The Bismarck Tribune Newspaper, December 7, 1927, Page 6

er ar de st as fo dc + oe ad Homie eer ee Bs bers . wee aA FI PAGE SIX Hullabaloo Caused in FORMER ROLE FAVORED IN VALLEY L00P Abolishment of Scouts Is All Right in Theory, But Not in Practice DUAL TEAMS CAUSE STIR Record Keepers and Cheering Sections Likely to Be Puzzled BY ALAN J. GOLD (Associated Press Sports Editor) Kansas City, Mo., Dec. 7.—(AP) —All the hullabaloo over football scouting isn’t confined to the New England precincts, where Harvard and Yale are on opposite sides of the fence. The Missouri Valley conference has operated this year under a gen- tleman’s non-scouting agreement but it probably will be cast aside another season, witl. the scouts back in their open-and-above-board roles, to judge from sentiment that is coming from most of ‘he valley schools, At least a good share of the coaches and other athletic officials hereabouts feel that the abolishment of scouting is all right in theory but not 80 in practice. Others, more blunt about it, term no -scout- ing as “bunk.” They consider it breeds hypocrisy and suspicion in the dealings between old gridiron rivals, rather than helpin’ to elim- inate the so-called “over-emphasis” in football. Cite Missouri Game The incident of the Kansas-Mis- souri game ha blown over but ob- servers cite it as an example of the disadvantages of a non-scouting policy, It was understood that neither university would have any official scouts, But it seems that an ex-Kansas official, on his own initiative, scouted Missouri in the Towa State game. His observations found their way back quite naturally to the Kansas coaching staff. After a mediocre season, Kan:as rellied to wallop Missouri, the conference leader. There er. reverberations and explanations. Yale, an ardent supporter of the Nen-scouting policy, effected agree- ment with most of its 1927 oppon- ents on this principle. But there ‘was nothing to prevent rival coaches from studying play-by-play ac- counts of carat games a “ey ohes papers, observing publish pho graphs and other informative ma‘ ter about the Elis. Harvard already had served notice that it does not subscribe to the non-scouting prin- ciple. The crimson entered its agreement with Yale thi. year largely as a trial measure and with- out much enthusiasin. It was while he was at Cambridge that the late Perey D. . Haughton built up one of the most efficient scouting systems in the country. Scouting, Haugh- ton held, was fundamental. His in- fluence carries on. Dual Team Will Puzzle The idea of having two varsity elevens in competition adopted by Michigan for 1928 and apparently likely to be followed by Iowa and other schools, may give rec ord keep- ers some additional moments of ‘worry. It will be all right so long as there is a clear line between the “varsity” and “junior varsity” observers point out, but the cheering sections may be a b’ puzzled if two evenly teams, each playing regu- Jar schedules, are turned out by a single school. For instance, the roar for the v' tory of team A on any Saturday a: ernoon might be stilled by reports of disaster t- team B on a foreign gridiron. Or the claims of a cham- pionship for team X of another in- . stitution maight have a hollow echo Weeeres? position of Team Y. Then, too, critics point ot that while the formation’ of t teams will aoe rare Leecony a france. to Rarticipat competition, i ly comes under the head of discourag- tetbe played and tio “gates"io be e Pi s collected. _ By MorrissAckerman ‘What's the lowdown on as rous in the sou' as they used to be but still ‘very much worthwhile as a hunting bet. bush fires and the boll weevil are ed for the de- struetion, even more so thar the susil 2 Not the ‘birds will snow. wilt peers fe ezust on 8] = "Bob Wakes as aeatie os Georgia, Alaba! Mis.|ing Jaffe and Lew "en- inas and othe: eine ern. bird | disc i ‘Some seasons, in a given place,|¢tand, three years ago. Dlentiful” ‘The’ next a But . the| tion any more, but his team mates or. the last rip abroad—Duke Don- H Maificlent “food and sccsan| ovan-of Binghamton, Joe Moore of ler on the 1928 team. Wallace Mitchell, Henry Nelson ue Perlbe: ittebuny Pitt th, Li fit and dong McNamara Might \ Just How Good Is This Boy? RUBY ROBERT’ FOUGHT Wit GREAT SUCCESS IN THREE DNISIONS:» WHO'S THE CHAMPION? IT DEPENDS ON WHAT STATE YOU'RE IN TODAY up clai for _Labarba’s vacated championship. In Labarba’s own state, Califorria, title recognition ganizations Have Made or has been given to Johnny McCoy of El Paso, Texas, after an “elimina- Deposed Professional Rinz} ia Ring tion tournament.” Willie Dav: is Rulers Through Variety oti the ee fi . 42 Tankie enaro, 01 Processes — Ring Politics| champion is out with revived title jopes. Newsby Brown of Sit x Cause Muddle City and Corporal Izzy Schwartz are formidable contende! The battle to establish feather- \ State and National Boxing Or- New York, Dec. champion? It depends on whe’: state|that it broke up the fri ycu’re in nowadays before that ques- | Working ik oni Pe, tion may be settled in no fewer than! ¢ i oe ei four of the main boxing divisions. {the crown on the thatch of At no previous time in rig his-, Bass and insisted . tory has there been as ...uch dispute bas aie aie a as 4 s0 without Be aes sean ctr RI lees State tested against Tony Canzon izations | i: have made or dcposed professional seas ler en ee ring rulers through a variety of} ,- Processes, Local pride anc ring pol-} N itics have contributed their share to the muddle. The causes of this fistic furor are traced from tho “act that Fidel La- barba, the dashing little flyweight champion, decided to give up his world’s title and go to college; that Charley (Phil) Rosenberg lost the bantam crown on the scales and drew official disfavor upon himself; that Johnny Dundee and then Kid Kaplan relinquished the feather- weight title for inability to make the class weight; and that Jack Deaney, the erstwhile Rapier of the North, voluntarily retired from the light heavyweight throne. Many Claim Title In a subsequent scramble at leas a half dozen 112-pounders have set SKATERS OUT FOR OLYMPICS; America’s First Bid For Worid' Athletic Honors Will Be on Ice ‘ hip and en the i L-xing laced York York has never put its approval on him. Othe isn’t much, if any dou Terre Haute scrapper is ¢ the top place. New York and Penn. that the lieht hea longs to Tcmmy Loughran sult of his defeat of } 3 but the National Boxi tion considers Jimmy ruler of the 175-pounde: B. A. conducted a two-ma: “ a tion” and awarded recognition to Slattery for defe. ting Max Rosen- bloom. McTigue, be: tin Loughran, hac been t i of Delaney’s cr cision of the New powers. through de- ork boxing seems, like his bicycle, to be built of rubbe: and steel. In the race at the Garden Namara is paired again Georgetti, young Me- th Franco Italiz+ of the must be “through.” LOU DESCRIBES _ HARDEST PLAY (Gehrig Thinks Ground Ball Near First Base Causes ‘Confusion New York, Dec. 7.—?—Ametica’s firs: bid for 1928 Olympic honor., in the winter sports to be held at St. Moritz, Switzerland, next February, will include the sending of four speed skaters to the ice events. The list of fourteen candidates | for positions on the skating team, as | losed by the International Skat- | ing Union, includes several veter- ans of the 1924 Olympics, but docs not include Charles Jewtraw, the Lake Placid flash, who scored Amer- ica’s only individual vitory in the 400-meter event at Chamonix, Switz- the play at first’ alone on a ground ball or toss it to the p'tcker who is covering, is the hardest play in base- ball for a first baseman, thinks Lou Gehrig, star of the Yankees. At least that is the way it strikes him. “When a first baseman handles a ground ~ ball when playing deep, he must ., make up his mind quickl; as to what intends to door he will lose the deci- sion,” says Gehrig. “With the pitcher racing over to cover, a first hough: js to toss the ball. Often when I do, I could have made the play better alone. “I guess it would have been bet- ter in the fourth series had I done that, rzther than toss the ball to Pitcher Moore, who! 4 ecvered. He muffed the ball and |, Mc-| gave the Pirates chaz to score the two runs that ‘ied up the game.” Jewtraw is not in active competi- New York and Valentine Bialir of Saranac Lake, N. Y.—are out to gain her likely contenders are Irv- Morris of New York, O’Neil Farrell, Eddie M. Knudten of Chica; of Cleveland, Juhn Guentker of De- isco of Minreapolis. - Set Bike Record New York, Dec. 7.—(P)—Reggie the “Iron Man” of 7.-(P)-Who's the| weight title claims became so hot! jenny New York, Dec, 7.—When to make | | Mo: after his ‘knockout of Mickey Is Seeker of Tri - Title ALL-AMERICAN Crowns in Three Divisions DEBATE BOILS Hold Lure For Modern Ruby Robert | Just how good is Mickey Walker? | Or let’s put it this way, What part is luck playing in the present | fistic fireworks, furnished by the | Elizabeth, N. This question is met with a dumb look from the educated boys who had the boss of the middles pegged] Will be some time before the all- one about ready for the dleaners.| of them figured the “Toy Bull-| In fact it just seems to be gather- was on his last legs and even} ing headway, J., Irishman? THE BISMARCK TRIBUNE Two Sections by F v SOLUTION OF DUAL BOXING TITLES SEEN Tourney Is Favored by Presi- dent of National Boxing Association New London, Conn., Dec. 7.4?) — A probable solution to the dual box- ing championship system was fore- cast today by Thomas E. Donchue, of New London, president of the Na- tional Boxing association. He said that for the present he would favor a championship elimination contest whereby the holder of the N. B. A. title would meet the New York ath- letic commission’s champion for the world’s title in the respective di- visions. . Donohue’s suggestion will be given a tryout Monday night at Madison Square Garden, when Jim- my Slattery, of Buffalo, the N. B. A. light heavyweight champio! i meet Tommy Loughran, of Philadel- phia, recognized New York title holder for the world’s light heavy- weight title. ; Lomski Recognized The winner of the Slattery- Loughran match is scheduled to meet Leo Lomski, of Aerdeen, Wash., whom both the N. B. A. and New York authorities recognize as the logical ‘light heavyweight con- tender. The N. B. A. also has a plan to clean up the’ flyweight champion- ship title. Ernie Jarvis, the Eng- lish flyweight champion, has been matched to meet French of Toronto, in a 12-round N. B. A. world’s flyweight cham- pionship in Toronto on December 16. The winner of the Jarvis-Belanger scrap will meet Frankic Genaro of New York city. The eventual winner of the N. B. A. flyweight tourney against the winner of the Corporal Izzy Schwartz and Newsbo~ Brown battle for the world’s flyweight crown. The Schwartz-Brown bout is being +sponsored by the New York commission and is_ also scheduled . Sensational ten-round Tommy Milligan in London, they merely giggled and funny things about the British ponents of the manly art. The “Mick” then returned to the) Stance. : riage ar tates and started a tour of the; beaten march, nine victories in @ ingles, handing out the leather| Tow, these two wing men stood out to all who got in there with| head and shoulders above any rivals “Just a little more easy jack| in the south, attracting national at- the mittens or| tention as well. Close to a i before he h: big BaRipadTe Eee Ui das under the| general ability, Shiver foun is bumped crown,” was the way the smart fel-| favor in some all low had it doped. * Tust wait ‘till tions and Nash in others. “Liger’ Hlowers gets another crack the champ,” or words to that ef- ect. ” Mickey Meets McTigue Then it came out W: out. er ‘was for Decembez 16, at Madison Square Garden. OVER NATION Downfall .of Georgia’s Two Great Ends Causes Much Skepticism Atlanta, Georgia, Dec. 7—'?)—It American debate of 1927 cools down. roaring on as_ the selections crop out in one sector after another. There is the case of Shiver and Nash, the Georgia ends, for in- Through the Bulldogs’ un- big American calcula- Then al came the thud of Georgia’s downfall in the mud bat- tle with Georgia Tech, where neith-' er Shiver nor Nash showed to parti- cularly good advantage. The ten- matched with the venerable Mike} dency at once among the assembled McTigue and the boys felt certain] experts was to turn skeptical and their good dope would hold up. “Surely the crafty ancient ge | | kick the | mob. | But the little man surprised and] ¥ regard the pair as somewhat over- rated, in spite of the fact that ‘Toy Bulldog’ all over the| through 90 per cent of the season | enclosure,” was the feeling of the they had ‘played superlatively. _ As a matter of fact, measuring to standard 90 per cent of the motor-! round and Mr. Pandemonium has paced king, with whom he won the| been with us ever since. He fol-| 40, to judge from ,the grind last March when frequenters| lowed this up with a decisive win racing saucer belicved he | over Paul Berlenbach. Thus inside} { af a anpath alias has Sefeatan. two! | former light avywei - ig) wyweight , cham : Also the gang on the corner is} date for his post. now not so sure of Walker's early demise and some even venture pions, say maybe himself two of a rabbit's feat by over tl | Walker Back in 1! Britton, the go m risk months and into he has his first chaeron Mickey is another Be that as it may, it not reasonable that a man can win) designs titles and make at still another on the mere foot in his rear tanding. Joyfully Welcomed 922 after Walker ent Auld Mike out in less than a| ¢ | Fitzsimmons or something, one who | can cope with the bigger fellows j Well as those of his own division, certainly is With the defeat of McTigue and Berlenbach Mickey proved he is from through, i! Latzo and hi late “Ti the contrary n hip from’ Jack| season, wept big tears] whereas is about the best that any all- American ‘candidate can expect is ious selections. Herb his las' ps but Sprague is more brilliant. Perry pla} oungster, 80] out of gamo of the world| boy another triumphs jelanger eee for} P. vil be sent | i errant Billy Evans Says j pene ae t in| © ootball Sco PLAYER DEALS RULE COMES Causes Complaints and Threatens Rupture Dallas, Texas, Dec. ommendations for revision of rules governing player deals and a sug- gestion for reclassification of minor circuits today occupied delegates to the convention of the National Association of Professional Base- ball Leagues here. The recommendations were ad- vanced at the initial session of the convention yesterday by President Mike H. Sexton, who also criticized activities of major leagues. President Sexton found that after seven years of operation, the major- minor agreement caused more or less widespread complaint from both parties. He urged an effort be made to eliminate objectionable fea- tures before an open rupture re- sulted. Recognize Commissioner The agreement pravides that the minor leagues recognize the office of commissioner as created by the major leagues and submit them- selves to his jurisdiction, The agreement also provi for promotion and selection of play: ers, ranging from $1,000 for Class D to $5,000 for Class AA, In his criticism of major league scouting activities, Mr. Sexton de- clared the present indiscriminate and far-reaching signing of young layers had proved a serious hand. icap to the minors. He said he be- lieved the source of supply from colleges and sand lots, would be destroyed until some sort of pro- tective measures were adopted. New Baseball Angle East _to watch the Princeton-Yale game, I had a most interesting chat with a famous track coach, one who has won several intercollegiate championships, in which he gave me a new angle to a very important play in baseball. The track coach’s suggestion had to do with players scoring from third on fly balls that are caught by the outfield. With a ball game all even, the scoring of such a run is often the determining factor in the final result. This play usually makes much trouble for the umpires, since the question is invariably’ raised as to whether or not the runner held his base until the ball was caught. As a rule, the runner on third beats the play a trifle in his effort to score. This puts it up to the umpire’s judgment and the line of demarcation is often wery fine. It is customary in baseball for the runner himself to gauge the play and pick the proper spet for leaving the bag. 7 Make Start Like Sprinter The thought of the track coach on this play is revolutionary, He is of the opinion that the coach at third should do all the thinking on the play, thet the runner should be guided entirely by his judgment. The theory of the track coach is to inject the fundamentals of the sprint race into the play. Instead having the runner start from a distorted position, compell ball, let the entrants in a 100-yard dash. The- runner would assume the crouch position of the sprinter crack of the gun. He no attention whatever awaiting t! would pla: to the course of the ball. The starting of the runner would be entirely upeto the coach. shout to go.would be sprinter. fe My informant insists hase- bee nyorngict ae ereclorking a strategic pla; vital import- ante in tailing to use the sprinter’s start with a runner on third, ee Suggestion Worth Trial to the track eoach, the forms an ideal push- With one foot inst the bag, having assumed the crouch of the sprinter, he would off for the runner. is 6) peed. Plays at'the plate are often de- by inches, a small. fraction runner when to than which a runner is}. often retired in a close play at the ont ecm ceo mn has There is cided of a second. Making the follow a ball and break for home waste: the fraction by more iti veral famous sprinters, - question as oe sof @ am informed it wouldn't more than a week to fa- member of 3 saan cng oe Sy ah 8} of starting sprinters. ‘ Three Title Fights -m New York, Dec. cham) UP FOR TALK) } Major - Minor Agreement |. a schedule} that naturally must handicap his getaway by being to watch the flight of the -aminer, acute indigestion was bee GLEN PRESNELL GAINED 1,46 YARDS ON GRID Nebraska Star, All-American, Out-Granged the Peefless Red-Head a ‘N Lincoln, Neb., Dec. 7.—(?)—-As a ground gainer, Glenn Presnell of the University of Nebraska this season out-Granged the peerless red head in his besv. days. In eight games, Presnell, who also was high scorer of the Missouri Valley conference, ran up « total of 1,446 yards, and the best Goeaee could do in .ny one season was 1,21 yards. That was in 1923 and he also played in eight games. __ Frank Briante, New York Univers- ity fullback, exceeded Pr.snell’s to- tal yardage, but Briante played in ten games. He gained 1,482 yards. Averages give Presnell 181 yards a game with 157% for Grange and 148 fcr Briante. Some of the glory of the Nebras- ka star’s record goes to his running mate, “Blue” Howell, wro was to Presnell what Britton and McEl- wain were to a. He drove the opening wedges for his mate. Presnell only -vent the full four quarters in the Missouri game, when he gained 259 vards, and the Pittsburgh game when he reeled off 162 yards. In two and three-fourths vedas in the battle with Kansas tate he egained 219 yards. FRENCH WRESTLER ARRIVES New York, Dec.’ 7.—(7)—1 Delange, French heavyweight ler, who in the 1924 Olympic games| f became the world champion, arrived aboard the steamship Sufferr yester- day to seek matches in this ¢ antry. Delange became champion wrestler of Frane in 1922 at the Greco-Ro- man, matches. jim take a position as do his theory. It mld ber intereet ting - It wi interes! d to ben bikie taasinaee ty tb ont Four Days Billed 7.—Thres 15-round ae ton cae ‘ia. 8 en phe a 7 to the run-|* ner as the firing of the gun to the xs WEDNESDAY. DECEMBER 7, 1927 uts Agreement [REFERER LIFTS MASTERS Reg. U.S. Pat. Oif. ie GRIFFO'S HAND FOR LAST TIME Famous Featherweight pe An: ‘ other Generation Dies Sud- denly in New York | New York, Dec. 7.—(?)—Alfred Griffith, 55, known to fight fans of 25 years ago as Young Griffo, died suddenly early today in a basement room on the west side, where he had lived for several years. In the ab- sence of a report by the medical ex- lieved the cause of his death, i He came to this country from Australia and first fought as a featherweight, later ‘moving’ up to tlie lightweight class. His mcst noted ring engagements were against Geor, Dixon, Jack Mc- Auliffe and Kid Lavigne. He was known as. one of the cleverest- defensive boxers in the world. He used to wagsr that he could stand upor indkerchief and no one could hit Rim in the face. Another wager he used to win was to bet that no one could knock a cigar out of his mouth. Loses Fortune Fortune turned its back on the once famous fighter in recent years, He earned_a livelihood ling pa- pers and doing’ odd jobs. He ,was often seen in the doorways near the bright: light ‘district recounting glories of bygone years. He had iris = Pi ote tipped. the seales at 5 Mrs. Rose Collins, who had pro- vided him with living quarters for *the last 12 years without charge, about his usual o'clock nocked said that he returned h midnight last night as custom. Shortly before 2 this morning, she said, he k: on the door of the kitchen. When she asked him what was the matter, h 3 “lm choking. I’m sick.” . He collapsed in the hallway and died soon afterwards. Close Friend of Collins Mrs. Collins, the widow of a former saloon keeper, said the fighter was a close friend of her late husband. Their acquaintance, she said, dated from the time Grif- fo, then in the heyday of his fight- ing career entered Collin’s west side saloon, ped @ handkerchief on the floor, stood on it and offered to “buy drinks for the house,” if any- one could a punch on him. Netsout iz years ago, after _her ut years ago, rhe husband had retired, she said, Grif- fo, then in straightened circum- —— came to their home to live. the police went to Griffo’s room to gather his possession, they found that they consisted of only the clothes he had worn the day be- fore. Mrs, Collins said that unless his friends raised a fund to pay his fun- eral he would Sadoubtedly ‘be buried in potters field, as she could not afford to pay the expenses of the 4 funeral. 4 > 1. Mildases alone could \ : \mever account for \cheir success. Buc satizs