Chicago Daily Tribune Newspaper, February 1, 1874, Page 2

'LABOR. The Subject of Wages Viewed from the Standpoint of the Employer. Experience of a Woman Who Tried to Earn Some Honey. Making Pantaloons for Sixieen " Cents a Pair. Are Trades-Unions a Benefit or Detri- ment to Workingmen? The Light of a Han to Spend His Honestly- Aequired Wealth in His Own Way. The Woes of Foreigners in America--- Statements by Discontented Englishmen. Mr. Brassey on Worlk and YWages. WORK AND WAGES PRACTICALLY ILLUSTRAT- ED, By Tuoxas Buassey, M. I Now York: D. Appleton & Cr. 1812 Itianot safeto underestimate tbe influsnces Aikely to flow from the social and political theo- ries now generally received by the working clsses. The demauds recently made by unem- ployed workingmen upon the Mayors of our pricipal cities show very cloarly THE DEMORALIZING NATURE of the ideas which are leavening in the midst of wociety. The relations of Labor to Capital, and of the laborer to the State, are subjects of manifestis- increasing importance. Tho popular ignorance which eovelops these subjects should give way to 2 public opinion mora enlightoned and better informed. The experience of the past is the sure guide of the student of polilical science. The skeptical spirit of our day is as impatient of theories as it is omnivorous of focts. The meihod of treating a subject by s historical collection of facts and statistica is becoming doscrvodiy popular. This metbod, which commends itself slike to the scien- tific inquirer and to the pracH- cal map, is espocially applicable to suy ex- aminztion of politico-economic questions. Po- litical Economy having for its subject the every- day sffairs of men, its conclusions should be verified by their every-dsy experience. For a consideration of the subject of Wages, ciewed from the standpoint of the employer, tho sork of AIr. Thomas Brassey contsina A VAST ARBAY OF FACTS ind etatistics gathered from many different de- sutments of industry and from almost every Sivilized country. A large shave of theso facis and statistics were derived from the experience of bIr. Brassey's father, whose extensive con- iracts with British capitalists for the construe- fon of railways made him an employer of labor in every part of the world. The first three chapters, upon **Trades-Unions ind Strikes,” *Demand and Supply,” and » Cost of Labor,” make up & very interesting portion of the work. Mr. Brassey beifeves that the power of Trades- Tions, both for good and evil, TAS DEEN GREATLY EXAGGERATED. fo “deplores tho illiberalspirit which too often sontrols these organizations, as calculated to es- tablish among the working classea that subdi- vision of caste which has been the curse of [ndia. The pretensions of Trades-Unions to regulate tho Tate of wages, without Tegard to the semand forlabor, is found to bo st variance with the most prominent facia. Their organi- zation and united action has somotimes secured an advanco of. wages st & somewhat earlier date, but eventually the competition smong emplovers would have been equally beneficisl. This seems to be & poor compensation for the-heavy sub- scriptions usnally necessary to maintain these organizations. The most protracted strikes have generally taken place, howover, not for the purpose of securing an advance of wages, but for resisting a fall. The leaders of these strikes nave ceaally exhibited great ignorance of the ttate of their own trade. They bave, therefore, in mest ceecs, been unsuccessful, and their ac- tion has often inured to the hencfit of their em- ployers. i That tho rate of wages is regulated of meces- ity by the ratio between the supply of labor 2nd the demand, is shown by Mr. Enxsey to be GNIVEBSAL EXPERIENCE. The invariable result of the commencement of railway cperations in any country has been a Tite in the prevalent rate of wages; aud the in- evitable congequence of any long-coutinued de- Dression of soy branch of trade has been a re- daction of the wnge&})pid in that trade. The rapd increase of capital in every civilized coun~ try during the present century is the influence which has everswhere, by atimulating the de- mend for labor, advaunced the wagesof the jaborer. This advance has been aa greotin countries where Trades-Unions are unknown a8 in countrics where their influenco and numbers have been greatest. In the chapters on *Cost of Labor™ and + Dear Labor Stimulates Invention,” the reader will find presented very clearly the principle that _bigh wages do not necessarily imply dear labor, uwt as Jow wages do not of necessity make la~ or cheap. . THE REAL OOST OF LABOT {8 determined, not by the money-wages prid, but by the amount of work performed. The wages of the English laborer are much higher than the wages of hig breshren in auny other part of Europe, bus his superior energy makes the real cost of his Jabor no greater than theirs. There- Soarkable tepdency to equality in the actual cost of labor thronghont the world, a3 exhibited in ihese chaptors, would seem to controvert the poritiop of Mr. Mill, that the laws which govern the distribution of wealth are arbitrary in their character, and “are very different in different ages and countries.” ¥, "I'hie tendency to equality in the actual cost of work is cariously illustrated by the experience of the elder Mr. Braesey: “On his extensive contracts, carried on in almost every country of tie civilized world, and in every quarter of ‘the slobe, the daily wage of the laborer was fixed at Tidely-different rates; but it was found to be e almost invariable rule that the COST OF LABOR WAS THE BAME; t, for the same smount of money, the same nt of work was everywhere performed.” A + Like this goes far to suggest a belief that it Jolicy of our tariff-lawa, rather than the csof our oneratives, which prevents aucts of American industry from enter- :ore largely into the markets of the world. - Irassey offers mo new theories upon the of 1abor, and the conclusions resched by ar. for the most part, alreedy well known litical economists. Tke chief value of his is foundin an exhaustive array of facts, chy ibe political inguirer can verify the ablisbed doctrines of the ‘“old potitical ceouomy.” 9 The Labor Question, Since s0 many men are out of employment, 24 are too proud to seek aid from the Relief Rosicty, their wives have been endessoring to tind work in some department of woman's labor, ~shereby thoy could earn the bresd and butter for the busband and children. The head of the family, during his enforced idleness, could wash tho diskes and tcud the babies, while the wife and mother occupied his place as general pro- vider. One of these worthy women, who would zot beg as long as either she or her husband could work, essayed to try her powers, and sco Low mdependent sho could be, and how wel abie she would prove herself to provide for her family if bef busband was called away by death HER EXPERIENCE iz given ia 2ar ovn Words, and I8 undounbtedly {hat of hundreds of women who are compelled by necessity to earn their own liviogs 41 have sewing-machines, and I felt proud of it; for I thought, if John shonld be sick, or out of work, or be called away by death, I bad the means in my bands of earning 8 living; and 1 had not the Jeast doubt that, by working hard, 1 could raise my children respectably. I believe I had thought more avout this than women gen- erally do, because it seemed to be constantly in John's mind, snd he sometimes guve uttorance to it, wondering what I ghould do when he was gone, and wishing he was able to make some provigion for s family. As times are 8o hard, John out of work, and rent to pay, L imagined that now was the time to test my power of esrn- ing aliving. Iprided myself, too, on my sow- ing, a8 1 kmew I excelled in that department, and felt sure that I could give satisfaction to my employers. I imagined, too, that the best way to obtain steady work was to apply to those stores whero ready-made clothing is sold; aad, 83 I lied been informed that s tailor was better paid than a dressmaker, I would first apply to & store whero men's clothing was eold. _Accord- ingly T dressed uyself_neatly, and, leaving the house and children in John's care, Istepped with high hopes into & street-car, and redo to my destination,—8 BEADY-MADE CLOTHING-STORE,— wwhich T entered, and inquired for work. I'was girected to step into the elovator, which woutd take me up to the work-room, which is in_the fifth story of the building. Arrived thero, I in- quired ?f the Buperintendent for work. He asked me what I conld do. <Y can do almost anything that is done with a needlo and threed, or with & gewing-machine ; but T bave been the most accnstomed to makiog ntaloons, snd I believe I wonld prefer them, Prephed. 2 HYou'can have s dozen of men's summenr- pants on trial,’ ho said ; *aod if your work suite, we will let you have more.” w11 il take them,’ I replied. s t After they were rolled up and wrapped in paper, it ocenrred to me to inquire what he paid for the work on them. W USTXTEEN CENTS A PATR. « «Sixteen cents a pair!’ I exclaimed. « +Bixteen cents s pair, and you will find your own thread, madam.” Do you never pay any more thaf that?’ I ventured to inquire. “ ¢ We cannot afford to pay any more;’ he re- plied. *Men in the country grumble now at Pasing $2.50 por pair for these pants: &nd, -if e paid more than 16 cents, where would oar profits be? Ve should soon be obliged to go into bankruptcy. Bixteen cents is our market~ price 1 1f yon do not want to make them for that, you need not take them.’ . 4 ¢ will take them, and see how much profit 1 can realize on them, 1 said, as 1 took up thé bundle, and departed with my hopes of bemng able to carn a livelihood congiderably lowered. 1 found, by working steadily withont inter~ raption, that 1 could make A PAIR IN FOUR HOURS; but, as I have a baby who will cry now snd then for *ma,’ I waa obliged to suspend operationa frequently to quiet my little ono ; and I often ‘rondered 1f rich ladies, who cau devote all their time to their children, know how hard it is for 1s poor women, who have to stifle the voice of Nature, and are obliged to listen to our children crying while we are working for desr life. TI'had stitched on those pants for three days, when John came in with the joyful news that he had found work at $1.50 per day,—inside work, where he would not be_obliged to lose any time on account of bad weather. B WsNow,' said he, ‘just wrap those miserable garments in a paper, and let me carry them back to the etore. Don't, for mercy's sake, worry any more of your life out on them. You have enough to do to take caze of the house and the children, and we shall not starve on $9 per week.? i ¢ yould like to finish the work,” I said, * for I want to know how the poor sewing-women DO GET ALONG, and just how much they realize for their work." « 2 Do as you like,’ #aid John ; * but I cannot bear to see you stitching your life away for nothing. Hood's ** Bong of the Blirt » would not beont of place in this laud of sewing- machines : @ ¢ % Tt {3 not pants you ars wearing out, ‘But human creatures' Hves.” ! T finished the work snd took it to the store. Arrived at the work-room, the Superintendent opened the bundle and examined each pair separately. ¢ Tho waistbands,” he said, ‘I intended to Lave sewed by hand ; and I wanted another row of stiching ufi the back. The bottoms should have been hemmed by hand ; but, as they aro nicely stitched, better than the generality, I will let them pass, but shall expect these slterations made in the pext.” “¢f thnk I have done enough for the pay," I said, beginuing to get a Lttle worked up acall this fault-finding, when I had worked so hard for so little, %1 Do you want any more 2’ he asked. « ¢ No, thenk you,' I replied. I think I shall be able to get my porridge ; and, assuch work will only furnish me with salt, I prefer to EAT T PORMIDGE WITHOUT SALT rather than ¢arn it in this way. = If you will pay me for what I have done, Idonot think 1 shall trouble you again.” ¢ He went to a desk and commenced to write; and, while he was busy writing, I spoke to & lady who had come n while I'was talking to the Superintandent. She was shabbily dressed, snd looked g3 if shehad expericnced hard times. “T heve brought in two dozen,' she gaid, ‘and I dreaa to have him look atthem after he has found so much fault with yours, for yours are have to made much nicer than mine, and the sticching. on them is & great deal neater.” :' ‘dHow long did it take you to make them ?' T ¢+ I have spent ONE WEEE'S WORK ON THEM,' yne replied. *Aly husband is out of work, and 71 we have to depend uvon is what I earn.” My baby is 2 years old, and dees not need much at- tenfion from me. My husbend las attended to all her little waats, and done all the housework, which has left ~me free tg sow, and, by sewing steadily all the time, and ranking long daye, I can make two dozen pairs por weok. But 1 drend to hsvo him examine them, for I am afraid he will find considerable fault with them. I have worked for other firms, who are not g0 patticular as they are here.’ « At this point tho Superintendent returned withi pieco of puper, which he handed to me *+Give that to_the Cashier, and he wi. Baying pay y%'n. Ring the bell and take the elevator.’ His ‘munner seemed to say, ‘Now, depart a8 speedily as possible. ] sid to the woman at my eide, ‘I wonld like to hear what ho has to say to your work, but 1 see I am not wanted, and I suppose I will bave to go.’ . T bave wished since that I had lingered sround the building until that or creature caml: out, and learned what he did ssy to her worl 4 Tho Cashier paid me %1.92 for my work. I expended 85 cents for thread and 20 “conts for car-fare, which left me $1.37 for. my lsbor ; and that poor woman who supported her husband, herself, and her child, by her hard Iabor, COULD EARN ONLY $2.84 PER WEEE. ¢WVe hear 80 much and so repeatedly about the pauper-labor of Europe ; but I would really like %o kuow if any of the Earopcan cities can pro- duce any worse cases than these : “Oneof my neighbors called upon me, a few deys since, and said she wished she could gev some sewingtodo; times wero so hard this winter that they were falling behind, and, as her baby cou!d walk now, she thought she could spare & little time from her household dulies to do some sewing for others, if she could get it. 1 told her she could have pants to make 1if she wanted them, and then I gave her my ex- perienc in trving to earn a littlo money. 4 (11 16 cents per [pair is the markel-price,’ ghe said. *and all pay above the markot-price is charity, I would rather apply to the Reliof Socie- ty, and LIVE OX CHARITY ALTOGETHER, than I would work for such poor pay.' " It is evident that human pature is human nature, regardless of sex; and that the women are no better in many respects than the men. They have imbibed the same ideas ss their brothers in regard to labor, and bave coms to the conclusion that, when ic is impossible to make a liviog by their labor, they will strike and live in idleness. Ungrateful wretches, to refuse work when men are g0 anxious to fornish it to the dear creatures, at such remunerative rates. What marters itif che does have a house and Dbabies to take care of 2 She has an elastic tem- perament and an iron conatitution, and can bear ap under greater burdens than her brothors. Those noble 1adies who have formed them- selves into a society to dispense aid to the veorthy poor are reported to be shocked at the smount of poverty nud suflering theyencounter; but, baving put their hauds to the plow, they will not go back. Brave bearts, they are worthy of commendation, and we wish them God-speed. But, if it is so shocking to witness the suffering ‘among the poor, what must it be to BE COMPELLED TO EXDURE IT ? 2 No doubt the good Iadies hear from the dif- ferent pulpita the doctrine of total depravity hurled atthem ; but, alter they have been ‘among the poor and witnessed their sufferings, — in many instances borne With patient fortitude | or meek submisgion, y comoto the conclusion thet thero is, much of the Diyine in Luman nature. - Aes. M. D. WINEOOP. The Alleged Cheating of Workmene= Trades-Unions--A * Spend ¥Iis Own Money s Ile Fieascs Charity. To the Editor of The Chicago Tribune: Srm : * Gilbert Gurney's"” article in last Sun- day’s TaIBUNE ends with a shot at me because L don't happen fo know more relisble parties of the class I named. What information I had was from the best suthority; thero need be none better. 1If such things have been done in a fow cases, s he cites, thesp cases are the oxceptions which * PROVE THE OENERAL HONESTY of mankind, snd are not to be hold responsible for the present widely-extended financial diffi- calties. We are not the only people who are wearing ont Isst year's grost-costs, though we had thought, bofore wo laid them off in the spring, that they wore rather shabby even then; and other than Chicago's business-men count their currency beforo ordenng turtle-soup and Cliguot at Delmonico's or Brown’s, and finally decide, with a brave effort at doing the inevitable grace- fully, that they can’t afford it, and feel rather glad, on the whole, that Lent is approaching, when sackeloth and ashes will be redeemed from the vulgarity of poverty by the saving grace of fashion. If our mechanics have allowed themselves to e systematically fleeced and robbed,—if they would submit to being hired and discharged on successive contracts, without pay, until, when the summer was over, poverty, nakednoss, and starvation wera upon themselves and families,— thoy sro ouly entitled to contempt and the severest censure; but I DO NOT BELIEVE it was vory oxtensively practiced, because I do not believe they are such fools a8 to admit of its being done. Tt would srguo il indeed for their intelligence that a set of contractors, to whom they need be, and probably in no _sentv weve, inforior, could use them for tools in this way. I don't believe, cither, that they want to_sssume this position, or ihank snyone for placing them in eo un- favorable a light ; and. sfter making them ob- jeets of ridieule, claiming sympathy for them on Buch grounds. Why not say at once what we all know : that the number of people Who Bave no income ex- cept what thoy derive from day-labor is at all times in excess of work ; and that now, when many branches of business are virtually at stand-still. when individual resources and credit are taxed to tho ntmost, snd the city’s treasur; tomporarily depleted, they are sufering, and wi have to suifer, with others? 'TRADES-UNIONS AND CO-OPERATIVE BOCIETIES cannot furnish them the one thing needil— wwell-paid work—vwhon there is none ; and, wher there is any to bo done, they can got it without them. Any organization which compels its members to be economical and self-denying will Do, 1n some sort of & way, & benefit ; and Unions or Lesgues, by Qomanding from their members = stated weekly or monthiy sum which it pro- poses to hold as a trust-fund_until sach time as They may nood it, will mid in doing this: but they are too oftéa unwicldly bodies, whase ob- Ject is power, and whose expenses absorb these deposits as hopelessly as do 1nsolvent Savings Banks. . A man can do all this for Limself without their aid, if he haa the will to do, and persists in . doing, what ho knows is right, and what he must do if he ever attains a competency. I am strongly in favor of the latter course, because it encourages and dovelops & man's self-respect and independence, sad leaves him free aad un- fottered by obligations that may harden into bands of iron. Restrictions of this kind should be aeclf-imposed, and, in keoping them intact and sacred, a man becomes, in tie fullest sense, that noblest thing on earth': MASTER OVER HIMEELF. Thore may be strength in union in some cases but there is dangor too. Somg one must stan at the head of the orgenization; some one must control its affairs, and members too, for that matter; aud doubtless some one will hold the funds of the society; and human nature will crop out here as broadly as in other positions of responsibility and trust, where men have usurped power and betrayed confidence. These bodies may succeed well in England or Wales,and some day (God grant it bo far off!), when' the habit into which we have got, of thinking and acting for ourselves, is corrected, they may work well hero. JMonoy and muscle have ever been opposite powers, but INTELLECT OONTROLS BOTH. To him who posscsses a good fund of practical common-sense, poverty is 88 little dreaded as "ara the bugbears with which our childish imag- ination peopled the dark, now that we are older “fl Reason bas lit her torch and shown us our folly. 1 'wish correspondents would all remember, in expressing themselves, that this question is the ono that absorbs public attention now,—tbat eople unfold their TRibusE on Sunday mora- ing, and turn to it with moreinterest than to the 1ast, chapter of » continned novel; and that they would try to be honest, giving, a8 we say, * the Devil his due,"—the French put it more protily : W A chaque saint sa chandelle, "—(To every saint his candle),—and not say such hard things about the rich. Wiy ghould a man be obliged to work *’ IF DE CAN LIVE WITHOUT IT? For what do we slave, economise, and deny oureelves even needed comforts, but that we may accumulate the means to enjoy rest and ease by- and-by? If we indulge in luxuries we have not the means to pay for, we may be justly re- proached for doing 5. Few of us would work very hard uniess wowere obliged to; for, say what you like about the dignity of the thing, I notics others are nomore in love with dignii] when it comes in that shape than I am, and I don't even pretend to It Abuse and ndicule “rich dropes” if you like; but don’t you know, ** Abusus non tellet usum"? Not one dollar can go out of my purse for use- 1ess luxuries but it must go intothe purse of the producer of that luxury, and thenca to the work- man who produced it, The wines, the bon-bon: tho purple and fine linen, tho works of art, an every exquisitely wrought gom which the ' rich {ngmga in, must be the product of graded abor, Does it rob the poor if I keep them in work for the gratificstion of my vavity or esthetic tastes? I repeat what I have eaid before. We are dependent on one another, rich and poor. 1t is no consolation to me to see others poor, and I do not preach resignation to them, but ratlier the reverse ; still, 1 say, success must always depend with them wupon individusl effort. ; 1 like those—be they monopolists, capitalists, or private individuals—whocan say of their hou- estly acquired wealth, By mine own right arm Dbave I gotten this ;" and Ilove to see them rest when tho struggle for possession has been crowned-with success, If they rolled in ermine and blazed in dismonds THEY BAVE A RIGIT TO, * and I conld not envy it. 11 I do not see the digni? of labor when one does not need to do it, I do ses the grand dig- nity of the trinmph that comes through it when one is obliged to doit, and does it -bravely. If His Batanic Majesty came to me in that shape, I am afraid I should worship him without waiting for an invitation to do so. The united and _concerted effocts of Trades- Unione, 8o far s I have seen auything of their workiog, are only force against force. They only sy, in spint and action, “You won’t; we won't; see which is strongest;” and they seem calcalated to foster s _spirit of dependonce and weakness in their members, unbecoming the energetic, go-shead character of which we, a8 Americans, are 80 justly prond, and to place the many at the mercy of the fow; for here, as else- where, it will be B MIND OVER MATTER. T do not think there is danger of stupofying the world wilk the narcotic of our charities while we are 8o intensely human as we know ourselves to be; neither do Icall that charity which many 46, but & tribute we pay ourselves, —a sort of peace-offering to the conscience that will not let us eat while our peighbor is hungry, 2 Which makes the leaping tonguos of flame thak shoot wp from well-filled grates reproach us most elogaently while our neighbor1s cold and his hearthatone cheerless. “The gold and the silver are mine, and_the cattle upon a thousand hills,” said the Lord of Hosts ; and. if His, are not ours alone: and the bestowal of the goods we hold,—the freo, gen- erous ministrations to the sants of othsrs from our stores, be they large or emall,—brings a pleasure most of us are too selfish to deny our- salves. GARNET B. FREEMAN. Forcigners in America--A Cannibalise tic Suggestion, To the Editor of the Chicago Tribune : Sm: It is a source of soms surprite to me that none of your correspandents have yet called oy cen hardly fal to | do mot go to church on Sundsy, aftor all, | their prosent troubles, in a great measure, to Man’s Kight to | final clincher, d attributed their careless indifference to such matters in geveral. Probably. however, this is being reserved as & after it is satiefactorily proved that their poverty is entirely their own fault} | which, perhaps, is not very far from the truth, though in a way rather different from what some would like to admit. AT 1 was also surprieed that foreigners wore not informed. long befors last Sunday, that, if there was anything distasteful to them in this * Great Republic,” they were at perfect liberty to BETURX WHENCE THEY OAME. I supposed tho general impression was, that foreiguers were all aware thoy possessod this priviloge. It appoars that one of your correspondents, . berore favoring the public with this piece of in- formation, experimentally tested its effect on a species of something that he terms an irate Teuton.” The result is not recorded ; but the supposition is, that the said “irate Teuton™ folded his tent like the Arab, and silently stole awsy. It may possibly be expected that all dis- satisfiod foreigners will do the same; but, alas! no. Railroad nnd steamship companies give no crodit, and money these grumblers have not.— having, 25 somebody 62ys, * frittered it all away in paying their bills,"—the majority of them not having been with us long enough to learn our Amencan method of making a littlo go & long |/ way. I)r'. appears to be a puzzling mystery to some, why thoy Eemist in jumping out of the frying- pan into the fire; i other words, leaving their own country to come to & worse, The explanation is something like this: Transportation companies make 3 large profit ou emigrants of all kinds ; and it may not have occurred to some of your correspondents that, the more emigrants, THE MORE PROFIT j and, the more of both, the merrier. What these companies did after the Chicago Fire, they are in » lesser dogree, perhaps, doing allthe time. The fall, winter, and spring_following tnat event, pamphlets were issucd in England and Europe generally, aunouncing the great scarcity of mechanics here, and the high wages they \were receiving ; and a_statement appcared in the papers that & mechanic could come here, work during the summer and fall, and return L\OD‘IKD t\\'il.h anest little sum of mouey in his et. For the truth of all this, I refer to Tue CuI- ca@o TuIBUNE of that time. Iu case, however, some of your readers are 8o utterly demorsalized as to doubt the reliability of THE UNE, I will state that ¢ases came uader mmy own personal observation,—one case in par- ticular, where au Englishman, misled by these Teports, left a wifo and six children, and came here expecting to make enough in a_vear or g0 to return home and start a little business, 1t is neadlees to say that, after getting here, his views were modified considerably, and he ap- peared grateful to any one who would listen to his woes. Of course, everybody wondered he bad no better seuse ; indeod, I believe I myzelf told him HE WAS A FOOL and it sorved him right, but, poor wretch! he appeared to derive no consolation from that. o should oe spared many absurd remarks if some of your correspondents would—or, per- haps, conld—only think a littls before writ- ing, for 1 would not accuse_them of any unwil- lusguess in this respect. Whether the failing is chronie or not, however, the Iack of thonght is pawnfally apparent in some of the communica~ tiona. Who, for instance, in the habit of thinking for himself, would assert that the United States has a right to expect gratitude from her foreign population ? Gratitude for what? For the privilege of turning prairies into corn-flelds, and cgnuibuiing more than_one-balr of our rev- enus 1 abstain from forther remarks on this sub- ject, for L have a suggestion to make : Sdme of your correspondents may be aware that, in a case somowhat resembling our own, when money and work were scarce, Dean Swift proposed that tho children of the poor be sold to the rich as an article of food. This proposition, somewhat modified, is worthy of consideration at the presens time. The children of working people in Chicago are probably too ill-condinoned this winter to be of any demand amongut the rich as food ; but there seems no reason why they could not be UTILIZED BY THEIR OWN PARENTS in this way. :_Thera may be soms little difficalty at first in me'éting the vulger prejudices of the Jower classed'on this subject; but I think, if the Relief Society were to atop supplies for a fow days, thess could be overcome. Then let the enormous advantages to bo gained by sucha courso be properly explained to them. Parcnts—or at least the mothers—would have tho consolation of knowing what they were eating. . Let the girls bo taken first. Pressnt and fature population can thus be limited, and by a ‘method more immediate and more practical every way than that proposed by Multhus. he boys can bo ensily reduced afterward, by employing them on the railroads as brakesmen, te. etc. Every girl eaten would not only contribute materially to the support of the family, by sup- plying it with fresh snimal food, but, at tho Uatne time, would lessen tho number of mouths to be fod, for fomales—among the working ctasses—partake of food themselves. The clothes also could be worn by the other children,—thus incroasing their comfort and health, and giving thema better chance of grow- iniup}.o be useful citizens. ot it seems TMPOSSIBLE TO AYOLD ENTHUSIASM once the advantages of this sastam have become apparent. FILBERT GURNEY. Yorkshire vs. Chicago—A Discontented Yorkshireman. To the Editor of The Chicago Tribune: Sre: Will you permit me to say & few words in'reply to the three critics on “ Yorkehire va. Chicago?” J. Gilmore says the custom in sll parts of England is to pay rent by the week for furnish- ¢d or unfurnished apartments. I would remind him that the custom of Yorkshire, as a rule, is s yearly tenancy, pagable half-yearly, terminat- ing on the yearly day. Furnished apartments are very rare. We are a truly domesticated peo- ple, each family occupying, & house. Thero are not- & number of families huddled together in one house, and families boarding in hotels, a8 in Chicago. #J, G." agserts that provisions of all kinds are at least 25 per cent chesper here than in most of the towns in England with & population numbering anything like that of Chicugo. This assertion is made ‘WITHOUT PROOY, comparative prices, facts or figures, and there- fore is worthlesa to the question at issue. +¢J. G." then wanders off to London to com- pare the rents of a city nine times larger than Chicago. Ihave been in London many times; but I plead gailty to the lack of presumption to risk an opinion on the comparative rents of the two cities, unless I was thoroughly acquainted with them. Inthe outset of my letter I took my standpoint in Yorkshire, contrasting it with Chicago, and there I shall abide, well knowing the matters and prices whereof I speak ; nor can I be led or dragged from it by “J. G.” to London or sny other large town outside Yorkshire, ] The veriest ignoramus knows that there is more raw and maunfactured material admitted duty-froe, or comparatively DUTY-FREE, in Yorkshire than in Chicago. I counldstart from Chicago to-day and go to Yorkshire, pay my fase there and back sgain to Chicago, pay my ex- penses for an absence of 1wo months,—purchas— ing in Yorkshire two overcoats, two dress-coats, two vests, two pairs of trowsers, two hats, three pairs of boots, one dozen pairs of hoze, four pairs of drawers (woolen), four flannel shirts or four sillkk undershirie, half-a-dozen neckties, two dozen linen collars, half-a-dozen pairs of linea onffs, gloves, etc.,—and after paying all ex- renses there and back, have some pocket-money eft in buying them there, as compared to buy- ing similar articlesin Chicago. This is Free~ Trade Yorkehire, against Protective Chicago. Ladies can complete a wardrobe on equally ad- vantageous terms. J. G. hopes I may become a good citizen of the United States, the peer of auy nation in the world. I haveresided here five years, and have tried to learn the tical working of Republi- can institutions, I love the good opinions of all moral and reugious men, bat would not hide my views ‘under a bushel, on a proper occasion, in order to flatter 'the inordinate vanity of Republicans. . Taking the old axiom for my standard, viz: The best Gov- attention to the fact that warkipsman, as A tpla, | emmans is that which is best administered. itis my Dbalance, that the British El EST ADMINISTERED, and is superior to this Republican form, as ex- hibited in its practical workinga. S 1am not a citizen of the United States, tor ehall I ovor serve an apprenticeship of five years to bscome one, amongst a people who know com= paratively little of politics, and practice less ; Whose political history Las been doclining the past thirty-five years. There is no eartbly con- sideration could indace me to forswear my al- Jegianco to my Queen and country, really the peer_of all nutions, brag excepted. _ “E.C.” complains about grumblers, Now. it is tho grumblers who are .the instruments in the reformation of all abuses. Grumblers gave us Mazna Charta, deposed King Charles, threw the tea into Boston harbor ; and grumblers will, by peaceful and legitimate intercourse with the capitalist, induce him to pay the wages of tho lavorer in fall to the nttermost cent, every re- curring Monday evening. I hold that the em- ployer has no moral right to use the two weeks’ capital of the laborer, without payiog him a legal rate of interest for its use. There is no equity in that law which garnishes a laborer's wages for debt, and which does not attach to an em- ployer's real estate for debt. The workman who expended his hard-eamed money on tasteless, tallow-flavored, grisly mut- ton, ought to send his wife in future to buy some of the employer's pretty " tough beef at from 8 to 12 cents, and get his teeth filed with the difference betwixs 8 and 18 cents. The * Freo-Born American ” comes next. Ho £ays he can buy good beef at from 10 to 15 cents per pound. en doctors disagree, who shall docide ? Way, THE YORESOIREMAY, of course ; he gives 18 ccuts,—tho samo pricons the bulk of the housekeepers o the Bouth Sids pn{ for sirloin-sterk. am as much against basr and whisky as the “ Freo-Born Amernigan” can be, but csnnol see why the burden of his songis on the poor, to the neglect of the rich wine-drinker. If the * Freo-Born American” were posted on both sides of the g\mntlon of sugar sold by retail in Chicago snd Yorkshire, his opinion might be worth printing. We sell in Yorkshire what is commonly known as crystalized sugar, graded s Nos. 1,2, and 3. No. 3 is abont equal 1m quality to your granulated sugar here, = 'L'wo ‘months ago, No. 3 crystal sugar was sold at 10 cents per pound in” Yorkshire, and raw sugar (which you call brown)at 6 conts per pound. Vory little of rawsugar is used in Yorkshire, and’that is chiefly nsed for pastry, sweetmeats, and eoloring food. Lump sugar (not used here) is 11 cents por pound. We can biy good toa 1 Yorkshire at 62 cents per pound; but my con- trast has invariably been of eimilar qualities in Yorksbire and Chicago. Free-Born American,” the change occurred when you received our criminal porulation; it puriticd our population; and, 88 like can ouly produce like, it degraded your standard below ours. The foreigner is invited here by the American agents abroad, and, not finding the reprosenta- tions to agree with the practical working, e passes them through *tne ordeal of coutrast.” That ordeal s not at all palatable to the ** Free- Born American,” who resents it with THE CONCEITED INSOLENCE characteristic of his race, and orders me back to the place whence his brother-citizan invited me; a3 though the *‘Free-Born™ citizen had given better protection to life and liberty than the Yorkshiromsn had given sn oquivalent for. Had the order to return boen sccompanied with a check on the * Free-Born Amorican's” banker for 8100, to compensate me for that smount which I expended before securing employment, it would have been more satistactory. 1t is just Tere where the shoe pinches. I want to return, buc have not the means wherewith to return —a dilemma in which hundreds of others are placed. By the sale of my goods I was enabled to bring all my family from Yorkshire to Chica- go, with 100 to spare; whereas tho amount realized from the falo of my goods now would not carry us to Pittsburgh. The * Free-Born American” asserts that, 1f wo adopted the same stsle of liviag hore as al home, we conld Iay up more money here in one our than we could lay up there m two. Tho Yorkshireman i stouter, healthier, and betier- clad, on his native hills, than he is here. Indi- vidually, I lived ° BETTER THERE THAN HERE. This panic has placed 15,000 laborers on the vergeof starvation. The moment laborers are thrown out of employmont, it is & proof that they canuot earn anything to lay up for & TAiDy day. Iam, yours respoctfully, Cizrcaao, Jan. 28, 1374. YORESHIREMAN. Another Discontented Englishmans-« Elis Expericnce in This Countrye. To the Editor of The Chicago Tribune: Smm: There were two or three articles in your issuo of last Sundey that I would like tosay a few words about. One writer ssks: If we wers 8o much bet- ter off in the Old Country.than here, why did did we not stay there? or, if we have jumped out of the frring-pan into the fire, why we don’t jump back again. At the risk of being thought egotistical, 1 will give * MY EXPERIENCE in the matter. I was first induced: to come to this country through heariog, from ** Americsn Agents of Emigration,” of the wonderful supe- riority of this country over sll others; and, be- lieving their statements to be true, I thought that the proper thing to do, for a man With & good trade in his fingers and a littls. capital to back it, was to pack up and off to this famous Jand of liberty and big pay, which I accordingly did,—first taking to myself & wifeto share my good fortunes (7). Arriving here, I set upin business ; but, curious to relate, Idid not suc- ceed. Some folks said I was too honest. Of couree this was nonscnse! At any ratoI soon lost my money, and so SHUT UP BHOP. Then I determined that, assoon I counld get tog ether as much mouey as I brought out with me, I would do the next best thing : go back; 60 I went abead, working like a black, from night till morn, from morn till night. Isoon found that I was much too ambitious, however, so I modided my desires litile, and made up my mind that, 88 soon aa I could save half as much as 1 brought out, I would go home. O I went agan like a fresh-wound clock, and_another good epell passed over my head; and I have now, after being nearly five years in the country, determined that, a8 soon a8 I can get suflicient money to PAY THE PASSAGE of myzelf, wife, and two children, I will start right off. "iis, then, is why I didu’t stay st homs; also, * why, in the nams of reason, I don't go back again.” SAnother writer has mentioned the name of Mr. Bradlaugh. Permit me to assura’the Amer- ican rmblirfi through your columns, that in En- 2land Mr. Bradlaugh doesn't lead anybody. The British workman has too much sel{-respect snd common sonse to be nfluenced by a man who deuics the existenco of an Alxnifi:nyv God. The same writer says: * Whea any of our Senators or Assemblymen get out of faver, they very soon get out of office.” Thiais nonsense. Why, sir, eice the days of the barbarians, no country ‘has_tolerated such & crowd as these same Salary-Grab Credit-Mobilier Senators and Assomblymen, who never get out of office on ac- count of their stealings. Another writar;nya: “If a great many of those who spend money on beer and whisky in the summer” would not do 8o, **they would have moro to live on in the winter.” Now, though I am not *‘a manof one ides,” I have not spent a dollar on_ beer or whisky for tha last five years; aud yet I would just asreadily starve a8 any ona else if I were out of work. Ho says that, when Old-Country people come here, ““thoy Jaunch out into all the luxuries of the day.” Nov, one reason why I am dissatisfied with this country is, that there are no kind of luxuries WITHIN THOE BEACH OF A WORKINGMAN; and, if the writer of the above will show me that I am wrong in this, or of what his *‘luxuries” consist, I will be one degreo better satisfied with my stay here. ‘He vays he would be ashamed to have it known that he liad to prowl around back yards to pick up crusts. I would like to seo this * Free-Born g braggart placed in the position of many snewly- arrived Englishman, whose very nationality is 3 bar to his being ‘employed fby a great many people in this conntry. I walked the strects of Chicago nearly five months, and have felt many » pang; a5 the scornful lip or the sncering smilo was the only reply to my almost supplication. God pity us sl who flupcud for either aid or P‘? on such a “ hard nut " as he evidenilyis! t sppears to me that the sum totalof the ‘whole matter is, that, if & map has been miser- ably poor in the Old Country, he is bound to be better off here, it being impoesible for him to be any worse than probably his idlencss made him there, and so he 18 sure to praise the coun- try; BUT AN AVEBAGE MECHANIC, who has had » fair run of work, been tolerably ¥aving, vot & diunkard, aod has had respectablz social counections. is better off, enjoys life more, and does cob work near 8o hard. in En- g;nd a8 he does in the United States to-day. spectlully, C.H.C. FLORENCE M'CARTHY. The Woes of a Modern Baptist Preacher. He Unbosoms Himself Fully to a Reporter After a Preliminary Talk on the g Antiquity of His Race. He Is Persecuted by Poor Sing- ers -and Vacillating Creatures, And Is the Constant Victim of Mis- taken Identity. Hie Will Never Resign,and €lamors for a Trial The Deacons Think Him an Able Man, but a Little Insane. His Langnage is Peculiar and His Tse- {fulness Gone. They Want Him to Quietly Resign and Have No Trouble. The tremendous unpleasantness that has been in progress between the pastor and the Deacons of the Union Park Baptist Church for several ‘months past has directed public curiosity toward the main point at issus in the controversy. Scandal, the prolific child of busy rumor and industrious gossip, bas already given the quar- rel several dozen different aspects, each excoed- iog the other in point of hideousness. Church quarrels have, unfortunately, been too familiar to the American publio of late days, and, of course, Chicago could not hope to eszspe having her share of the excitement and factiousness generated by the sad fact of piously-disposed people having a falling ont. The tronble between the Rev. Florence Bc- Carthy aud the Deacons of his church has been already pretty well ventilated by the press, but intereat in tho matter has by no means subsided, a8 affairs appear to be rapidly approaching & grand crisis, in which one eide or the other must give way. The pastor has been, by resolution of » business meeting of the members of the church, requested to resign, but, 80 far, has shown no disposition to comply with the de- mand. Those who have come in personal con- tact with him, know that Mr. McCarthy is a good talker, and thore 8 s pgeveral dis- position on the part of friends end focs to acknowledge that he is not lacking in force of character and genuine ability. — e THE CLERICAL SIDE. The reverend pastor has his headquarters at the St. Caroline’s Court Hotel, on Elizabeth street, and to that handsome place of abodo o - Trisuxe roporter ropaired yestcrday mornicg for the purpose of having & quict talk wita the clergyman already mentioned. Teaching the oflice of the hotel, the reporter enconntered a very respectable looking youog colored gentlemen, who was cheerfully contem- lating the teath of 8 black-and-tan gu ac ead of which interesting animal was beld, vise- like, between the knees of this dark complexion- ed citizen. The latter abandoned his dentist- hke occupation on the approach oi tue roporter, and raised his lumivoug organy uf vis- ion to the face of the journalistid enussury. % Cgn I see Mr. McCarchy—is he athome?"” public. inquired the reporter. % Better let mo take npyour card. _Guess he's in, sah,” replied the couutrymaa ot Hanaibal. "Mho eard was given, and Pompey executed & pilgrimage to {he upper story of the house. He soon returned and led the way to the pastor’s apartment. The occupant of the room was standing at the door aud welcomed the visitor with Celtic warmth. A CORDIAL BECEPTION. + Glad to seo you, eir," he said; ‘‘iake a seat near the fire and warm your face and hands. You'reof Irish extraction, are you nos ?” = No. Mr. McCarthy,” tho reporter rejoined, “I'm not the extract—I'm the root itsell.” Qh, you're a genuine compound of the sham- sock st sprig of shillolak, are you ?" eaid the Rev. Florence. ** Well, my father and mother came from Kerry. I was born in thia country myself, but I'm Irish for all that. 1In fact, some of you newspaper-men have called me *the wild Irichman,' Some of ‘my f:iends the enemy’ aro trying to prove the wildnees.” THE ROOM. The reporter had now time to look around and It was tastefully furnished, see the room. and thero was a handsome book-case, provided with a kind of mosaic puve- Tent in the way of litoratare—theology, philology, gencalogy, and manyother ** oloz.cs,” Khich showed that the possessor was & man of taste and learning. AND THE MAN. The Rev. Florence bimsell is a man of medi- wm size, slightly but fimly built, Laving more the aspect of & French Cavadian than that of a diluted Milesian in his featurcs, He wears a simple mustache. His bair is dark, thin, and straight. MHis forehead is neithef good nor bad. He hassfirm chin, high cheok bones, & bilious complexion, & well-shaped nose, and ksen, flash- ing eyes that are neither black nor blue, but a combination of many colors. His manner is bearty anda gonisl; his voice. ring~ ing, mg his sccent refined. He was attired in piain black, and looked much more like, an ordinary bookkeeper thau a widely- konown preacher. Only for the smoothness of his hands, the Rev. Florence might easily pass for a boss shoemaker, or, perhaps, the foreman of & machina shop out for a holiday. He is per- haps tho most ordinary-looking extraordinary man in Chicago. THZ SEPT X'CANTHY. The reporter glanced at & copy of ™ Burke's Viciseitudes of Families,” which “was lyiog on & table at Mr. McCarthy's elbow: Tho clergyman said: “You're scquainted with this work? Well, I find bLere some his- tory of the Irish McCarthys, They can ftrace their lineage 1,100 years beyond or behind the Christian era. They are as old as the Ptolemys. No other {amily 1o Europe can go that far back—can there?” Roporter—Oh, ves—the O'Nedls and the *.o::o0rs, the O'Briens— The Rev. Florence—Ah, they can't go back like the McCarthys. We beat them all. Bo Burke says. We were & great family once. What wera we? As an Irishman, you ought to know Irish traditional history. p ANTIQUARIAN LORE. Reporter—The McCarthys, or McCaurahs, were, I beliove, Kings or Princes of Des- mond, or South Munaster, centuries before the ,Norman invasion. They came of the line of Hober, so says tradition. Tle Fitzgeralds, or Geraldines, who came over with Strongoow, shore their plumes, however, became Earls of Desmond and **more Irish than the Irish,” Butthe McOarthys were alwaysa great family. Tho Rev. Florence—True. I suppose Florence was the name of some favorite cuieftain? It is a favorite in the family. That's how I came by it, althoughI haveno reason to suppoee that my father was descended froms chief. Some of the retainera adopted the names of the chies, Ithink? Reporter—Thers wers, [ supposs, some euch cases, but the Imsh clauship system was the fame’ as the Scotch. There was no law of entail or primogeniture. They deposed fhe McCarthy, as the chief was called, if e displeased them, and then elected the best soldier of the clan to the chieftaincy. 'fhe same was done in case of death, Hereditary ti- tles were unknown in the relations between the clansmen and their chiefe. MODERN REJINISCENCES. A The Rev. Florence—That was & kind of policy to breed a wild spirit of independence, but the Eoplish, by the introduction of their system of i vassalage, broke it, You haye read Lady Mor- of B‘e cl :gc - PE’,’:‘Q’ o}{‘lo!r’c:é: !:[‘gq?rtby, of Dublinlfu:: Lhi urah,” Do you remember tha E;Aussaag?e where he aliudes to the antiquity of the Floronco MeCartby.” Was it the story Reporter—I guess 50. Let mo see— Montmorency—eJins, uakiomn was your rank— —eyed Tberlan ¥ ‘An your forefAhers wandsres. otire spd uakaac g_.;hlzc &':‘3‘1‘#,. G:-‘uhlquhxc: and sunny u:mmae,mm' e Jour fama was o come, Like the a_were Chieftains ? et O and Kings of the lne of NOW FOR BUSINESS. The Rev. Florence—Ave, that’s it. Well, now pouses the position in which I stand toward the eacons of my church, for, of couree, you cams to “interview " me on the subject, although I haven’t given you time to state tho object of your visit. I'm too much of *a McCaurah™ 1o allow myself to bs dictated to by half-a-dozen solfconceited Daacons, who are hardly warm in their seata. My *Irish " has been raised, and they cannot frighten it down in & hurry, for I lnl?vc been grossly wronged by the men I speak | THE ENEXY. Reporter—Who aro the Deacons that you have particalar coutlict with? Tl pastor opened a drawer in the table al ready mentioned, and drew therefrom a copy of the Ray, small periodical edited by himself ic the interest of the Union Park Baptist Church. He poiuted out to the reporter the. following nn}l{x}!:fl od, Socret: H. M. McC: . J. Reed, Secrefary; H. ) cCann, D. Marci, VB Biekers, Adam Wesoor "B, Sweet, and Amos Schrock. “There are, besides,” continued Mr. McCarthy, “Moses Jones and A. W. Kingslsnd, of the Board of Trustees. I regard these {woasmy most malignant eneries. They have done ail that they could to mar my reputation.” “ Perhaps, Mr, McCarthy,” suggested the ro- porter, ** You had better give me some history of your church troubles, as briofly as possible.” ‘The Rev. Florence used his fire-irons vigors oualy, threw himself back in his chair, conshed gently, and mads, in subatanco, tne following slateunent : HOW IT BEGAY, You must know that, about half a yoar ago, 2 great rovival commenced in my church, It wu Slorious. I baptized sixty-five persons in a very short time, and everything was progresing a1 well as any laborer in the viooyard of the Lort could desire. Woll,about this timo,or very soon af- ter,a young man named Duvid S. Wagner, former], Secretary of tho Board of Deacons,, commone circulating scandalons rumors codcerning my ‘moral principles, and my relations toward the female members of my congregation, of cortwin of them. This came to = my ears, and, I understood some of the 'Deacons were prejudiced sgainst me by the conduct of this man Wagner. I demand. ed an investigation, but they appeared to dis- like angthing of the kind. “Well, at aregular meeting of the church, held not long sgo, the Deacons I have named, one after another, arose in their places and said that they were sorry to be compelle. .o declare me unfit for the offico of pastor, aud that the best thing I could do was to resizn.” NOTHING BPECIAL. Reporter —Did they make any specifls chargos against you ? Alr. McCarthy —No; but ono of them, Mr. McCann, I think, rose and said the charges Fero of g0 delicite & character, or, rather, I shonld say, of such a character that they could not well b made in the presence of ladies. "At this » married Iady in the congregation ross and eaid that she claimed to be a vituous woman, snd, a8 the guardian of a family, she wanted to know whother I was a fit man to havo charge of the moral training of her children. As a mother and a member of the congregation, she demanded that the charges agawnst rie bo made A POOR CREATURE. This, however, did not suit the Descons. They insinuated, bat wonld not opealy impeach. Dut 21 torgot to tell you—before this I bad demanded that Wagner bo removed from the Secretaryship of the Board of Deacons. 1 had no enmity to the man,—who ia a poor, vacil- lating creaturs,—but it was unpleagant for me to have business rolations with such a person, so I demanded his immediate removal at a meetin; of the Deacons and Trustees. All of them vote for tne removal excepting Doses Jones, Reed, and Kingsland. They resigned thair ofices— Jor.ea sotting the example. TNE BARYTONE.. Reportor—That is r. Jones, of the Board of ‘Prade ? What is he now in tho churehr? Mr. McCarihy.—He's in the choir, and "twould be a good deal better if he were out of it. He has a barytone, execrsble enough to make you gick tn iiston toit. Mr. Jones is o gallant—he was w. | before he was married, and I had occa- 100 10 rebuke im not long ago for carrying on a desperate flirtation with & fair member of "the congregation. That is why he is my enemy. 1 T do not desire, for the lady's sake, to be more definite in my statement. Mr. Jones is a mar- ried man and ought to be pradent in his conduct, I took the liberty of telliug him 8o once, which explamns_his hostility to myself. Pitkott's en- mity s also _mized up with that of Ar. Jones, but I only did my duty in the premises, and have nothing to reproach myseif with. . . 'Reporter—What do you suppose was thoin- famous business, that the Doacon did not lika to ‘mention it openly ? Mr. McCarthy, in reply, stated that it was s conversation betseen Franc Wilkie aud Lia- self, and afterwards between the miniater and a Tmermber of his congregation, which it is not con- sidered advisable to reprodace. Mr. McCarthy then continued: Any other charges sgainst me are mero fabrications, al- though Iam asaro that the partics who oppose - me have insinuated things that make some very excellant peopls in my congreza- tlon imagine that I am one of the worst of ~mankind, Tu fact, they leave it to bo supposed that I am a libertioe, a charge which I can afford to despise, for my conscienss is clear of any stain of impurity. * NOTHING DEFINITE. Reporter—Have ':l{ definite charges been ‘made against you at all ? r. McCarthy—Nothiog dofinite—all insinaa- tion, which is worse. A direct charze can b grappled with,~it is tangiblo. An insinustion ?u tiplies itself, and overwhalms you by its am- iguity. Bepzrcer—’m:m you maintain that thero isno foundation in the charges, indefivite or other wise; made against your moral character? MISTAKEN IDENTITT. Mr. McCarthy—No fonndation uniess that of mistake or malignity. Iam, a8 you msy ree, & man of such appearance that I may bo readily mistaken for another. I'll give youscasa or two in point: Once.not long 8go, & cortaln prominent member of my church, in company with another gentleman, was passing along Kin- zie streat. They passed by a lager beer saloon, and the church-member said to his companiont “+Stop; I see my paator in there 1" Well, they waited for me to come ont, and when I did come out—it wasn't I. [Langhter by all preseut.] Toporter—That was somewhat bawilderiog 4 the ehurch-member, I should think ? . ANOTHEE CASE. Mr. McCartay—Oh, it didn't stop there. One evening, nfter eervice, thateamo geatleman's daughter thought that T was essor:zing her home, but when she reached her father’s house_she found that it was quite s different man. That you gee, is how a mao may easily be miataien Jor another and have to bear the biame of bif actions. Reportor—The young lady must bave hads very short distance to g0 ? ) . McCarthy—Quly 8 fewrods. She lived right pear Union Park, but still it was & case ot mistaken identity. = N0 SUCH TETXO. " Reporter—Well, what do you proposs todoin this matter of the re solution calling upen youto rosign ? 3 - Mr. McCarthy—I'm not. going to resign They cau turn me out, Iadmit; batIwanis trial. If there is anything to expose, I want I exposed. If 1 have dono anythiog that i3 mw: and vile, I want the world to know it. 1 wanl these Deacons to make their charges, if tbeJ haye anything to charge me with, I don't war! 1o bo treated in the manner they propose. resign, I virtnaly eurrender to ‘their infamons insinuations. How could I placa myself in 8: degrading a position, when I have nothing 19 By afraid of ? They'll have to turn me ont, and, i they refuse me & trial, tga generons public decide between them and me. “Reporter—How long have you been pastor of the Union Park Church ? Mr. )lcClflIh]—A littlo ov:g:altne {::l:; 7o orter—It was nol your pas ? B N0y I bad another church f2 York State, where I remained for & year half. = Reporter—You are quits youthfal lookiog till. - *\fr. McCarthy—T am in my 85th yesn, but most people suppoze that I am not so old- A FULL EXPLANATION COMING.. " Reporter—Do 3ou proposo to do anythiod boat this matter Sunday mOrRing 2 & ;I?r. Mcncmy——-fu. Ido, I sball %o my couszexation: X have not doas 20 Yoh