Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, May 17, 1876, Page 1

VOLUME 30. DIAMONDST ~ DIAMONDS! GRAND DIAMOND SALE! At 61 WASHINGTON-ST., THIS MORNING, at 11 o'clock. $50,000 Worth of Gems To be sold by Catalogue. Seats for Ladies. Sale Peromptory. p ELISON, POMEROY & CO., Auctioneors. Mr. J. H. FRENCH will conduct the sale. e S —— REHNM. He Appears on the Stand - at Last, And Reveals the Inner Se- crets of the Whisky- Ring. How Hesing Tempted Him, and He Fell from Grace. What He Paid Irvin, Ward, Wads- worthy Munn, and Bridges, Col. Ingorsoll Subjects the Wit- ness to a Rigorous Cross- Examination, FINANOIAL. - SULKS, G\ ’ His Conferences with Munn at STATE His Office and at Burke's SAVINGS i ’ | . Rehm’s R H:t:: to Plead e 8 esolution en INSTITUTION. | E%eld, Leiter |™ iy rrn Iimnmunity. $500,000 CAPTTAL, I . & Co & $110,000 SURPLUS. 4 » ; SoTiete tepa e Sabn [ STATE & WAIHINGTONSTR, | Slaking-Tp the Orocked Orag o abary and et of Juin Al teposts | Have This Day placed o sale AR ranglson m&m{&%r&‘e ot Ty of & Tmonth a Choice Lot of MURN'S TRIAL. THE SMALL FRY. ADOLPH MUBLLER. ‘The Manx trial was resumed yesterday morne Ing shortly after 10 o'clock, after o fow clvil mo- tiona had boen taken up and disposed of. Adolph Mueller first took the stand. He had on a uew summer sult of light gray stuff, his halr had recelved the finishing touches, and his genoral appearance betokened easo and sang frold, o teatificd as follows: I havo been a swrery o+ tlolored Gros ~Grain Nilks AT $1 PER YARD ! - VAULTS % Of the Btats Baviugs Institution were built for the acoommodation of the Business Men snd Bankers of Ohioago and tho Northwest. |- They are roof_snd Burglar-Proof. gfl&wfluw 18069; first gauged for Covert and noy, Dismonds, Honds, Deeds, Ouin, " man; wos then at other houscs; about all E"un& Mverwass, Wills, snd ofhot valua; Richly worth at present rages | yoine; x whisky was mado g4 all of them .egm:y.:' anrfi T R Vana taantoed | $1.25, embracing the most | teom Nov. 1,180 While T was st Miller & 16 Ia Roed’s they got away with the surplus, and ran some extra mashes. They took spirita from the clsternroom, without the tax belng pald, sbout twioe o week, taking perhaps 40 barrels a week. Thoy were removed io tho dayttme. A$ the Chicago Alcohol ‘Works the same thing was done, erd duplicata stampa wore used, At Russell’s they got ont 80 barrcls a weelk. At tho Illinols they took oat 160 barrels in twe months, by means af dupli- cato stamps. I was st Mercerau's two or thres times, About 23 barrels of crooked were made o week. I was ad the Lako Shore threo montbs; 40 or G0 barrels of illicdt whisky a week wero mado there. Was also st the South Branch; wo didn’t do.much thers. Powell saw bofore ™D, . SPENCER, Prost. | 2 pgpmgmn o I FASHIONABLE SHADES GEO. C. COOK, Mau'gr Safety Vaults. __‘ p . i In Nawvy, Stecl, Napoleon, and Plaén Blues, Darl: Greens, n nF fl Drabs, Slate, Seal B 5 i "1 Pluns, &c., &c., to which |‘ VT they invite ~JRUST EARLY INSPECTION. ; (corromaATED). " 121 & 123 Dearborn-st., Chicago. Loans negotiated with dispatch on Real Estats in Thicago, and Improved suburbs, at lowest current T = tho rest that gomo ono wus coming from Wash- ntes. 8, CORNING JUDD, Prestdont. INESS CHANCES, fngton. Bofors ho got ecared he took out 80 or E. P, HOLLISTER, Gen'l Managor. RARE 40 barrcls » week. Iam sequainted with Munn; 1IENRY J. GOODRICH, Becrotary. 7 PER CENT. ‘WQ offer 8100,000, In one or four loans, on first~ thss busincas proporty, at SEVEN por cent. maller loana mode BB FRdD, v oN Por cenl SCUDDER & MASON, 107-100 Dearborn-st. “MONEY T0 be camo hero In the winter of 1874, T think. CROBS-EXAMINATION, T am famfltarly called Bummel Miler. T com- menced: boing erooked at Covert & Pablman's; wo did some little business there. Maybe I got down thero $10 » week; wu only did a litle busincss there. Onen aversge, I didu’t make verv much a month; didn’t have to divide with Mr. Rehm. At somo houses I got $3 aud ot others $2.80 o barrel; they pald what they ed. X supposc I got £500 & month some- mee, butvery often wo lay idle for o fw months, 1 weat to Sapervisor Mattliews when I found ont wis going Lo be canghty sud T foid bim all © knew abont It 1 saw the dlstlllers wero give ing tho Gangers ond. Gtorckeepers sway, and T'fhougha T (ol ‘sl T know: ehra' $210 ‘me Td be brought berore the Grand Jary In November, buf 1 waen't, and I'm glad of It.” We fixed np the houso when we pot notice that somo- body wes coming from Washington. The places then Jootted all right, and we wouldn't may fl:efi wore croaked; thu books showed everything af rigit, “1f the ofiicer looked-at the barrols pretty close he coald periiaps find out that they had been goed agaln: I ho hud found it out and accased me, 1 would have told him he waa right. 1 am sorry I ever commenced th Business Opportamity. ;. The Subseriber Invites proposals for the entire Stock of Dry Goods of the late Firm of Shay, French ‘& Co., 84 and 86 State-st. The Stock is mostl{ of rocent purchase, is well selected, new styles, and clean, and the location A 1 for a first-class trade. e TO LOAN Teal estata In chlu&ooarn de Park in suma of 5 $700, 81,000, 81, and Iarger sums , $000, uit. Money here, Can close at onco. TURNER & BOND, 102 Washington-at. . CIGARS, HIGH LIFE. BEGALIA PAVOURITA FLOB FINA + A mare opportunity is offered any-one desiring to purchase: |J._IRVING PEARCE, Assimes PIANOS, We Beg to Call the Attention of Purchasers to purpresent extensive amortmont of Planos, whioh In 2041110 10 U WA SOCK oF Lo O¥eF AmALARTonw 18 bnsiness, " We made reports ment's bands, and [ only say the.truth, PHIL A. HOYNE, United States Commlissioner, was next called. He had known Mann for oight or ten years. Mostof the timo Munu's ofice was No. 71'In tho Custom- onse, e nsed to come here bofore he removed to Chicago, and would stay two or threo wooks time, Beldgeaand Col. Almond wers his subo nates, Col, Infinmll—md ou ever conapire with Mr, Juat recaived, avorymonth, bt wo d1d not awear {0 the pay-roila . k for tho last your and & half, T swora to the bost of $18°' PER HUNDRED. 1y knoulolgo it the payoroil was comret.” W 50 to swoar n the monthly report that that woe a ooy all them st RETATG o fotuse, M ; o e Gpuged magha ot awcar o i A an Rozde delaRciua $0. ' ' Heiin do la Futy 3omants & 0., ffi%’%fifi?fl'&fl"{:{yfl%my e o, 20 e s R e ity ogEere, Storo; CoraTartare of avana Clpsrs, al ‘:l‘lflgl‘tfix &fi}?}&?flgf shilp, Yam not Indicted, 1 am in tho Govern- C. FINCHER. GENERAL NOTICES, NOTICH. (ITY TAX DISCOUNTS, J. & C. Our exccptionally favorable arrangoments with the ‘manufacturers whose lnatruments we represent enabies ueto flflcc“l’lu\m durfog the prescnt season at figures so low s to Lo abmolutely wi Ihmllgrfcednnl.ln thismarkes, E&Wo sell npon terms to sull &mf'ffilh'fi(‘w General N, W. Agents for. Stslnways' Bianos, State and Monroo-sta. PAPER CARPETING, Munn to defrand the Uovornment? TIE BAFEST INVESTMENT FOR °YOUR o 1. YONEY 18 IN YOUR OWN TAXES, apcclally % Norno— ot that 1 know u :a-n yon can got a HANDSOME DISCOUNT. Tho PATRICK BURKE, dlerk at Burks' Paper of Chicaga will, at any timo"before May 20, Hotel, was called to_prova the o borrow mm-lpamm owing Clty Real Eatato time of Munn's nmnnho Chicago snd i, visita .";:;:"gl; 5“;« Szgn"hemm%:{t:: dfl;fi'{fim; before that time. Whenhern,llunnlmvfirdnt the ] %0 Ul per cen gt Ana il 1Mo hotel, for four or five days, Jake Rohm called once or twice; he went into his room, On the cross-examination witncssalated that the bookn woald show when Muon was there and all aboutit. Heonly recollected secing Itehm there twico; Munn bad a good many callors, JOUN P. PAYNE, an employe at Police Hendquarters, was then ealled. " 1o sald Jake Rebm had been Superin- tendent of Police, and_wau thore frowm January, 1874, to August, 1875, Witncss) knew Munn, and had secn Muno s Headguarters in Jake's ofilca few timea, bnt could nat Lo positive ne fo any dates. 110 had not secn Mann'thora since Rohm mnnul the owner ks prepared to pay his other "lfi, tder ot m& Hfl:nyar[&:ug m&mn °‘i’{‘=‘,.m'"°°' mptro ;& Soom T Gy Tralh « PROPOSALS., Mo of the County Treasurer, Cook Caunty, 111 Oficaon North Dearbom-at., betwoon Michigan and IHinols-ata. 3 Carooo, May 8, 1876, Senled bids wil borocived g ce u Carpeting : Oramental, Durable, and costs only One-Half a8 much as cheap O} Cloth, Also ‘BARRETT ARNOLD & KINBALL 164 Lake-st., Chicago. 8 the County Treasurar’ nti} 12 o'clock |- loft. Munn came toses Hohni, 3 'n’o%“""‘fi.,"“ 18th inst., for the sale of ffty ZOLINE, 3 On cross-oxamination witness said {at bn saw Fire Bonds, dus May'l, 1802, ~boaring fu- Munn thora, but the numbor of timea wix nut dis- Guiesd per, ceat 16, sembannually, ou tinctin bis'mind, s ovem - f » Follaa National Bank of New York and tnts gfice. 2 5 Unfted B Ler il b pheenn g o York o, 3875, Lontined that b waa s Dnitod tates Ganger trom ZOLINE. t. £ 1873, until May 16, 1875. Wb, 2, 187, Tecelved tor oy Do Txds accordingly. " ids 55 i i Goticn 8 Bastuna (s ook home Doeired for all or cny')wnlnn e bonds, the Witness said tho m{mu wore In hie handwriting, 8 dhopeyarying the righi to acoupt such s’ may . and ba had gaugod the spirits. Lood made tho Méfll:'d rl‘h“"‘"" or reject all ldn.nznvelo ea Ladice eceking Informotion how to starch and report. Nolther Munn nor anybody clae evor sent 300k Caukty ponss gt Do marked *VIGIda TOF, | poor 1o USR ZOLINE will recelvo tustructions and | £oF bl or callod bis attention 1o these threo pacies County Troasurer, ©. 0. P. HOLDEN, ‘TBOS. LO) s 'BO! INERGAN, JOHN HERTING, : JOHN TABO! can sco samples of work by calling at rotafl depot “fi'y'c«l. Ingursoll: Witness sald there would be for Zollno. F. M. WOOD, 230 Wabaah-av. o oceasion to g0 to him for Information abont theso stuba and (bl transaction. vecause Tloods name, and not his own, appeared on the stubs. COL. MATTHREWS BUSINESS OARDS, B. JOHN! ' recall d tostified that Munn biad flve sube Commitiee on Finsnce. = Afinlm?ctficfi'r!x? P et bttt A i i fim‘i‘.‘i‘.fi&mflm ; THE BIG FISH. REIM'S DIRECT BXAMINATION. Wil] l%?mgquggém.qg.[g%eg i When Mr. Aycr called out “ Jacob Rehm ™ n woh‘p.. day. " Liberal dsconnt to garilea. ouo. 3 hash fell on the audicnca n tho court-room. His i plock from 0. & A, P. & FL ~w0u AL & 1 wor Alleys, Bldew: appearance was tho featura of the trial, and ho ndu:rz‘ B{m]:a_ from & .O)I‘L ca'hf&;‘ D { 5 Roaper Hlock, cor. Slar socmed to bo awaro ot 18, - Ho was as cool as ‘ind Wi are invited, e e anbody ever saw him, and withont tho feast ‘p, P, W, GATRS, Propdetor. 7 troce of pervousness or excitement. His exami- o magyye 1] make and farnish the bost engiz 3 nation wus conducted s follows: nlgthlma‘:n the West. _Bend for elrcular, | % 2 W, GATES' SONB & CO., Eagle Works: » Q.—Mr. Rem, bow long bave you lived in Chicogo! A,—About thirty-five years. MAPLE SUGAIL, Q.—How old wers you when you came to the M“‘-*WW YAPLE SUGAR, Cheap, &1 (1 014 Stand, o, 100 Warket-s1, near Modisom. JETTINE, dty! A.~About 11, I guess. g svers ":,':’,f.f!‘..‘z‘}." Q.~In what b:x‘l?:‘:::::::‘y’;u engaged up to MARLE SYRUP 1 Bloss to ladis 18578 A.—I camo hero first; then we moved to 5 ] . chlidz-lfi‘gl‘lggm.fl‘g“‘ nul’ng':ucknunltfi bad & l§n|: ‘lhhera. and then 'dtred JETTINE, | came buck. ove team ‘out there. “‘“rl‘: 'fllnflm%vram“non%:n .&.w : and "i%r nffig per. Q.—When did you first become connected O.TAT 7 {nfortorsrticte, Bald by aft Drgss S0t biares® | WIth the polics force of this city! *A.—In 1851, : MWMM- Ty ? i 4 Q- What was yous positiont A.—Foliceman, CHICAGO, WEDNESDAY, MAY 17, 1876. Q.—Tlow long Ak you serve sa a policemant | Q.—Wanitin a privsie room? A.—It wos bis Av=t octed Toom that he occapied. (knl'r:li:!':;:c'f’.n HIER T el Brroet .fai‘:;o\:hhlumn\ tbe day, about? A.—In tho =) n, wisiorey |88 (U yom tervs hu Buroet o 9 ~ilofre oraftor yon had bem down ¢ the Q.~What position Jia you then occapy? A, | “7y it | s L ervekery, 1wan appotnted foreiman of tho Board of | grorey A,y es st Publlc Works. peve ; 4 yon afterwarde continne to divide this m%ney bet-'een the Collector and Bridgea! A.—1 kept right on, —eame as 1 did before. .—How long did serve theroel A.~TM1 ?'lennuexp?rgl. 1%"1'. then made City Mar- 2l A . ~Dld you hear any further complalnt | .—How loug dld you servo e City Marshal? | from Mr, Mzm-'“:-l‘-flu.r ) gl Y et CEpiteD, 2 ~Diahoat any time’ give you any directions ko Vhen wero gouclectod ity Marshal—tn { 88 {35800 Ton shonid g} A 2Oy [ this may, searl A—GT. Tatd detore. Q.—~When r term explred, what&lld yoo . —How long 418 8 ake theso P dofog! A~ weat (o "work 1n LI | prdimenaro a2 it ’X','-fi':'l'}n','n":fv%_'fnm they ey, came 10 me np to May~Gth of Moy, 1870 —~ITow long did yon remain there? A.—Iwan . —\What th t of 1l it ent e S R e U o ;n% It AL te smount of the last paymy A —The Inst payment wwas the Motropolitan law In 186L for two months, —$2, 600 to $2, 700. ~DId you Join the forco at that time? A.~f Q,-Wh{ were they so ruch larzer ot that perfod a3 eppotited Doputy Buperintendent. than they hiad been efore? A.—ficcanze ‘the dis- Q. ~1low long did you remain Deputy Suporin: | tillcrs [t mora daring the last halt. tendent? A.—[did not remsin very long. fwent | Q.—How longdid you continne th make these back to work for Lill. payments to Irvin? A.—During hialifo, Q.—D!d you resignt A.—Yen, str; I rosigned. .—tow often, while yon were Rupetintend- 3 —How'long did you tontinae working for Lill | entof Police, between sop(emtnr. ls7§ ’n’fux Octo- afior your resignation? A.—I remained there for ber, 1875, did Mr. Ao r:‘nx:lt'd. {hf .1‘1 fid back—got ma appolnted MUEN CALL, ON YOU endent of Polico, at yonr headquarters? A.—I conldn't atate the m;g;xg:lnwlmd Yol A.~Tte Polico Com- | Rusdier of Himes Munn snid ridyen same oties e SR and Mnun came slone. 1 talked more with Bridges nted Saperintendent? | than with Mnu, AT munt have boen o 1612, Q. . llow long dId you sexvs es Supertutendent | 1 bizes i i want A —mot eemancTyTomEed of Volical” A, corved six months. 1 gaces that Syt A i shuety, Ll was all. ~\What did you then dot A.--T resigned, and I A, oy It mustbe ona rough eatimate botween $40,000 and $45, 000, more of lcas; I can't ewear. —1ild you ever poy snly money dircctly to Mr. Munn? A.—Once : —H{ow long did you remaln with LT A.—In D state the el tances. A.—That was }‘m Nll;u elected County Tresaurcr, and served IQ' TH70 M, Dridgen oot camt 1o mo (o my 3 mld they were over to Junker's, and they found some barrels without any stamps on them. Munu was very excited about if for fear the man would tali about It In the rectifying-houre, and he wanted me to go and eoe him. "I rald there wasn't 8ny use of my going 1o seo him. Iiceaid *‘yon'd beiter tell Junker to come over and sce me.” Finally I saw Munn himsclt in his ofiice Ill)«nulrs hero, and told Lim sboat it. Tfe enid, ** It looks bad, and Iam afraid they will talk aboutit.* I told Mr. Janker and he fald we'd better glve bim ~After your term Il what then? A~ l!(‘fi‘ mmnlnlzlvwflh Hnl;l‘d\"mtll 1805. Then 1 started a brewery b{ myself on the Weat Blde, Q.—How long did you operate that brewery? A.—It must have been about two years, Q.—~Did you aftersards go back o the police forcet A.—1dId in 1868, —In Febrnaty. ! appoluted yon?! A.—Tho Commis- sloners. Q.—To what place? A.—Supcrintendent. 2 —How long did yon_serve then as Buperin. 5 tendent of Polica? A-_Up o the summer Or fal | Gome mONEY. Tihioie Liol him he conid give of 1808, o a,-—v{hnhud yon then do? A.—T rmi"nnd. J;ma. Taent for Munn and gave it tobhim in - —What did ou go ta doingt A.—bidnt do | ™%°T55.0 stk did yon have shen you gave it to suything forx while, Bt A e arked meif Bo was T teh) Bridges cre you afterwards copnected with tho pollce forcor’ A—Yea, sir, Z\Chent ‘X, —in 1875, —Then, from the time yon resigned in 1 o ware not conocted with the police. force unt) O nted to ts pol o] whom were yon 8 Intes 8 polico fore In 10T Acry the Hayor: Z¥hiat Mayort. A.—Mayor Colvin, What mo in 16731 A/—~December, of it. 1pald, '‘Youcan doas you want to about that. ™ Heeald he guessed he wouldn't tell Bridges aboat that, * Q.—DId you have sny talk In regard tothe Janker mallt:r! A =No, slr. o was entisficd with the matter, ~—Did yon tell bim where the money came flnq;\fl—fln yv.xplnnn(lnn about the nlfl&r" A.—1 told him the money came from Junker, of coursc. —tiow long did you' serrs as_ Buperintendent || g3y 7124 1% the only mones you ever pald him Shnolent, Al hink L resimed Ot 1 Tee. | @ onet manlin AL Tn 7, tho lnttr part ; T s, al sl aor maniad me to xe ©f March or the fiest part of April. Q.—Do you know when e cime to Chicago to Tivo? A.—T couldn't tell that. Q.—1}1d ho ever make nny application to you to - ABSIST JUIM IN DUYING A HOUSD— anything of the sort? A.—Ves; I took him over to the North Bide In m;"‘hur\!:y. one murning. 1 eald I knew of a housn. ¥ie went over but dldn't buy it. Tl bonght on the West Gide, oL When was that? A.—1 conldn’t tell the late. (3.—ncw were these payments made to Trvin and Bridges—in checks or currency? A.—In cur- rene: d the tirat pars of the summer, but remalned & whilo, “This was in 1675, Q.~Then you remained Buperintsndent nearly tw0 years,—from December, 1873, to October, 1875, and then resigned ! Did you'held any pub- licofiice in this cily from the lat of Jaunary, 1872, to the time you were sppotnted Superintend- ent of Police in Décember, 1843 1 _A.—No, sir. Q.—lave you held sny publizomice aluco you ro- elgned in Oclober, 18757 “A.—No, sir, MALT. A Q.—Aro you engoged in the malt business tn this CINYT Ar¥en s —When did you catablish the bustness—how long have you bocn engaged iu it? A.—Since 1H0D, Q.—How Iarge a business have you carricd on? A.=Protty largy biuslueds, about ae largs us ooy fn |. the city. qh—(mm 18 your plaoe of busincss? A.—Near cl Q.—-Was it tho sume money paid to you by the dletiticrs, or different? Quention objected to on tho ground of Irrelevan- cy. Objection overruled. A.—It waa not the same money, T doposited the money sometimes, snd drew it ‘out when Bridges urn avenue bridge. e Abawt what period the (a1 3 . —About what were these moneys pal 3. Wil you siate o the Court aad fury whet Phe g st bt TIRhE owray: knowledge you have In regard to the . MANUFACTURE OF ILLICIT WHISKX 1n this city sinco the from the et to the Gth of the month. car 1672 what conmection Q.—Regularly? A —Sometimes the distlileries stopped; Fegniarly when any mancy wan pald. on havo “had with that business, and how yoa .p—m""halg:nnn{fllnn did you ?:’n-o. v‘ihzr taan st bocame conuected with 11, and'all the clreum- | nfk, 1f any? A.—T used stances atiending 117 A.—I don't know anything TO BELL THEM MALT. . —Whnt woa the extent of your transactions with them In mall? A.—Wo s0ld moatof them T o it of procaring ass) . —Were you fn the habit of ring assipn- merita of Blofokeepers and Gaugers for these dis: tillerlesy A, =1 waa, . —How did you do that? A,—I done that with d change ng Noctor. o about the manufacture. Some time In the fall of 1672, poma of the distillcrs—1 don't remember just which one—complained that_certaln distilicrs wero rumning crogked—stcaling whisky—snd wented me tosee Irvin If I could not got the oflicer changed, They all anid, ** You know Irvin well, aud you ought (o do It.” Twent to Nr. Irvin, who was then Collector, and told him, and be di this man from that distillcry . Were you i tho habit of sending around In- S rom what disilecy? A.—~Tho Blackbaw, formation w’lzm dlstier i any 'mifr‘.d revenne —\Whowas the mant A.—Adolph Macller, | SHCIal from abroad was cxpec TR A&' il LR P Wwe was notifled of it. Q.—DBy whom were you notificd of thoee intend- ed vialts? A.—Sometimea by the Collector; mostly by Dridges, MR DRSING CAME TOME and wanted o know why I dill that. 1 told him tuat I understood there was nen]lnF and {t ought to Q.—Doyon know whether Munn and Bridges oc- bemflml To sald to me Tought olctllpan‘!u cupicd the same oficot A.—Theoy were together e hiad his notes out forrome £30,000 and wanted to | always hero. . t out of it. 1ealdldidn't think it conid be dona. Q.=Do yon know whether they wero very lntl~ fl'u sald: '*You'd better ace Irvin aboat it and tell | mate? A.~1 took it to be thot they were, 7 him.” Teaw Irvin and told Wm.., Hosaild to me Q.—How often.was Alr. Mono in the habit of via? 1¢ he should do anything wrong ho muet ba paid for | fting Chi before he came here to reside? A.— it. T wont back and told Hesing It was all right if wo a1d nim, and we agrecd to pay bim $600 a month. Front back and told. Trvis, "and bo said It waa. i right. They put another 'man fn the place, and went right on, as I learned afterwards, —Who pald 1hia money? “A.—llesing. \—ilow much & monthf A.—8500, . —What did you do with tbe money? A.—Iguve 10 Mr. Irvin. Q.—Just proceed and state in order all the facts, Mr. Relim, within your knowledge in rlation to thls whole'subject.” A.—Affer getting this moncy, others came in; George Millor paid him somo morioy and Heslbg gave i to mo. —How much dfi thoy begin with? A.—8500, IrvIn spoke to me jone day and #aid ** You oughtto GLT DRIVOES AND MUNN INTO THIS THING, 1 am afraid to do it alonc.” 1 eaid, *'1 don't want fospeak to Munn; you'd botter do it your- eeif.” 1o rald it would 'riot Jook welt for him ta doit, and '* You had better speak to bim.™ I saw Brlden, and o catno Fight In, Q.—\Whore did you sce him 1 A.—I saw him—he used to come up In Irvin's ofilce most of the time. Q.—When was It you firat spoke to Bridgos? A.=In1872; In the fall, Q. —What 'did you iy to him? T told him that these men wero willing to pay something, . —Anything said about Munn? A.—Yes, air, . —Just state it. A, —I asked about Mann, and he vatd be would speak Lo him. Afterwards he sald it was all right. Q. —Then what? A,—Tha thing mn along that way antil the fall of 1672, " Dridges eame one day and & Well, T conldn't tell exactlys;, I guess sometimes he stald here for weeks, and sometimens a few dayv, Q.—~Where did you eec him? -A,—Before he camie here to live L aaw him at his ofiice In the Col- lector’s office. D Mr. Ayer—That jsall. THE CROSS-EXAMINATION. INGERAOLL GETS AT HIM. By Mr. Ingersall—\When did you say yon came to Chicagot A.—In 1841, .—When did you first get on the police 7 A, _fi”&“‘m you first gel e pol Q.—What d1d you get o month ¥ A.—Thirty- two dollars a month. Q.—How much were you worth nt that time ¢ A.—T wus not worth much at that time. Q.—How long did you stay on the police ! A. —Untll I was elected a Btrect Commissioner. Q.—What salary did you get as Strect Com- missioner ! A.—None; I was paid on commis- alon, Q.—Abont how muchi A.~Two thousand fve hundred to $3,000 a year., Q.~Tow long were you in that place ! A.— A ycar. . Q.—And then what place did you get? A A place under the city es Superintendent. Q.—Ot what 1 A.—~Works on the street, Q.~IHow much did you get from that a year A.—Flfteen dollars a week. Q.—How long did you hold that place A.— Bometiine about a year and a half, I guess, Q.—Then what place d!d you get 1 A.—Then I was clected Marshal. Q.—What salary did you then gett A.—83,- 000, s MUSN WAB COMPLATNING, and that Muan acted aa If he didn't get enongh, or sumething of that kind, and wanted mo to go and sce him. 1 safd T didn't want to go and ace him mysctf, but he sald, ** Yes; thinkallright,” Sol went and saw him.' T nsked Mnnn what the trou- ble was, and hotold me ha thought Hridges waa not treaung him fairly. I suld T dldn't know anything obout it I ‘told him about how much money Iirldges got,—us near aa I could ro- member, ilo tpought [t over awbile, and It seom- cd to bim as it Bridges playcdsquare with hiw, be- cauno he sccmed (o be satisfiod, and sald, **Go on " aftorwards Q.—When did he toll you that? A.—At thesamo Qe told you togo on snd pay Dridges? A.— e, sir. Q/—What did bo say? A.—T mked him what tho trouble was, —whethor Brldges had not played fair. Mo said e didn't know, but 1t seemed to_ him that ho ‘was mot acting fatr. 1 Trtdges Q.—Hovw long AId you hold that offlce? A. Two years. Q.—Then what did you get? A.—I worked for Mr. Lill. Q.—What did you get from him? A.—§1,500, Q.—Tow long did you work for him? A.—~I worked for him right along, but I had another d b d'{’mb:m 5“3'-‘;"“‘:'2 {tion beald t, snd he seomod to be eatlefic position o, med £ Bim that Tk % moze than bis Share. 1 don't know, bt I supposs that Diridges | Q—Welly about how much wero sou worth **knocked down. e seqmed Lo be satisflcd, and | When you went to work for him? A.—~I canaot said, *‘Goright on. " tell; I had some littlo property. Gi—vun Ll mim vhnt paymenta you had made | T0"_prow mueht Al cannot tell you. I Bridges? A.—I told 84 near as I could Focamieek 1 Know 1 t010 Wi how mueh | pald pita | had sowe property st that time which I had bought cheap, the lant manth or so, but § don't recollect iuw how ) Q.—From what you saved out of ‘your salary? (2 much It was, Q.—lfow long ald you work for Lilll A ASwm. tive yc:gs off n’r'nl on. YQ.—-th! your salary ever get ratsed? A.— r'Q'.'—'lrl'ow much did you got et last! A.—$3, Q.—When did you firat commencs helping steal whiskyl A.—~In18§72, * Q.~What day! A.—I cannot- tell what day. It was sometding tn the full of 1873, RRLATIONS WITI GAMING-IOUSES, Q.—Weru ’yon ever lu partnersbip with a gam- TUE MER WITO DLED. Q.—From what other distillers did you recetvo motey besldcs Miller & Reed and George Millert A:i-Dickennon, Leach & Co., Uulan Copper Dis: {iling Cowmpauy, Parkor It." Maon, “Tabiman & tsh. Q.--Did pou ever rocolve sojthing from the Northwostern? -No, sir. Q. —Anybody connected with it* A, —I recelved mflu n;l;‘nuy ltl:'m‘n "lmh( B nm:‘ad Slulbh‘:m .‘"}( nt:: fall of 1872, about election time o' whethor It was {n conuoction with the North- A.—] —Whatdld yon do with is money, Mr. Tickimt Avik didided I batereen the Shteer: Q. —How did yoa divide It? A.—~1gave Bridges | Dllng-housef A.—No, atr. =] 1 the Oollector. I gave | Q.—DId you ever got any pay from gamblin, e Chilector $1,000. Aad. Dridas $1:000. Ahs | hotlscal - Ar—No, sy i AL ugreement was that the Cotlectr was to got just a8 much o8 the otber two, P Q.—\What portion did you retan ¥ A.~I dlidn't retain suythiog excepting what 1 SPENT IN POLITICS, Q.—Mow much 1. A.—I couldn’, say exactly how wuch, From $3, to $10, 000 [robably. =] 0, —How much were theao payncuts ordinarily | A,—No, sir. ks ldulw allo&m-nd‘nnznm A.—They “q,—umho evergive you any money? A.—No, 500 to $2, 700 » mon . —To euch of thom ? A.—Yoy sir. Q.~Weroyou in partership with sny thieves? ,—DId you ever get any pay from houses of o =] 0 AcDon ever 3 thiiig?_A.—Nola cent. BAY:\Y0% Rop . =Did b A'Q_N";L' l:;'lflfi‘u“ you & check for $30,0001 be aver giva you a check for snytbing? e low did you commonco helplng ateal whisky () —How often wore yon in_$he hablt of secing | A.=No, sir. Mr. Muon when ho canre 1o Chicato 7 A.—Not vo . —Did you ever help any counterfelters for often 88 1 would Bridges. ~ Munuvouldn't be run- | mouey! A.—Nao, sir. nlog after e, § saw bim occaslmally. Q.-—Has M. John C, Hatnes got the papers now? TUB INTERVIEW A.—1 don't know anythiog about that. Q.—DIt you evor have auy talk with Monn mt- soually on thin subject untif the tino you mob him | tn 18721 A.—I'rocelved money froin the distitlers st Burke's Hoted * A.—No, sir. and paid 14 to the ofcers. ., ~\When was the mecting at Dirke'sHotel? A, — Ar. Ayer told you to tell al) you Rnew abont ‘lm\ wx%"r‘:l‘ ‘wag betwoen the 1st and 6ih of Docem- {t. uon‘ You done sat” A, —To the beat of my recol- i ac! . Q.—Aro you able to fix the late {n any way? Q.—You now tell the {nry you have told all you A.—Only in thiz way, ~by 8 busiicss man {n this | know—now rccollect of 1t A.—Yes, city, The vame day Munn sald by wanted to buy Q.—Fave you told ta the jury thi versation 3 aci of cpockory foF hs witu, ancwanted to know | you had witt My, Trvint - Aeer] Rave, trhero 10 go. ['took bim arogod © Mr. Jacgeron | * Q.—All that,you had with him? A.—I had often Wabash avenuo on that day. The dato shows on | conversatious with him. their books. ) Q. —But at the time you frst bought him? A.— - Whero wasthis (ntefviiw o1 that day? A.— Qflnvh‘:m g o N%l_x?: tyo::-ll tho conversation yon had with At Q ~What room? _A.~No % TR SRDUCTION, Q.—Tlow yon got into the husincsay Fere eeduced or ravishod, whatover yg ™ A Mr. Healng? A.—T waa. Pl 2 . —Up 0 that ime vou were perf/ & honest? Yen, 48 far as whinky was concef 5 Q.—A» far a4 whinky wae conce/ S fon wors hongat? "A.—Yes, and anything elsg ‘< —Tle came toyon firat 1o get yof » put & man the Blackhawk Diatlileryt A/ < 3. . —llecaning thero wan stenling § ~ on. Who € g n talk on told you that! A.—It was 'Change. = Q.—1"don't care about Mr. C 77 e: I don't know bim. ~Who told yon t' ¥ iaa steall golng onat o cortain distilly 7 A1 don’ now bot that it was Rusber’ “ oughs,—some of thesgmen. . ‘ Q.—You cannot te}l who it was? A.—No, bat it waa some of the diatillers, Q.—~What did they tell you? A.~They told ma tlat atesling was golng on. Q. ~-What did yon say then? A.~11old them T didn't know. Q.—\Were you shocked about it? A,~T waa not; Tsnppoted thoy were all stealing at the time, —Yon buve no doubt of that? A,—No. “They Mkml'ynu togoto Irvintoput a stop . —Yes, sir, Q. —What time In 1872 was that? A.—It must have been in the fall; I cannot tell exncl!{. Q.—How much did he tell you he would give you tostop it? A.—~He did not make sny offer. THE TALK WITH LRAVIN, . —Ho dld not offer s cent? A.—No, atr. —Then you went to Irvin's efiicet ' A,—Yes. (oDl you find bim at bome?” A. —1 fGand bim n hile oflice. 1 &z hat 0 you tell Wim? - A.—Ttold hlm what ad hear: Q.—Well, what was that; do you recollect the conversationt A.—I told you once before. (. —Well, tell me now. ~ A.—I told him a com- plaint waa made that they were stealing, Q.—What did Mr. Irvin say? A.—lio did not say'much. Tle told mo ho had betfer change the Gsoger, and he did a0, O,.m—'-’hen whatdid you de? A.—I don't know an, ng. —Not Di% you go back and sy yom had #0hpe It and thet there wonld bo o hore stoals fng?” A.—No: I had no busineas to tell that. Q.—Dld you agree with those men to try and #opit? A~ told them 1 would aco what X could Q.— About when did the ltm‘;ter come to_yon In the form of Mr. Hesing! A.—In the fall of 1872 Q.—Whero were you wwhen this aseanit on your virtue wna made by Mr. Hesing? . A.—io sent’ for me, ond I MET AIM IN A DRER-SALOON. Q.—Wi anybody thers cxcepl yon two? A.— Other people were thero. Q. —You sat down in o corner at one side? A.— o on n. Q pHowdid bo commence putting bis bande inta tho bosom of your honeatyt A.—ke sald that he hod afimed papore for Millcr, Q.—Waa that the firat thing? A.—Yes, sir; am e pald if Miller was stopped o could not pay. Q. ~—Ile didn't say anything about Miller having been atopped? A, —I nnderntood him— Q. —Tell ue what Llestng sald; 1 _want to know how he got round yon; yon aro & hard man to get round ¢ “A.—That was all. = d b had put his name on some nates 1 A.—Yen. mhat clso didhe say? A.—He wanted mo to fet NMtiler go along. Q.—Low did he want you to doit? A.—He wanted me to 1x the Colleclor, —What next ?t You had helped Irvin ¥ A.—T nad, a_good deal. Q.—Did you got him sppolnted? A.—I don't tmaw that T did. > Q.—You did all yeu could to get him appolated ¥ .~=Yes, sir. . —DId you think he was an honcst msn ¥ Av— 1 thoukht o at the time. Q.—When (ymx went np there and asked him to #top the steal ln{;. yon thought ho wasan honest man 't did. A.—1 Q.—Then, Hes old you be wanted this steal- ingtogoon? A.—Yes; he wanted it 1o go on, so I-l%mh,'r wonld be ablo to pay Lis Indebtednems. Q. —About that time you were soduced, were you? A.—Yea :‘l‘ —When did yoa go and see Irvin after Hoelng vedaced yout AL—Right away. -What dld s TA}.:('.‘ hi t . —~Wha! ou say to Irvin whep yom wen ln‘r‘ AT told b whet had hnppenu?. Q.--But tell the Jury. We want to know how ouspproached 8 mon whom you {honght was oneat. A.—1 teld him what Heslug had sald. Q. —What did you first 63y ta A. bim just what Mr. Iesing trad sald, Q.~—Well, tell it. What was it Heainganid? A, — ‘That this man wanted the Gaugers todo something, and they wonld pay something for it. Q. —Did you tell'him him how much they would Poy? A.~—Not that time, —But the Qrst tUme you went to bribo him? A,—The first timo I went to him was to cbangu the Goagera. £ ' Q.—DId you tell him then they wouldl give $500 & L monthy AL —Yes. i‘k:-m‘ did he myt A.—[e said, **Al i ! invo you tohd all the ‘converration substan- tially that ypu bad with him thel time? A.—Yes. ir Qg e e Jury st aboct the fime you went in fo bribe him you aupposed him to be an hogest man. A.—Ithought I sbonld tell what had taken ‘place, snd ba mightdo what he had & mind to— Q ~No, io; tell the jury whatyon supposed—— INGERSOLL AND THE COURT. Mr, Aver objected to the question. ‘The Conrt sald the witness need not answer the question; it was not material. Col. Ingursoll thought it was, Ters was a man 'who believed 80-and-so tobe honest. 1t reemed to hin that he had a right to ask how the witness ap- ‘proached this honest man. ‘The Court—Ne doubt you have a right to know that, but the state of his mind—what ho thought at the time a8 to whether Mr, Irvin waa an bonest Im!ln.l or whother Qo could be bribed—is imma- terial, Col, Infivnoll-fle bas told the jury he belloved Irvin an honest man, and here la the way, accord- ln% 1o his statcment, he approached o honest man: **7 will give you 85 month. ™ Tha Court—That is all right for srgument, Col. Ingersall—But 1want & basis for tho argn- ment, The Court—Well, I thiuk the basls ta brosd enough. Tho cross-examination then proceeded. Q. —JTave you told all you safd tohim? A.~Yes. Q. ~Then when did you see tho tcmptef next? A.~Who da you mean by that? Q.—The man who sedaced yon? A.—T saw him two'or three days afterwarda aad told him. Q.—Where did you see bim? A.—I saw hiuat Tile ofice, I think. . —Well, who noxt cama to yon_In tho gales of temipter? A.—I think it was elther GEONOE NURROUGNS OR JUNKER. Q,—Well, what did he aay? A—ILio wanted to pauy fsometblng. .t toll what he satd? y the Court—Who was 1t? A.—Ttwas either George Burroughs or Junker, ' By Col. Ingeraoll--Who wia 1t? Give the best of your Jadgment. Tcanuot gay. Q.—Whoever it was, what did bedo? Ar—Te wanted 10 pay~— Q.—Tellall he sald? A.—I wnsgolngto tellyon, {f you will on)y let me alone, Ho wanted to know 1t fre could not da something in the line of—whisky. stealing,—1 might as well'speak it ont. [l.nnxi- tor.] T'told him that T did not know, bat that 1 wonld sew about It. Q.—Wbat did yon do? A.—Iwent to ree Irvin, and that was the time when Dridges and the others came in, and they agreed to take I, Qipipat alk i you bave with Dridges? A.— T t0id Lim about the same that 1 told Trvin., Q.—And hosald “'Al right™t A.—Yes, sir, TUR PATMENTS. Q.—Towr mnch did the next pay yoz a_month or week! The frat—the Blackhawk—paid you how mocht A.—Ifve hundeed doliars & month, Q.~Who come nest? A.—Threo came right awuy,—George Miller, Burroaghe, and Junker, I gid 'bot got monoy from George Miller, but from ening. §.tow much 410 Mestng pay for bimt A.— Ah*m! $500. ke 5 How much aid Tanker pagt. A, Mo didnat Rax by the montly, nefther dld Dickeénron & Leach. oy agreed 10 pay whenever thoro waa & anrplus; somotimes 1t cainé 1o $508, and sometiimes $000. ey hat proportion of what they wers siealiog aidthey nagd A —1 dou't kuow, Q. —Did 1) !yplzue wmuch s barrel? A.—That the agreemen| . ~How much a barrel? A, —Lesch paid $10, . —Did anybody olse bave the same sgreement? A.~Tha Chicsgo Alcohol Works. . —Who slsc? A, —I guoss that bs al1; the rest of thom patd by the month. . —~Did any of tho Geugers pay you anything? ~No, air. —Notone of thom? A.—No, —Duauro? A.—1 sm suro, sir, ‘They only pald ASSESSMENT AT ELECTIONS, %.—now much wasthe assessment 1 A.—Pifty dollars for somo. Some of this was paid lu thy oflice af the Collactor. lh(!,—llow mony pald it to you? A.—~Two or ree. Q. —What do yon think tho amountwas? A,— They did not pay 1t to we, Miller pald forsome. Q.—low much did Le pay you't A.—I cannot 8, €3y the amount. &}.—Abuuz how much do s 1 A—tlo :r!\lu 1 bavo paid me §700 or § or the three of €. Q.—Whoclse pald you besides Miller? A.—1 think Porto, the Btorokeeper. Q.—What other Storukcepor evor pald anything ¥ —1 canpot tell you now. Iknow thire were soma who came aver thora and pald the assess- meat, and some gnld 1o the Collector, —How much dld Dickonson & Leach pa; you lnall t A.—They did not .pay mo any au amount s was told hera, . —Then he faallart A.—Yes, in that reapect. . ~Ilow much did he Wi you! A, cannot say how wmuch; but I know this much: This thin only lasted two ycars and & half, and I know thal fora long timo they only pald abont $500 600, Besldes, In 1872, lhfl’{ were stopped for three monthe, and in 1874 1 did not gota cens from them o o mach, 1 Judgment, did —W, ow much, In your judgmen they pay yoa? A.~1 don't think i{ would b oves o, _ The Chicago Daily Tribune, ) = oy a 5] = P - 5] a 2 . @ : $18,000t0$25,000. T am sure they it oy -~Then, if heswore he pata_$10, ) 31000 loamient Tt Fat, 10000, -—Are youas surs of that, now, as yon hava 10 tho rent yon hive aworn (o7 K. oof ooy e * i £if ] by figuring up the time they were ronning and the ; amount they pald a month, - Q —Ifow" much did Janker pay for his housa? * A.f:l eAlll::’\ot lrf" you 'n‘,‘f“" L =-About how mnch, in your jndgment? A,— AbGut 322,000, probably. 4 Q.~Tom oricls 2 Jeetos poy yonin ald A.- - . ~How mucl eain on In a - Tdont knows he can tell you, ) . e That1want you to tell. A~ cannot. : —Glve o an fdea. A.—I have no tdca, - ke . =Wl yon swear Lo the jary you have no {dea Breat tora T et ae e cxactly Fight] 2 romet may nof exac . A Stow s ‘gr'x'ngm" lhl’k ho patd ,r i." ~How much do you think ho pald you? A.— He might Lave paid me $10, 000 ot $15, 000, Do yon ! ink he paid yon over 15,0001 A, =l don't think ho did. Mifler paid sltogother, T think, for the Lake Shore Distillery Company:. some elght or ten montha. 1le paid ‘me il tho s money for the Blackhawk in 1874, IS =Siate In your judsment th fafl amouat you : got from htm. ‘A —f don't know how much. s'%.a—oglve your best judgment. A, —It might bo . —Twenty-five thonsand dollars? A.—1 cane - Q@ in he did not gi $25,000. < Will you swear ho did not give you $25, . . A.Q—Nl‘l"fillr’: X won't srear at gl 1’1 o o o) au swear that he notglveyon b 0007 A.—Yon, sir. s on will swear that be did not give you : 000 and won't awenr that ho did not give you 00 A.—No: 1think I can swearto that.” {: ~That e did ot A.- Yos ot B yon swear 10 e nof Ve n $20.5001 & it might have given mo $30,000, Q. —That {a what you.think now? A.—f don't know that he did; he might have given me $25,000, Q. —How much did Gieorre Burrougha givel Ao ol told you alittle while so that 1 thonght I got from 818, 000 Lo 825,000 frum that dlstillery. Q.—WII_you awear you did not get. §30,000 from that distillery. A.—1 will awear that Dur- roughs did not pay me that nmount. Q. —Will yon awear the house did not? A.—Ho, ‘waa the only man who paid me from the house. Vil you ewcar iat ou did -not got that amount? A,—No, sir; 1 will not, 9i—\Who'elec paid jou anytuing? A.—Rush & 11 h dld the ? A,—About ~llow mncl oy on' - uf $8,000 to $1,000. Lk Didp't they pay yon moret A.—Xo, slr. Wit gnu swosr thoy did not pay you over. A.—Yes, alr. What otlier honse patd you? A.—Powell's. Q-—How much did he pay? A—84,000 or; , 000, YQ' —WIili yon swear it was not over that? A,— . e [ Q":—“‘hfl «id ho pay you In, curreacy or checkn?, A.—Currency. Q.—Who ¢lse pald you? A.—I don't know any moro. Q.—Did Gholsen G. Russell?! A.—Parker R.. Mason did, (fi.-—flow much? A.—Seven or cight thousand ann“Wlll 00 AW he did not pa; n ovor , ear no o 20007 A 2110 Ot not, ‘ay me over §10,000. " . o Fhoelzo baid you aosthingt A1 think 0 You hove tald oll that you can think of?’ en. A%y GOVERNMENT OFFICERS, AND WHAT THEY GOT. Q.—Whom did you eay you pald this money outto? Giveusalist of thooncs you pald it to. A.—I pald it to the Collcctor, and Bridges, - and— Q.—~Mann,~—don't forget Munn? A.~I did not pay any to Munn, 2 Q.—Yon didn'ty A.—No. Q.—Well, who clag, leaving him out? A.—1 patd it to the Collectors. Q.—Yes; that {s what you eald to Mr. Ayer, ‘What Collectors? A.—Irvin and Wadsworth, Q—How much did you pay Irvin! A.—Abont " $30,000 or $35,000, Q.—I& Irvin dead? A.—Yes. - Q—Whendid he diel A.—In the fall of 1574 Q.—Were you his execator! A.—I was. Q.—Who succeeded him In the Collector’s office? A.— WADSWORTH, Q.—DId you pay him somethingy A.~Yes, slr. Q.~How much- &id you pay Phillp Wads- worthi A.—Ten or twelve thonsand doltars. - Q—Did you pay him in currcncy or checks? A.—~Currency. * Q~~What conversation did you have with him? It is laughable, isn't {tt [Jake was smiling at this question.] A.—I told him what' was golog on, and {grinniog] asked him if he: ‘wanted to mako any money. . Ho said ** Yes,” amd i yan pay bim nurthing to bind the bar. ] o bin re it Ao, e T Zavo the money o him oa: the firat of the montl. . Q.—Well, after Irvin died the ofiico ran along for’a month before 'hfs sacccssor was appointed. Who got the money then? A.—I gave It 10 . HOTT, ' and the balance Ispent at election times. I gavo tioyt 81. 000, :: 7 . —Then how much did you give Wadaworth at> first? A.~The first gflymom +0 bim was the small- est amount—about $700, = Q.—Where were you when you gawe him that?' n a backroom at bis office.’ Q.—Wns anybody In thero at the time? A.—I' didn't notice shybody. ~ 1lis clerk was in the front. oflice, and when I went fn I.took him Into the back Foomm, =Didheconnt t? A.—Nos o put 1t In bia, odiat, ; ZQ.—WM anybody Collector about thoso daya? Didu't be go Gat? A.~Nat motll after ‘tho: Phil Wadsworth. have mentioned tho culy A.—Ye! Q. welzures, }.—Wero thoso you | teo Collectora you paid? s, alr, Q.—Hloyt,—~you don't call him & Colleetor,—ho wnndnamyv .—Yes, sir. N & Didyon bay any clerks tn the ofice? A~ 0. sir, Q.~DId you buy any Gaugers outside? A.—No, A‘QA-—'rlm|dlut|llm-| made bargains with them? h r. %—- en you entered {nto this business and took this money did you know that all the Gnugers had to make returns? A.—Yes, air; I supposod lh&y Mbdhin make n:mrnlnl. i % .—DId you ¥uppose they had to awear to them ? A.—Idon't know: Inever was in the business, I suppose thoy had. —Dldl{flnanppolo atthe time that this boal.. noss could not be carrfed out except by all the Gnugers and Btorckcepers swearing lica 1 A. That is Q/—Dnt Task you. DI you tnderstand th Bt ask you, ou understand the all fad to swear fien ? Av— supposed. 7. Q.—Plump 1t out, You supposed ‘when you ‘were making the arrangement of $300 o month: from each house that all the Gangers and Storc- keepers wonld Lave to go into the Pe:g:r’ busi- nces 1 (A panse.] Did yoo understand that'y A, — 14dld pol 1nto the perfury business. Q.—DId you undemstand they had to swear lies when they mado their returns ¥ ) No snuwor, Jake shifting about ane Q. —DId you understand the bust ba Carried out axcopt by Laving th ngors and Starekeepers swearlieaf A, —I'tad nothing to do' with that. . —1 didn’t aak yon that. DId yon belfeve the; Bad o o AT AT nappose 4o, z Q.—Did {un at that tlme think that evory diatll ler who eniared into the arrangement woild have to swear liea every Utno ho mado hls roport? A.—, suppose 1 did: Q.—DId you supposo the baokkecper would have to awear licat A.—No, sir: I did not. Q= you suppone the rectilcrs who took crooked whisky and sold it would awear lics? A.— Teuppose so. A - Did yon enppose at hat timo that the Col. lector and his deputy would have to make reports to Wanliington and swoar lies? A.—1 didn't know. You dldn't know how that wast A.—1 didu't know what reporta they had to make. —Did you supposo ut that time, and confidenca y. ‘conld not. have fall that if any suit arosc in which it wonld ome nccesssry for the Gaugers, Storekeepers, dlstillers, and yoursel! tu appest as witncascs, that thoy would all awear lice? A.—N : 1did ot Q.—You did not suppose they woald keep the secret If there wus o case? A,— 5 THAT WAS THEIR DUSINESS, Q.—TWhat did you expect, A, I okl you, 4 1, leten to me, Did you at that time expect that If & cave was commented by the United States agalnat one of the distillors that the Gsugers and. Slorekeepers wonld go on the staud and swear liex® A.—I had no rgason to suppose that, because 1 did i th 1d ltes to . —Did you supposo they would awcar ltes protect you’r A‘-I:? don’t k¥mw. A . —Did you expect it? A.—No, sir; T did not,. . —DId you expect the distillers woutd tell lfes, to kavo your Br. Ayer objected to the witness snewerlng. Cal. Ingersoli—I want to show what kiud of a: contract thls man entored into, “I'bo Court—Ask him thot question, T DETEUMINKD TO BE TRUTIFUL. Q.—Did you QEpoct atthat time if & caso came; op toawear a lle tosave yonrself? A.—No, sir. f“ always expeciod to tell the truth? A. o . —You made ng‘yonr mind when yon went Into this arrapgeimont (hat, if you wero called as s wit- ness, you would swear tho wholo fruth? A,—J. made ulr my mind—— A . —Did you—yes or no. s . Bangs—Lei bim snawer the question! . Col. Ingersoli—1 inalst upon him swearing yhs o7 ?c'!"he Court—Yop cananswer that question, spd Yo, .0