimony given ggalust me whatever before Judize Blodgett, with the ex- veption that I bad obtaiued un interest for sien- ne 230,000 of notes und giving bonds to George Mitler and Henry B, Miller [n the revenue utllce, I'hat. was all the testimony agatust me on the /whole trial; and that 1 bad taken money for it 24 n recompense for the risk [ ran fn signing the paper and siguing “the Londs, for which the United States to-day ly:wlnlur_ cob aunfnst mo 10 the amount of 50,000, “That is ull In the ;:":‘lfi whisky transactions,—no more and o 88, “Jo you know for what Dr, David Q. Rush ‘and Herman J, Pahilmau were indieted P “¥or tho same.” “ Were you prescot in the Court during the trifll u!_llnfi casef" a8, “Did ?'ou hear the ch\rzo of the Judgeto the 1ur{ {o that case HYes, siey 1did." 1 wilt ask you whother vou remember that the Judgo charged the Jury i these words:™ And Col. Cooper, from i certified copy of the Court records. read the following purtton of that mentorable churgo: 1t socms froper that [ should aluo, in this con- gection, call your attention to the fatt that this ¢lass of oftenses against tne KRevenuo laws 1a not waitlly coustdered vy the community as invalving tise natne degree of mioral turpiiude as frands upon or injtnies 10’ s fellow-man, ‘Phoy are tooked upon us weeo venlal offenses. Our common vxyp riunce with, and knowledge af, wanxind teaches un that en whose moral eense would shirink from e an act which would defrana a fellaw-man of ngly penay, or take from bim property or rlehts of the most triviai value, wili not hesltate, 11 oppartantty offecs, 1o defraud the Governs went of e revenues awearing down the value of thelr property sor tuxatlon, by conceuling thelr praperty trom the Amsessor, by making falee veturyn of thidr incomn G pEOperty, o by heityg partics 1o mmuggting or other vy of tha itey W, Juse i 0w -Ten, by Mich ntaston of conmen or aite by wineh judividuale are wronged or ceteanted, Hence the vvidence which has beun eiven in this €aes ns 10 the charicter herelofare borne by ihe defendants is of leas innort than such evldencs iy upon the trial of cases fur crines involving woral i 1t 18 ouly rallom that men hesrlug 8 yood character fur prolity fall at wate to tho tratuin of offensed celnnnal (n thetnaatvce, o it 1w & matier of frequent. ucuirrence to 4ol nen gutity of stututory “oifenses fthe this who hear and have borne suilenitied reputations for Lonest und uprignt desling, Jowecd, | do net wleem it fmproper Lo say that, within the lest few wontne, several mien who hve burna as spobless Feontations as theae defendavts huve voluutaeily pieaded wulity the Har of ihis Courl, nud perhaps i FONE presence, 10 offetaes of (e vatue’ enaracier a8 that for which defendants are suw on tnial,—s0 that this testiuiohy 1o regard fo chaructor snould bu conwidered 1o tho leht of the @ with which defundants are chursed, Tho 0 regurd (o the attack Tuete by delendiuts, through their conmacl, npon g Goverinent withvascs, While wa sliould sll, Vetliapa, | uuledliatingly | reRret 3e wuwortiy 0 h of bellef tng testhmony "of a gman - who whmitied tlay had - been gty of crime lnyorving great moral turtude, such ae sucder, burelary, aud thelt, yot (tle doubtful whetlicr we ua or shoubl fouk With the saiie do- greeof dlaliust upou the testimony of 8 wilness Who vuly vililed tha commiesion of statulory oe seniul olfenses, in ulber woras, the degrea of yuur confdence lu the witiess shonld ve to & lurge extent weasured by the moral ciaracter of the af- fonss which by adiuits hlwsell (o bo guilty of, * Do you remeimy continued Col, Cooner, 4wl ether tlat §8 (e substaties of the chiarge of Judge Blodgett to the fucy in the case 41 beard o read, aud thought at the sawe ume ol Wiiun E, Dodge, of New York, who, | buileve, was trivd otice und paid o large lug lor swugufiog, und e’ wehadu't duns anythie worse, aud we were Just #s honorable wid lable to be bellevad under outh 48 uny other man.* “ Do you remember whetier the Judvo chareed the jury subatantiatly fi those words in thut cage]"? * 1 did, air, word for word, it 1 recollect.” IESING INVITED 10 SQUEAL, # At what thme wero you {xdicted 41 thiuk it was In the wioter of 1675-'0." “ With whom " I was first arreated *u January—New Year's Eve—snd arrested sud. indicted seversl wooths alterwards—wust hzve been lo thesorimg. 1 was (odicted slupy, uud with Neubaws and (leorge Miller, wul with Juke Rebm and Hoyt— or rathier, Jake Rehwn und Hoyt wers fodicted, sud Wiey uuderlined oy vame fu different baud- ® writing, after the Indictment, I suppose, came futo court, 8s & couspirator with u waw § didu't ‘kuow. 1 don't kuow Hoyt—never had ex- clsoged a word with blin to iy knowledge,” * Slate whether fu Lhe year 1375, o Wi carly part of that year, there were @ pumber of dis- thllery sud persuns engeged ju W collectiou ol the revenue of the United 8 in this ity “ Yes, sir.” © When proceedings were commenced against them by the Government ! “ Yes—the so-called firat batch." “Wera anyof those men ever brought to triall® 0, sir." *[low many wera there of them,—shout how manvi" “1 think there were some forty or fifty of- ficers and four or five distitlcrs.” #1n what Court were they fudieted?” “The Court of Judga Blodgett.” * fWhat became of the indictments againast those men?? “They were all dismissed, and the officera’ {ndiztments were dlsmissed,—most. of the of- fievrs by pn\"l&i("l little fine of from $100 up to U000 or 82,000, +They were never brought to triali? T A “What. did they do In order to accomplish this resulel” “Those that ran away recelved leave tore- turn on the payment of from £1,000 to $3,000, or 23,000, Those who -u‘{ml and offered to squeal —they wera all relcased.” *Yes, but in what_manier was it that theso men, indicted fn 1875 and known as the flrst Uateh, evaded punishment for their crimes i’ “Under oromlise of squealing.” ® Mr. Goudy, rising aud interrupting, sald they may ba some things that would pecessarily be collateral to {t. Mr. Hesing—One afternoon T was sitting In Mr. Juessen's office, and from movements that 1 had seen In Mr. Winston’s oflice between Mr. Glover and himselt— **The Judgel” “Yes. Iwns in Juessen’s office when the Judgecame n there, up two flights of stalrs, almost out of breath——"" “Judge who!" “.Judge Glover: and says he, * Mr, Heslng, I am looking for you,! *Judge, what is it1' I had understood” from Mr. Winston that Mr, Glover had_recefved part of this $§2,500 that I took from Mr. Relun in onder to assist, ile came up-stalrs,—was almost out of breath. This was in the presence of Mr. Jues: says lie, *Hlestng, Healng, now thero is & chance for you.' Saye f, *\What is itI' Says he, *Jake Ttahm lias Isld dow=, and ho has brought you into this thine.' Bags he, * Now all you have to do is to lay down on J. b. Ward, aud I will assure you {mmunity complete.) ¢Well, rays I, “Jude, £ can't, and T won't it [ could.! ‘Then the next was Mr. Leonard Swett ; lie enmo to me in the Tivoli, And be sald, * Heslniz, come up this wav.’ Tifuk one of the reporters of ‘Titg TrinuNe was sitting atong slde ot ne, who wenl away from his seat at thé request ol Mr, Swett, mil savs he, * 1 want to Lavo a littlo talk with you, Mr. Hesing.! 1 had a tatk with him, and he says, * Now you lay down on Ward, and Farwell, ‘wnd Logan, and you vango clear.’ Bays I, ¢ Swett, go to nell’ {Laughter.) That 18 the aoswer I gave blm. Vhat 1 was golog to Government about them. stand, Qreencbaum & Co. «called for, dla not desire to ll]llc'rffl;‘u twllh L:le l“lmkili :i‘r'lloln " :gnnfi;uonhulkurcp?;::d ;:1"“:;. ey undertook to go fnto the trial | Roc 3 o o .'.'P"v’\'»n';'ilwlir;'i’.u.wn as the whisky cases, they | tlon that I had with Mr, \m.,,,,.,"i per, 1o regarded $: would ddiscover that they were entering upon | and they went the same dayon the Hoard o Trade, and thera called the distillers In a corner and told them that Winston wanted $25,000 to $20,000 to get a decislon tn getting the buoks deltvered up to the dlstillers without examinu. tion. ‘I'ey were In the hands of the Marshal, if I recollect rizht, or the District Attorney. And they eaid what for they wanted it, atid Dr, Rush and L. B, Miller, as 1 learved in the sveniug of Roelle wlien he cano to my house to report ity nnd eays he, ¢t B. Miler and Dr. Rush ob- ject on account that it cannot be kept s sccrety—=that they ought to have come amouy the distillers and demanded a cortain amnount without asking for it. " Mr, Lapham—The question put to you was | g5 00, not what appllcations were mado to you which had no fofluence, und which you rejected, bug what was sald o Jon by way ol inducement upon which you acted in Dleading gutity. Al that was sald which you rejected, and which had no influence upon you, is entirely irrelovant to the question put to you. Col. Cooper— The question wasa little broader than that. 1t was as to what yl.ruon!luun: had been made to Wim Individually, und whetlier they led to his pleading gulity, or whether they did’not, without reference to immunity. Mr. IHesing—1 have alreamdy staied “what the ropositions were,~my consultation with the &ovcmmun: counsel that (€ [ koew snything a very larye field. Col. Cuoper tald_the Committee would benr witness that he had not opened the field. Coun- act himsolf had gona into .this matter, and it wus lemitimnte re-cxamination, he thought, on which li¢ was then engaged, and would be such even |y courts of justicu, whera Lho strictest rules of evidence preyall, Mr. Lapham remarked that counsel went Into this mutter only so far as it affected the witneas, Mr. Knott sucgested that the memorlalisis would state in five minutes what they expected to cstablish by this lino of examination, and that the same length of time be allowed to counsel for the respondent to object. Col. Cooper aald the question which ho had put to the witness was merely a preliminary (juestion, to be followed up by asking him what promises wero made to him by the Government oflicers of hnmnumty, Mr. Kuott—As an Inducement to his plea of chisc sour uilty 1 L L‘,‘ul. Cooper—As an inducement to his plea of )Ir? Gouly safd that {f the question was to e direet he would uot object to it It bad been asked, howeyer, and already stated, he betleved. [ what manter,” asked Col, Cooper, *‘was 1t tsut these men, indicted by the Government as the firat bateh, evaded punishment for thels crimel”! Mr. Goudy called the Committea's attention to the fact that this witness wus not ono ot the tirst batch, but the second. Mr. Knott sald they understood that, and property was asslsted. Col. Cooper—You have already stated why you {_)Icmlfuit':mllyl "ucv.r'-: :;n account of the Rush and Pahiman thought that Mr. Cooner inight ask the question, | caset” . b} ht qucation wos ru\wnl‘:d‘ aud thu( witness % That was my reason, but I did not withdraw angwered that they escaped punlstment * by of- | my \vlu:." fering to testify.” fd \'ng did you originally cater a plea of *1n behalf of whom 1" asked Col. Cooper. gullty “Jhe Uovernment.” * And againgt whom1" “ A,flmm us,—what was called the second batc] |;' 'y"hnt wasknown hore in Chicazo as immu- nity '?YEI,’-—Whll the attorueys for the Govern- }nun’. alterwards got on the stund xnd pleaded or." 4 8tate If any propositions were ever made to you to testify nigalnst somcbody else, tn order mt you iight get inmunity oo™ Mr. Lapham—Bofore the plea of gullty or afterwards! Cal. Cooper—Defors or at any time. I want him to glve o bistury of hisown connection with the matter. * 1 dId have an interview once,” sald the wit- ness, “with the attorneve. 'I think Judge Hangs was present, wnd I belleve Mr. Ayer, nud this particular fricnd of Judge Blodgett; I for- zut his name.” “ Who was thati" asked Col. Cooper. *Hlo was first attorney for the whisky men, and then he turned arouna aud weat for the Governiient, by permission .of the UGovern. * fecause it was held out Lo us that we should be very lenfently dealt with If wo would save vosts to the Government.” ' By whom wus it held out P* By the Government otlicers themeelves in- sisting wo stould plead wuilty to two counts. The Indictment hud a dozen {n. Mr, Lapham—Youn were asked tho nume of the persotl who gave that indictment. “Mr. Boutell and Mr. Bangs, aud, I think, | o Aver was present. As to tho punish- muutd of course, they could not say, but they would recommend lenjency. And Mr. Junker afterwards went befors the Government counsel and ststed the fact,—the conversation thut I had with Mr. Winston in regard to that money,—uiil I belleve thut was the only reason why ['wus harshly dealt with, and [ did it to help friends.”” Col, Cooper sald there might be a few ques- tlons, after thiukinz the inatter over, that he tnight desiro to ask Mr. Hesing, but, it it saited the convenlence of the Committee, ho should like the Committee to adjourn for dinner, It waa then noon. 5 The Committee, howover, seemed loclined to oratins, Mr. Voeko ha for that stock.” of i1 market to bo sold.”” ance Cotnpaoy " 4 Yea, air, ment," go_abead. Comy 1 “Was it Mr. Bouteilad” Mr. Knott was understood to say that the uwp 4 Ycea, it was Houtelle, ‘They wanted to know | Committeo desired to ask Mr, Heslog some | small, or me whetber I Knew anything agalnat Mr, Farwell—Mr, C. B. Forwell,—stalnst Gen, aowzan, or Mr, Wand,—J. D, Ward, Districr- Attorney forinerly, utd member of Congress.” * What did yoif say to them ™ 1 told them that 1 digu’t,—that { had no trangactions with any ono whatsoever.” Was that truel it was truag and that T believed those men bid nothinge to do with 1. *I further sald to them, ¢ tientlemen, If you want to buy from me to perjure mysell inorder to get my free- dom or get elear, then you may send ma wher- uestlons, and he would, therefore, not be dis- charged. THE OTHER WITN! ESB?B. HERMANN RASTER. Hermann Raater, chlef cditor of the Staals- Zeltung, wos sworn. Ile bad been connect- ed with the paper since the sunmer of 1867, In 1874 its property couslated of the good will, the vame and vriviicge, uud besldes there was the ** No, sir, ho did that informationi” ¢ He had u conye “Just answer | cyer suu please. 1 shall not do it Bubse. | 10t with o bullding on It 40x110, and soven tto- | sitfon, ns 1 underatan ety T 5ad N fonie converautton | ries blgh—brick, with a finishing of artificiat | with Frod Winatony—he wos o very | stone. It vost about 225,000, fuclud- lnlunm'u l:"iunu of " Jullk:u ll!l;sdxrsu.— fog the fixtures and lot. The s, uir, ho did when he B S, \mfl;"fl:f:‘:flfi‘.luflfiu‘flmagu'f"w:m lond was In n valusble locullty,~th | 1gpee financial business with him," sccond best, he consldered, in tho elty, and It would be first when the Court-Ilouso was com- pleted. In 1874 thero was a mortgage on the that he used, when ho was {n the lobby at Sprinutield, to carry rallroad mensures through the Lemslature; tiat he had bought Mr, Ward, and that he had to stay alongsldo of Atn and o e ho wus sutiafied that 'ho could contrul tho pur- | yne Ifeslog notes, wero cmbraced fn thut petis wards carrled for Mr, Rebm to Mr. Winst . s - W S h0—n note of slout £2,000, 1 trynic, ':;l'll'w paper was. ‘That portion of the buslucss was | partes bidding on that stock.” Onthiegthiof Apell you, fled twosnptica days ntter date,—or 81,500 und 81,000 {n drib- ollogs. Where 18 weot £ cannot tell,”” WINSTON'S INFLUENCE, *tWhat did you take it to Winston forl" “To get his lufluence with Judgs Blodgett. Previously Mr, Winston had usked me, when [ went [n behadf of the firet buteh, st the request of Roello nud Junker, who had wiven ne some money when § was - {n distress,—brought It to me, [ dldn't know Junker, but I knew Roelle, and he was o German und & lurge stockhbolder in the Qermania Inaurance Company, nid he wos presant at the imeeting at 3r. Locwenthal's; ottended to by Mr. Pletsch. The paper was & daily, printed In Gurman, aud vot in Checta The circulation was larger than that of any Ger- wan paper pubhished west of the Allegheny Mountalus, and was ot thut time, Is bat sn Assoclated Press franchise which was worth $25,000 In 1875, He belloved that was the prico ald for the franchise of the old Kepublican in 5{)‘:‘ cross-cxamiuation, he stated thiat the flost- ing debt of the Company In 1874 was, rouchly, $100,000, It wasn't necessary ta borrow maney to meet It As he recolteeted, thers was from 50,000 to $00,000 In the shape of bank credits, see other baokl stock{" »§ think not,” youi" runoing discounts, and a purt of it wae owing e ;i 5 , position of the Ilesing notes und 'k, tha wn Ttoetlo and Junker carmo to mo ut our bulld. | o' meniers o tho: Company. Tho debi | e ot aa- well piomsen 1 somesony i) | Guurt ordered you to” scll thoss ae. pelvate ing, ina lttle private rvom, n semple-ronm | erued durine the bollding of the house, ‘Iliers Rot i “‘-“'l'nnl-m:rict. ¥ heltiva e 1o whak:this was nothing to butld with _except the runsing income nid the credits. ‘The liouso was com- tuenced In 1672w finlshed In 1873, The fes of the lot was in tbe Compagy. In anawer to Col. Cooper, witness sald he didn't know of o sale of stock within a vear, but knew of & sulu withln twou years, Ife bought ten slmres lo August, 1876, for 833 u sbare. 'The pur value wus £100, The vapital stock at thut thme wus $400,000, Mr, Lapham—Tle chiof value of tho stock Is In the good willl AMr. Raster—In Its name, reputation, standing, political lnfluence, and Htcrary ability, 1 don't lonk upon the properly #s cousisting of types aud presses. Everything in tho shupe of tangi- bie property was swept away by the fired yet, with one chair aid u table, the company had a credit of $20,000, | cousider the good will worth about § Lo answer to dowa-stalrs, whers they sald: ¢ Mr. Heslug, you know Mr, Hodgete? *Yes, [ do,’sald [ *You ure a crest friend of his, nud e s of yours,! they satd. *Wa know the trousactions aud the favors Wit were grantad to you in the Germanta cse. Now, will ybu not sce bim regand to the dectsion which is about to be ren- dered to give up the books that they selzed at e ditTerent vitices of the distiliery compauies!) 1 said to thew, *Gentlemon, 1 om willing to do unything in the world tor you, but I could not £o with any such proposition to Mr., Blodgett, [ could uot, amt [ would not it Icould.' *Well, sald they, ‘ean't you sve somebody clse o urder to reach Wmf Bad L, ‘Yes, [ cansce Mr, Winaton.! 1 wes then on the Liucoln Fark Bourd with Mr, Winitun, We belouged 1o 1he by the Asslunce.” #1 could private sulef! *ile told vate aulof" v, Goudy, e sald whether ita suwno political organtzation, Aud Str. Witk | vyiie'dopeuded pi the eitorship was not tor | o} stll Wl 8Dy YA '{fi:‘;‘"'mm'{ Tintohe Tv epended tpon the net earatnge | 40, 1HaL" tovse mien wabt to got hulp{ X du whut 1 tell th Says L, -+ Well, what 13 thatf' Says he, *They must, In the first place, cinptoy Mr. Campbeli, e '1s the ons wio has pot the var of Judze Blodgett. The next they must du is to pay $20,000.° * Well,! says I, *that Iow bz aum,’ *Well,! ways ho, *have they got money ' Savs I, L auppose they huve, 1 don't Inow” unythlng sbout thelr crcuinstances.! Wiuston ttiercupon satd, *Yhe only tiuuble tn theway ks Ward, Now, 11 you cun talk with Wurd,"—whoway theu Districl Attorvey,—* that whew a motlon ts inade 1o & certain diroction, Mr. Ward shall not appose it.” Bays 1, *1 wil] wee Mro Ward, Lut 1 am afrsld that [ can't do anytning with bim! “Thea put this questlon 1o B, Euyy 13+ 3 Winston, can yult juy money tududie Blodzete ! Aud bouude he remark that, whcn Gio suw Judzo Blodgett WiLli Wty curpet-sack the other day gows toward the depot to meet bis doughter Wt had been cducated in Europe, be (et sorrow for him, us shulby as ho lovked, winl thae he could make hiin 4 preseut wsation),—ho could make It @ presvnt. ‘The next wove was, Mr. Leon- ard Bwett el me in the Tivol, who was vue of e Guverutuent counsel, und savs he: ‘I witness was stopped by u band motjvs of A'lr. Kuott, who began 1o vousuit with bils wsso- clatew. . Mr. Heslnw—It 1he Comimnittee please, I want o add @ little to 1oy tiest— Mr. Knott—Wait a mument. Mr, Culbersou—~\Ve would like to bave the ob- Jeet of this examinativo stated. Col. Cuoper—The witticas bus heen tellivg iy fu his own way, What [ was after was to gt froun bl whut propositious had beea madte to bl regandiog fuwuuity und—— AMr. Cuthersun—That is what we waut to heur. Cul. Cooper—1 did uob iutercypt L, vor coutiatl ou the nther side, Alr, Catapbell—Ob! we do not tnterrupt bim, Mr. Culbedsun (ta Mr. Couper)—1he Co of the puper, He didn’t reckon the value by the capital. 18w plecs of property ylelded 815,000 frum rents he should cousider “it” worth 100,600, 49 I repty to Col. Cooper, witness said the Com- pany had bought sowe stock from Mr. Lombard withiu six mooths. e dudn't know the price, since bo duln't keep the books, [t was stock which bud been pledged by Mr, Hesing and forfeited by blin, He supposed the mattor wos wettled by giving Mr, Lotbard the amount he had advanced ou it That stock was part of the $100,000, bids, #You did Lot d " Raster wus subsequently recallsd snd ued by Col, Cooper. Judzing by hisowa , b considered tho serles of §179,000, worth 150 a share in April, 1574, Ho had made Lis last will und testament on that bas| Col, Cooper then relerred to Alr Vol and usked 101t woas now proposed to tal testimony at his Louse i the alternoon. Mr. Koott sald that Mr. Vocke had sent word that hie would bain condition o give bis testl- mony ut 3 o'clock Inauswer 1o My Uoudy, the Chalrinan futl- wated that the Cotmmittes would go to AMr. Yochu's houss to take bis deposition, and would yt inalst ua bis cowlox vut, A reveas was theu taken till Lalt-past 1 o'clock. bu should bave it would uifer $ for et " Yes, slr. tween wwW WILLTAM 1, KING. On thie reasseinbliug of - the Cowmittee lu the sfternoon it becames appareat that the excite- meot which the drumatic scenes of the woru- g, durlug My, Hesing's examination, called forth Lad very vonsidorably avated; and there was o wuch swmaller sudience, much less bang- log of chalrs vn the wasble fAvor, and 8 much quleter thue generally in the room, AMr. Williura 1L Kiog was called to the stand by Col. Cuoper, aud stated that he bad beon wonoy.” celod. wlve the sume way; there was o way, uud he could tee deatte you tu keew the tuvesttzution down, | practliug luw fu Chlcago fora quarterof acen- | pel biin to do it. It was s per- | getousof fi. He did that bebind wy back, v tury, wid kus known Judge Biodaets for twenty | soual o quural - obligation. Tha proberty | clandestinely, and [ discovered it only wheu GLOVER AND SWETT, 5 years, Col. Cooper propos:d 1o msk Mr. Kiog hls opduiun of Julge Biwleett’s busincss capacity, outside his cuinaty o3 @ lawyer, with the viow ol showiug that the Judgue wus not likely to be luiposed upuy, Lelbg @ wau of udalrs, why Col. Cooper (to the wituess)—What I want you to du bs to woutiue your teatluony to what propusitions were Utado W you, sud Low they WeIY LdG L YU, 83 LGar e youcaw dha knew the valus of stoc After consultation, the Chalrman 'announced that the Committce would presume Judge Blodgett to be a man of ordinary ability, ‘Fhe farther questioning af Mr. King on the point was, therefore, waived, and he left the NENRY GREENEBAUM. Mr, Flenry Greenchaum waos ucxt examined. He testificd that hie had been engaged In bank. ing, and fn 1874 was President of the German Natlonal Bank and of the German Savings Bank, and was connected with the house of 1o had known A. C. Hes- ing upwards of twenty years. Ie remombered And | writlog a letter offering $5,000 for the notes ind collaterals of Mr. Hesing, und he got the stock and notes on that bid. 3 to Mr. Hesing, and the stock was subsequently delivered on the payment of the amount of tha bid. ile wrote the letter making the bid at the instance of Mr, A. C. Heslug. On cross-cxamination by Mr. Goudy, the wit- ness said the stock was delivered at his place of business during his absence to sn emplove with whom he had left tnstructions to pay for the stock If he received In on his bid. The stock was there for some considerable time it wasnot 1iis wife holder In the Stqats- hield ns collateral in his bank some of A.C, Hestng's paper and some of Mr. Pletsch's pa- stock to any one, except it might be worth more to Mr. Heslug. It was a security a zood deal 1ika Chicago suburban real estate; they might put values on It, but could not get money for it. When Mz, Hesing called on him to get him to make a bid on that stock, he (Mr. Heslog) was wiiling to take the stock off bis handsat a higher flzure; but he (Me. Ureencbaum) was uot willing to bid any more than that, and want the stuck Ieft on hishands for that amount of mones, Mr, Heslng was wllllnF o give us hign aa 40 per cent, which, oo the fa §17,000, would have been equal to 86,500, but the witncss was not willing to bid more than u answer to the Chalrman, Mr., Greencbaum said that Mr. Hesing pald §5,000 for the return of the stock, stimply the amount of the Witness catimated the value of stocks on the | basia of the Intrinsic propurty owned by the cor- poratton sbove its ludcbtedness, upon ita fran- the amount of ils Habilitles and re- its management, und the apparent re- celpts of the business, vany at that time was hcavily indebted. Its s | worth au:u.tm, sl was mort- gaged for that amount. tvmch were taken fors loan of £73,000 in gold, neeotiated with the United States a\lunpfi:o Company; at that time gotd rated at about 15 agaiost Ward or these people that L could be | per cont premimmn, 8o that in flnve amounted to more that vany bod falr receipts from advertising. Mr, Hesing's reason for wuhln& stock wns that he wished, {f possible, to have the stock purchased by some one thut was not in- {m{eal to his personal intcrests, so that he could have su opportunity to buy the stock again for Lis own advantage at the same fleure. In snswer to Mr. Lapham, the witness sald thnt Mr. Hesing was not then In sach circun, stances that Le would navo taken bis personal sccurity for $5,000, ualde from personal consiid- fle was to hare the stock delivored 1o b by Mr. Vocke; hio reganted the transac- tion as o purchase of the stock Il{‘hlm!ell was willing Lo give Mr. Heaing A the purchase at the sawe price, though he was not at sll certain that it would take that course. Mr, Culberson then took the witness fn band, 1l i !‘{‘I'l:: :un yoy find out that this stock was to n 3, lled on ma and told me that Vs fizdnml an ordor to solluit bids ©Ia that the first intimation you ever had WThat I rocollect distinctly. I was mysolf somewhat scquainted with that eatate, and with the (formnniy cstate, how they were put on the “Were you a creditor of the Germania Insnr- I had soma interest in the Com- any (" “'To what extenfavere you a creditor of that any l‘)‘h’flhl] $10,000; the dividend was vory * Did bo tell you how he pro«:uwl an order to haya that m-uru:rl.yi ,t‘:hl m nol “Where did yonmeot Lim when he zave you ** Ho called on mo at mv office,” * What was the proposition lie made to you at that thne! Did he make any proposition " ation with e, question, you o propusition 1n relation to the purchase of jat ol *Not oa | could defl t, W will put the question in this way,—did he not usk you as a fricna to buy this stock which ‘was to be eold by Vocke at private sale (™ 1wosa banker, doing o “DId he not on that oeeasion, or on snmo other occaslon, infurm you that he bat taken menns to sce other bankers in the clty, nmd tat #That don't answer the question, DId he not tell you at llm\?tlmu that ho had taken means to ra and busincss mon of the city, and that e could control the purchase of kit *#You have no recollection about it, haye »1 have this recollectlon—that I was not sure whether I would et tho stock at my figure or ol *+You dil not want the atock, did youl" * Yo, str, 1 was willing to take it at £5,000,"" #1 understood you to state in your letter thut you would preferhe would aell It to somabody clae ot the same aum " 4 You would not have made that purchase, would you, on your own accounti? “1 do not think I would," #You did vot know anything about it until he communieated the Infurmation to you I" *Tlat | cauoot say. [ knew it was to be sold +Did you know that that property would be sold ot private satel” nut say whether I know that." 4 Did he uat toll you that it was to be sold by s wius ndvised thut a 1 me that Mr. Vocke was sollclting | between n\w, A as I'Anh.-nu:“ ¢ o(p"“:;:: bids, “DId he 'nel tell you {t was to be sold at pri- **1 do uot kuow whether b told me that or ot.! * DIl hie not tell you that the Judge, or the Court, would grant zu order for a private salet® do not think we bad any conversstion as *Did you know at the time you wrote that letter wh'.n'l; uuthority Vouke bad to soll Ut Il information was that he was directed to 1did not understand that there peremptary onder to sell. “*Now, | underatand vou that thls purchase Ahut wais made by you was made for the benetls wlons of Mr. Hestigt" +¢No, 1 did not state that," 4 No, slr: when 1 mado that bid of $5,000 1 waa prevarcd 1o puy for the stock uud hold it, und {f 1 recolved 1he stock on my bid § was wiile gt Mr, Ilulm" wanted it st that prive, that s Now, I will ask you this question: Was 1here, oF was there not, an exoress uuderstands jug between qu sud My, Mesing that, It you ,000 fur thut stock and securd it, be would returs you that swount of money *Fhere was uo understanding of that sort. 1 knuew hat it was bl uteution tu buy the stock of me at tuat price.” # Well, when you made the offer as cxpressod in that letter, did you not futend {o let Heatng hn‘vu'll for the sama price you gave for 11" *Well, wos there not an understandiog be- o1 ubout that 1™ 1, to this exteut: that 3fr. llesiog would make an cifort to get that stock,—to ratse that ‘The witness went on 1o say that the note and stuck were recelyed by ouv of bls ewployes, Mr, Bhaifuer, uunder bis dircetion, detiuite recollection when the noto was can- It was upon the stock, and vot uvon the note, that the value was placed.!’ Ou_furiher cross-cxamination by Mr. Goudy, the witucas sald be fcli uuder au oblization to Hesing the stock st the Mr. Heslug was not ina position to com- ol the StaalsZeitwuy Cowpany deprecited in the apring of 1574, stter the paule; it was prob- ably ‘worth $150,00; thelr Indeb kuew, was enouzh to ske them feel uncom- lortable; it was wll of $100.000, In sddition to the wurtgoge wiivauy elerred tue Tualvad of d made faquirics diyidends In 137 and 1873, iner cost £200,000, his recollection, make her stock an o en $1,000, witbio the last two ye missed by the acceptance of since failed for the fitth time. WILLIAM IIENRY SMITIH, The note was delivercd the Port, and agent of tho Assoclated Press, franchises tn the Associnted Press, and. after dark to them before, safd that the value of o morning franchise had been held for severnl years to be worth about €50,000, In April, in German or {n English, although this was changed tn the fall of that year. In April, 1874, theilr franchise was held to be worlh, as now, about £50,000. A franchise in o mornf at that time n stock- ‘tung Company, and he an afterncon vaper. On cross-cxamination, Mr, Gomlg asked Mr, Bmith who it was that cstimated this franchise to be worth $50,000, nnd the estimate of the members of the Aesoclation, —the different newspaper proprictors. Mr, Goudy was apparently very anxtous to lay it s the full valuc of the mure nor less thah o demnitfon monopoly, und lar Mo of loquiry, Mr. Smith stated, o the cotirse of lils replles, that the franchise of the old Lepublican, ufter the fire, was sold for some did not ce value of | morning paper in Chicago, ‘The reason it sold for §25,000 then, and not for 30,000, lay In the fact that at that time Chitago was fn ashes nid the futurg of the newsnaper was as much in doubt us that of any otlicr business. fayorablo circumstances, it might liave sold for twice as much, The right to rublluh In German and English was relinquished n the fall of 1874 by mutunl sgreement. bid. noon dispatchies. Thighad beea tacllly ugreed to stnce the orgnnizadlon of the Assoclation, but at this time it was fut into leesl forw, o Uil not know whether Judge Blodzett know v!mvth'lur. of the valus of an Assocluted I'ress ranchi . In reply to Col. Cooper, Mr. Bmith explained that the arrangement In the fall was cmlml(y unanimots, uhe paper giving up the samo privi- leco ay the others. Mr. Knott—Tun Trisuxs could have pub- Hshed the dispatches fn English and Germao in Agn\, 1874, could it nott \ r. Bmlth—Yes, sir. Mr. Knott—And so could the Staals-Zeitung! Mr, 8mith—Yos, sir. ' Mr. Lapham—They cach agreed to talk in their native tongues, did they{ [Smllcs.] Mr. Smith—Yes, sir. '*There arc no othcr witncsses present,” sald Col. Cooper. & Mr, Knott announced that the Committea woulil go to Mr. Vocke's restdence and take his testimony. 1le had been informed uun.ulgm. wersons could bo conveniently accommodated, Tho party was nccnrdmgl‘y made up of the threo Committeemon, the sienographer, Jucge Blodgett and Mr. Goudy, and Cul. Cooper and A!:i slk‘neldnu, and they lefe the ralmor at 8 o'ctoci, "Ihe Stants-Zeitung Cotn- He held securitics currency it would 875,000, The Com- him to bid for this but he bunetlt of WILLIAM VOCKE, ASSETS OF THE GERMANTA. When tho Committes and the memorlatlsts reached Mr. Vocke's reslcence, No. 520 North LaSallestreot, they found Mr, Goudy anl Judge Dlodgett thero, thoy haviag started a few mo- ments sooner from the hotet and arrived firat. Mr. Vocke was up and dressed, and rocolyed tho gentlencn {n his parlor, Mr. Vocke wasaworn, and, {n response to Col. Coonar'sinterrogations, gase his namo and residence, and stated that he waa appointed Assigneo of the Germanla Insyr- unce Company about Marca 20, 1872, Prior to April, 1874, two dividends had been declared, ono of 2 per cent and one of 13{. A third dividend of 3 per cent was declared on the 27th of Aopril, 1874, Ou the 7th of Aprily fn additfon to the cash in band, amounting to $104,871.13, ho held assets con- slsting of two notes of A. C. Hesing, oue for $10,000 and one for 85,000, with intcrest at 10 per cent from the 1t or July, 1870, In addltion to the Healnx notes, he had tho followinz unconverted nssets: A judgment agalnst Jef- forson Farmer, a judgincnt agsinst Leltch & Townsond, & judeinont against {Henry Kenkel, and nlso a note against Edward Salomon for $100. “In other words, in_addition to the Hesing notes and the cash on hund, all other unconvert. cd nsgets were embraced fu qur petitlon flled beforg the Court on the 7th ol April, were they Did he make l’E; It was not a propo- A \'u‘ sir: all the unconverted nssets, except tions to the Court with reference to the dispos|- tion lol“t‘}u"lnu unconyerted assots, did you not i’ T aid, “In the ono petition Jou had all except the "'f.";"f}, (}Il‘)’cl and stockd" #n the other you had the Healng notes and stock by thewaclvesi™ ¥ At “The Court made two orders on that dag 1 41 think thut {8 what the record shows, " *In the one ordor as to_all tio assets, cxeept the "Clln? notes und stock, the Court ordered you to sell them at public sale “Yes, I think that Is what tha record shows," “In the other, asklug foatructions as to dis- rocord shows. [ want to ask you, Mr. Vicke, why or at whose lnstance you tiled the one petition con- taining sl the other nsicts than the Hosing notes, und didn't also Includo the Hesing notes fu the samu petltion #Well, la ordor to explaln that T shull have to go back fnto the history of the ncgotiatious with the stockholders who owed money upon which the final dividend was pald. About the flrst or the latter part of Docember, 1874, Germania Insurance Comr-uy, aud ol of the stockholders, wha fusisted that thetr policics, upon whieh they had sufered a loss by the great firy In October, should bo & sct-off agalnst the indebteducss which the Company held against them upou their stock notes. ‘These suits wers agreed cuses, the titles belng Witllam Vocke, Aswslzuce, vi. Max A. Mayer, und Willlam Vocke, Asslgoce, va. Ferdinand Jueger: they nd brouht a surt befor bis Honor Judge Blodzets. Judge Blodgett—You mesu yon brought suit. Mr. Vocke—Yes, I had brought the suit againat them, ‘Fliero was an ogreed cass on a stipulation signed by me on the ona side, and alb the stockholders on the other, that they carry up the suit to the Buprame Court at Washlvgton, and sbide by the result o case it was deetded agalust them, agrecing to pay at ores or let judetent be entered against them, without auy furiher appeal. In Docember, 1574, theso sults were decided ln my favor, an 1 at onee proceeded to inform the stockbolders of the reault. 1 procured a copy of the opinion filed by the Buvree Court, aod as soou us lud thut 1 addressed u circular-letter to all of the stockholders, including Mr, A, U, Hesing. ‘Fhe witnesa read the letier, which stated the declsion of the SBupreme Court, reminded the stockbolders of the stipulation abuve meution- ed, and called uvou thews 10 redven thelr notes, su 08 to avoid judzment, . Ho theo sald: ** 1u the vourse of the next cight orten weoke all the stochbalders, with the exception of A, C, Heslug, actiled thele Habilitics, ‘Chey were, of course, quite Jarge, 1 could ot urge puy- ment at a day's notice; I bud to glvo thew some reasouable tine., ‘There was, (or lustsnce, Mr. Woerth, whose liabllity amounted to §0,435; Mz, Buuer, 10,4073 Mr. Locweuthal, $18,100: Mr, Licbensteln, * $4,764.79; uls EHuck, 0L Mr Jaeeer, $7,430; Mr. Hoslie, #3,044.44; and several others, of more or less sloflar - wmounts, 1 had for & tme greut diificulty in securing yments of this muney, wud the ditiiculty arose in this way: “Mr, A. C, Heslog, as s00n s bo be- cuine uwure of the necessity of paylug, informed soveral of these stockbolders, 1f not kll,—at usy sate, Lean uamo threo to whom bo pereunslly Weul or seot,—to whom hy sad that they should noL pay the judebledoess; ha would 7y to get out of li, und he would try to help the otlivrs in He bad wota sams price, but tlicse men caiue to wo id tuld 1o alxait it, uind sskied me it 1 eould uot give e further tme; tat they underetood from Mr. Hesing there was uo brey ubout payiog. The effect wasthat Le had ast thew all iu "su uproar. He bad sey- eral tuterviows at Ll own otdlee, wtterly witbuut teducsd, ho reducing thelr floatinz debt, they were making On re-examination by Col. Cooper, witness aaid he dit not belieye the Stants-Zetnung Bulld- About thelr dividends, the books of the Company would tell better than He dld nut remember of writ- fng aletter in which he sald that the dividends on the stock were 20 per cent per anoum. Since 1874 he had endearored to purchase 8100 worth of stock of the Staals-Zeltung for his wife, Lo That was years, Hedld pot knuw how much be Dbid for'it, or whether he offercd §50 a share, e considered that the procced- ings in bankruptcy against Lim nad been dis- the composition. He bad vnly ong man opposing him, who had ‘The Hon. Willlam Henry 8mitd, Collector of was examined astothe value of ucwapaper giving the Committco a good deal of gancral In- formallon on & subject which was apparontly 1874, the Staats-Ze'tung could print dispatches ng paper was worth two or three times as much os one in Mr. Smith said It was up against (e Associated Pregs that it was nothing asked several questlons dirccted to Lhis particu- £25,000,—~the only instance of the sale of a Under After- noon papers were restricted to recelving after- my knowledgs, with sevoral of them, 1f ot al of them; and I bad conslderable 18t of Febritary to the 20th of March, ra’ time, should give him tine~at feast Lwo yr. told him [ could not do It. the interest. [ tol the extent of ons penny. peatedly and earnestly” In the presence of partner, Gen. Lenke, angry about [t and went off. TIIE FIRST INTERVIEW, inatter me, Idon't know. be had not been there before. he not, Judgo, at the first interview? Judee Blodgett—I doh't remember. there at some one of the Interviows, so he sa but I don't remmember, his financial embarrasaments; that I hield these papers against himy—had demanded payment, and threatened him with Judgment; that a creditars or the bankrupt, but whotly ruin bim he would do all in his power to recure the which I held, but that under no circumstunces could a signee. he was suffering, what great losses ho had sus- talned Ly the bankruptey of the Garden Clty Manufacturing & Supply” Company, which had very ehortly before tuat thne falled; that he lind, 03 an honest inan, persoually fedorsod tho rnncr of the Garden City to the “extent, 1 be hie would give mo und 8 Judzment could bo satisticd, over and above heee colinterals which L held, sidcrable patienco, the Judge asked me what I :)lrupuwl todo abont jt. Tsald to the Judge the commonest good faith made ft necessary for ine to apply for judgment agalnst Mr, Hesing, und that thero wers people who were on the street about the daoger of my ex! Ing too much lcoiency to Mr. Hesing, The Judmo sald that that was yory probable; it was, however, o question ns to whicther 1t was judi- clous to praceed ro hastily; and ho charged me with looking &t Mr. Henlue's_aflairs, saying ut the same time thnt he would do the same, in order to ascertain whother anything could he_obtoined over ‘and above the "mt by a Judgment. . The Judge further remarkéd lgnl. I the matter were placed {n the hands of the Marshal, us Mr. lesing had previously sall upon the same ocession, nll the other creditors wuitld at once enter info o general serub-raco and fight for the asscts, aud that it mizht be doubtiul whethér it would be In the intcrest of the creditors of this bankrupt Company, who, na the Judge sald, were mostly poor people, living on the North Side, to chasc after a phan- tom finstead of taking something substantial rlght away. The Judgo further stated, **1f you take judg- ment, It may be nccessary for you to loak after the equitics which Mr, Heslng inay have in this property. You, as Assignee, arc in a position to take u? first fucumbrances in- order to reach the property sulld, and then apoly it in payment of the Indebtedness which wa held agalnst the debtor.” ‘Thereupon I went hack to my offlce und discussed the matter with my partncr, who had been Hoslng's attornoy. I will say r{gm. here, 1in order to have it in tho record, that I have never In any one instance acted as Heslng"u attorney or lezal adviser, ox- cept in A little matter in which Hesing was churged by roporter with assault and batters, which was ot a thmo when my partner was out of town. 1 was nover informed by Heslug as to the condltion of his affatrs, and I'never hud any converaation with my parrner (o relation to Mr, Hesing's busincss, Mr, flesfog having prom- {sed that ie would give all the Information that Lie could In order to satisty both thu Judge und mo that o was absolutely insolvent, 1 decmed )t advisable to represent the facta to my partner, and askea the great anxiety: which [ had to make every cent that 1 possibly could. My partoer prom- 1sed that he would do so, and In the course of the day submitted to me some figures, partly those which appeared {n_the records of bank- rupiey of the Garden Clty Manufacturing & Supply Company, and gutg through other mntbxrl algo, in relation to the fncumorances IHesidg bad upon his houses which he then owned on the North Bide,—two very valuable houses,—aud I think the incumbrances. 'Thefn- cumbrances on thess houscs, I believe, wors 40,000, I sattafied inyself that not o sharo of stock which Mr. Hesinz owned in the lliinofs Staats-Zeitung was earning anything tor him} ho had pawned It all tos numbor of bankers In the city; perhaps the Judge will remem- ber it "better than I, for' this was on the morniug that I haye spoken of, or at the accond interview which we biad towother with Mr. llnlv:fi. flo submitted asworn statement, clther in the form of an afMdavit or of a petl- tion, which I ean't distinctly say, but J know positively It was o sworn statement made by him, nnd I think it wasin his own hundwriting, in which he sct out all his nsacts and his Habili- tiea: nud tho atatement stiowed that the Habili- tles largely overbalanced his nssets, 1 will say again thut [am not certain whether he sub- mitted that on the morning of the first futer- vicw of which I have spoken, or at the secotd, which enaucd on the day succeeding, of which 1 shall apeak very soon. Now, toshow the suxlaty 1had sbout this matter, I weat in thealtornooly to Mr. Hibbard, the Reglster in Bankruptey, [ know that the Judge certalnly had no Intentlon of dolng the least to the prejudice of either my own reputation or the creditors of tho bank- rupt; but he being a very much older man than 1, 1 belug, compuratively speaking, at that time a very young member of the Bar bere fn the ¢ity, Never havioz had an extensive practice before the Judge, I naturaily ap with much greater ditlldence than I would mau like Mr, Hibbard, with whom I camo ale mont {o dally contact. “The Chalrinan—Wlo was Mr, Hitbardt Mr, Vocke—~The Reglster in Bankruptey here fn this city. 1 went 10 him snd told hfm thue [ wished Le would be kinid snough to go to the Judee und a4k him to do ail f{n bis power to make Mr. Heslvg pay: ho ought to be com- pelled to pay overy cent 1f this were my own rivate matier I might exercise lenlency with hlm, but thut it was utterly impossible Ior me tado the least thing; my own roputation was ut stako 0 the matter, Mr, Iibbard told e thut 1need not feal nor borrow the least trouble about it; ho knew the Juilge too well, aud he kucw thut the Judge would not allow Mr. Iiesing to escape tho ilability which he owed to Ihe.bnnkrun!. estate; a0 Lallowed the mattorto rest. TIHE NEXT INTERVIEW, On the nest day I vrepared this roport, In which I stated that Mr, Healog was Insolvent; that T was satisfied of his insolvency; avd in the afterncon I submitted it to the Judge, Mr. Heslag was there agaln, not by my appolat- ment. I pever had any appointment with him to appear before the Judge with me, [ sub- mitted iy report to the Judge; the Judge read it, and asked me what my policy was in the matter, 1told bim [ had no paliey to recom- mend, and my partuer, who appeared then for Mr, Heslog,—be had come 1o, I belleve, with Mr, Uesing,—submitted to the Judws a draft of an order, which the Judge then signed; and thereupon 18 went luto the Clerk's oftice, I do nut know who brought it there. “Ihe Chalrman—\Yhat was that order) Mr. Yocke—That fs the order directing me to sell st private sale. Iremoimber this, that the Judze bad a long conversation with my partner in reterence to the feasibllity or the expedieucy of having the sale made (o this way; und, when Judgy became satlsfled Lbat it was tue proper thing {n this particular case 1o do, the order was signed directing me to sell, 1t read: % The As- slgnee having this day inade apolication for in- structions as to the maticrs of the cluiin of the Slaats-Zetuny Company agalost Aothony C. Hesiog, und the Court hayving fully consldered the matter, it 1 bereby ondered und directed that the Aufl:uee do offer the notes und fudebt- eduess of the sald Ilesing, and the stock of the Lillools Stsats-Zeitung Company deposited to securo the suwme, at a private sale, to persous dealng in sald notes uwd sscurities fu the city of Culcato, s to sell the samo to the person wuliuyg the highest und best bid therefor, o cash, firat reporting Uw amount of the sald bids to thiy Court; uud Le will not deliver sald notes aud collateral untll the said salo snall be con- finued v Court.” s ‘I'ie Chiatrman—\Yho prepared that order? Mr, Vorke—That, 1 belicve, was prepared by y partuer. . The Chairinan—\What is his name? Mr. Vocke—tien. Joseph B, Leake, Mr. Guudy—ile scting at thattlmae as his attoroeyt Ar. Vocke=Yes, sur 1t was preparcd witbous | ifMiculty to make ft clear to them that Mr. fesing coulq neither help himsell nor any of the others, Finally they patd up within the time from the Mr. Hes- ing came to me ropeatedly, and {nsisted that T He insisted that 1 should try aml MEF him to get a reduction of him { could not aid him to I sald that to him re- nak Ha became somewhal On the 0th of April I happened to be in Jndge Blodgett's chamber, and met Mr. Hesing there. Whether be had been n there befors me or camo My better recollec- tion fs that he came in shortly after me—that I think Mr. fib- bard was there too [to Judee Blodgett}-—was Mr. Yocke—It may bo that we three were atone. M. Hesing at once addressed the Judge, wml started out {n along, pitlful appeatns to Judement would not sfeld” ansthing to the that he was so cmbarrassed that not any particle of bis property was free from {ncumbrance; that utmost to be realized at. & sale of the stock ndgment fn the least avall the As- o mada the statement in qitite & dra- matie way, with n faltering volce, and greatly nbject; explaining to the Judge how fearfully iove ho sald, of 8155,000 or 200,000, nud that d the Court every opportus ity to ascertalu if ho had anything out of which After the Judge had lstened to him with con- 8 18 very strone {n my mind) that I conld not ake any proposition at all in the matters that apuaking him to aid me in this matter, exprassing to bim - owledge. Taid not know pose my partner had come until l‘v::;v“)g“ s mit t‘:uu“%n‘!’cr }o ,(lmlJmlzc. nnd hcur: w’ ak with the Judee {n refere N ency oravine bt * "™ 0 the ey udge Blodgett—You will was o kind of discussion an to_ the oy, S which thero aecuriics abould bo o) o by r. Yocke—Yes, air; thnt wae first interview which wa Tinal, ik thik, Sib Judge Blodgett—The day beforey Mr, Vocke—The day before. Thag g me; [ remember exactly what was pajq i e eronce Lo that, The Judea did. no; iy ™ course) anvthing 88 to tho securities | "p,!F againat this debior or that ‘obiors wk the Judge had been informed what 1 gig |0 against Mr. Hesing, he asked the queation o the stock was worth. 1 sakt I was a sto.k, 5 myself, and I consldered the atocl o oHer because It was paging llberal q.fi'“' Par, Hesing at once broke hdendy e va ol e " s h [ ue of mn: QLFQ'}( o he management of the Directors; thy could mako the stock very valuahye, weg o7 also deprive It of every cent of vajye, ]f““"’ man shold attembt to got Into the pager wp the Directors did not llke—(lam ot pregeqn that unfortuante condition, genticmery Cki could freeze_bim out by the hrocess m,f,,“"’ sald, Tus TRINUNS had ahortly befors 4ot pursued, by voting to the officers largo sylygjer: that the Company was a close corpo, 4] it was simply a tamily aflar; they couty t tiing get the profita 8 absorhed And redunedl! h: declare m:lmflgelndu at 1}1‘ Thatls, | hf‘lx:v:' ic sum aud substance. Ife st AL with conslderable vetiemanca, ated thatwig udge ludzef 0 ‘on wlmlllmr at t‘me ?1( ‘l‘lm In’l’rnlflficfl}l’? ucstion as to whotlicr this w t ll‘l;l -%,nufnc ;’nlcl 2.3 ould by ar. ‘ocke—Yes; w my wl about that, Mr. Healng referrel to"'fi.!?:,{"’, bis having been once Sheni(T of this county, g of having roino experlence in these matter; v that he knew that very valusblo papery o papers dected -very vValuable, wers of.c slaughtered at such sales, becauso thire way o) attendanee, and 10 party'paid any attenties 2 such publlc sales. He fusisted, and ho gays lh‘: Judze und me the most positive il solemn g, surance, that if the stock were rold at prirgy eale it would realize very much niore mm.‘ could posinly get were ft” offured ar |1utrllcme or ware it placed in the handn of (e St M{odeslru was to get rid of the thing, and gy into the hands of the Marshal, becaue my rely, tion to Mr. Hesing hod been very {riendly, an| 1 kiaw that I ho wore allordcd e leant onpar. unity to eet out of any share of tl lhgluldéwvcr hejl\r l‘;:cdynt oxlflll. at by, ¢ My, Couper—Ans e order was ¢ cordinglyl eitdiy Mr. Vocke—The order was cntered on ity nc‘x‘l u(‘i:;o \Vas the Oth of Me. per—-iVas the 6th of Apriithe finy “time vou ever talked with dud, tuls Ieatugr matterl so Diolcetintny Mr. Vocke—That was the first time. ‘The witness further ssfd that the notes cop. alned a power of attorney to confesa judgment 1 wers over duo. i wos gresily embar. rassed by this matter, nnd bmF nended wholly o sl € Wiy iog aay, through & season of _greater anxy lnufir Fiad ety than six weeks that Mr. Hesing lnhm-ml'v and m'fl{’.’fi that he should relieve him, und ho just and as earnestly told Mr, teaslng duul:::'n[m not and would not, The great desire that ty had was to got it [nto the hands of the Marghy) in order to show cyery oo of the others why had pafd his lability that he was acting fn per. fectly good falth towards all of them, as wellp towards the bankrupt's creditors, e didnot coter up judgment azainst Mr. Hesing befure the Tth of April, because Mr. Hesing told bim over and over ugain that ho would refer th matter to the Court, 1o did not aay bis b seen Judee Blodeett, IHo safd he would have his nttorucy, Uen. Leake, rofer the matter tothe Court inthe opdinary wav by petition, Thy other stockholders, ‘tluck wuid Logwenthal, would havo taken time on thelr notes too If Le would Liave given it to them. Thot is, It wasy matter embarresaing thesa people, all respects. ble people, very mreatly, AMr. Louwentbal wa ot that time Prosident of & bank. Iejaldhis indebtedness by glving nie a bank-boox n hits own bank.” I charzed myself with the money upon my cash-book, atid tuld Mr. Loewen- thol that I would allow him to Keep the moner Just aslong as Ldld not need {t. 1 went to Judge modfi:lt and told him how greatly thes peopla would be embarrassed 1t they were come pelled to pav instantly over into the deposttory, and the Judgu told me that, of course, I shoal treat those intters as L would mv own, in the futurest of mysclf as well as the creditors.” *¢Did you on the 1st of February report all these In your eworn report as Assignes as prd on the 1at of Februaryt” “The cash-book will show cxzactly. Those reports aro simply coples. Here, for Instane [referring to the bovk],, Mr. Locwenthal gire mo ou the 11th of February a prss-book {1 bit pank—the International—crediting mo a8 & depositor with 818,100, and told me thstbs could not pay the moncy Instantly over, and ke should ltke me to keep the money in Lis baok until I needed It;-and I took it upon my ovo responsibllity, Now, 1 shoula have beco th loser of course. 1 eutercd It unon iy repurtto the Court at the end of the month of Februsty, and took tho money out of Mr, Loewer thal's bank, think, subscqueat to the meoting of the _ creditors, That 18 my best fmpression. With several other: Aucust Bauer, for [nstance,—I exteud sinnlar lenloncy to bin. He was alsosds positor, and, I beliove, a stockholder [n the I ternational Bank, b3 Mr. Lapbam—You fnalvidually took ikt promise of the bank as w0 much monev. 4 Exactly. 1 believe the Judge will remen- ber that I told bim that it was very hard o1 these men to pay that monoy instantly, und ke told mae to treat tiat matter “exactly as [ woull £ it was my own; that s, If [ thought it sale and that there would be uo risk in dufug so." DELAY IN IIESING'S CASE. Col. Cooper—What Is the date of the cinular letter you sent to tne stockholders! “'The 20tk of January.” 4Yon bad heard in Docember previous thst this declslon of the Bupreme Court lod beea made aflrming tha judgment of the Coott pelow " * L had a telegram from my attorneys, Boseo thal & Peoce, on the28d of December, butl could not sot upon that—beforo § had some ofticial announcement of the decislon.” 3 @ By the 20th of January you had the officlsl announcement!” As soon s I had it, 1 circulated this letter” 4 Did ft take untll the 20th of January toget 8 procedendo from the Bupreme Courtof ibs United Statest” “lam suro that within twenty-four hourt after 1 hud recelved the olllcial unnouncetct through iy sttoroeys I clrealated this letter Witness referred to & Gormau_letter in his kel er-presa copy-book, which he had writtentos ockholder,—**a friendly note.” 1o “Bomo of tho stockhuidora did not pay Wiu Vlio were they " & “'There was Flurahelm, Mayer, Albert Pich Koukel." and . “That still doesn’t anawer wy fiunllnn. to my satisfaction at least,—why you didu't eotet up judgment szainst Mr. Hestuz as » debt this estate, deslriug to rid {uunell, us you sl of the embarrassinent which you were under ot account of the relstions wiach you » bim. Why didn't you do jt1" +1 didu’t think two or threo mootbs jo & ter ot $10,000 or $20,000 wus any unressons! tme, ‘Lhesutering upof & judgriant |y 8 soe what gerlous atter. 1 insfated that 1 wouldd2 1t in Mr, Hesing’s case If he didn't pay up. o 4 Why did you not do It finally, [natead making this separats application to the Court o the 7th of April 41 think { have expluined that on the mor: {ug on which Mr, Heslug camefuto the Judze roum while [ was thergm—" i +{What I waut to ask you, dr. Vocke, Is (bl Whetner or not.you fiu.;l o eater up 18} judginent agalnst Mr. Hestug in congequet ’nmnulun- or directions eivcn you by Judse Blodgett” o w1 will say to what extent I was [ntimst or directed by Judge Blodgett, Aw 1 have i ready statod, after I told nlm (the Judge) that was obliged, as 8 matter of good falts to¥d% il thie pastis interested fy this sffair, tosp;¥ for judgment, the Judge? having heard b’; Healog's statemont thoughe it nilght ot Judicious 1o proceed in tiat way.” Huw do you know he thought soi'" 4l “ilesald 40, Thy Judge sald substantially in thls way: It would not ba for the bevett v the creditors of thu bankrupt to chuse fll:‘fl‘ vhantom instead of giviug them somet ::‘ :‘ubitnm-'l’ al once, iu order to wiuduy Jomusvy. " Ntw.y Mr, Vocke, you could bave enle;'.ed\l’ ]ud;"nn:ut o these notes, could you uotd e, “Of course.” . o **‘Thien you would also have had e lien, 8007 ing tu the law of this Btate, upen all mn’m estate which Mr. §leslui owned' Lere, und £ ubtatned au cxecution and put it fu the "hm of the Marshul, und you would then sl had & further llen upon all the porsuual 9% erty be ownedi X waditon to wat uld_bate U u on af, you wol bad these 170 sbares of thls dliluols St Zetuny Compauy 16 fall by epond? WY ia, oir! iy m::\,’o.WI want to kuow why you ¢ido't 0 * Because the Judge, as well as [, m\uul‘:rl 0 the conctualon that it would baye takeo 87