Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, April 2, 1875, Page 2

2 THE CHICAGO RIBUNE BEECHER The Eventful Period of the Trial Arrives at Last, Plymoutl’s Pastor as a Witness _in Ilis Own Bebalfe Ilo Tefuses to Swear, But Consents to Aflirm, Because of Conscientlous Scru- ples Against Kissing a Bible. Io Is Spared This Infliction and Al lowed do Proceed. The Place of His Birth and the Duration of His Courtship. Ile Glot One Wife in Xiali the Time Jacod Took to Giet Two. He Sets the Court-Room in a Roar with Funny Speechen. An Acconnt of Ilis Evangelical and Literary Pcrformances, How Plymouth Ohurch and the “ Christinn Union” Were Built Up. Beecher’s First Acquaintance with Henry C. Bowen. His Early Impressions of the Tiltons=-- Efizabeth's “Littie Pills.” No Alluslon Yet by Beecher to the Chief Issuce of the Trial. Redpeth, However, Recalls the Fact that It Is a Berious Matter, To Him Beecher Made a Rather Signifts cant Admission, Bossfe Tumner's Early History—Further from Mrs, Woodhull, OBSERYATIONS. DESULTORY. THE JAM AND THE LUZZ. Spectal Duspateh to The Chicano Tribune. Drooxryy, April 1.—Tha donsely-crowded cor- ridor aud overtlowing Court-room of to-day re- mindod ovo of an earlier period in the history of tho great trial. 'Tho camp-stouls belongiug to Tlymouth Church were more thau oceupicd, in somo jnstaunces by two porsons. Judge Nollson took his sest quito early, but, in spite of his prosonco, the pulse of tho sudionce bont fovers fuhly, and ovory tonguo whiled away the sus- penso in blind and unroasonable ehattering, Tho promiso of Lvarts to put his distinguished oliont ou the stand was responsible for the bubbling and simmiering of the orowd. Everybody had o thoory to communicate to his poigbbor, aud therefora the tumult was bowfldering. DEECUEL'S MOVEMENTH. Beechor looked to Lo glowiug with health, and genlol, wholosomo, good splrits sparkled in lis bluo eyes, 1o wae dressed in plain black, snd wore & marrow black tio about lus neck. When the family rat down in the usual scats, Beocher romained with them, but in a little while ho rose, and, takiog a chair near Evarts and Judgoe Porter, engaged in an onrnost conver- eation with thew. Drawlng a very largo momn- orandum-book from his pocket, hie, with his two priucipal lawyars, busily examined It, compared notes, and mado coplous entries with o gald pou- cll, Lowaswatched withialmost Jealous scrutiny, and the crowd observed every oxpression of his faco nud overy motion of hls band, Thebuzz of conjecturo continued, and the Judgo waxed moro and moro grave, At last the jury was ealied, and thon Bocclior returnod o bis chair. 1fo was & good denl paler than when Efffentered, and his mouth twitched with a very natural uorvousness, Nouo better then he appreciated thie dramatio clinracter of the erivia in affaira, Iits oyes roved to the window, aud, as ho looked up to tho sky, & sudden buret of sunlight butst out of the gray hoavens and steoped tho Jury In its goldon tide. The jury baving been callod, there was o great hush and crauing of necks. Nearly all tho women™ In court rowo to stare, and hold their peace, ILivarts and Tullerton rose together. Leforo Evarts could speak, Fullerton roquested that Radpath should bo recalicd. ‘LThat almost voiceless gentleman returned to tho stand, ond for three-quarters of an hour waa sharply cross-oxaminod, THE MOBT BTARTLING DEVELOPMENT of the croms-oxamiuation was the statoment that Deecher biad said that TLilton Lad just cauas of complaint againat hin, i Wheu Fullorton sat down from tlhe oross-ox- amination of Redpatl, there was GBEAT CORFUSION, Everybody knew that Boechor was golug to Le the noxt wituees, aud tho delay only aggravated tha suspense. 'Lho defendaut's counsel eat to- getber, heads nodding snd tougues wagging, Toor Rodpath sat, ephins-fashion, in hly cbair, waiting for the gracious worda * That's all” Dut Redpath had been forgotten, and he Lad to fidget for ton minutes, At last Bhearman pops up and bids him goiu peace, THE AUDIZNCE ON ITH FEET, Then there {8 anollier buzziug consultation, and then Evarts sayss ¢ Mr, Beecher will please take tho atand,"—at which two-thirds of the au- dionce risos to its foet, With a qulck, norvous step ho speeda to tho littlo platform, aud the room sounds as if bees wore swarming in it, Clerk Mallison, with voice at a ‘tremble, beging the customary afirmation, THE BWEAKING 1ITCH, * Mr, Beecher, eroct a soldier, stauds vith uplifted right hand. Beach ison his feet st once and dosires that the great dofendsnt be sworn in evsogelically. Theore fe a lull, aud Evarts explains, but Beecher, in a voico as clear a8 a_ bugle, exclaims: *I bavo consclentious scruples against befyg sworn vu the Holy Berip- tares." b i BEACH I‘IMU‘ OF HAYING IT BTRONG, AMutteson returns to tha attacks sud, stli trem- ulona with excitemont, begins: '*You do scl- emnly slirm”—yght hore the fce-tempered blade of Beach cuta In onco more: namo of the ovér-lving God,” ho exclaims, Thoro {s s momont's sllenco, Then the Clerk begins once more, ** You do sojomply afiirm, in tho presonos of the sver-llving God, that tho evle donco yon give in this caso will bo the trath, tho whols tritls, and nothing Lut the truth," 1 do !" rings out the silver bugle, and tho ovor- ture to another act in Lhis tragedy of chinracters is over. TUE WAY THINGS WENT. Evartn begins the direct examination, Deschor iscalm and indlffatent. Ilia face fa full of col- or, but such a complosion in such a situation is no more than natural. All day the dlreot oxami- natlou 1an protty smoothly. Beecher's replios belug prompt, sudible, and clear, Now and thon ho invaded the realm of light comedy, and thero was frequent laughtor. e St THE TESTIMONY 1Y DETAIL, PRELIMINARIES, THE PROMINEN T ACTOIS AND THEIR FRIENDS, NEw Youx, April 1.—A few minutes after the clock f{udieated 11 almost every member of the DBeechor family was iu the Court-raom. Col, Hevry and William Heechor, the Plymouth pase tor's two sous, and Herbort Beecher, bis nophor, camo firat, Tho Boceher boys gave np their ald noats and took chinlrs Just belind that usually oceupied by plaintilf. Rossitor Raymond sat at ono sida of them, and Stephen Poarl Androws on tho othor. Mrs, Col. Boechor nest camo In alono snd took & woat o the front row. At fivo 1ninutes past 11 o'clock tho main door of the Court-room opencd, and Mr. Becchor ontered looking tho ploture of ruddy hoalth, and accompanicd by Mr, and Mra. Beecher, Mra, Harriot Boovil, Mr. Bocchor's daughtor, and her husbaod, the Rov. Ir. Suoril, & Congregational pastar of Norwich, Conu.; Mrs, Leechor's brother, Nisa Catherino.| Deechior, and throe unknown ladies: Mr. Shear- man, ond Francls D, Moulton. Mr. Moutton turned to tho left a8 ho entored the Court, wont yound the Jury-box, and took a eeat near Mr, Morrls at the tabla occupled by plaintiff's Inw- yors, diroctly in front of tho witness-stand. Just at tho instaut that this remarkablo procession onterod by tho main door, the tall figuro of Theodore Tilton was “seen inside the doorwdy leading to tho Judge's privato room. Mr. Boach was beslde bim, and the two gentlemen foll back and allawed the otber party to pass. Whilo Mr. Wallaco Caldwell was making room for the new arrival, Mr, Boach smiled. Mr, Tilton atood Lebind Lim, looking worn and pale. Beach then mado an attempt to pass, and as ho did 0, hiis oyes met Deocher. Thoy sliook hands pleasantly, Mr. Tilton looked steadily at Beeche er, but tho Iatter did not roturn tho gaze, Thero wag a alight attempt st applause whou Beecher entered, but it gradually died away. As ho passed through, the spectators aroko from their goaty, and the group which just arrived wos wi- nutely seanned, LEDPATI'S TESTIMONY CONCLUDED, Jamos Redpatl, who waa tho last witueus vos- terday, was recalled by Mr. Fuilerton and cross- oxamined. He was showna lottor and nsked.if ho Liad bad an intorviow with Becchor bofora it was written. 1le replied: Idid, on the evening Lo- fore. This was in July, 1874, I saw bhim at Peckstiill on Monday, Itold Mr. Deecher I had #peut Sunday with Thaodore, Elizabeth, and Trauk, and went to see Theodore in tho moru- ing. 1 descrabed tho interview to hiny, and totd Leechor that Theoduro waa going to charge bim with baving committod ndufi’mry with Elizabeth, extending through two or thrée years, ‘iitou told mo hio was glad to sco me, and_ asked e how hie should tight this batile. In the at- ternoon of Banday, Moultun camo Tilton. 1 told HBeechor, and maid Theodore, ** Redpath {8 gomg up to goo Beecher to-morraw,” Moulton nsled mo what [ wig going for, and tho witess suid he was goiny to arrango dates, and Thiton saud to tell Beechor be was gulng to CIALGE UM WITIT ADULTERY, In tho | member of it, {hercafter hivo? Moulton wu.kad up aud down the room, and #poke of his love for both ‘Iiiton aud Poccher. Hu sold mo to tell this to Beocher, which I re- fused at the time, but did tell Beecher of it, After I told this to Beechor, he eaid ho sup~ poscd I know all that Thoodore Liad to sy on tho subject. I roplicd that I did, and had Tead tho *Truo Btory," Mr. Itoochor did not deny tlat bo bad given Tilton causo of otfense, Ho snid somotbing about a card Moulton waonted hiw to write, and that ho had put the wholo suattor in the hauds of men of such charnotor that ha was saro would render a just verdict ; that if thoy acquitted him, ho would go on; but that if thero was the slightest conwuro ho would resign in tweaty-four hours, e waid ho should nut agatn bo . party dependeut on the good faith, honor, ormagnanimity of Tilton, that he was o scoundrel, aud that whon the scandal bod becoma rfimcl ho had endesvored to atir it up. Mr. Ieschier said lio hiad tried to livo in bar- mouy with overy porson, DBeechior said ho aliould MARE A CLEAN DREAST OF IT, taking all tho blama, Wituess waa aslod if, in all his conversations, Beecher bad dentea the comintssion of adultery, Mr, Evarts objooted, and was supported by P'or- tor, who argued that witness Lad told alt that oceurred 1u thoss conversatiovs, and it was for tho jary to. detormine and not the iitnoss, whethor it was an admlssion or a donisl of tho commission, The quaation was allowed, aud witness roplied:s * I did not ask hiw about it." ‘Po Mr. Sbearman: I wont up to sce Buechor at Pookakill witls roforonce to u lecturs contract with him in the fall, LSS . DEFENDANT ON THE STAND, TIEQOUSEBVED OF ALL OUSERVELS, At threo minutes to 12 Rodpath lett the wite noesestand, and 8lr, Bvarty, turnivg to whore defendant sat, said, * Mr, Doochor will now be sworn," Thero was & buzz in tho Court-room, aud Beocher, accompaniod by an oflicer, walked round to tho witness-stand behind the jury-box, Evory oys was turned on him, but ho looked as unmoved and unooncernod aa bia doos on Sunday, when asconding the viatform of his own church, He tosses Lila soft felt hat away and calinly di- yosta himself of Lly overcoat proparatory to preaching. Frauk Moulton bent forward in his seat as the great preacher was scon on tho plaiform of the witnesa-stand towering over ths spoctutors fu tho hody of tho court.reom. Moulton looked steadily at Deeclior whils the Intter Look bid weat, and hever relaxed an earnost gazo while ke gavo hia testimony. Beecler did not-onca look towards where Moulton or the plainti® sat, He appenrod to Juok over thoir hoads at tho crowd, or at tho jury, Wien the clock struck 13 the witneas throw off lus over- coat, aud, taking out hia watch, calmly compared it with tho clock in tho court-ruom, TUE FORM OF OATHL, Mr, Beccher thoroupou sook the stand and was about to nilirm, Mr. Bonch—Ono moment, eir, Tho clork continuod, 1 object to tllilla Mr, Deach~Ouo womont, formn of onth, sir, unlcss Mr. cecher sl claro that bie iny consciontious scruples wwearing upon tho Seripturos, Ju(:f:n Neilwon—Any form that Mr. Boocchor counjdern will bind hid consctenco, Mr. Beach—"Tho statutoe ia that & witness shall he aworn upon the Beriptures unlees he declaros that Lo has couscleutious scruples against that wode of H‘Tflll’lhf- Ar, Deecher—I hava consclontious seruples nyt swoarlug on tho Bible, he Clerk—Do you solomnly doclare and aftirm ? Mr, Evarts—ITo awears by tho uplifted hand, Mr. Heach—y the ever-living God ? Mr. Evarta—No ; the New England castom fu touwonr Ly tho uplified bLmud, llo does the gamo. Thoro s tho wame distinction in Now F"gllillfd to tho oath aud afiirmstion that there 6 with ng, The Clerk—In the prosence of {ho evor-living God you solemuly swear to (all the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, Mr. Ueochor—I do. i A P BIOGRAPHICAL. L BIAMINKD BY MK, EVARTH, Q.—Nr, Boecher, whers wera you born, and whon ? A.—I was bora in Litchgeld, Conn,, In 1819, as T a fuformed, air, Q.~Your fathor was tho Rev, Lyman Boocher ? A.~Yes, sir, Q.—At what age dld your fathor dle, and when? A.—Hodied in the fall, if I recollect sright, uir, of 1863, at the age of 88, Q.—Your motber st what age? A—My mother died when I was about 8 yoars old. Q.—1ow long did you sud your family live In Liichtield after your birth? A.—3y father moved fevm Litchi=ld fn 136, 3 1 rocollect wrlglt, 1waking mo alnut 13 yesns old when we went awpy, Q~Aud whero did your fumily, sud youswelf as B T A.—In Boston for elght years, the family did, e e fereyman of he orthodor a0t In New England 7 A.—I16 was, Q.—Seitlad in Lilchfieh! wlllo you were there 2 A.— m(’;::. : minleter, and in Doston, over what church 2 A.~Tie wan first nettled over a church that waa ealled Towdoin Sirest Church, When that wee burned down and robuilt {n another atreet, it was ealled Hunover, nio, it wan cailed firat tho Hanaver Strcet, and after- weard Towdoln Sireet Chureh, Q.—Hebulit in Bowdoiu street? A.—Rebuiltin Bow. doln atreet § yos, sir, imerous & family of children had your parents 7 A —Thirteerr'were born to them, sud eleven wera ralsed to man's estate, ; Q.—tow many of them were men, and how many wero women? A,—8ix boys and four girls, Q.~—Deside yourself, to maknont thoolcven? A,— T hiave never Dheen ahlo to lell it aright without count- iug, air, {Langhter,) Judgo Nellso—Thore will havo to be lean nos Q.—Now, Mr, Beccher, wers your brothors all clor- gyiien, a8 well as yournclf 7 A.—All of them, COLLEQGE LIFE. Q.~\Whero ald yon go to college, and when? A~ At Amborat College, in the year 1830, F A —~Graduated fu duo courss? A.—In due course in 18:H~—~Auguat, Q.—And thereafter did_yon muirmie professional studics, snd whero? A, —Threo years at” Lane Sem- inary, with the excaption of about ton montis, when tonk charge of the Clncinnalt Jonrnal. Q-Was Lano Somnary a thicologieal semiaary 2 A, ~It wan, slr, "J.—\w- it nnder your fatber's charge? A.~1lo fas Iresident of it. 5 EARLY MINIATRY, Q. And whon were you ordalued ass clergyman? A—1'wan lieensed s clérgyman, 1 think, in 1847, Q.—=And whon were you first vettled over s ohiurch 2 AT was rettled over a church the sune year, Q.~Whero was that? A.~Lawrenccburg, Ind,, Dearborn Ootnty, Q.=That {s below Clucinnati? A, ~Twenty miles below Cinelunati, on tho Ohio River, hQ.T““ itmsunll town? A,—A small, ificonsider- nble $own. Q.—\Vith several chiirclica 2 A,—Yea sir—A Daptist, Prasbyterian, anit Methodiat Church, and, just at the close of my tinistery, there was organized an Eplaco- pal Churell, Q,—1ow Iarga was your church membership? A,— The communicants were nineteen. A Q.—And how waa the attendance? A,—The houee, 1 think, would buld 309, i€ it was crowded, Lut from 200 K waa the uaual number, And how wore you supported,’ by the church ? A.—1 wus a benofictary under tho care of tho American Uome Misstonary Soclety, Q.—1itow long did you remait theto? A,—Twa years, Q.—From thery where did you go? A,~Ta the Onjiltal of the Biate of Indiana. Aud soitledd over n church thero? A—Yes, air; d over tho Fresbyterian Church, Q.—Was that a mora cousiiorabila chiurch 2 A.—No 3 it wan & small church, 1t wan at tho time of the divis sion of tha Old and New Bcliool Presbyterlans,and this was an offahinot from the Ol Bolivol, It was a compar- atively sumll olurch, I canmot toll you tho number. Q.—tWere you sug ported by your cougregation, or did you continna a8 n_mlssonary 7 A.—l was sup- patted by my congregation, at a nalary of §310, Q.—1low long did you coutinue there? A.~About cight years, PLYMOUTIL CHURCIL Q.—That brought you to whero? A.~To the year 17 Q.—From there whore lsve you MHyed, fa whet rervicona clergyman? A.—I Liave lived In thla City of Tiraoklyn, as pastor of Plymouth Chureb, Qu—\Vere yau the first clargyman of that church? A, =1 wan tho first, und have Leen tho oty pastor, Q.—Whon you were called wan it the beginning of of ita exiztence s a churcl with a pastor? A,—1 wan callod to the chinreh by tho gentlemen who llllrchn!ml tho proporty, 1 aatd that they coulil not call me, w3 they bad no sutbority, sad they therefore proceeded to urganlze na o church, Q.—And you were then ealled by the chuceh? A~I was then catled by the eburel, Q.—Llow large wos this comn eallet? A1 think {ho chirek | Lod {wenty members, perliaps (wen not over twenty, . Q. —Ifaw {Lora been any bresk or Intarruptfon h\) ur services ns pastor and preacher at that ehnreh from that time to the present? A=l bave preachod come timuously from that time to thiv, —1las there been nuy curo of Interruption on ac- eugils or had bealth during that time? year after I catne to Dwukl{n while the eliurels fnwhich we now worship was bullding, T oz- i myseld in visiting the church, and was nick with sipelan, which cofecbled mo for several months, With tho uxception of that sickneas, I don't think I bave Tost five Sutidays In twenty-seven years, VIBITS CUROPE. Tave you within this perio aleenee abroad 2 A when yon woro tiet ealled mio getive—porhapn eonvequticn of continued aickness, T snade a vovagy with Capt. Knlght fu the ship Now World to England in thoauminsr of 1:4, T was nob gono over thres wonths, but 1 think laside of two. Q.—Yot went ont fn o wafllog aliip? A.—T went ont expecting to come back in a - salling ehip, but o fuck returned In the steamship Asfa, 1 Q.—Yuur second als:nce in Enrope 2 A—That was infune, If recollect right, fu 1838, 1 returned thy Tast of November of the ¥ame yaar, Q= tiino was tarsed in England and on the Continent excepting duriug tho vnrlgnfl Ye Q.—Whut was theoccation of this vinit 7 A,—1 bind Deen worn out with proaching, lecturing, and editorfal work, consequent to the caming on of the War uud tae first'year of the War, anl my friends advised me to tako the summor fur ro:rutting, and be roady for tho fell wud winter campatan, Q.=You ware not an fuvalid during your sbssnco? A.=No, Wir; nor before it, exactly an (nvaltd, 'Q.—It waa for recreatfon 7 Tt was for rest prepzra. tory to larger lubors 7 Yoit bind tinoa to wiks bl demonatratious sud perform aervicos while atoard 7 A.—Dyyous mean whether 1did? Q. —Thofact? A.—At firat I refuaed, and with tho execption of a few breakfasts, os theycallthen fn En- gland, took na public service, and then went 0 the Contiiient nod spant oo or two montls there, sl re- turned to Tngland In Scptenber, determined'to como home, aud waa led to syree toa litio of publio orationy or discouraes ou Americau aifairs, Q.~In somo of the principal citfes in England? A, Dolanchower, Glusgow, Ldluburg, Liverpoo), sud ndon, “Q.—Aild theso occastons hail to do with the pulilic sltuation of otfairs here and tho War? A.—~They did, FLYMOUTII MEMEERGIIP, Q.—Ifow lurge {8 tho congregutlon—bow largo the nuinber of church members in Plymouty Church? A—I caunot atata with positiveness, vie; Lut I should now say thet tho congregation is limited ouly by the bufiding, and it ins becn eo for twonty-ive yuars, Tho number of comiunnicants, I supposo, is over 4,60),— betwean 2,50 nad 3,000, Q.—~For how long las that mumber, or a similar number, been tho busla of your church-aorvica? A— I could uot say; it has been over 2,000 for ton years or taure, HATITUAL LAKORS, Q.—What are and have lkun.{ullr Liabitual labors as clergyman In dirvcting the atfalrs of thin chrch and cumgruation? Al lutve prescliod moruluy aud ulternoow, and conducted for & marics of years a Wednerduy ight locture snd Frigay uight prayer- mecting, and what was colled tho social circle,~tho {ul inceting of the church, Q,~Where were tho attor held? A,—In the parlor of the church, ,.—Aud more reccntly have your services thers been reduced {n amount? A,—Tho soclal meetings L Lave roniltted to the young people of the church, Q.—How far back? A,—~Ob, I should say for fifteen A Q.—And tho \"fidncldl{ evening lecturo? A.—~The Weinoaday evoning leclura I discontinued not far from or just Lefore the time of the War, I sy be in. sccurate about that, I Lave no speclal memory, Biteibnassds, LITERARY LIFE. THE INDEPENDENT, Q.—Now, within the period of your mervices a8 a clorgyman, what othor public or lterary employment bavo you had? A.—I havo beon connected with journalism ever since I was in the pulplt. I lave beon con- nectod with tho Now York Independent, after my first yoar, not as a momber of the staff, but asn contributor, havivg o column of my own, That way tho understanaing, Q.—Aud furnishing a paper? A.—For evory wool, for every lesuo of that paper. Wo had a contract arzauged, Afterwards, in 1870, I took charge of the Christian Union, Q.—First go on to tho time when yon became to bo editor of tho Independent, A.~I think, 1 am not dofinite, Ithink it was tho latior part of 1560 or carly fu 1861, The editors ¥yho had con- ducted the fndependent—Yr, Bacon, Dr, Blorrs, and tho Rav, Dr, ‘Thompson—resigned. I thon made an srrngement with Howen (o couduct e paper edi- 1onally, ¢ Q.~Up to what time did you continue o be the ro- aponalbln chief editor of that paper? A.—Uutll the fall of 1663, aud tho nominal editor until tLe fall of 1904, " I'bink, air,and 8 contributor part of tli mo, Q.~Up to what time did you remain a cantritutor ¢ A=l tho fall of T, Q.—A covutaut coutributor? A,—I cannot pral myself for conatancy iu that regard, but I woula Le cunvidereit a regular contributor, Q,~And then your oouuccilon ceased? A.—My cunnection ceased, Q.—In 18887 A.—In 1806, THE CIRISTIAN UNION, Q,—And in the lutoryul butweon your assuming the editorship of the Chrwlian Union Liad you any culilico- tiu, tewonsible counection, with sny public news- paper? A.—No, air, ‘Thore wae & movement ket on oot Ly tite Congregational brothren fo establish Jouruafl which, In view of other arrsugements which ‘were alao in presecution, was droppod by these friends, 1 declining (o take suy position which would seem to put me I antagonism with the Independent, d_Low did your courection come about with the Chriatian Union when it did take placo? A.—Tho Chrtatian Uniow was culld in ita origin the CAurch Unfun, & paper which was founded 10 bring Chrstian churdcll:lu together on one foundation, with the unders { R 2 ‘L‘l‘r u‘s:.uh-onn ‘moment, Mr, Beechy - 3 A ris—It is Dol necessary to go luto details, A,~That japer inta the hands of au intinste fricud of wmiue st 8 thae when £ was under contract | tawrlletho W Lifu of Chrlat” " Il cams tome o k! 3 Alr, Beach~I think thoso detsils are inadmiasitla, - ; 7 lll—\'lij)ul:gr‘t u‘g II.I(Adll tay ottt a wai spplied 16 10 take cha v, a0 docliued, excopt. condittonally, st a® futrer thue bus slreuinatuticon krose whick {orcod o 0 that yosltivn 1{ow early was it in that year ? A.—Janusry. Q.—Now, when you took Lhal paper, what was iha extent of iiawubscrijtion? ~ A=Hald 'to be 8,000, buf 18 probably bad 6J 10 1,000 bona de subscribars, | quities to's peria auterior ta {ho vear 430, ~ Q.—~0nly? A,—That wan my impression. That was what T wan fold, Q.—Now, during the fAirst year,—T am Hmiting nn‘mi Wik extent ind tho elrenlation of {hin Christian Unfon in- cronaod ? A.—1 cannot give tho figures, Ovar 34,000, Q.—Over ,0009 A,~Yes, xir, LECTURING EXP ENCES, Q.—Besldes yonr services as & clergyman, having n charge, aud thioso editorial services ihnzing the poriod of souf reaidenca fn Hirouklyn, bave yut lind otlier Mtérary labor 2~ A,—I Lave, if ou fndude locturing a1 o literary labor, .—\WUAt {8 your hatit in that regard—locturing? A.=1have beet n very largs Lxcturor, Q.—During a couslderablo poriod of yeara? A.— Fron the necona year of my roftifug hiers, 1 begnu in 1843 to lecturo, T fhink, or 1813, Tha winter of Jais-% 1 lectirmd for tho Mercantila Library Assocuation of Boston, 1 gok $20 for it, Q.—From that time until about when? A,~From that time until the trial begnn 1 hiave been lecturing priucipully in tho winter, autimi, and apriug, soldom n the summer, 3tr, Evaria {10 the Court)—1 linve a lotter nidreened to Your lHonor and myeelf, askivg that s gentleman bo introduced to the Cotirt, * Jidge Neilaou—It 1 very proer it should be ad- dreaned to you first, sir. Evarts (fo the ‘witness)—Q.—I have lot your anawor, Mr, Deecher, A,~Aud 1 hove lost your uies- Uan, sit, (Taughtcr.) Tho atenograptier read the lant question as_follows ¢ Q.—Frum that tima until about when 7 A—From that ttine until this trial began, T lavo been locturing |riaclpatly in witer, aufunin, snd speing, end widon n summer, SUMMER VACATIONS. Q.—~During tlls perlod of your nottlement aver Plymouth Ciitrels, las there bech any regular interval of vacation, aud, i so, at what 1ol of the year, st for what length of tme? ~ A.—My contract with tha | ¢church eatlod for the month of Augiiat as tny vacation, Thls lan, howsver, oxtoudod, principally from ‘the fact that am subjoct to tho hay fover which occtira in about tho month of Auguat, and whanorer tint oocurs my vacation lins been ex- tendded from (he 1at of Auguet to the middle of Bep- tomber, Within tho lat five yoars, porhape, tho churcl, by special volo, from yeir to' year, liaa on. Jurged # Itlle my vacation, sumetimen asnding ma oft In‘u{.nlxl:!uddluar July tiil tize 1st of Octobor, as tho case jul 3 Q.—And for what period of ime have you hiad n Axed conntry realilonce for pomn perbod of the year? A,— 1 should sy sixteen or seventeon yoara; not {n tho Bamo placo alwass, Q.—And how fong an it beeu In Peekakill 2 A,~1 stoutd aay thirtecit or fuuriecn g Q.—Aud havo you bad it Ased i Poekakill for the mont part? L—Just a3 much of it o 1 conld get ore. Q.—Far tho moat part fhat hus beon your fized habit of ummior residenco? A—Untll within four years 1 alwaya ntayed (here, Only within the last four years I hiave gone to tho White Monntalus. Q.—Air, Leecher, when wero you marriod? Ob, 1 beiz your pardon ; 1 haven't gone through witls th loc- turiig matter, lfave you becn an anthor and pube Balier of an worke? “A—Will you ailow me to cor- rect by nddition, T should Lave jneluded fn the auswer to your questin about lccturing that 1" Tave, © partiontaly fn. 1830, T thhik, by voto of 1y chureh, been st over as inuich wa T thoughit neceraary o go fatothe e and lesturs on_ poiftics, aud tuat during ull those stormy times immediately proceding the Katwan srobles I was in the habit of making many politicil syeeciice, sud proaching not a Low poiitical sermony, AUTHORBHIP, . R to bovke, Mr. Deecher? A.—I hzve Leenw visy voluminoun writer. 1 thiuk {here sro aluat tliirty=live volunices that stand in me MmO now, Q.—Aud all datingg from the poriod of your rest~ deucs in Breokiyn? A.- . Q.—Sume befare 7 A—Sumo before, Q.—Win wos yoar connection i reference lo tho work called * Tha Lica of Clrist” mado? When was tuat nudertuken 7~ A—I thiul that wan undertaken in_ 13—[hoiluting vutno tie) I have got a memoran. dum of duten Lere, (Fedlug in his pucket.] 1f the gentleman will allow ino to luok at it. Mr, Bouch—Gertainly nir, certainly, alr. ocolier—1 will submit my mesorandum, for it covors vary largoly tha wholo grounil, for tho'inspoc- thon of this gentleman, If you wish to Hu it, Mr. Beachi—Wo have 1o desira for §2, sir. Mr, Deocher, ufter looking over tha memorandum for some tlme, sald: I cigned {he contract for the # Life of Christ " ou tho 1%t of Dacember, 1807, th fliat yolumo waa L.k in Seplomber, 1871, Q.~Did tho prej aration of that work 'occupy your tnie, nud attention, aud_rtudios to any dstiatie or considerable extent during this porlod? A—Very lasgely, wir, Q—1ho "work is still jucomplota? A.—Yos, sir. ‘Tio first voluino 14 puiishol, Ths eecond voluma i tivo-thirda done, but nt pubilahed, Q.—When did you wrils your worl of faney, woud "7 A~=That precedod this, sir. It win “glr\.l in tho Ledger, in 1807,—and n” bookefurs 3. i DOMESTIC LIFE. 1113 COTRTSNIr. Q.—Well, Mr., Decclier, when wore yon mar- ried? A.-~Thesawe year I was sottlod—In 1837, I think, slr. Q.—1on long a period Lofore your marriago bad you been acquainted with your aftianced bride? A.—Malf aslongas tho patrisreh and his two wives, Ilad been engaged to hoe sovon yoars. [Loughtor.] | * Q.—And liow old wers you when you wero marjed? A.—Ithiek I was23; I am not good at tigures. Q.—~aAnd what waa your wifc's ago at that time? A—~What ig that? Q.—What was your wife's ago at that time? A~T think wlio was 2iwlo, A part of the year sho fs witon Lam 26, and the reat of tho yosr waeare of the e nge, [Laughter,) Q.—Hu that your eugagement dates from the eatly uge of 10 or thercabouta? A.—I wan engaged, I thluk, When T wasbetweon 16 and 17, Q.—You wora Iegn then? A~ wan fn col- fege, oir, T think X was & Ereshmn, THE CHILDREN, Q.—Ilow many children, . Beocher, hava you had of tiln murrisga? A1 Bave four, I hiave fane with o and five waiting for me, Q.~And now, how many grandolifilren havo you Bad? A—Eigsls INOIDENTAL SEPARATIONS. Q.—Dnring the porlod of your warrisga have thara Duath auy tntervala of abtenca or wsparation botween yonrself_and your wife cxcept those you have named cxcers gulng lo Europa? A.—Excépt when Ilave been gouo to Europo or out on lecturing tours, Al of Into years has your wife had oceasfon to vixlt the Sontl with reference to hor health 7 A,—Yes, alr 5 since, I thiuls, tho winter of 1870 or 1871, Q.—Tho winter 'of 0412 ~A~700r 7l ; X don't reniember exactly when it bagan, Q.—ltus pho gono Houlh wvery winter untll now ? A.—Uuntit this winter 3 yeu sir, Q,~Whilo you wers ut Indianapolls was there any occaaion whet your wife went to Connectizut in conac- quenco of sickucza? A,—Not to Connectiout ; sho went back to her hotge, Q.~In Massachusoits 7 A.—In Button, Mass, Qu--Aud with those exceptivuy thore kas beon no fn- torval? A,—I don't recall any, HOUSEMOLD ARRANOEMENTSH, Tn regard to the coudnct of domentio affairs, cclicr, what wan tho ubit of your 1ite in respect 10 your wifa of youruelf having charge of them? e From u very casly period I roumitied to hor alost en- ticely my secular aifairs { 50 much 80 thiat until within two years, alnca 1y son caine £ live with me, who was 1n business, I nover sven drew my own salaty. G.—Your'wife did 1 A—Tuo chiecks wero rmadeout tolier, and all the Treasurcr's acconnta wers * Mrs, Beecher, dobtor,” and I know nelther what moucy como Jn or what ‘money comaout 0 fur 48 my salary ‘was coucerned, Q.—Until wiilin & recent porlod was your wifa's boalth and strength suiolent? A.~BLo had yoor Lealth, but §t was tho strength and amount of purpose which'gave Ler, in ¢ffect, the strungtli of ten women, aud, until un aocldeut whitels befell lier, nataely, belng thrown from a ruuaway teamn against thio atoi stepa of & bank in Irooklyn, she was in evory respect al- wagu thought sound and oificlent, fur buyond measuro of orainary womon, Qi Wlut woe your babit fa regard to your corre sponidence beliig knowi to ber, o tnanaged In s respect orina degres by birw, Becolor duriue this perlod? A.—Well, {n tho sarllor period of my iifu I had & very sonallive fecling in reqard to the sacredness of leltory, 1 would nuver open my children's, nor suffer anybody elsetodoit. I would never opch hers, neithor did 1 whuli liwe 0 Opens mine ; but witlu (ho liat Afteon yoars sorrospondents havaso multiplied that I graw coreless turough over-ascupation, #o that thoy, littio by lttle, mased {n1o bar charye, and for the lust Gften years, £ 1 was gone, or If tire waa any rouson why fierhaph somebody mnfght antfor, she always opencd my let- ters, aud, 1o & very consldorable” degroe, answered them, 17 thers wore any doubits whiths sho had, sho waited titl I camo hiome, TPASTORAL VISITH, Q.—Alr, Beocher, durlng your scttioment hers, what has een your biabit 1n regard 10 pursonal visita or ine tercouras with the parish ut Lirge, or with auy narrow circle among {f" parishioners, or smoug other reai- dents of Brooklyn ¥ < A—Tu Wy arly years I altomptod a great deal of visiting, As outelde’demaud e wasted my time, Imade arraugeiaenta by which [ hould Lo sced at iy Lonse oF at iy clhureh by whomsvever wished, i, subsa- quent to that 1 found it {mpossible ciiher to Viult oF rocelve multitudinoun callers, and for tho laat iweaty yoars, with the oxception of weddinys and faerats, Lo doue very il visllng, ~Now sud then I Liad s paroxyiam of visitation, but in general it may bo sald L am not s visiting jreacher, INTIMACIES, Q.—Aud have there been any clrcle of.{utimacies /between your family and other familics of your co tion, of of your lirooklyn nelghbore? alr, Iwas cautioned sqoiust that, bub I ya studied my rights ou that subjut, 1 lave ale waya sald2ibat because I waa a juinister I wes not auy 1L less » gentieinan and a cltizon, and 1 would have iy eirclo or_ my intimacios, § didn't care who was Joalous oF who remarked, Q.—And Lheso intimscles, wers they of whols fami. 11os buid with your whole fainly ¥ A.—Almost U every o Q’.’-—An-l ‘ware theas intimacies entirely or mwlpnlli confined to familics of your own parish? A,— 1hink all, with » single exception, Q] you intimacies with brother cleryy 1 A—Yes, air, 2, Hlorre. tr)‘.;(;mn'm thess Intimacles were ip your own slw: ny family of your o eicoption was A—Altogathiar, :“Q.;;Thefll Tnlimacins were onfined to your family ? Ve, »ir. .—During this time have you had s large jonal aoupiatnianes with Boa sagaged 1 Publc 3fTairs or in slairs of nufluu‘n,mlfiu Church 7 A.—You mean to , 8ir ; 10 the community at large? A,—Yes, air,I bavo et very many, ILaye never formed soy parilcular {utimacics or acquaiutance with wany, .—i{aa your corroapondence been sxicnsive?’ A.— 1 should say not, if Ishould judge from my lmprose rlan: but it you ware to Lring the lsttors it would be foutud T hiad, TUBLIC BPEECIES. Q.—Norw, durlng tho last fwenty years, what han boen the average of publlo occasiona’ on which you have spokau dutiug tho porfod not embreaed in your voeatlon 7 A,~I don't understand your last reimark, Q. —During a perimd, say ruuning back toa time of twenty years ago, whal has boen the averago number of tiniea of your public appearanco not cmbiraced In tho line of your yocation? A.—I shoulll say that from (hie year 1814 to tho year 1371 1 have averagud sbout aix diarent, full-grown addrenacs, Q.—Tlat gives twa on Bunday and fone during the wook? A (£ 3 and oficutinien two a day. —_—— BEECHER MEETS TILTON. THFIR FIRST ACQUAINTANCE, Q.—Mr, Boceher, when and how did you firet form the acquaintance of Tilton? A.—I recol- lact bim, if 1 recollect aright, whilo ho was an omploye on the Now York Obscrver, If I rocall it aright, I becamo acquainted with him first in liis ofllco of reportor. 1le was n short-land re- portor, Q.—And in what conneotion with yourself did that employment Lring him into your acqualnt- auce? A.~Idon't remombor whother ho was teporting anything from Plymouth pulpit for other papers, but my tirst recolleotion Is that Dauiol Durtis, then n membor of my eburets and o publlebor in Now York, procured him to Teport ermons for him, Q.~Your sormana Aty aormons ; ha Liaving an intention to publish o volume, Q.—Was tlie young man Sutroduced to you fu (hat conncetion?, A,~—As I romember, I catnot sny about thie spectal time of introduction, 1 have kuown bim 0 lang It scom s If £ hava known i always since I bave beow fn Diraoklyn. Q.—What wan hin aga and position In 1ifa at the time that you knew 5im? “A.—I can’t kay what bis ngo war, s was oxtranusly youtifal, ud of au eugaghug man: noe, and of a very comely appearance, and ono- whoso addroess I know won my eympathy fron tho first, Q,—Now, frotn that fime, jn what caure and ju whnt dejtreo did you coma to e asvclated with him iu in- tercourac or cmployment 2 A,—I maw blm n groat doal, Ieaw hitn for n yoar o two beforo 1800, bocause he uail tranaforred his relations from the Obaercer to the Independent, Theu fused toseo Lilm after that scveral tines n yeeok, whon I was {n town, ~In rounection with the Independent? A,—In Hou with the Independent. .—Awl Low were your personal relations 7 Very cordlal, On Louth sides 7 A.—On both aidos, TILTON WITTY AND AMUHING. Q.—Ifow munch were you and be in tho habit of conferring togother with rogard to your common inleresta, of discuening cominon] purposes? A~llo was witty and amusing In converwition, aud T alwaya clitied with bim bu such matters bofore, but [ didn't o tnto what may be ealled very closs personal relatious untll Laraumed tho managamont of the paper, fn 1401, snd theroafter, for two youre of three, wo weto togothier alnoat every day. Q.—And was this intimacy of compdntonshipaa solt 8s of cowmon lutorcata aud cinplognicutn? A, ~1t was not ouly eommon omployment and votupanionship, Lut downright loving on my part. Q.—Duriug all his time how soon (il Fout bocomo awaro of any desira or purposoof bis to siceoed you in the Indenendent? - A~"To sicceod or supersedo ? Q.—Succeed, A—Bucceed—T don't know, I hayn an impreesion that it wae my desico that le should rather thau jt waa his that ho stionld, Q.—And you so expresscd {t? A,—Yoes, Q.—Aud ‘when did you ficvt begin to plan and pre- pare for that positfon“¥or him? "A,—It was in the yenr 1663, eir, Q.~At' that 1ime wan he definitely and publely known as assistant editor 7 A.—Yen, sIr. It vas one of tho condillons whe L ugreed to take tho paper that Lo suoitld bo my ssadstant, Q.~Mado by you? . A,—Yey, sir, Q.—When and how’ ‘Was tho nigreement made hy which you were to decliue tha piaco entlrely In his favor? A.—When that proposition to seud me to Eurobo cams up, my chureh desired I abould go, but it was neceasary that I shouid have thio cousout of owen, with whom I had a contract, aud at tue {imo a1 arrangoment was mado Latweon in and Jowen by whict I wus to glvoupto him cortain vested righta with reference (o that paper, aud I waa to have liborty of absenca. on condliion of corrospondenco with. ity snd then alro, since wo wero breuking up tho old ar raugaiuent, Iontered intooue by which Iagreed that it TILTON WOULD TAKE MY PLACK on my return and carry ou the paper for the year of my abaonce, being a kind of probationary period for inanaging, T woukd allow my nams ta stad for a’ year a4 noiuln.l editor, nfter which ho was to contlnuo ua wditor under lits own pame! Q~And you withdraw? You continued to have such contricts as you mentioned for Literary services? Q. cont -Yea. —gnt you did terminato your rolstfons as editor? heis was about 1863 and 1834 7 ir, I returned In the sutumn of 18%), and nominal editor fn 1341, though 1 had tho A—=Yen, T wan only right at any timo in 1364 to put what I choso into tho paper editorially, i A IMISSIONARY CONTROVERSY, Q.—~Novw, prior to this tino, M, Bazclier, had thers Deein nis oceaviou swhen Tittonl aud youreeif hind curno {uto xouu competition or colilvlon” {n publle debate ¥ A—Yes, ale: 11190, . —What was it occarion 7 A.—Thn occasion wan L0 queation In Tlymouth Chwrell whetlier wa would contribute fands to tho Americon Joard of Commis- #lous for Forelgn Missfons,—a debato I iink of threa duyn, and which torminated, T think, by a goueral meeting (n the church. I dem’t know but two nighta {n tho lectire-room, aud the third i tho church, Lat thiat 15 ot fmportant, Qu=Wzs it an occaston af publicity ond {nterest 7 A~Xeu} Lca glve you a brief wtatomont i you do- slre, ,—Tho general point in controversy was what? A, —The gencral pulnt fu controversy wus whethor Plym- outh Ohurch, which bad sigualized its devotivn to the antislavery causo, should contribute to the Ameri- can Misalonary Assocfation exclusively, which was sn autlislavery society, or shouwld divide ‘its contributions botween tliat Sociely ond the Amerlean Board, which then was acousad of being pro-slavery or * trimming,” Tlat gavo rise to an anlmated discussion, and 1 did not apeak ou the subject during tlo tno ft was in tho leeture-rootn, but Ald {n the Church, aud was replied to by Tiltou, Q.—Aud on that occasion thero was connlderable an- tagonism botween you and Tilton,in views and in their expression? A.~Yes,sir; but notiing that transcended ' what Toeo berw fu court ot all, [Lauglter,] Thers was s perfectly kindly feeling, oxprossed sometimes rather positively, (Ienowod Jeughter.) ,—Now, on tin_ question, which side wers you on, and which side Tilton? A.~Tilton wis Iu fuvor of throwing ovee the Ameriean Doard, snd [ was fn favor of ;ualntaining the right of my peoplo to coutribute to it € they wanted to, Q.—And had your Bocleyy hada hiabit of contributing tothat 7 A.—That wan tho ol Standing Board withs un, bub it wan througlimy grace nnd favor (hat the vilier one over got its cars insido tho church, for it waa & moat Ilnpn)iulnr thiug at that tine to puy & cont pecuniarily for Abolion purposes, Mr, Beack —The old Standing Board was antl- alavery 3lr, Beecher—Allsged to be, . Mir, Evarts—Aud Tilton was on the other side, for exclusive contribution to tho antlslavery? A.—I dout think tho debate was upon that,.sir; though, of conirae, that would be the morul effect, If I recolloct aright, Tilton conflned himsolf tu sbowlng that the Amorican Loard was in complicity with slavery, I think that was tho drift of his argument, Q.—Tho mstter was dubated betwocn you and him ? iy ‘was tho result In tho Church? A.—The Yolo wad in favor of sustaining the American Tourd, though botl of the Hocleiles wuro Leucficiaries of thy Church, and tha state of things was not to be stfeotod Dy tho vota of tho Church thun Lad upon it. Q,—Just aa it had becn—the purpose was to ent off 1he bonedt, aud the reaolution waa to perpeluata st ? A—Vorpotuate it, TILTON’S ALLEGED RIVALIY, Q.—As it wan, Now, on tlat occaulon, Mr., Daocher, on'or about that time did_you porcolye' in Tilton un geowing viema of sivalry or ablelt on bls part of rivl- ty? A—No,air. Idid not belicya any such thiug, Mr, Tieach W0 objoct to that, " “:} }lle»dmr—l Llioard b ofton sald, but T never be- oved i, Mr, Evarta—¥hy do you objoct? 31ir, Houch—Tecauso T don't think it proper, B, Evarta—It hsa all been 1 Tiiton's vxamination, Mr, Deach—I know you oross-otamined him on hat, but you' cant, got this witueas! " conclusions about it, Mr, Evarta—~All right, (To Mr, Bescher)—Now, at or about this time, this'was {n 1800 I believe, sbout %, di thiere como 8o b any luterruption by Tilton in the way of visiting at your lguse? A,—In 1800, dur- ing that period do youmean?, Q—About this Hine, Iam Dot apeaking of this fa connection withethia fime; not reforring to this, but only totufs olmo af X0 or'ly A—Yes, ale, Icsnt say'‘thore was any vory geast interruptio, bocauso Tite ton was not in the Labit of vhltlu{ much at iy house, It wan ot » particulac resart of Lis, W et af bls Liouss, somewhat Luter, or at the oflico, or in tha atreat, or Iu picturosliope, of wlierovr wo airood to 1naet, id thore coma to bo an occasioual porlod, which ba ceaned to bo visitor or calier at your Lou A—Yes, air; but 1 cannot fix thy date of that, ,—And from that ocosalon did you remark that his bouse? A—Ye, ale, Q.—Now, at this time early In May, was there an occasion i1 which Tilton performed any act of kini tican ot frienilsbipto you or your family that oapeclally finpreased you, and was {lio causu of your foellug anil ug gratitudo? A—Ilo was always doliiy ino kimilncases tuat wera vo u%nnble, but thera Il others, and that was very espclally valuable to mq Q.—And that was {u referonce toyour son? A,— ; peshiaps been sufliclently reforred to, Did'you foel tuat very muchi? A.—1 did and I o AT And did you o eapress yourself toward him 7 , sie, Tece ‘Afier the recess Tcechor ngain fook the stand. Mr. Evarte—Ttuad tho last queation snd answer, Mr. Btenographer, The ateuographier read it, aa follows: Q.—DId you feel that very much 7 A,~F did, and do, G Bid you so eapreas yourself toward bim? A,— dlg, atr, THE CLEYELAND LETTER, 3, Evarla—Iu 168, Mr, Boochior, or ‘8, When the Cloveland Letter, aud coinnenta of ' (ba Zndependent, which haye been'glven fn ovidenco, wera made publicy did that affect in auy way the relatious bolween yqur self wud Tiltou? A.—Undoubtedly it produced soue effect, air, Lut 1t &d not produce avy such edect au wociaily to Atfect us, TILTON'S FIRST CUANGES. Q.—Now, du you remenber about {had tims o tho ar ‘03 an'futerviow with Tiiton which had somelbiug o with aa Jutcrview BoLiad wilh Mr, Judeont A ~1 do, sir, Q.~Mr, Judson was a Witacss on the stand, you re- mambor, fn this cana? A.—No when hie'was exainined, Q.~I mean thnt Jidson who hsa baon n wiluess here, A,—Yes, slr, Q.~Naw, what occnrred Letwasn you snd Tilton on thut occaaton 7 A~ wenl to (ho Indevendent uifice with samo exeltement aud tald Thitan, Qi—You hiad acen Judnon 7 A—That Judson wan AL iy Bioure 1t mornig i b _roported that Til- toti, an I recullect now, nt o reataueant, whilo dintng, hiad taclo som +atanionts resposting ine_ which bara att tmputation of fmmorsilty, Ax I now recalleet, it 1wun w tatomont of some loosa” misconditct with wome “ny, but 1 cannot bs perfetly certain 1'camo right {o bim with tho 1 nomne lrong cxelamation, Horald It wax ot frue— Mr. Judson had mado somo mistake—{liat he swould &0 right out and o Judson, and know what the mat- ter meant, 1o want, aud, afler & me, returned, on 1 semembar, within ' short timg Dl agal o paldd §t uy all 2 muistako; tht Jivdson had exp ed, and it wan a mistake, sud Lo had never mia of auy suicl language with rospect to me, Q.~Did that cnd the matter? A,—Yes, sir, Q.—And romoved the fmpreasion from yonr mind that he hiad sald s ? Mr, Beacki—T ohjeet to that, Me. Lvarts—Well, we will not preesily TECONCILIATION, Q.—Was thin atout the Limo that he wrote you a 12 Look ot that lobter (dsowing witness a finper) and eay If you recelved {t frons Tilton at or abuat o timo 1" state, A—Shll 1 atato tbe clrcuinstauces under which 1t wan written 7 Q.—80 far mn they proceed from Tilton, A—~We had'some convorsation after that sbout wiiethor ho wan friendly, or not friendly, and ourterms of inters cuutse, It wann very graleful ono to e, ad satize factozy, nad It waa ralit between s ¢ % Thigt thero may be no misconception on either Mde, supporo you sreite and expruss your foelings 1o mo, ‘and I will ax- press mine to you,” and with thiat kipd of lovers' anarrel Lie wroto e this fetler, Tho Tetter was read, 1t boars dile, * Drooklyn, Mitnlght, #0th Novomber, '65,” and {s thia one I whicl "Tilton ka5 ho rogrote (Lot i has been compolion to T wan not present aprear aa Deeelier's antagoniat, befara tho public, twice 11 tha laxt vo years, aud tha “ I rither long ano ar Latoly, muy word af minc, whotlior apoken or printed, whether Jublls or privato, has given you patn, I beg you to blut ik fram your menory, anif to writo orgiveness dn its placo, Marcaver, If T should din, leaving yon alive, T axk you to lovo my childron for their fatlior's ake, who bns tawght {hent to reversuco you and {o regard you n o man of mew," Mr. Evarta to Wituess: Q,~Fram fho perid one ward from 1560 to the month nf Decombe: 1470, Alr, Meecher, what wero the habits na to meeting or ne— sociatingg fuons another's company bebween yout and Mr, Tilon? A—Will you mention tho duten ayain Q.—1'rom 1563 onward to the monih of Diecember, 181 A Wellairywo were in quite fromient assocration p to erhaps (e Year 1870, 1 miet hiin i New York, and Lot him b ds “owit hoiwo, sud 1 mot him at divers tectiuys on publis occasions, D you vanciuber i tho yeae aftor you tno elirype of the Chritan Laton, In the Legimuing of 1530, and ou through that year 1870, did the fact of your ety the editor of a rc\l‘;lulln poper lu the same city make uny dlferenco aither i 1o frio ageasions of Sour incotiug with ‘Tilton, who ing tho Judependent » 3r, Teack—I thluk that calls for tho Iudgment of the witness, Wo waut facts with regazd to thele Intf= macy or interconcro without axking his witneas to des tertituo what was the ause, without stating fucta, Witness—tWoll, T wil ntato facts, Qe—Hubsequenit to that timo what wan the cano? A, tad wo_ oceasion from July untll tho end of tio yeur, from January to that flme, "I hava 1o recollece Unn aout eilher partioutur intimacy or absence of it Q.—Yes? rton—Yo apeak of 70 do you? her—Iu the year 'TH, sir, THE WOMAN-SUPFRAGE DUSINEYS, 2tr, Evarls—Do you remenbor, 1 the wiufer of *70, any ciroumstances s tat brougbt yoninto connece tlonn with hipy $u regard to diTerout womau. snifraie Int nacociations, or du 692 A.—That was the year 'y, air, Q.—Well, How was {hat matter of theso woman letiea? " A.—~In the auswer in roferouca o you nigan? : Q.—Him and you, wnd your relations to aoclotios 7 Mr, Boach—T dont ece” how this cannection with thews Lwa rovletlea can bo el as fmportaut Licre, cxe cept bo far aa it hud connection with Tilton, Mr, Evarta—That' atl T propose to do, 3lr, lioecher—\Wo co-operated on tho subfect until *m, e Laving mcotings at s bLouss of what w: eslled tho Bqual Itighta Ansoctation, Thore were sove eral forma of tue moveinent, uyder different nawos, andin 1569 what callod tho Boshon wing of the for male suliragista had o convention in Cieveland, nnd formed 5 Nationaldssociation, of wideh I’ was elocted Presideut, uot knowlug that thore elafmed o Vo anotlior National Assactation i New York called (o Now York wing, and I thus fouud ‘mynalf botwoen two fomale Natlonal;Soulotics, — —— was Presidont of thie one, and I wis Providont of tho olber. Afior [ liad conentod.to lot my namo go. bofora the Conven= tlon, T rocollcet haviug discusilony with Tiltou, aud that’ e was very urgent thot I should mot dolt, aud gbmost poramdid mo to smd n fele fram “withdrawing my msmo. = Afier tho for- wmation of that svelely, and beforo tho nest 3 thorough _organization into n Nationa Soclety, by tha absorption of the Equnl Rightn Soclet into a natlonal one, woa farmed in Now York, and Tif- ton was olected Proaldont of that, and, in the bay an~ nivorsarios of 1872 wa nppoared 'respectively at the Lead of our charges In two contiguous Lulls in Nuw York, and exchanicd lattezs of coriesy, ovurtur pro- ceedings from him {0 us, and (hon courtoous replics from ns (o him and his askoviates, 3, Boach—Tho May aniversary of 18702 Witneas—1870, I think it was, Q.—Thero has a lcttor beou put n evidence alroady, M, Beecer, from yori 10 Tilion on tLis subject of rie ligious_ophiiion—raligious cxperience, Thia oxtilit 3954, as ull veady, Look nt tltat, pleasu (hunding gilisens papor) o i to Yecall o uuitice of tio leder. A—( veeall tho lotor, sir. Now thial refera—that starts with referring to n conversation, docs It not? A,—Yes, ir, TIAT DPORTRAIT. QI will tako, hiowevor, anothor branoh of the mat far bofore I bring that in i1 that conncetion, I will go o with personal matterd, Q.—Do you remeinber an occurronco of sliting for o porizait by thaurtlat Pavs? A do, Q.—When was that 7 A.—I wlil havo to look at my methoraudum, v got it Lera, .—I supposo there 1a uo objection? A,—In the fall ke inter of 1900, O ’ Q.—How did that come nliout between you and Tii- ton? A.~Ibhaveno distiuct renembranco oxoept that Lo was doslrous of havingmogo to Iagoaud sit for wny poctrait, , Q.—\Waa Iago a friend of his? A—Yes, elr,—T mup- poe ., slr. Ha spoke and talked s good deal of i, Q.~\Was hio a frionid of yours hefore that thna? A,— Well, bs magricd a woman in Uartford fn whom all aur faully wero Intoreated, aud I had met bl o few 1nee, (.—Glvo me the numbar of times that you sat far that portrait? A.—I cannot givo the mumbor, 1t was & very grost number, I would not bo willing to ray It was over Afty, but I should bardly bo willing to 83y it waa loes Q.—And was_Tilton thero st any timo? A~Not unroquently, Boveral timea ho came there, Q.—And after that was finisliod, did you sea it in Tilton’s houno? A.~I cau't tell you, &ir, My im- prossion is that T ald, TILTON'S PLYMOUTI CHURCIT MEMDERSHIP, * Q.—Now, Mr, lcecher, what was tho relation be- tween Tiiton and yoursolf and Plymouth Glnreh fron: your early acquaiutunce with ulin, wlien ha becattia & menber of tha church, aud Low was Lo &é to carlug for tho roligious dutioa uf'the church, and of s conneo- tions {n tho early days? A.—Iu to early days—L cas not eay wheu ho Joined, It was early, Aly fme presslon s he fotiod tho cliurch botors ha was martled, fn 1851, No: it was his wife who olncd church i 1851, ‘previaus to hls wnarrisge, T have very Hitle recollection of lus cone tiction with Uia curai provious, * 1 ouly kow o was, at o very early day, elther tho Superintendent or Boeond Bupetlutaudent’ of tho Sunday-school, noil I remember lio usod to be in our Friday night prayer- suoetings, which wera also conversation meotings or conferances, and ho used {0 take part in fhem, I Jooked upori him as ono of the men who was deatinud to be very usatul, eapecinlly in Habbatl-reliaol work, Q.—Up to abiout what time did this cordial or dovout velation to the church continuo? AT thiuk, alr, fhat sbout tho time Tilton bogan to be a pul speaker ha found himsell so much abecnt and so niuch oulled tpon that bo gradually foll off from at- teuding church, Iwhould say somewhere about 160, whon bio_ahscutod hlinselfs but that in & nuraer of bis employmeuts, aud in the naturs of them, it was not in hils way to beat church couslantly, as porsoun who lived horo all the (ime, Q.~When did you first kuow of any modifieation or changen of religlous opinlon on wutiers of faith or of chured orgunization snd actlon? A.—Well, T think it wanalter heand 1 wera on the Independent tagether, Q.—How qften wera theuo matters (ha subjoct of cou versation and coufercnce? A,—~Not la the way your question Impiles, The gondral thenio of rellylous lifa and belfef was 3 wmatior of couversation, snd & great deal that was morw particularly in its ‘Telatlous to paychology, tho practical dovelopmont of i, snd fts adaptation to the prosont tine in which we lve, I never rocollect Lo havo had & striotly doctrinal conver- satlon with him, —~rlor (o tho time this letter was written, n 1667, had'you become aware of chamges fu hin religious faithi or doubt tn his mind concerning tho subetance' of ita forms of falth 7 A.—~I Lad, Q.—Io what way did you hocome aware of that? A—I fonnd that his wifo wan diatressed on tho mattor, T'waa callod as pastor to confer about it, [ never ex- postulsted with him, snd so brought it out, I ao- eauntad it slmply the deift which a faltuful mind takes ofien whon passtng tbrough (rausitions from tmudis tional bellefs, and T botloved that timo and experionco would rectify it, Q.=It wau in that period {hat tho latter waa writieny A.~In that period, but tho l‘?flt’lll occantou for it, §f T don’t misremeiber,—I etato it subject to correction,— after assuniluy tho responsibility of the Chriatian Unten, thers nmmml oud or two artioles— Q.—0! the Independent 1 A,—UL the Independent, T should say, Thers appeared oue ur two articies whicl exelled v J REv: sz, m‘m{ personsl knowledgo, and oxcited distrust of him, which I thought wae nn over-measirs, aud was also injuring the /ndependent, aud the fndeperudent was always dear 1o mo, and it wax brouglit horme to o because Jo. thoe Northwest, whers my brother, tho Rev, Edward licecher, Yved, I was held reapouiatio for the abersationy, Q.—Fur Tiiton 7 A,—Yus; itlod mo to have somo couversations with biw, I don't recolisct them ludi- vidually, I only recall them as connocted parcly with the anticty of his houschold, and parily as connected with his sucooss In his couduct of the /ndevendent, sud wy general ides was not $n the slightest degree ta clrouniscribe Liberty of investigstion, bLut to put him on his P“"d ngaitist accopiing und acting upou utiripa conciusions, Q—Aud it was in_that stago of knowledgo on your hlll opintons that this lettor was writlon 7 sle, " ————— THE BEECHER-TILTON INTIMACY, 18 YINST ACQUAINTANOE WITIC MuS, TILTOX, 3Ir. Boocher dld not romember that he knew Mra, Morso boforo Tiltou’s marrisge. Ie ouly know Miss Richards as belonging to o wet of girls who wont to achool with lis daughtor, Tho ago of bis daughter he could out give within ten years. All ho could remember was that aho way — Tho man Lo i 4 born beforo ho went to Tudinnapolls, riago of Tilton ho romembered as beantiful picture. Could ot say how AoOn afyy that ho was breught into theje lmm“ They thon | lvad in Oxford n(reu: After that he visited them frognent, Iy, Daving boon gently ang Kind, urged by e, Tillou. In 1800 bo bogan fg 1) vory much with Mr, Tutun in ccn-aquencno; tholr Jolnt oditorial Inbars. Tilton apoke Binp), and admuingly of his wifo, and Lo L:uul.’y Pliata Dlenmad provirion 1t wan it avory i SUAHE h i i1 ol e o I o "Tilton told Wi £ % There 1s -y, iNtto dombii0 Wrid, my hious r. Hore 00 that he Aequ i Tiltou. On hin return from Burage ha 0 With VRESENTED MER WITIL A BRAZILIAY 10 rememberad tho clrcumnmumlrmnn.xr:}“-'i' sl lionglt tiey Wore some pilin for ber ek st Whilo they wero living at Mrs, Moran's, nnd af. sl oved futo Laviugaton stroot, ho vialiel thep o ey déal, After # Notwood was written Moa . 8 & 1t vrs Wully, and lu conacqienca af swhat aij bavtd prescnfed hier witl & picttteo Tralling Artn oL discovered it fn Iowtan, Mz, Deacher mage, g 310 yosed, prescuty tu thiely or forty pornans after g turn from Eiirape—~riciula of tha family anq ey > wwham o know, t wan bis Labit it thons: daye od I dldl call on tio “Tiitons, to- o 80 b the mepg e U way 10 oF froin tho ant-Olice. Tta hai s (3.3 f imeKing calla o tho svening, Trar ot o bt itid wot nee Tiiton whien ho ealled sttt Loure, s, 20 1810 he tack Mew, Tilton out (0 ride. — 11o e o713 o bair of Qg grazs, A {t ot belnir o o iakogutsd up ta his furm, lio culled at Thtons e e 3 morning with b gy, und drove Men, T, ogy o8 prk, Another {ino bis called, whon Mew, o deco bt oo, Tiiton urged hor, saylng: Wiy go o 1 gour Ilingn ™ Arid sho aid no, To August 'dy jf0 itlo ut Leekaklll, ho roceived a'Hittlo note from yot Tilton, At hier ronuient ia went (0 500 lior, | gy i aiok, o camo taLown nininly fosea tier, 11y T ale agg lior ‘i tlio recolving roomn of tho houno, despondont, Blio mado o statemont that £ i AERY MLOU DEPRESAED IN RpIRT fiha soemed to bo Wko one swho wantod to taik gy could uot, Hun confurrod with hiim, and be (oit] it her, and cheerod lier tho bent vy ho coll "Jet 1zt day o called_agaiu, bt AUo Al no s | seniing duwn a noto tiiat ¥ Ta the futura all wegty: right ™ During that summerprior to Decerlyg 35,0 ho did not have any further meelingn with Mry, 1, ton, Tho lay fover usualiy loft him {n Ootober, oo peraon wan 8aid to ba fres from it until tho fire} fr, ter November st fis Lo alwayn fult that bo oy (o0 #elf again, _ Ator atiout {hio middlo of Diceraler, 1oy Bio saw Nre, Tillon {n consoquoiico of & riaus from =~ her mother, Tho hictsenger icsalo Turner, Mrs. Tilion wan then" wiy mothir, aitd whiat Beanls Turucr rald was the gy 3 thnatlon Hecelior had of the separation of Me, 1, ton from her Lome. Tio wont fo Mrn, ong 4y fopuid llah lady g Mo, Tiltou fogetluer, .—Now, what was ths {ufoeview between ton and yonrself ou that oceaslot 7 e 7 Iicach objected, nnd long argument ensuey 3y to whother tha converaation between Beeclier ang ), “Miton sbould b admitiod 1" ovidence, Sr.iay nally withdrew his objection, aud LECHEY dndna falowaz iy varts—Now, Mr, reclier, you were e und waw d1ry, Motey kid Aer m‘f.?.":;'{ ol wera alono with thein, I supporo? A—Yer, i, (2.—=Now bu 80 oo ad to state what occurred ik A,~Tho converation wan very llttio with My, Ty It wan almant outirely wilth Bira, Morao it 3o, 130 to's presence, 1t consisted fn general reproscatatips {0 mo of tho grest unlbappinoss of that family, Q.—0f Mrv, Tlion's fuurily? A—OF Nex, Tillay fantlly 3 of in treatment of ‘hin wife, which wie bry boric,as the mothier thoustht with aogolic paties . LIt \tan i longer toleratie, and ab 1ant ohe byl ooy driveu 2 the roolution of leaviug him, und fhy wiahed counsel of wo w8 reapccled the gy pristy of such an ot ns bt I o comparallvoly fow remarks. Tho Inferview w ps Tong, Tratd, %This fe o caso 0 which I fed tua) i cau't give Lost counsel. 1tis a cane, it seanaty me, whors s woman fa needed, and if you willa tio'T ntiall bo lad to briag my wifo andles b b £ar I iink much of her Judgicnt about suet thisy Lliey botly agenmed quits excitod, ploaancably. Morse sadd, % Will_sho coma? 1 'will blow ker, if sty will come, a8 loug an Tlive,” T malil, Burcly she vi] come f 1'wish ber,'” and that coustifutes nbuut ol ¢y Arst luterviow, 3Mr, Desch—If Your Tonor please, T onghi to that, linving withdraw ny objection nud periiiied by converaation (obe givon, thut tho same princigle of sction will lsad me to withdraw tho objeetion whid 1 mado o ati Intervivw botwecn wituoss and Mizs Tow ner, 1 do withdraw that abjoction, and otler 1o czs, #elfho privilego of proving all that was el s &3 interview, Mr, Evarts—Now, Mr, Doeclior— 3tr, Fulleston—O0no moment, The rolation of ¥t took placo thore ought ta he satuid with particuluy, not in genern! term, that Mis, Moreo made b wre plaints agalust Lliton in rogard to tho fumily, 3r, Boach—Wa will get at that, 3r, Evarbi—Yon havos right'to cros-sumine that,” Thave noobjection. I witl ae¥ him. (Tovs ness,) Cau you sate more particularly, MF, Deecte, that convorsation? A,—I dou't think I cag, s, | Liavo only a generl rocolfection of it, A BECOND CONFIDENCE, Q.—Now when did you noxt seo s, Tilton fa o nectlon with this subject, and with whoi, aud whi oceurred there? A.—I {liink 1t was tho noxt diy, s, with my wife, I visited thom, ~—You communicate:l to your wife what had iy peiiod, Tsuppose? Al did, 2 Q.—Aud then you Went togattior 7 A,~To watis gether, -And whom did you soa 7 A.—3lrs, Morss &l s, Tilton, Q.—What gecurred then? A.~T am not clearuls the “whole, Tho two circimatances that Lrerall {hat after a fow goneral remorke, and wiit they vey 1 don't romemter, Mrs, Tilton went up-clairs withey wifo, und thioy had an fnterview by themscives, kg Morso atayiog with mo and repeating— .—Well, o matter, A.—Charges, ote, Thenatiz, 1 sliould thiink, about ‘half an hour, Mre, Tiltoa cizd down and Mra, Morue— 3ra., Beeoher como with her? A,=No, g, And Alrs, Morse went up to seo Ler by herself, larif hor— Q—Went up to sco Mrn, Boocher 7 A.—Yes, s tal myself, I havo a recolloction of only one singls tbisg that T Anddl to Mea, 'Tilton, Q.—When alono? A,—Whon alone, ¢ owis 'l sxid, *that ILavobeen so fong with you, ind 13 nover nlluded hefora to mo about disiess fn yor hounchold 77 And sho sald that slio—ber general iz uwer, I cannot give hes, words, was that alie eougbtts conccal 4t fa hope' thnt ' the diftculty wod puad+away, and then I talkod to her in ropet 4 Lonweboid " relutians, - 1 recolioct mving et =t couael oa to bearing and continuing patleal 14 [etienco hava er, vorfoct work ¥ anc X Joined wid vt {0 prayor, and moat of tho thno that Tws v ber T was ’r‘mmmz withs her., Q.—On this occuslon 7 A,—While my wifo and ¥k Morae—thelr {ntorviow was not n prolonged o= wero up-atairs, Q,—Waell, did yonr wife and Arn, Morss relzra¥ 4ho ‘room whers Mrs, Tilton was? AT donk member about 3rs, Morso, My wifo came dori- atairs, and, after somo few general zemarks, I asid, bobalf of myself aud wife, that wo stoald thiok L4 over and o very sbort tmo give them som word ; that probably we would sco them sgala. ANOTHER VISIT, The next day, after tho consnitation with my*is 8146 waa to go down again, and sho wnt down wal ‘Was in company, 1 Q.—That is, when you had company at your kocst A=Yes, air ; T wus taliing with soveral, Bhehudbit Uliingw on, 80 camo aud asked m ibatibt wan golng down, I could not alindo to U without belraying ft, I went to my fable and ¥rts & littls scrap, saylngs "X fnclina to thivk that Y057 Tiow 1a right snd thee soparation aid soldlement support (undorscorud) witl oat, 3{: Pvarta (to witnusa). I’ your viow," Jou a3 Ara, Boorhur's view? A.—I do—did, Adjournud, e BEECHER AND BOWEN. FIiGT ACQUAINTANCE, % Q.—When did you first bocowmo soqualstel with If. O, gowon? A.—In tho yesr 1 that Is tho year that I camo to Brooklyn. Q.—Aud what relation had ho to tho socltf &t ohurch to which you woro then catled ? A.—fl: swas ona of tho otiginal members, and » lesdiss man, Q.—0! tho now church 7 A.—Of tho pressh church, sl Q.—And, Lad you any businces rolations 5 in what conuootion oxcopt ns pastor of church ? A.—In conncction with the Im dent, snd in ondioatanoa with tue eqaippisk o regimont which L'lymouth Church subsisd Iy raised at tho oulsat of tho War. e Q.—Was Bowen tho proprietor or past ProP tor of the Independent during the period of JOurLE nection with 1% °A.—Ho was tha co-prop Fletr W5, 1 lnu;::lnurndlluflll oliatr, and 1 think ho bocane e qumma it you etz A-Yenst s L'am fuformed; —W i o and frienis 2% weokin I cano ” and fo el of ho flacal atfairs of (8 chure! alior Q.—-Illmrln the pm‘a\: that ynl: v-Au e bl aper how elose your iotercourve? A I;ufut dall; = inay bo satd fo hiave beew 767 .—And hia family slso? A=Yes, #if; L AW i faumil it omr?. AomSobso 2 Q.~When was your contection on any JuistE 2o wiili Duwen dissolyed, nud in what niuyner T Yol mean iy b"l'"\'x"lfx‘hmfi':'m“f.ufu nrm o ‘= ., —Yes, A,—Tnliould say Buploniber. ug ‘ncconting to contract of the end of tho coutrad Hoplember, 1817, o —VTiof 10 that time, hiad wuy affitule of S5 T papor toward yourscl! wmado suy difference disposition to Bowsn 1 A.—Yes. X o Q—What was thiat? A—Well, do you s led o Sually to break olf from tho PAIRET o et Q.—Yoa 3 T usk what srone between 4 -‘g] St yourself that lod to your dissolution with 0y A—During the period of recoustruction WE s, thioy wore called, and after 1 had left tho JAgRL, oy 1 pursued & llue’ whieh cawsord thew €3 €Hcy, with tors or leza decision, and fu 1830, W TIK CLEVELAND LETTRH, ™ 18y led, whicts was wribien i AUBD ndent criticisod mo in 8 inaunet A at » time whon {hia whole publio pretty Ibc Uy my coption of the Domocraths prty, were WA SH.g Dint'T elt that uat [ lid glves P ot froum lw Lirth wax S oy <% kuow that sclf-respoc Histons '":h 'wrul' o ¥ cutract tontdl truc i 9 # QAT Gt potut Wit wag. ho forms 48 LS your obllgation's” A,—I waa under coatract 4.