Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, November 15, 1874, Page 10

& man pawrolling a beat covering the terricory be- tween Lake and Madison and Sheldon” and Halsted that distret, The moment he bas left a point the burglars, knowing he will noz be ihere agaio for au bour, | g 1o nae a httle extra exertion, - s 10 THE CHICAGO DAILY TRIBUNE: SUNDAY, officials ought, at least, to see that every dis- charged couvict takes the train for home. With wany of those coming here stealing 18 a necessi- tr. A man ecotenced from Chicago for ten years at the ond of bis time geta only $1.40, just ‘enougls to pay his fare to ths city. What can he do? Steal, of coursei SUFVICIENCY OF THE POLICE FORCE. Reporter—Do you regard the police force of the city suflicient to properiy ptotoct the prop- O Rehm—T am frank to say that T do not, 3 I can satisfy any one of the fact. One i :v.nauce 1 will n{ms on the West Side, whers a singlo officer bas the beat on Halsted to Contre avenue, and from Polk to ‘Cwelfth. To cover this territory properly would require fire mon, yet one mau is mnow doing the work the best he can. On the North Side policemen are required to travel from niue to twelve blocks. With sucha line of duty they cau do very little toward the protectiou ‘of the ubhe. P Ropertor—What is the extent of the polios foree of thocity ? E Mr. Rebm—Five hundred aud sixty men. The wght force is about 225,—kalf of whom only are ou duty at once. OTHER CITIES. Reporter—Do you know auything of the police forco of other citios as compared with Chicago ? Alr. Reom—New York Las & polics roroe of 1,500 men, who cover 22 square miles ; Chicago, with sbout one-third the number, is expectea to cover (2 square miles, whic is utterly impossi- ble. > Iteporter—Then you maintain that the polico force is ;nadequaté 10 Lhe proper protection of the propa:ty of the aity? Mr. Relrm—Yes, sir. If the force wers donbled, thero would not be a sparo man, and even then the city would not enjoy the same immunity from thiever and highwaymen that is eujoyed by New York. 5 Teparter—Keve you experienced suy difficulty in making your foice eflicient on account of the Stato laws ? C AMr. Rehm—Yas. eir, the arrest of any oue EXCEMC OPON A WARRANT. For the violation 0f the law seven members of thie force are now sued for 1alse arrest. ‘The fact is, the law is a terror to tho force! While thoy may know & man to Ge a desperate character, they dare not arrcet im! The law of New York in force in the city would greatly facilitate the labors of the polica forca, Thoy could then arrest motorious chaisaters upon suspicion. without incwrring the res poneibility of proving the charge, and runviog th1e risk of beiug sued for false arrest. Such a lavv in force in the city would encourage the force tv do ita duty without fear or favor.. 4 Teporter—You would like st\h a law in force? Mr. Rehm—Certamnly. Witk such a law the city could be made secure against burglars and bad characters at much less expi:nte than under the preseut regime. g THE CAPTAINS OF POLICE. THE WEST DIVISION. The reporter then called upon Capt. Sam Ellis, of the West Side, and conversed wii'lt him as follows : Reporier—Captain, is there any special feature worthy of note in the present criminal agaect of thecity ? Capt. Ellis—Tes. Within the last two wioks I have noticed a large increase in the numbiw of burglaries. Reporter—To what do vou attribute this ? Capt. Ellis—I always remark the same thing at this season of the year, and it is quite easy of explanation. During the summer the thieves ud burglars visit other cities, and attend the Stato and county fairs. At abont the Ist of November you will always notice an ncresse in burglaries and robberies of at least one-third over the sum- mer average. Itis just now that the overcoat, buffalo-robe, and general sneaz-thief business begins, and continues uoti about the 1st of April. It is the same iith the confidence men. This is their harvest time, too, wnen the country folks come to town to gell their produce and buy goods. Reporter—What do you do specially to deal with this increase of crime? Cart. Ellis—The only thing that can be done At this season of the year I always iustruct the men with re- gard to the pecaliar kind of work which tho in- flux of thieves will call upon them to perform. It was only last night that I told all my men that I would hold them personally responsible for the burglarics which took place-on their beats. I mast say that the men are working for me with awill. They are ready to do ansthing they esn for we. Reporter—How is it that o fdw arrosts and cénvictiona of Lurglars take place ? Cap:. Eltlis—I'he great trouble is, that the ter- ritory which onr men are obliged to cover is too large for them. On the West Bide, some of the men have to patrol beats eignt blocks CRIME IN CHICAGO. Investigation into Its Extent and Cruses. Interviews with Police Officers, Police Justices, Etc. A General Opinion that (he Force Is Too Small, Disagreeing Statements as to the Amount of Crime. . Apparent Necessity for a New Vagrant Law. Resnlts of Allowing Appeals. Tgr Tareose published Thureday morning s choice collection of burglaries which had taken place on tho West Side. A few day previous it noticed an alarming number in the vicivity of Lincoln Park. From day to dav, as they wero tearned, it bas chropicled other instances of burglary or robbery. The aggrogate, large as it is, does not give the total number, or anything like it. Under the present svstem, the cases reported to the police are not given to reporters, sivce & publication of the fact might, it is eaid, put the criminals on their guard. This reason is often given, but it is hard to find that it has any value. In many cases those whose honses have been entered prefer to have nothing said about 1t ; they dislike publicity, and it is onlv by sccident that the mishsp is discovered and announced in the papers. Less than balf of the greater crimes against preperty find their way into print. Were all given, the total would be so large that the feel- ing of public anxiety, already acute enough, would be intensified. Thers would bo moro sit- ting up of nighte, more conceslment of valua- bles, aud more terror at every uncertain noc- tarnal sound. Tbis anxiety finds voice in a vague demand thst the police shall do some- thing, and the sesertion that the force, as at present landled, is incompetent. Bat the declarations of men who have been robbed are always a little onc-sided and unjust, and for the purpose of ascersaining, if possible, where the fauit les, a reporter of this paper has inter- viewed the Superintendent of Police, Police Captains, Justice Scully, the State’s Attoroey. and alko o gentieman of great experience in police matters, n order to get their Tiews on & sudject of such special intorest. It will be scen that their opinions—as might be expected—vary on ome poiuts, but that they geneially agree, Mr. Rehm sces no increase in crime: one of his rubordinates thiuks other- wise. Some think the faw aloue is to blame; ers buiievo the preseut force, properly hane dled. could do wuch uuder the laws as they stund. Al amee tnat the police force is too ewall, and that there are scrions imperfections iu the vagrant law. Wkether these tlungs will account for the apparent increase n crime, 18 for the reader to dezesm: AL wal agree that prevention is better than cme: the trustration of & Lutglary than the ar- rest of a burglar after be bas terified a famly, or poss=iblv wounded a member of 1t. T'o exrect The Iaw does not allow strects, to is to prevens expect burglaries in impossibilities. begin cperatious. To give one street edditional brutecuon is to dejrive another of it. ‘Lhe present force. whila 1t may do more than it now does, clearly cruuot do everyibing. » There arrived here yesterlay. or the day be- fore, or tle day beiore that, men known the country over as crimiuals. ‘They are seen upon the sireet by the. police, and are known the moment they get here. It is understood they live by ciime, and that & burglary or robbery is to Lapoen a8 curely as the aavent of a circus- agent weans & wig tent and acrobatic perform- ances. Ir these m'n were ricked up on sight and put out of barm's way, mach misclief wonld be avoided. Can tie polce do any- thing of that kind under the pregent law ? They certamly do not do very much. Capt. Lucklev epealis of the arrests made by bis men. | square. Our precent force 18 but 540 But he does not go far enongh. Thoze whom he | men for the entwe aty. It should be at least 1,000. Now, on the North Side the station ou Webster aveune, with only eight men, is responsible for the peaco aud safety of property of the distriot extending fiom Menom- once street to Fullerton aveuue, and from the niver to ihe lake. In New York there would be at Jeast fifty men in this district. Reporter—How 18 it that 80 few arrested burglars aod thioves are sent to the Peni- tenuary ? Capt. Ellis—One great trouble is the pro- fessional bailers acd shvster-lawyers. If a thief of any consequence is arrested, at least half a dozon professional bailers coma after him to bail hiw out, and, unfortunately, the Folice Justice is obliged to actept the bail. As 8oon as the thief is bailed out, Lio sets to work to try and steal the value of his'ond, and if be succeeds he forfeits it. Strange to say, the thieves are very honor- alle in their dealings with one another and the professional bailers, whoaro in many cases thom- solves thieves. TIE SOUTH DIVISION. The reporter next callad on Capt. Buckley, with whom he bad the following conversation : Reporter—Hyve you noticed auy incresse in burglarics, especially in tho residence-portion of your district, during the last two months ? Capt. B.—No. Reporter—How does the number compare with this time last vear? Capt. B,—Leus, Reporter—Have vou noticed an influx of thieves from other cities recently ? Capt. B.—No moro than usual. There are plenty of them here. Reporter—What are they doing ? Capt. B.—I can't tell you. Reporter—Have you sudlicient force to protect the property in your district? Capt. B.—I have not. i Rieporter—How many more men would you re- mrests are generally sneak-thieves, pocket- pickers, petty scamys, who go into larger opera- tions only as the {ools of abler men. But why— to give Capt. Buckley an iustance—does he not ariest Ed Burns, fresh frem Joliet, or Barney Aaron, "*Red Jim,” Sam Walters, Jimmy Hoey, Jimmy Murpby, Meony Marks, tho two Garniys! tho fellow who etarted to rob Campbell's hair store, Bill Dunn, or a dozen otliers ? They can be found avy duy on Clark and Madison streets. &c_z us Lave them fetched in to-morruw, Cap- in. 5 The police claim, and with justice, that when they arrest s profe:sional thief on suspicion, 1nd he 15 sent to the Badewell as a vagrant, immediately appeals, gives bonds, avd that ends the matter. Now, can they arrest bim ‘again, thoy say, on tho same complaint, till the appeal is disposea of ? Yet there musc be some per- fectly legal aystem ot worrymg these peoplo by consiaut’ arreste, which would graduelly drive them awav. rest 1d Burns, for instance, evcry Saturday night, and keep him titl 3Monday, of course sending uo word to any Justice to come down and bail Lim ont, and ses if be does not wesry of the business. To repeat, it is always the little thieves who are mclested; give the Dig ones o chance, and try the law with them. It ic doubtful whether the Superivteudent is right in measuring bis success by the amount of money reported recovered, forgettiog that peo- ple would greatls prefer not to have it stolen at all. Besides, these returns of property stolen are no index. ' They shiould bo eupplemerted by the complaints lodged et private dotective ofiices, and the newspaper advertisements offering to cumpromise felonies for 2 certain sum. g BUPERINTENDENT REHM. A FLEABANT VIEW OF TIE CASE. The reporter first called upon Jacob Rehm, Supenntendeat of tho Police, yesterday after- | quire? noon, to elicit whatever he bad in conmection ac"‘f.eé?-l want at lenst fifty moro on the outh Si with the recent burglaries committed in this city. The interview was aa follows: Reporter—What do you know of the many burglaries 1ecently committed in the city ? Mr. Rehm—I douot know that any burglaries, ore than ordiuary, have been committed. I am aware, however, of geveral of the cases cited in Tue Treuse Thursday morning, and in one case, that of Dr. Rea. I think we have the man. Ie was mrested Thursday at the Paliner House for the theft of & Lat of one of the guests. Reporter—Tho burglaries, then, are mnot ex- traordary at the present time? Mr. Rebm—No. kir ; 3 _ THE RECORDS WILL BHOW thi: i ‘Th:u ml:s we&k. bowever, Lag oxeoeded any week for the last three montus in hul.\?:lmes re%uxted.l 2 the number of ._Reporter—How will the burglaries commiti in the last three months cumpare wuhmm?sz :!l; )‘elax ’:zu ?I r. ltehm—Tn the last three months ab 33,000 woith of jroperty has been rep‘or?:: Molen, of which $25,000 has been recovered. In ls!xl%fi;r_ml-;paudmg three months of last year 107,495 in property was stolen, of which onl; Ea!.nl.obflfil:!n‘s lfieu recovered. a ‘eportar—Is not this a favorable ee: year I\iu' bmgl:rim? 250n pline 3 —Well, yes; fora certain class of :'h:,:-re commonly called burglaries. The fall ol © yearis alwaysthe hurvest tor petty thieves, ] enter dwellings in broad daylight and steal atever they can iay hauds on. The polico force is, of course, iuad: % Such chiaractons eptiaicdUAte to guard. sgaiost Repo:ter—Where wonld you put them ? Capt. B.—Principally in the outside precinets, —at Tweoty second street, Cottage Grove, and Deering strect. Reporter—You say thieves are abundant in town ; why o you not arrest them ? Capt. B.—My men arrest them every day. Reporter—What becomes of thom ? Capt. B.—T Lave four, five, and six before the Police Court every day, and they are fined. In some cases the fines cre suspended, and they are given & chanca to leave the city; the others are sent to the Bridewell. These zre professional thieves aud vagrants—the class of peobls who make their liviog 10 o other way than by steal- ing. iiepurter—])u you not think there are mare thieves in towa now than usual ? Capt. B.—No, I do not. XReporter—Have your men orders to pick them up wheu they see them ? Capt. B.—)y men bava orders to arrest every Lkuown thief they see on tho streets, and, if they bave no specific charge of larceny against them, to charge them with vagrancy. Rejorter—Your object is to got rid of them ? Capt. B.—Yea. I bavogiven the men orders to look into tne resorts of thieves, and to capture tbem if they are hanging nround those places, aod they are bringing them in every day. Reporter—Suppose a thief whose fine has E:;n?fluspflndefl 18 caught, what do you do with Capt. D.—~Arrest him and gend hi Endewell under the old execution. Szt THE NOLTE DIVI:IO: L hiarasters v Tho eneak-thioven bave b 4 crapngrter—Tion burgiazien aro noton the 10- | North Divieion, micht sad g HOrK. i0 the Mr. Rebm—No. brings reports of fresh raids, aud ovorcoats are The city buiglars as it ever was, o 20 29 Treo from THE LOCATION OF THE PENITENTIARS 50 neac the cicy ix a great misfortung, hawever. The law provides twat whon a couvie: has seyyod Lis sentence, h is discharged, ang provided with ust enoligh money to reseh his former home. Few of the discharged care to zo home, bat seck Cliicago 88 8 grana centre for their operationp, The ety is troubled a great desl by tnese char. acters. who often enier wto bwigldrious com- biuations bofore reaching here, Reporter—You would, tnen, like to be rid of such & population? Mr. Rehm—Yes; aad I think the State etands A is8 own light in tho niatter. Tho Pemtentiary mourned when the nosthern blast is blowiug. Tho chiel work has boen done around File ey avenue, Bissell and Fremont stiects. Cap:. Guod was vieited hy o PRIBUNE reporter lust: Diglt, ard they bad a talk ove: the lax condition of aflairs. ‘The Captain snid, eubstantiallv, that the North Divizion was not much prered upon, except in the far outlving districs. Oune cause of tho sneak-thief outbreak was the weazness of the police force, especizlly in the precin s utder bis command. Most of tha odicers had to 7atrol a square mile. aud, under such ciroqme. Stances, it was impossible for the police to comn upon thieves in the sct, eapecially an tho rornes Lad seuunels ou the lookout most of tho time. | The thieves also had tho sdvantage of knowing where and when to wa'ch, while the police had, in most 1nstances. to trust to blind luck. Sergt. McAunley had only ten available men in bis large district, and only eight of these could be msed for = night-patrol. The officers_were well worked, but they wero 100 fow, and that was the true reason of the thioving that was carried on. In the “heart of the North Side, whero the police wero compara- tively bumorous, very listle stealing or burglary was reported. i STATE'S ATTORNEY REED. HIS REMEDIES FOR THE EVIL. In conversation with a promisent Court-House official yesterday, who ia very well posted in such matters, s TRIBUNE reporter learned that the alarming [ncrease in the number of crimes against person and property waa becomiiz & common subject of conversation. He con- sidered thot the reason of the presence of 8o many thioves in Chicago was the fact that tho city was fast gaining tho reputation of being the hesd-centre of gamblers, burglars, and other Linds of thieves. He stated *’ 't the reason of go small a proportion of puwmshmeots to the crimes committed was dus partly to tho indifference of ~ the sufferers to undertak- ing the trouble of prosecuting the arrest and indictment of those who had wronged them either in person or estate, and partly to the fact that the Polico Courts allowed many criminals to escape, or held them over in bouds quite in- adequate to the crime thoy stood charged with committing. Tme TRIGUNE reporter then called upon Siate's Attorney Reed, aud had a conversa- tion with him upon the subject, as follow: Roporter—3ir. Reod, I think it ia a pretty well underatood thing that at the present time there i8 an enormous amount of the burglary and gea- oral robbery class of crime perpetrated in Chi- cago. g:na‘a Attorney—Well, for my part, I don't know that there is,—thst 18, judging by the crime inal docket I fail to fiud any marked increaso. All I can speak about is what comes under my notice hero. TReporter—Well, granting that the increase ex- ists, even thomgh the criminal docket does not give evidence of ita existence, to what canses do you thiuk it is due ? State's Atrorney—The chiof cause 18 THE BCABCITY OF MONEZ amoog the masses. The bavks, I understand, have lots of money, bat there is not the Lusiness doiug toremoveit from the banks' coffers to the pookets of the poor. I naver saw a time in Chicago when so many people wore out of em- plovment. 1never kiew s time when I had so many applications for empioymeut a8 Dow. These aro averaging steadily a dozeu 2 day, and it fs quite out of my power to assist the appli- cants. Reporter—Then do you consider that the majority of the robberies and burglaries we hear of nowadays aro committed by the unemployed, with bread and butter as the inspiring object ? State’s Attorney—I do. The people who are committing theso crimes are not babitual crim- inals, We have fewer of this clase on hand at present than 1 can remember st tie same time in any previous year. Among them are A LARGE NUMBER OF BUYS, ranging from 14 to 18 years of age. Reporter—Yet we Leéar of very few of these boys reaching the House of Correction or Peni- tentiary. State's Attorney—Although some of these boys are among the most dangeroua of crimiuals, it i a very dimficuls taing to convict them, on account of the sympathy which thetr youth ereates in the hearts of the jury., Itisa mostdiflicult problem to kuow what to do with theso boys. Not more “ban one-fifth of those who appear before me b ave ever come under my notice wevoral times ba.fore. The common practice bas beeu to haud the.mover to their pareuts or legal guardiaus, wite o suspense of senience for theur finst of- fense s i Rep. orter—Do you think that THE LAWS Of THE STATE reiating" to criminals as at prescus on the statute- book are® Satliciently strong to meet the cure ? State's Attoruey—With cne exception they are. ‘The.reis no law at preseut, either statute or common 1aw, {0 pumsh & persob who prosents a pistol, rev.JiVeT, or gun at Auother in a threai- euing manna 7 when it is proved that the wasuon is not losaed. The burden of the proof resws bow with the 3rusecution. Reporter—1 N8 should be - remedied then, sbouid it uot ? Btaie's Aviorn\\y—I have prepared a law to be presented at the .Liegislature next winter, where~ by any one who p-usents gun, pistol, or revolver ai another, even ‘though the weapon be not lcaded, is guilty of mmsdemeanor aud Lable to imprisonment. Rejorter—Then yon do not think Mike McDonald can be punisbed for his attewpt upon the life of Jumes McGaivy ? Buste's ALLOrNey—AQ: A8 the law at procons stands. I bave no douht in my own muud that the pistol which McDouah1 held was loaded, bat, if the prosecutiou fail to oy Lve it, nothing can be done. Reporter—Novw, I would I'ike_to find ont yonr opinion as to the becessity o adyisability 1 this city of = law sumlarto thuik in foice in Now York, whereby the police are ¢ mpovesed to ABBESZ ON 81GH\T any porson Lkoown to be & cri n{lnl.l character, aod make bim account for bimsel f. Scate’s Attorney—I am decidedly in favor of such a law ae the habitusl crimina:f laws of En- pland. It works adwmirably in I\sgland, and lv:'(mld. I doubt not, have very beneticial effect ere. Reporter—Wcula such & law be lqzal under our Conetitution ? Btate's Attorney—I think it wounld. 1" sm of opiuion, however, that arrest on sight would not be tho thing. - It would, I think, Lo neceaiary to procure a warrant for the arresf. But if \» man who i3 knowa to bo a habitual crimiual is found hanging round with no visible means of supy.ort, thero ig no trouble in having him arrested. T\hey run them in as vagrants now, and punish thooy for vagrancy, whereas they ought to recoive a much heavier punishment. I would like to see vagrants divided into two classes,—the vagrant otdinary, and the criminal vagrant, with & pun- tebiment suitatly henvy for the lattor clags, © | RBoporter—What other remedy would you sug- gest tor tho diminisnment of crime in Chicago? State's Attorney—There i one thing in this city which cries loudly for change. TIE MOLICE FORCE I8 NOT LARGE ENOUGH for the immense area which Chicago covers in propostion to population. ~Now York bas treblo the police force for the same area that we have. We waut st leass 100 policemen added to our force. We bad to learn from Gen. Bhaler, of New York, that tho great lack of tho Fire De- partment was extra engiues and moro men. It 13 not necessary to go outside the city for an opin- ion 84 to where the weakuess of the police force lies. The police forco of Chicago is an excel- lent one, save in one respect, that it is not large enough. Improvement in this respect should be immediately accomplished. —_— JUSTICE SCULLY. WIHAT HE KNOWS OF THE SUBJECT. The repozter next called npon Justice Scully, at his private officc corner of Madison and Union streets, when the following conversstion en- sued : Rerorter—Do you not find, Judgs, that thers is a great deal of burglary aud robbery going on 1n the city just now ? Justice Soully—No. I find the number of criminal cases coming bofore me just now very emall indoed. I liar of the committing of a great many burglaries, but the parties commit- ting them do not appear to be arrested, save in very few instances. Reporter—To what do yon attribute this? Justice Scully—The trouble is the small size of the police force 28 compared with the work we expect of them. We ought to have two po- licemen for every one at present on the force, There is one improvement I would sugeest in the present fcrce, and that is, tne organizin g of a v CORPS OF MOUNTED POLICE to do duty in the commercial postion of the city and the wuburbs. Just compare tho police officer at 8 or & o'clock in the morniug with the barglar at that hour. The lottor is tresh froma long sleep, has all his wits about him, and enters upou his job, or, if noticed, his oscape, with the full enargy of & fresh man, while the former has been out tramping s long beat all night, has not slopt for many hours, and is_incuwmbered with clotaing of tho beaviest description. It stands to reason that tho burgiar 18 more than s match for the policeman. Nuw, if a mounted officer were within call of the pairolman he woald prove as far sugerior to the borglar ss the burglar in at present to the j atrolman. L the commercial portion of the city I would have the moauted of- sicer and :he patiolman work together, sad then tbere would be po chance or escape for she Lugyl== TUSING TRE TELEGRAPH. Reporter—1bac seews to Le & good ides. Havs you zuything else 10 suggest ? Juastice Scully—I bave another ides which I think is spociaily worthy of consiceration and a tial. The city 1s supplied with a_fire-alarm tal- egraph, and iuterspecsed with alarm-bosos. I NOVEMBER 15 1874—SIXTEEN PAGES. would like to see thoes amyiflnyod to anpounce at night the escape cf a barglar. Let us assumo tlat a polico otlicer on tao West Side has sighted a burglar, but failed to secure bim. He rushes to the nearest fire-alarm box, snd announces the fact to the atations, who give the slarm to the patrolmen sll over the district by sounding on the station-bell. It will be their duty to atop all parsers-by, and, if they donot give a straight account of themselves, run them into the #ia~ tion. By this means it woula be almost imposai- ble for a burglar to get away from the sccne of 18 10bbery without arrest. DAILING PHISONE] Reporter—I would like to ssk you a question or two about the bailing out of prisoners of this class we are talking about, Does not the baul frequently hang tiro ? Thstico’ Scully—Sometimes 1t doss, but not often. Uceasionally, 100, the turns ont to be insufliciont. Reporter—Is it dun. lo this eauso that so fow of the prisoners arrested find their way to the Pevitentiary and other penal establishments ? Justice Scully—Oh no. I do not send all the Pprisoners who come beforo me with a clear caso againut them to the Grand Jury, and, of those I do_send, the Graud Jury throw out at least balf. Reporter—How do you dictiminate in_decid- lnpi ;hulher & case g0 before tho Grand Jury or not Justice Scully—Mainly upon the gravity of the charge. When a mao is brought Lefore me chargod with an offenss making him liablo to imprisonment in the Penitentiary. I send him before tho Grand Jury on probabiliti¢s. In cases of petty lasiceny, however, where a msnis con- victed " befors me of stealing a coaf, or s pair_of pouts, a borse-blanket, or the liko, I geuorally change tho charge to disoederly, snd fine or gend to _the Dridewell. Again, if a man is found suspicious- 1y lurking round premises whero bo has uo busi- ness, 1 seud him to the Bridowell on the charge of vagrancy. A Police Justice has to discrimi- nate it thesa matters, or else the Jail would be filled, and the State’s Attorney could not possi- bly do juatice to the really sertous crimiual busi- ness which is brought befure him. The Oriminal Court could not possibly get alone if 1 did not use my judgment in such cases. Tbere is another view of the case which is worthy of considera- tion. 'The trial of each of these potty cases, the majority of which involve property of the value of oanly $2 or $3, would coat the uount; from $30 to 850, and after all the prisoner would not geta heavier sentence than I would impose. 2eporter—\With regard to bail, again ; are you not in your inner consciousuess aware of thé fact that many of the ballers are NOT WOETH THE AMOUNT OF PROPERTY WHICH THEY SWEAR To ? Justice Scully—I am moialiy cortain in many cuses thab tho bailer is deliberately perjuring bimself. As an illostration of thus, 1 had my doubts of the truth of the sworn statement of a bondsmao named Ryan, somo three months and I followed the thiug upand haa him in- dicted for and convicted of perjury. Reporter—\What do- you do’ to guard sgainst Buch occurrences ? Justice Bcully—In cases nhero the offense 1n- volvea a term in the Penitentiary, L always re- quire an afidavit iu witing, sotting forth the value of the real estate, where it 18 localed, whether there is uny iucambrance on it, titls in boudsman, value of property, and whethor it is bomest I alwavs refuse bail where a men lives on the property, beoause, in case of tor- teiture of bau, before the property could be sold the county would have to advance §1,000, the value of tho homestead. The bondsman is sworn to the aflidavit, which I file away and nold in_readiness, in casa of forfewure of bond, to bring an acuon for perjury 1f tue occasiun Te- quires it. Reporter—What do you do ia minor cases ? Justice Scully—Iu cases .f petty larceny, where the punishment would be less than the Peniten- tiary, and where the circamastances show no se- rious ciime to-bave been committed, I swoar the bondsmen on exactly the same requiroments 88 described iv the writien allidavit. R;:‘poxter—flnw bhave you fouud your system work? Justice Scully —I oaly know of one bond for- feitod of my taking, and that wus three yoars 2go last Juue. Iteporter—Then you do not think that care- lessness in the taking of bonds causes the es- cape of many criminsls? Justive Scully—As far a8 my experieuce goes, certainly uot. it CAUSESOF THEINCREASE OF CRIMF. A reporter was detailed yesterdsy to converse with a gentleman who is thoroughly versed in polico matters and in the ways of criminals on the subjeot. The following s the resuit of the in- terview: R.—To what do yon attribute the suaden in- creaso of crime in Chicago ? Distinguished Citizen—To the absence of a good vagrant law, and the general bad manage- mont of the Police Department,—especially of THE DETECTIVES who, in order to recover property, aro frequently forced to compound a felony. B.—You think that no detective should bs permitted to act 8a 8 *‘ go-teiwaen 2" D. C.—Oaly in very extraoidinary emergen- cies ; for example, when clothiog is deposited at tho shop of s pawnbroker of good character, who may have given his money on the articles in good faith ; but, even then, the thing is to be utterly condemned, and should be pat down, It is no way creditabls 10 our presen: police sys- tem that such conduct should be tulerated. R.—You think that A VAGRANT LAW wonld resmedy the evil? D. C.—Yes—such s latr as now exiets in St. Louis. There the polico arress, sans ceremonie, every known thief, and every suspiciouy charac- ter, unless & good account of lus intentions and condition in hfe should bs given. This law is not oppressive to the general citizen, although stupid police office1s may sometimea carry the matter too far. But undonktedly the system is atout the only one that can give a chance to the police to keep the city clear of thieves. The St. .Lows peoplo keep them loocked, up until the zuscals are glad to get out of town. Then they swarm {o hero. In fact, they come here from all parts of the United Statos, Canads, and even Europe. Under Supt. Washbura they did not do thuct, for they knew he meant business. Nobody belivves that Jake Rehm 18 a fool, but & good mauy doubt his honesty of intoulron in cealing with tho ruffian element. He cor tafuly bias it in lus power, even now, to mako uho city TOO WOT TO HOLD THEYM, if he wemld ooly allow the police to arrest all the thievea they koow in town. You can count twenty of’ ikom in s bunch almost avy evening at Kirchhoi's or the Tivoli. In fact, they are to bo found in all the popular places 1n town. No- body can tell me that tbe polica do ot know them ; but tha faot is, thev are afraid to touch them,’ because yhey know that Rehm is not earnest about ¢fearing the city. The thieves know that they Luve comparatively & free and easy time in Chica g0, Bo thioy all come bere, and make their presenc-e felt. R.—Suppose thal you wers in charge of the police force here, WHAT WOULD Y0U D0 ? D.C.—Wo have as inany smurt officers here a8 thero are anywhera, if they are only propetly directed. I should hav'a avery thiof in town ar- rested, but, 28 usual, the Police Courts would step in and allow strad7 bail. Ino addivon to = vagrant act, thera shoulil be anocher act passed disqualifying koown gamblers, ropers, and tineves from going on the buil-bond of any party accused of crimo. This won.'d enable us to hold on to the thieves when we had them in our pow- er. If the present Buperinterylent of Polico do- sired, bie could haveevery cell in towa filled with well-known thieves before to-wmotrow night. I have no doubt that the police iwe auxious o do their duty, but the Chief docs &.ot waut them to do it for wome reason. Thatis the truth of the matter. R.—It is very ovident that {here is laxity somewhera in the Police Departnieut, and, of course, tne Chief must be beld responsible. D. C.—It may bo that Alr. Rebm considers it useless to arrest thieves while the present Po- lice Cowt gystem of *“ straw bail " re counte- nanced. What right has the law, or what night should it b to respect the bond af a thief who goes bail for anothor thief7 It is jprecisely the eame case with the gamblers. This was the last remark that the distinguishod citizen made to the reporter. AUTU; O beautifal, mellow Autumn-day ! Thou urt ulepping on 10 the grave of the year, And tiugeing the woods, ~u thy silent way, ‘With & drapery 6t for & 1.0yl bier, Thou hast come to tell of & Summer gone, That followod aweot Spring iu tae chauging dance: Like some widow'd Quecn on & gorgeons turtie, Thcreis grief in tue g.eam of. tuy goideu gisuce, Thy breasts are full of the sweets of the year, The rich color fades on thy chunging coeak, And soon o’er the piains thou wilt dissprear Ta the West and South thou a Lome wilt seek, 0 beautitul, golden Autumn-day [ Through the purple depths thou art sinking fast, And iy sellow locks wil turn o gray. And thy mantle be Teut with Winier's blast. Cmcaso, WaxpEupa, PROF. SEYMOUR. A Statement by the Reverend Gentleman. i is Reply to the Charges of the Bishop of Western New Yorke Al About the Visit of Father Grafton to the General Theological Seminary. Affidavits of Various Gentlemen. The lssue of Fact Between Bishop Coxe and Prof, Seymour—Evidence Under Onth. One of the most painful and distressing re- sults of the long secret session of the General Convention is the forcing upon me & direct iasue .of veracity with the Bishop of Western New Yotk Inregardto this, I would cheerfully keep gilence and bear the injustice, did it concern only the question of the Bishopri¢ of Illinois, which I never sought or desired; but, since it bears wholly upon the discharge of my preseat dnties as acting Desn of the Seminary, itis un- happily my duty, as long 25 I remain in this po- sition, to defend mysel! from auy chatges which would weaken tho confidence of the Church in the institution, On the seventh day of the secret session, and only about two hours before the tume first fixed for the decisive vote, Jndge Sheffey, of Virginia, read the firat of the following letters. He bad it in bis poasession, I have been told, four days before it' was read; and I am informed that, when asked by one of my frienda for 2 copy of it in advauce, he refased, on the groond that b was specially charged onlyto resd it to the House, and to sbow it to none but to certain members. After it was read, a copy was again refused, on the ground that it was “in the pos- seusion of the House,” and that the proceedings were “sccret.” When the obligation of - secrecy was removed, & ¢opy was unsttainsble, because the documents wers *in the hands of the puinter.” The first sight of them was gained only on the Friday evening after the question waa decided, when I received proof-sheets con- taining the letters, And, since thenm, Mr. Willism Welsh, of Penosylvanls, through whom the second and third letters of Bishop Coxe were brought before the House of Deputies on the last day of the secret seesion, has published a letter in corroboration of them, which he inserted in the last number of the Daily Churchman, to which, of course,—that issue being the last,—there could be no reply throngh the same channel. I mention these facts, not to complain of anything which others have done conscientiously, or which they regara sa the work of a special Providence;” but simply to explain the disadvantages under which I havo labored in learning the exact natore of the charges, and tho necessary delay that has oo- curred in preparing my defense. Moreover, the charges against me rest solely on the statement of one maa ; and the only corroboration is what Mr. Welsh says that somebody else says that he remembers hearing 8aid a year and a half ago. Ou tho contrary, every word of my statement which follows pext after the letters of Bishop Cozxe, and every word of the evidence given by the Rev. Mr. Grafton and others who were pres- ent and knew the facts of their own knowledge, ia given under the solemn sanction of an oath. The result is humbly left ia the hands of God, 2nd to the judgment of all honest men. Groror F. Bevmous. Ox¥xmAL THZOLOGICAL SEMINARY, Nov., 4, 1874, L BISHOP COXE’S LETTER. [Read by Judge Sheffey, of Virginis, on Wednes- day attarnoon, e 2Lst of October :} NEW Yosx, Oct. 17, 1874, My Deun Jupax SMITH: 1he facts are substan- tially as thoy have been reported to you. I could say many things in facor of this candidste with entire truth, and testimonials might be multiplied tn his favor without any dopliaty, But the whole truth —UIQ twvenl anotmcr olass of festn, snd T auppose Dr. Saymour Limuelf would not deoy that, ns a Professor iu the Seminary, he has stoadfastly reaisted the nobie efforta of bis collsagues, such as Drs, Seabury and Vinton, who have labored to maintain the doctrine of thia Courch respecting the Holy Euacharist, and the provisions of the Rubrio for iis solewmn celebration, 0wn to me in the discharge of my official duty 2s a * Visitor ” and & member of o Committes; 3nd I regret to say that the learned Pro- feasor was forced o confess to me that, with his knowledge and consent, 8 reverend gentlemn, well known a8 an active agent of the C. B, S, or of the sys- tem 1t sustains, was permitted to jocturs to students of {he Seminary in s private room on his pecnliar views of the HoLY EUCIARIST.” It 13 with extreme rogret that T mention these facts, which I bavo desired & opjortunity of stating in the Bourd of Trustees of the Seminary, and only there, As you well know, however, the impossitiity Lling that Board. or any fiir proportion of them, has rated Lo render the fncest:gation of faits an impos- #lbility for many years, Tha facts ought to be knows, however, and the Church must be awakened to her re- sponaibifities In such momentous concerns, Faithfally yours, Signed) A. CrevELAND Co: ) opat Weiers No Serk. The Hon. Judge Syrrm. . {Mr. William Welsh, of Penneylvanis, on Thursdsy, Oct. 22, introduced tie following correspondence:] Nxw Yoz, Oct. 1, 1874, Mr Dzan Bismop: By & remarkable Providence, s letter of yours, dated Oct, 4, 1879, came into my pos- sesefon this evening. I inclose it to you, and sek per- wisalon 10 use it at my discretion, 17 you ever con- versed with any of sour stmlents about the visita of the Rev. Nr, Grafton to the Seminary, or havo any pacticulars of auch visits, and the knowledgo that thie Rev, Dr, Seymour bad of them, pray oblige me with such particulars. Yours very sincerely, W. Wersm, ‘Tothe Right Rev, A, . Coxx, D, D. New Yorr, Oct. 21, 1874, Mr Dram Mz, Wersn: 1do_nc: feel at libaty to Tefuse you tha use of my letter of Oct. 4, 1873, the ex- istence of whishIhad quite forgotten, But' consult with my friend, Judge Smith, who knows the extreme reluctance wi:h which I have' permitted my testimony 10 be used in your discussions. I might have made my statcment much stronger snd more detalled, for tho case was o very groes abuse of power. We do not send our candidates o the Semina- ry o be instructed by emissarios from foreign socie tiea; but, when I expressed my wurprise to Dr. Sey- mour thit s volunteer Professor had been introduced by him within the walls of the Seminary, ho defended Limaelf on the general ground that the person wes a “ Presbyter of tho Chiurch.® In reply to auotlier question, Imust 2dd that, in examining one of my randidates, who reluctantly ad- mitted his knowledgo of the faots, I fouod tbat ha had bean prescut at oue of thess volunteer loctures, in which extravagunt and falso views of the Holy Eucha- st were inculcated. Nothing but 8 very extruordina duplicity can put any construction on these facts whi good men can accept as satisfactory. Faithfully yours, A. CLEVELAND Coxx, Wit Watem, Esg, Bishop of Weatern Now York, Burravro, Oct, 4, 1873, My Dsan Dz, Forexs : Nothing could bo niore op- portune—nothing more ad rem—than the publication, 4t tiis noment, with historical notes, of this very val- uable documeut, I send it by the same post that takes this, baving obtained Prof. Scabury's permission to hold it s st some such emergency, which I foresaw must arise before our Reform.work is much furtner advanced, I wus so; 1 could not see you when I was last in town ; but things have gone on well in some respects, and this exglosion of the *C, B. 8. will work much Ithink kistorical notes aro needed, and the whole should be prefaced by an extract from that document, showing the nature of their intrigues, and how they glory in stultifying tho discipline and destroying the otticial relstions the Dean to the students, 1 Liave tho present (scting) Dean's_own acknowledg- ment that he permitted ** Futher Grufton” to wisit and indoctriuate the students List winter., 1f you don’t publish _the sccompanying document, please give it buck to Prof, Beabury ; ouly asking him to cousider my permismion to make further uso of it a& not withdrawn, ‘We may have to convinee the whole Church of the imposeiuility of working the Seminary as it 1s now going on, Fuithfully yours, A, OLEVELAND Coxe, Bishop of Westarn New York, Tho Rov. Dr. Fonnss, &c., ke, &c. STATEMENT IN REPLY. It 18 XOT THUR that Iever “ introduced ¥ Father Grafton a5 & volunteer Professor” * within the walls of iue Seminary,"—baving never introduced, or even invited, bum to the Semin.ry in any cazacity, I 13 Noz THUE that I perniitted Futher Graf- 100 to v.ait and indoctriuate the students last win- tor,”or atany o ber time,—having never b-eu asked for, aad having Lever given, any permission of tho Xind, AT 18 0T THUE that he “ was permitted * Ly me # 0 lecture 10 students of the seminary 10 a pricate 7061v,” 38 if T were ashamed or afruld 1o ask him to do itopenty. No Lerson Las over been tted oy me 10 luature to the students, except openly in_the chapel or liirary, and with the kuowledge of the Faculty. It 18 KOT TRUX that I ever * confiesed " o, OF * o= knowledged,” suy such action as ia denied in the above threa pyragraphs; for 1 have never thought it noneut 10 confcuis or acknowledge what I never bud deme. 1723 20T TBUE that 1 was “forced * o caufess it compulsion can well draw from me, to my own posyadtce, D ondasston of thiog Which T uever {:ld Jone, Every state.’ant aver made by me at any time on this subject bas .0 freely and voluntarily made. NoT TRUE that the Blaurn has “my oun ac- e dment that 1 permitied * Futher Grafton* to viuit and indoctrinate " 14 aforesaid ; for X never acknowidgment sort. e o XAUX thit Father Grafion lectured st the Seminary * wnth my snowcwedgs cnd consent ”; for 1 knew nuthing of ?lh lecturing Hl;fl- 'u!lz\a‘ &aayrl“;fla: it was ll over, and never gave sny oD % 1T 13 OT TRUE thut the object of Father Grafton’s lecture ‘wia o focnlcate, s puculiar vew of the Holy Euchariat® ; for the studen -a leatity that thers was only one incldental allugion . the Holy Eucharist during the two evenings, Iz 13 NoT TBUZ that, in this incidental allusion, “ extravacant and. falss visws of the Holy Bucharist ‘were_inculcated,” unless it be * axtravagant and false™ tosay that the benefit received in the Haly Communion will ba in proportion to the intensity of the Faith of the devout receiver, conduciog some- times even to the recovery from bodily disease. This remark was made in disgnoof Of the assertion of Romabists that Sscramental Graco among us is with- out efficacy. The axplanaticu bere given is drawn from notes of Father Grafton’s lectuzes, taken at the time by one of the students prasent, but which I never saw or heard of until after my confirmation was de~ feated. It 13 XOT TRUE that, In this matter, there wis “a very gross abure of pouer * on my purt ; for there was 1no exercise of powsr at all, nor any knowledge, at the time, on which any power could be exezcised. 1713 NoT TRUZ that Bishop Coxe obtained his ver- gion of the matter when he was in the Seminary, as a. «¢ yintor * of the same, in the epring of 1873, For, at that visitation, the moment the fact of Facber Graf- ton’s lectures was mentioned, I stated to him, in terms oo strong and clear to parmit the possibility of mis- take, thst those loctures icere aclivered withoyt my kmautedge or consent, and that, {f I had known of them in time, I showd certmnly have prohddni Lhem. The Bishop then saked how avch & man wus allowed to 26t foot upon the Semipars-grounds at all, and wied very harsh language touching Fatuer Grafton, saylog that I ought to huve *“-taken him by the meck and marched uim off the Seminary-grounds,” or words to that etect. It” was in reply to this denfal of a right even to visit a student whom he happened to kuow, that some thiags were said which have Leen altogether ‘misapplied, It should be remembered that the Semi- nary-students are ahmost all college-graduates; and that the conrus corresponds to s post-gradao- ate course, No American college undertakes to prevent students from ever recclving a friend in their private rooms, unless been received from In » post-graduste course, wverity of exclusion would not be submitted to for & moment, and ought not to be, by any body of Amerfcan young men. It would be more absurd, if ‘possible, o require it of young men preparing for the Holy Minlstry than of those propariog for say other profession, such as the Law or e. 1t has never at any time been attempted in the General Theo- logical 8 , since_its foundation to the present dsy. And, wheg the Bishop stated that it was my 1 Quty 1o eject Father Grafion summarily by physical force, 1 ventured to rewind him that the Rev, Father Grafton was a Presbyter of the Cuurch in good stand- ing; that he was second tono man, in the Church or out of it, in all tha mpmnuu to personal character, social position, or ess of life ; mdd that averyl:fi table person—Bishop, prisst, decon, o lsy- Eaanehad the fres entres to YLt his friends smong the studeats, out obtaining special This was the only connection in which anything was uaid of Father Grafton’s right a8 s Presbyter of the Church.” 1would add here, that such extemporized privats meatings among the students, though rare, have not been unprecodented. Soma years sgo, the Bev, Dr. Breck found himself beset by a crowd of young men n the room of astudent whom be was vislting, and they persuzded him to relats the history ot Nashotah, though the Dean and Profeasors kuew nothing of it until some days after. Still later, & similar thing took place during a visit by Bishop Tozer; and on either accasion was any fauit found by the Doan or Fuoulty, though no permitssion had been asked or given. IT 18 ¥OT TRUK that I have ** steadfastly resisted the noble efforls of my collesgues . . . to maintain the doctrine of thiz Courch respecting the Hol. Eucharist.” This construction of the course which pursued in opposing an entirely novel, despotic, and un-American policy of ditcipiine, wes eneryetically dis- claimed by me st the beginning, was reiterated by me at every slage of Our unuappy controversy on the sub- Ject, and waa finally abandoned by the very colleagues Who made it. When, In the presence of the Bishops a5 Visitors, they signed their names to a declarution that what they had done * waa not intended to impeach the general conduct and teaching of Dr. Seymour, ether a8 & Professar of the Sewinary or as a Presbyter of the Cburch.” 1t may be true that Biahop Coxe has * desired an op- portunily of stating In the Board of Trustees, and only there,” bis version of the Grafton incident. But De has been present at all the three meetings of the Board held sinco his yisitation, and has naver given the slightest enidence of bis desire, by word or deel. It is uow left to all anprejudiced and candid persons to consider the above, together with the sworn evi- dence which follows, and then say whether, in regard to my scts, there be any foundation for Bishop Coxe’s assertion, that “ Nothing but a very extracrdinary du- plicity can put any construction on these facts which 40od men can accept a8 satisfactory.” Gronaz F, StTMoUR, Sworn to before e, the 6th dy of November, 1374, 0, P. S:ath, Notary Public, New York County. 1, Randall Cooke Hall, s Presbyterof the Diocees of New York, and 3 Profcssor in the General Theological Seminary, was present st the Visitation held by Bishop Coxe in the spring of 1878, referred to by Prof. Sey- mour in his sbove afidavit; and 1 hereby testify un- der osth, zhba:!, to tho best of my recollection, knowi- ef, Prof. Beymour's statement of what on that occasion is substantially correct. RAxDALL COOXE HALL. Swarn to before me, the 6th day of November, 1674, 0, P. Ssaxrm, Netary Publie, New York County. 1, Charles C, Grafton, of Boston, Mass,, Presbyter, Bector of e Cliwich of the Adveat, ta tiat cily, ox oath say: T have been informed that the Rev, Dr, Seymour, Acting Dean of the General Theological Seminary, New Yark, hss been chargad with lavitiog or permitting me {o deliver, or in some way countenancing me in the delivery of, a lecturs or address on the subject of the Holy Eucharist, or on the Confraternity of the Blessed Secrament, In privata, o the students of the Beminary, 1 herely declare this to bo untrue. T would further say, that the only viaits I bava sver made to the Ssminary, aince Dr. Seymour's connection, with 1t as Dean or Professor, ars the following : When I was i this country for a fow weeks in 1557, 1 speut 1w eveuings in » friend's roorm In the Semiziary. Dr. Seymour was not Dean, and had nothing whateverto do with my visits, by Invitation or otherwise, I talked with some of the atudents who csme in to #ee me, on the Religions Life, and said nothing concerning ‘the Holy Communion, I never learned from any ome that my visit was objectionable to any of the Faculty. 1 s there again in 1872, on my return to this coun- try from England, under the following circumatances : Having oceasion (o bo fn New York waile my brother's bouse was closed, I was asked by a student whom I had invited to become one of my carates, and who was considering the matter, to come and oocupy, for a night OF 70, & Yacant bedroom flzt was at his disposal, his room-mata being sbsent. Idid 30; aad quite infor- mally, and without any previous arrangement or plan on my part, several of the students camie in (s0me ja- vited Ly him, others at thelr own motion); and, at their request, I talked to them on tke Sparitus! Jafe and ita templations. I beliove I aald something after- svards agatust the cistma of tuo Boman Church, snd 1 1uay have answered a question about thie Holy Com-~ munion: Thave forgotien what, I am the betier able 10 recall the subfect of the evening's lopic, because 1 stated it tothe students of the Protestant’ Friscopal ary at Cambridge, Mass., n the presence of one of the Professors, tho Rev. Dr. Wharton, when I visit- ed thut institation and addressod the stidents, at his invitation and in his presence. I have uo reason what- over 10 bellove that D, Seymour had any knowledge of this interview, in my friend’s room, with the students. Aly acquaintance with Prof. Seymour is very alight ; and on tha one or two occasions when we have met, 1 have never mentioned to Lim the fact that I had an interviow, snch as I have described, with the st dents; for 1 mever upposed it ' matter of im. portance. Since 1872 I hiave bean at the Seminary but twice, each time on private businesa only, and on nelther 00" casion Liaving any conference with any of tho stu- dents on religious matters. Theso are all the visits T bave made to the Sominary. 5 X have spoken of viaits i0 the Seminary, Itmsy be proper to add that I havo never had suy conforance it any of tho studanta tway trom the Bumluazy, by ion, permisaion, or procurement, directly or indiretls, of Db, Seymour, L . v 1 will further ‘stats that, although 8 member of the Confraternity of the Blessed Sacrsment when re-iding in England, I gave up sil active connection with it on returning 1o this _country, and left it, declining, on tbie ground, an invitation extended to'me by the Gon. fraternity hare to join it; aud on Do occasion have I talked to the students concorning this Soclety, ita az- gunization, workings, cT beli ef, Crantes C. GarToy. COMMONWEALTR OF MASSACHUSETTS, SUPFoLx Counrr.—At Boston, in said county, tnis 6th day of Novemoer, A. D, 167, personaliy appéared the Lav. Cuaries C,'Gratton, and made solemn cath that the foregoing afiidavit, by him subsarived, is trus, before me, [Seal] N. AvsTrx Parss, Notary Public, 1, Gearge Henry Higgins, a Presbyter of the Diocess of Illinois, Bector of the Parish of Trinity, City of Lincoln, State of Iltnols, having seen in the public prints ¢ertain stutements baving reference to the Bev, G. F, Seymour, D, D., and the Geueral Tbeologlcal Séminary in the City'of New York, and knowiug of my own knowledge that such statements are fulse, and, 20 I beileve, uttered with the intention to de- celve, do now, {rom a sanss of right snd daty, maka the following true relation of facts : ‘That I entered the Junior class of the General Theo- logical Beminary {n the full of the year 183 wited therefrom and received my 1573, During the terms in ech year, 1 was Tecddent in the Seminary, occupying, during my whole conne, Room No. 5 in the East Bullding. ‘Tnat duriug my course I was socially intimate with Heory 3, Torvert, ow a priest of the Diocess of New York, then a mamber of my class, aud a resident in tiesime Euat Bullding of the General Tucoiogical Semin.ry. Taat at the time mentioned {n the false statements above referred to, I woa invited by sald Mr. H. AL Torteit to meet in his room the sav. C. C. Grafton, of B.slon, tompgrarily m New York, on bis way 1o or from Boston. I accepted the invitaon and met, be- sides tue Kov. r. Grafton, three or four of my fellow- students, whom 1 kuew as iutimate {riends of Mr, Torvert. Tre evening was passed 10 pleasant geners convereaticn, and, toward its close, s suggestion was made, either Uy wyself or ons of tha siudeuts prasent, that, if Mr. Grafton's sty in Now York w.s prolonged over the ouo uight, we migut b aliowed to meet Lm 2gain mext eveutuy, and tust be would tell us some- tuing of tne work carried on by the Order of St. Jous the Evangelfat, Thuut by permission of Mr. Torbert, askod and ob- tatned, I invited other S TL 3 {rionds among g, o That, on the second eventng, dlilonal srudenta wers invited by’ e 12y gy, 31l having been {ntzoduced to M Gragn Tt g the bym, *Come, Holy Gliosis soi®yYerriy Prayer, aftar wach Mr. ratan guyeld, 0 of insiruction and advice relativ g5lort k! Life, which he founded on_ the conpe® itzasy mentioned iu the seventh and ninstasggy ", Lo St. Matthow's Gospel. After singarollh thapy benedictiun, the studenis distersec SLT%: spprobation, and tusoks %o the rereril for bis tinely and accepiatis conpmt That I am fully persusded this wia ", during my stay in the Seminary thst yo'g 0l iy 4Dy sludents n such manners ang o P ny Uiat on this occaslon i 3rous socly obe o ey o2, or! nrg And OUr OWD uttirly uppre,C0ay Eurtiermars, that, sbout two westa atir g, rocitation thag e Confraternity of e Bistued g g the Seminary, aad i faable Spinions, or word of e geac el ment, being 0 utteriy foreigu to what s a8 above stated at AIr. Grafion's 1L the students with a great doal of merizm tostate toit, 1o 2nd beliet, gho Bav. D Seyraon a2l B m“fihf Wy ) dzg ' Raliryy § E i £ g g H I ESR 7 5 P 5 g8 P 1 y Thoology brought the imatter tme T lve twice sten ia. e Colas Journal the same uiterly falas ‘statoraacs 23 toweC, B. ., aud the vist of Mr. e, Seminary, Tierefore, T desire 4o stas, rekabey parties Ly whom the mtter o s &t erery statament waleh difers from o3 e | AUOVE, AN 2 statemants ~ 5 00 ureliabie s o4 2440 Delow, gegp % ; Taat the viit f Mr. Grafton wasof s Y 2. That the firat evening we met A, cial nature to itr. Tovert. a8 frieuds of Mr. Toroert. - Orflon sy Hill 3, That the meeting of the ply the result of an unpremodiiorny e T gy, ul.‘l:%dmtl resent. hat nothing in regard to S wak the subject-matter sither .v?n‘h!:.n{’ . Tuat DOuhing in Fegard (o tho Sxistencs, v ar the docirines, of tho C, B, 5. wyicr B Dentioned s Do wis Eaythiog exid wiiih couedd ly ba construed or miscos reiation thereio, oaisucied olo burigf iy 6, That, from ths manner in ‘which = ori ,uwntmpwuumm,mg knowledge thercof excepe the atadeais tiiy,© Mt 1. "t e mochog was [n’ novize bt g joct of genaral convarmition: for o) joctof . for twjor g . Dr. 86 ever of tho meet SIOur Ke? nothing yeg, 9. That tie waola matter of Mr, Grafiony wyt related to the personal purit . who are culled to the Hbly Onder. * "0-0-447 iz § faxar] Hr. W. Daxs, Notary Puite, We, membars of the Senior clas fn thy Theclogieal 8 s Gy = m{ Seminary, make the fullowing Matemey Wo were present on the occasion of two disconrses by the kav. G, C. Gnl‘:‘n."t?:"' dent’s room, bn tho evenings of Dee. W and 1y Wo were there, with some twenty otaezs, it 1 tion of the occupant of the ruom, whem Mr, was visiting. We had no reason t4 belisve t: ings were effected or suthorized by the D, i fact of their Leing heid in 4 private room api ! F the {mpressian tha the stadeny meeq :nT:’..T sponsitillty, The discourses were, on the oy ing, on the temptations et BelioanFi : ous Life. No mention w 0, B. 8., and aniy &a incidental sineion b Bucharit We have didess, mads fmmedirly o discourses were dolivercd, which A of any one concsraed. A e (@reseut Dec. 13, only;) F. W.T a FH Fg (Present Dec. 11, only :) Kobert B, Drane declined o be preseut, basemls understood that the Desn kuew nothing steat g mattar, F. W. Toxrarss, Ja, = [ F¥rank Surrm, Axoe T, Asgzox, Eonuer o zaT B, Draye. Swarn o befors ms, this second day of N i 0, y of Noreats, 0. P, Su Notary Public, New York c.rf’m; ; L Tn the fall of 1872, my room-mats, now 3 M, Torbert, Priest of the Prmuun'? zgfllmm %":ngi in the United States, invited the Rev. C. C, E"nzm« thon. Mass., 10 call oz him ot the General Theoisgi At s uine T was boarding outaida of the S and, baving o uss for my bed there T wioes by 1y IRev. Alr. Grafton, and sked him to occugy my room, Mr.’ Gralton scoépted my fnritation, aad spent nights uf Wednesday and_Toundsy, Dec. 11 a0d 2, 1812, in my room. On Wednesday evening, Dec. 11, Mr, Torbert invited sows of tatis stulents to eal on the Rev. Mr. Grafton in 0urroom. Thare, st the rse quest of some of these students, tha By, Xr. Gralioz , in a0 informal manner, on tha subject of te Spiritasl Life, His conversation was not in reference to the Haly Eucharist, and he did not aliude to_the Confratenlty of the Bleased Sacrament, 80 fur 88 I remember, X ther Mr. Torbert nor mywlf faried the B i irafton to minary for the purposs of a locture on tae Holy Euchurist. "Me. osiers e to consult kim on persanal matters. I was no rrasat on Thursdsy eve 8. This was the only occasion, during my Seminary course (from the Tall of 1871 until June, 1874), thst oy such thing took place, so far 9 1 know or belere. Had any such thing occurred, 1 shonld doubiless ban beard of it, Rav. r. til after Mr, Grafton had left thechty, remember, I never told him of 1t STATE OF NEW JERSEY, COUNTY OF BSSry, u.—'a naat Vanderpool, of fullage, be. g duy seimy o oath eaith, that the abova statement, so faras bisom acts are concerned, is true and accarate; and thst K £ar as the acts of oihiers are concerned, b beieres i same to be true, according to the best of bis knowielgt and information. WIRANT VAXDZRPOOL Sworn and subscribed, at Nowark, N.J,, this 3 &7 du[nae?};er, A. D., 1874, beforo me, 'W. VANDERPOOL, United States Compissioner, Having beard from various sonrees thal e Eer. Gearge ¥, Seymour, D. Dean of tha General Theo- . logi inary, has been rharged with faritiog @0 that institution. in the year 1872 or 173 b Bet. & C. Geafton, Rector of the Church of ths Adrt, Bee- ton, for the purpose of lecturing to the sudesss of 52 Seminary upan the subject of the Hoiy Buchasish I desire to make the foilowing statement : 1 was 8 member of the General Thealogieal Semiot:y in the'years 1872 and 1872, and during that time®s Rev. C. U, Grafton never remained but two oich i the Seminary, and, to D1y certain knowledge, that r'{d was made at the especial reqcast of the ge! -: entertained him. = And I have the very best reakcals beliave that the Rev, Dr, Saymour did oot knowal Rev, C. C. Grafton’s intention to vislt the previous to his arrival upon the ground. F -“‘%; more, neither at that time, or 84 oy olber U5} while I was 1n the 3 dmmm“n::; mm ton, either in private room oF A1y Beoted with the insiitation, lecture upoa the subjd of the Holy Encharist, = He did, howaver, at the request of & numbarof 8 Gtudents, talk to the gentlemen who, by lnflm“ the person who was entertsining him, Were lUIUR Intho room whers ho was wwophing 1t Wb 6 ‘Temptations and Trials Incident toa Stadeat As he was to remain in the Seminsry over & i bt night, at our request he taiked totbe young 3 follnwing "emgg. At that timebe: of &‘&flg of the life to which he had dovoted hy work In which h was engiged. & The commubity-life hud, and continues tobave z«gflm ‘approval of & number of the Bitaops & " 5 felt, u‘dnuhu&n did the Rev, Mr. Gnlwl!.lhfl‘:"; dothg no more wrang 1n talking thus informaly upon the abovesubjects, thsn if he prophecies, or the wspiration of Ioly Baturs iia topica, ’ If he mentioned the subject of 18 Ti1 Eacharist, it waa in the most incidental way. 0 Iy ha did not give enough ence g sty focling, oF ven comment, fram tbose Wb P biy may Lave differed trom bim, ormes. Subacribed and sworn to bafore mé, on it 30 NG AL of November, 1674 T e o150 Newngno, ! Af Desn D, Sgxsoun: Havisg noticed i3 1630 £ tlat Blshop York Z1mes 3 statement to tho eflect that FInl gy hiad sant a letter, ar lotters, to o OF of the Lower House of tlie General Cnnunfio?b:"; were resd before the Conventian, declaiing ¥l had luvited the Tev, Father Graftob, of the (B, the Mve&:. Bostxcln, lochchxr:! o ‘::lr l}:. lv‘\fl" subject of the Holy Cummunion, 0 B et oesrinatod 1 what are known s 25 vanced * views on this holy mystery. I deiact write 10 you to carrect as far au Lam nfi:w statement of Blshop Coze, and 10 ex] real fuctn of the case, snd Gow Eather 0raf be wittun the Seminary close, :lcul ai] Bishop hfian ‘must bave takea YOO surprisa ua it hag me. *Gue ‘ay, during the latter part of the y5X my {rieud and classmate, Larry Tosberl, 8% came tomy room and told me that _Fan“ was in thecity, and that he intended to that evening at the Seminary; aud bo Woulda't it be nice to wvite s few of the room to meet hum, and he might v I said, It would be very nice wiowd ; it a getieral tnvitation 10 all the men, thelr views may be. Heagroed with me, vited every manin the Scminary. TbS ! 3 shis ig ! i BEES SoEipnEE 3ERecd % a8 %.Ewm“ A L3 gie o be spoks to us upon the elementary b Ohrbtian Tife, and the Hallgloas Lite ovening it was & very geueral tids and temptations s and how to mect them. The secon was on the Roligious Life, referrisg o te GST ) 3 ang declare most twph‘wnm = ibat the subject of the Ho'y Eucharit ¥is B8/ fo mentioned, tn & con ‘manner of “] and, if ulluded 0 st all, it was in the most 100, manaer, on the first eveniug, whea -W“,, trials and temptations of the Cuiistia Life {0y very sad thing fur moto know that Risop Co18 20, 2uve made So unirudiful s stuement WA must have been better informed. Tucre e Favee of his e o cua. Of the evenmgs FIETSLY S lt g R bRt of the exact Dat e e i Gratton, Bocould cunly havo doze ~ During my eniire course a: the L IM0 § never kuown of sny other Prestyter of the %fi& S layman) to give talk or lectires o the studznis S, the knowledge or consent of the Fsculty. oy ceedingly now that we bad not first ol Jeus for the Bev. Mr, Graftows; bub g 1§ iy P S S SO